See other (s)Elections Articles
Title: McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden - how they compare academically
Source:
Various
URL Source: [None]
Published: Aug 31, 2008
Author: Various
Post Date: 2008-08-31 00:08:49 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 1800
Comments: 109
Palin McCain Biden Obama
- Bachelors of Arts in Sports Journalism from Idaho.
- Bachelors from Naval Academy rank 5th from the bottom of his class of 800.
- BA University of Delaware in both History and Political Science.
- Juris Doctor (JD) from Syracuse University College of Law.
- BA in International Relations form Columbia University.
- Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in 1991. (That’s top of his class at arguably the best school in the country/world.) While at Harvard he was also president of the Harvard Law Review.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Comments (1-56) not displayed.
.
.
.
#57. To: Old Friend (#34)
You are the one who seems rattled here. You don't even end your above quoted question with a question mark, and are sputtering around the forum trying to justify a crusade for this woman based on a Pro-Life alignment when the head of that ticket is only Pro-Life long enough to try to fool fundies and other crusaders against abortion to vote for him. We see all the death, maiming and refugees pro-life Bush has created with his illegal and immoral wars, and he shows it takes more then the articulated right position during a campaign to actually do something that is genuinely pro-life. As far as panic goes, I don't have that, sorry to dissapoint you. I expect a Democratic win in November, and don't think this desparate gambit by McCain will change that from happening.
I've always thought Reagan was decent, but he pulled in the Devil Himself. Find Charlotte Iserbyt's interviews on Google Video for more details as to what happened with the Department of Education during his tenure. They actually pulled in Soviet educational curriculum as a part of the Reykjavik cultural exchange protocols.
Ok..just wondered.
I like Reagan. He is far better then the choices we have today. Post some of this stuff you talk about and ping me when you get a chance. I will be happy to look at it.
I'll leave it to you to find. Good luck.
Appearences....OK, is this cute little praying mantis praying as the positions of it's upper two arms suggest, or is he or she hunger and looking to use them to rip apart prey? Appearences are deceiving here, and McCain would never chose someone formitably pro-life for his ticket, because then he might be expected to actually act like he is Pro-Choice and not just pandering to religious conservatives whom he generally has always had little ot nothing to do with in his political career.
You just made the case against Obama as a change agent, Mike, and labeled him as an insider. World-class people like William Ayers and Tony Rezko? Those kinds of world-class people? Or do you mean the same "world-class" idiots responsible for the mess we're in right now? Which one is it, because its one or the other. A fisherman knows more about how to fix what ails us than these so-called experts who are the reason we're in a mess and the reason we're not likely to get out of it.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
A decent woman would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."
I caught one of those in my garden the other day. I think it's a gravid female, and I'm keeping her in a jar and feeding her crickets with the hope of getting an egg case and a brood of young mantises in the spring.
I made a mistake. Obama graduated with SUMMA CUM LAUDE at Harvard, not MAGNA. To recap: OBAMA: SUMMA CUM LAUDE at HARVARD. McCain: bottom of class. Need we say more?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Would it help if she had 10 children instead of a measley 5 ???
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
I would rather open a phone book and touch someones name and make them president then Obama. They would be better suited. They don't live the elitist closed off bubble life. That is what we get with Sarah Barracuda.
McCain: bottom of class. Palin: degree in sports journalism with a minor in chocolate chip cookies. Bill Gates ... dropped out !
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
I don't hardly think so. I know that to get elected and to be an effective leader you cannot live or work in a vacuum. I see Barack Obama as an agent of change that inspires the best in people, who cares about them and this country and who will do right by it. I don't see that with McCain, who is more of the same toxic same poising us and destroying this country. If you are claiming it takes living in a cave and talking to no one to be an effective POTUS, it is you who has a cognitive problem here, not me. I am voting for Obama and leaving in five minutes to do some canvassing for him. Have a good one.
McCain posing as the "family values" ticket is a real hoot. Here's a guy who left his wife in a time of need (she was seriously injured and hospitalized) to shack up with a trophy heiress. No wonder he picked a VP with a wholesome- looking family life to wave in people's faces. I want nothing to do with Obummer, who'll no doubt prove to be a darker version of Ted Kennedy when it comes to politics, but BHO seems to be ten times the family man that Mad Dog could hope to be.
Then make that your argument. Saying he is going to use the same world-class idiots who have created the mess we're in now negates the "change agent" argument. As a Northwesterner, you should know the draw of "a mom in tennis shoes" and that new blood is needed. The "world class" people are the same group of twinks who have delivered us unto the wreck we're in currently.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Both are anti-white families.
Affirmative Action. Also, per Wikipedia: He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 Not summa cum laude as you stated. That means a 3.3-3.5 GPA.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but affirmative action is applied to admissions and hiring. I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Love the tagline.
