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Title: McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden - how they compare academically
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Published: Aug 31, 2008
Author: Various
Post Date: 2008-08-31 00:08:49 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Palin
- Bachelors of Arts in Sports Journalism from Idaho.

McCain
- Bachelors from Naval Academy rank 5th from the bottom of his class of 800.

Biden
- BA University of Delaware in both History and Political Science.
- Juris Doctor (JD) from Syracuse University College of Law.

Obama
- BA in International Relations form Columbia University.
- Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in 1991. (That’s top of his class at arguably the best school in the country/world.) While at Harvard he was also president of the Harvard Law Review.

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Harvard was already going downhill in the 1950s.

These days, grade inflation there makes State Universities look tame in comparison.

The Ivy League is not what it once was and Yale Law blows away Harvard Law any day of the week. Even Stanford Law beats it.

BTW, Magna Cum Laude does not mean "top of the class". That would be maxima cum laude. At Harvard, "Magna Cum Laude" means a 3.3 GPA. Top of the class? Not even close.

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   2:47:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Magna Cum Laude does not mean "top of the class". That would be maxima cum laude. At Harvard, "Magna Cum Laude" means a 3.3 GPA. Top of the class? Not even close.

I made a mistake.

Obama graduated with SUMMA CUM LAUDE at Harvard, not MAGNA.

To recap:

OBAMA: SUMMA CUM LAUDE at HARVARD.

McCain: bottom of class.
Palin: degree in sports journalism with a minor in chocolate chip cookies.

Need we say more?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-31   13:32:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Need we say more?

Affirmative Action.

Also, per Wikipedia:

He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991

Not summa cum laude as you stated. That means a 3.3-3.5 GPA.

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:41:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but affirmative action is applied to admissions and hiring. I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-31   13:48:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.

Obama did not graduate first in his class. He graduated with honors, but not as Valedictorian, which would indicate he was "first in his class".

Also, honors at Harvard are given only to people who choose the thesis option. Those who choose the non-thesis option can not graduate with honors, but can graduate with a higher GPA.

And yes, Affirmative Action strikes grading because schools and universities want to have a high "minority" graduation rate. That is one of the problems with the education system as it exists currently. I know this all too well from relatives in the Ed Biz.

In Obama's biography on Wikipedia, it says he went to Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years before transferring to Columbia. That says his grades were not good enough to get into Columbia even with Affirmative Action and so he had to work to get them up to where he could get in even with the preference.

Come on, man, your argument doesn't even stack up against the known facts.

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:57:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

so he had to work to get them up to where he could get in even with the preference.

I'm not an Obama fan, but your argument is ridiculous. He worked his way through. He has the education. Don't make this an issue when there are plenty to choose from. You discredit yourself.

angle  posted on  2008-08-31   14:06:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not an Obama fan, but your argument is ridiculous. He worked his way through. He has the education. Don't make this an issue when there are plenty to choose from. You discredit yourself.

No discredit here. Just a statement of facts. Are you claiming that stating facts discredit an argument? Aren't facts the foundation for an argument?

He worked his way through. He has an education. That is NOT in dispute.

Why make a dispute of something that is not in dispute?

What is in dispute is the value of a degree from a particular institution when racial preferences come into play. That is the only thing that is in dispute and has been in dispute since the day preferences came upon the scene.

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   14:08:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What is in dispute is the value of a degree from a particular institution when racial preferences come into play.

Then say it straight that the only reason he graduated was that he got in because he is black and he was given the grades because he is black. Then, your argument, although without merit in my eyes, makes your position clear.

angle  posted on  2008-08-31   15:49:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Then say it straight that the only reason he graduated was that he got in because he is black and he was given the grades because he is black.

That's the problem with Affirmative Action.

We don't know if he got in because he checked "African American" on the box or not. We know that schools and colleges have set goals to graduate "more" minorities, but we don't know if Obama was a recipient of such things or not.

Thus, the program taints people so you just don't know if they were qualified or if they got in on a set-aside.

A friend of mine who is black has been having to deal with this all of his life; he refuses to take quotas but everyone still views him through the "Oh, he only got in because he is black" lenses.

Its a nasty thing and the problem with the program is - you just don't know which is which and what is what.

So, its impossible to say one way or another; that's the tainting that Affirmative Action and set-aside programs tar people with, no pun intended.

mirage  posted on  2008-09-01   1:16:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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