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Title: McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden - how they compare academically
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Published: Aug 31, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-08-31 00:08:49 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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- Bachelors of Arts in Sports Journalism from Idaho.
- Bachelors from Naval Academy rank 5th from the bottom of his class of 800.
- BA University of Delaware in both History and Political Science.
- Juris Doctor (JD) from Syracuse University College of Law.
- BA in International Relations form Columbia University.
- Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in 1991. (That’s top of his class at arguably the best school in the country/world.) While at Harvard he was also president of the Harvard Law Review.
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#1. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
If Obama was top of his class at ANY school then it would surprise me. Obviously Harvard is no longer worth going to becasue their top student is a moron.
God is always good!
And Columbia too. I would say that the Sports Journalism chair at the Idaho University is the best that American academia has to offer these days.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Well, now we KNOW that the Democrats have blown it yet again. Americans are total idiots, who can't STAND the idea of voting for some "smart guy" who's "better than they are." Given the choice between a smart, capable person, and some drooling imbecile, Americans will vote for the imbecile every time. Ah well, with any luck McCain will somehow become incapable shortly after being elected, and then Governor Palin will take over. Here's hoping.
- Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in 1991. (That’s top of his class at arguably the best school in the country/world.)
#2. To: RickyJ (#1)
(Edited)
#3. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
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#4. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0) (Edited)
Harvard was already going downhill in the 1950s. These days, grade inflation there makes State Universities look tame in comparison. The Ivy League is not what it once was and Yale Law blows away Harvard Law any day of the week. Even Stanford Law beats it. BTW, Magna Cum Laude does not mean "top of the class". That would be maxima cum laude. At Harvard, "Magna Cum Laude" means a 3.3 GPA. Top of the class? Not even close.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#5. To: mirage (#4)
We are in complete agreement. Like I said, the Idaho scool sports journalism is today's gold standard. How do we know? We can see how thousands of foreigners, Chinese, Indians, are waiting in line to register there.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#6. To: mirage (#4)
Whatever happened to summa cum laude? That used to be the designation of the top student or students.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
Did The Obamas Benefit From Affirmative Action? ...in the ZERO SUM GAME of admissions to Harvard Law Review, not all Harvard Law magna cum laude students are able to attain membership. Being magna cum laude may be a minimal qualification for Harvard Law Review. Not all HLS students, who are magna cum laude, are admitted to Harvard Law Review, because of the limited number of spots available. If one is black, and a magna cum laude, one IS GIVEN A RACIAL PREFERENCE OVER OTHER non-black and non-preferred higher ranked students (whites/Asians) who are even summa cum laude students or other higher ranked magna cum laude students. On the average, these higher ranked summa cum laude white/Asian students at Harvard Law, who were denied admission into Harvard Law Review, were displaced by the lower ranked black magna cum laude Harvard Law students, such as Obama, with the use of racial preferences for admissions into Harvard Law Review, thereby tainting the admissions process into Harvard Law Review for honor Harvard Law students. Admissions into Harvard Law Review and being "qualified" are all relative. For one of any race and ethnicity, being magna cum laude at Harvard Law School may be a minimal qualification for membership into Harvard Law Review. Being black and magna cum at Harvard Law School is WORTH MORE than being non-black and a member of a non-preferred racial group (white/Asian) in the ZERO SUM game of admissions into Harvard Law Review. 2007 Harvard Law Review Membership Selection Policies Excerpts: “In recent years, the number of students completing the competition has ranged from 200 to 255. Between 41 and 43 students are invited to join the Review each year.” "Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores. Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining editors are selected on a discretionary basis. Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review's affirmative action policy." AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION POLICY AND A DISCRETIONARY BASIS ARE USED FOR BLACKS GIVING THEM PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT BASED SOLELY ON SKIN COLOR IN THEIR ADMISSIONS TO HARVARD LAW REVIEW. This means the whole selection process is TAINTED, because selection is based on race with de facto racial quotas. Again, Obama was magna cum laude, but SO WHAT? There are many magna cum laude and summa cum laude whites and Asians, who were more qualified and were denied admissions to Law Review in this ZERO SUM GAME based on race preferences. The ONLY WAY to erase these doubts that the readers/posters have is to ELIMINATE the policy of race preferences in admissions to Harvard Law Review. The selection process is absolutely LUDICROUS!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#8. To: Sam Houston (#6)
That used to be the designation of the top student or students. It still is. My niece graduated summa cum laude from high school and she makes the Dean's list just about every time it comes out in college. Yet, because she is white, she would be at a disadvantage over someone like Obama who got where he is because of idiotic affirmative action policies created by people who are eaten up with guilt over being white.