What is really screwed up. Is this election they are going to add 5 percent to Obamas total. Because of Affirmative action. It isn't right. ;)
I believe that this is correct. Obama graduated as MAGNA CUM LAUDE, not SUMMA CUM LAUDE. The source that cites 'SUMMA' is not as credible as several other sources that mention MAGNA. That's not too bad, when compared with Palin's degree in sports commentary and McCain at the very bottom of his class.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Obama did not graduate first in his class. He graduated with honors, but not as Valedictorian, which would indicate he was "first in his class". Also, honors at Harvard are given only to people who choose the thesis option. Those who choose the non-thesis option can not graduate with honors, but can graduate with a higher GPA. And yes, Affirmative Action strikes grading because schools and universities want to have a high "minority" graduation rate. That is one of the problems with the education system as it exists currently. I know this all too well from relatives in the Ed Biz. In Obama's biography on Wikipedia, it says he went to Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years before transferring to Columbia. That says his grades were not good enough to get into Columbia even with Affirmative Action and so he had to work to get them up to where he could get in even with the preference. Come on, man, your argument doesn't even stack up against the known facts.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Better luck to release back in the garden and ask her to stay. In the fall after the leaves have dropped, look for the eggsac. Or you might find it in the spring if you leave some older flower and plant debris for her to hide them. Simply cut the branch with the eggsac a few inches above and below and attach to a shrub where it's warm and shaded at least 1 foot above the ground.
Might I add a more proper version? "An AMERICAN would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."
Thank you for the revision. Agreed.
Ahem... I do charge for editorial work. I did it because I think we agree there is a difference between an American and any person that is part of the system, down to and including the party line voter.
So let's stack up your argument here. Palin got a degree in Sports Journalism, worked as a Sportscaster, and then changed careers. She started in the city council, became mayor, and then became Governor. Sounds like a promotion path to me. Are you claiming that people are not allowed to change careers or something? I don't understand the argument here. Are people supposed to be locked into a job for life? McCain did graduate near the bottom of his class, that is not disputed, and he also got into USNA as a legacy admission. This is also not disputed. I'll throw you another bone. A family member of mine was in the same class at USNA with the Senator's father. I met Admiral McCain and he made quite an impression on me. The son is nothing like the father. Admiral McCain was someone who would blow you out of the water just with his presence. The man had it all together - intelligence, poise, stature, bearing - you name it, he had it. I guess the problem is your issue with Palin who trained for a career she entered and then decided to switch careers. You seem to think that people aren't allowed to change their occupation for some reason. Why is that?
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
No small potatoes.
I'm not an Obama fan, but your argument is ridiculous. He worked his way through. He has the education. Don't make this an issue when there are plenty to choose from. You discredit yourself.
My great-grandfather got a JD from Harvard. He practiced law for all of 90 days, then decided he couldn't lie for a living and became a newspaper editor. I'm not impressed by lawyers. I have too many in my family from Ivy League law schools for that to count for anything. We've also got multiple Harvard MBAs. Whoop-de-doo. Show me some real world accomplishments and then I'll be impressed.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Perhaps McKooK is more like his Grandfather that was relieved of command late in WW2?
No discredit here. Just a statement of facts. Are you claiming that stating facts discredit an argument? Aren't facts the foundation for an argument? He worked his way through. He has an education. That is NOT in dispute. Why make a dispute of something that is not in dispute? What is in dispute is the value of a degree from a particular institution when racial preferences come into play. That is the only thing that is in dispute and has been in dispute since the day preferences came upon the scene.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
What is in dispute is the value of a degree from a particular institution when racial preferences come into play. Then say it straight that the only reason he graduated was that he got in because he is black and he was given the grades because he is black. Then, your argument, although without merit in my eyes, makes your position clear.
We're aligned on that point.
I want nothing to do with Obummer, who'll no doubt prove to be a darker version of Ted Kennedy when it comes to politics, but BHO seems to be ten times the family man that Mad Dog could hope to be. I opted out of the system by expatriating from the "fed" because of insanity just like this ... they're all a bunch of scumbags with less moral fiber than a worm ... the only unknown is Sarah Palin ... kinda like one of those questions regarding What candidate doesn't belong A)McCain B)Obama C)Biden D)PALIN ? I want nothing to do with any of the shit eaters either (and don't) ... but I'm as surprised as most of the REPS and all of the DEMS with this pick for VP because she doesn't appear to belong. The first three names are willing mass murderers, so forget the family values bullshit because it's irrelevant ... but what besides mind control could get a nice wholesome mother of five to hang with this collection of pure scum ?
