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Title: McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden - how they compare academically
Source: Various
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Published: Aug 31, 2008
Author: Various
Post Date: 2008-08-31 00:08:49 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Palin
- Bachelors of Arts in Sports Journalism from Idaho.

McCain
- Bachelors from Naval Academy rank 5th from the bottom of his class of 800.

Biden
- BA University of Delaware in both History and Political Science.
- Juris Doctor (JD) from Syracuse University College of Law.

Obama
- BA in International Relations form Columbia University.
- Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in 1991. (That’s top of his class at arguably the best school in the country/world.) While at Harvard he was also president of the Harvard Law Review.

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#4. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0) (Edited)

Harvard was already going downhill in the 1950s.

These days, grade inflation there makes State Universities look tame in comparison.

The Ivy League is not what it once was and Yale Law blows away Harvard Law any day of the week. Even Stanford Law beats it.

BTW, Magna Cum Laude does not mean "top of the class". That would be maxima cum laude. At Harvard, "Magna Cum Laude" means a 3.3 GPA. Top of the class? Not even close.

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   2:47:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Magna Cum Laude does not mean "top of the class". That would be maxima cum laude. At Harvard, "Magna Cum Laude" means a 3.3 GPA. Top of the class? Not even close.

I made a mistake.

Obama graduated with SUMMA CUM LAUDE at Harvard, not MAGNA.

To recap:

OBAMA: SUMMA CUM LAUDE at HARVARD.

McCain: bottom of class.
Palin: degree in sports journalism with a minor in chocolate chip cookies.

Need we say more?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-31   13:32:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Need we say more?

Affirmative Action.

Also, per Wikipedia:

He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991

Not summa cum laude as you stated. That means a 3.3-3.5 GPA.

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:41:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but affirmative action is applied to admissions and hiring. I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-31   13:48:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#75)

What is really screwed up. Is this election they are going to add 5 percent to Obamas total. Because of Affirmative action. It isn't right. ;)

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31 13:53:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.

Obama did not graduate first in his class. He graduated with honors, but not as Valedictorian, which would indicate he was "first in his class".

Also, honors at Harvard are given only to people who choose the thesis option. Those who choose the non-thesis option can not graduate with honors, but can graduate with a higher GPA.

And yes, Affirmative Action strikes grading because schools and universities want to have a high "minority" graduation rate. That is one of the problems with the education system as it exists currently. I know this all too well from relatives in the Ed Biz.

In Obama's biography on Wikipedia, it says he went to Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years before transferring to Columbia. That says his grades were not good enough to get into Columbia even with Affirmative Action and so he had to work to get them up to where he could get in even with the preference.

Come on, man, your argument doesn't even stack up against the known facts.

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31 13:57:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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