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
I have no problem with McCain's daddy or with Ms. Palin. Well... I do have a problem with Ms. Palin. She is guilty of allowing McCain to turn her into the 'pony' of his dog and pony show. If she had any principles or deeply-held conservative beliefs she threw it all off the window the moment she became McCain's prop. Now, getting back to the topic of this thread: education-wise, Obama/Biden are showing some serious education credentials. McCain/Palin are not.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
That's the problem with Affirmative Action. We don't know if he got in because he checked "African American" on the box or not. We know that schools and colleges have set goals to graduate "more" minorities, but we don't know if Obama was a recipient of such things or not. Thus, the program taints people so you just don't know if they were qualified or if they got in on a set-aside. A friend of mine who is black has been having to deal with this all of his life; he refuses to take quotas but everyone still views him through the "Oh, he only got in because he is black" lenses. Its a nasty thing and the problem with the program is - you just don't know which is which and what is what. So, its impossible to say one way or another; that's the tainting that Affirmative Action and set-aside programs tar people with, no pun intended.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
So let me ask a question - why is this important? The best IT people I've ever hired came either from no-name Universities or had degrees in liberal arts. The best tech writer I know has a high school diploma, but he has been at it for more than 30 years and can document anything in such a manner that you will know everything you need to about it quickly. The single best systems integrator I know has a GED and "some" college, but not even enough to claim two years. So is education or ability more important? In the tech industry, I've seen people from Harvard who can't think their way out of a wet paper bag that had in the instructions written on the inside. On the reverse, anyone from Brown seems to be top-notch. I've also seen people coming from working on oil derricks who taught themselves networking at night and could rewire your car in a heartbeat, but no college degree. The best IT architect I know got a CS degree from U Idaho in Moscow. He got four promotions in three years, setting a new promotion record (breaking mine of four in four years) in the department. So what's the deal here? Why is it so important? Is education more important than ability? If so, why?
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
John McCain: Conservative or Gun-Grabber? GOA Ratings For John McCain 2000 - C- 2002 - C- 2004 - F- 2006 - F-
You are asking why education and academic performance are important? Hmmm... I don't know. Maybe they aren't but, I believe, we've already established that Palin's advanced degree in photo journalism and McCain's not failing to graduate are way better than a magna cum laude at Harvard. So, education is important.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Comments (98 - 109) not displayed.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"Be truthful Mike. Her pick worries you guys on the left doesn't it."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#58. To: Old Friend (#56)
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
#60. To: buckeye (#58)
#61. To: Old Friend (#60)
#62. To: Old Friend (#56)
"She seems decent."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
He has surrounded himself in his campaign with world-class people; and, I doubt that she has even met a half-dozen world-class people in her lifetime.
#64. To: Ferret Mike, Cynicom, christine, Old Friend (#62)
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
#66. To: mirage (#4)
Magna Cum Laude does not mean "top of the class". That would be maxima cum laude. At Harvard, "Magna Cum Laude" means a 3.3 GPA. Top of the class? Not even close.
Palin: degree in sports journalism with a minor in chocolate chip cookies.
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
McCain would never chose someone formitably pro-life for his ticket,
#68. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66)
#69. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66)
OBAMA: SUMMA CUM LAUDE at HARVARD.
#70. To: mirage (#63)
"You just made the case against Obama as a change agent, Mike..."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#71. To: noone222 (#67)
(Edited)
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
I see Barack Obama as an agent of change that inspires the best in people, who cares about them and this country and who will do right by it.
#73. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#71)
#74. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66)
(Edited)
Need we say more?
#75. To: mirage (#74)
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again." Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#75)
#78. To: mirage (#74)
He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991
#79. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#75)
I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.
#80. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)
I caught one of those in my garden the other day. I think it's a gravid female, and I'm keeping her in a jar and feeding her crickets with the hope of getting an egg case and a brood of young mantises in the spring.
#81. To: buckeye (#64)
A decent woman would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."
#82. To: Cynicom (#81)
#83. To: buckeye (#82)
#84. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#78)
That's not too bad, when compared with Palin's degree in sports commentary and McCain at the very bottom of his class.
#85. To: mirage (#74)
He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) from Harvard in 1991
#86. To: mirage (#79)
so he had to work to get them up to where he could get in even with the preference.
#87. To: angle (#85)
No small potatoes.
#88. To: mirage (#84)
I met Admiral McCain and he made quite an impression on me.
#89. To: angle (#86)
I'm not an Obama fan, but your argument is ridiculous. He worked his way through. He has the education. Don't make this an issue when there are plenty to choose from. You discredit yourself.
#90. To: mirage (#89)
#91. To: mirage (#87)
I'm not impressed by lawyers.
#92. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#71)
(Edited)
McCain posing as the "family values" ticket is a real hoot. Here's a guy who left his wife in a time of need (she was seriously injured and hospitalized) to shack up with a trophy heiress. No wonder he picked a VP with a wholesome- looking family life to wave in people's faces.
#93. To: mirage (#84)
#94. To: angle (#90)
Then say it straight that the only reason he graduated was that he got in because he is black and he was given the grades because he is black.
#95. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#93)
Now, getting back to the topic of this thread: education-wise, Obama/Biden are showing some serious education credentials. McCain/Palin are not.
#96. To: Elliott Jackalope (#3)
#97. To: mirage (#95)
So let me ask a question - why is this important?
.
.
.