Whatever happened to summa cum laude?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#8)
Obama may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but at least he is a knife. I consider the Chimperor to be a fork and he has "forked us over" to such an extent we will now be a Third World country. He received his own sort of affirmative action by being the scion of a longtime investment banking/political crime family which had influence with those Ivy League schools. And there's nothing even the sharpest knife can do about it. All any U.S. President can do at this point is end civilization in a global thermonuclear exchange in an attempt to do a "reset" of the global system.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
#10. To: Sam Houston (#9)
Might be interesting if we could see "who" is wielding the dull knife?
Obama may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but at least he is a knife.
#11. To: Sam Houston (#9)
After hearing him trying to make a speech without a script and a teleprompter I think that could be the understatement of the week.
Obama may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#12. To: James Deffenbach (#11)
One would think that whoever sprung this "knife" on us would have found a sharper one. Of course, black knives are rare. Take what you can get.
#13. To: Cynicom (#12)
From the "Believe it or not" category: Is Obama's IQ The Highest Certified Of Any President Ever? Here's another study of all presidents and their IQs: Study from U of Washington reveals IQs from 42 US Presidents
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
#14. To: Sam Houston (#6)
Summa Cum Laude (what I got) is, at Harvard, for people with a 3.5 GPA or above. FWIW, four generations of family have attended or taught at Harvard.
Whatever happened to summa cum laude?
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#15. To: Sam Houston (#13)
I have a good IQ and people here tell me how stupid I am.. So, just perhaps IQ and or education is not really the most prominent factors as prerequisites for President. Wilson was a lifetime academic,college professor, and a total failure as a man and as a President.
IQ
#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#5)
Actually, not. Affirmative Action taints the whole process. We don't know if Obama actually qualified to get into Harvard or not. Also, Affirmative Action works its way into the grading process at Harvard so we also don't know if that had anything to do with his GPA or not. A 3.3 GPA doesn't impress me. Heck, it doesn't even beat ME, so by that standard, Obama isn't brighter than I am. If Obama had real management or executive experience, I'd be impressed. He has none. Zip, zero, nada, none. Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined and therefore is more qualified for President than Obama is, if you want to go down that road. Heck, I'm more qualified than Obama based on a resume' of management and executive experience and I'm a decade younger than he is. USNA is also harder just to get into than Harvard is since each graduating class is only 1000 persons.
We are in complete agreement.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#17. To: mirage (#14)
It's not worth much at all to the GOP base. Even the Chimp, who got an MBA from Harvard, afterwards joined the chorus of GOPers denigrating the "elitist" Ivy League. It makes you wonder why he went to Yale and Harvard to begin with. He must really hate himself. Either that or Poppy made him go. If the latter, it gave him another reason to despise the old man.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
#18. To: Sam Houston (#17)
Ivy League schools do this thing called "legacy admissions" where if you're the child/grandchild of a graduate, they grease the wheels for you to slide in. They do the same thing at Rice University down in Texas and several others. You can also just flat-out buy a seat if you really want one, at least at Harvard. I don't know about Yale. At Chez Mirage, we're allergic to Yalies. They also do some serious Affirmative Action tweaking over there so if you're black, female, or any other "minority", an Ivy League admission can be discounted because the standards are lowered by a VERY significant amount. USNA also does legacy admissions, but you still have to get a Congresscritter to sponsor you.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#19. To: Sam Houston (#13)
BS
G. W. Bush -0.7 0.0 121.4 138.5
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#20. To: Cynicom (#15)
imo, a high EQ is every bit as important to success in life, if not moreso, than a high IQ. Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, and of groups.
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
#21. To: christine (#20)
Agreed here.
#22. To: mirage. everyone (#16)
All the academies are pretty much political appointments where congresscritters get recommendations from the various high schools regarding kids that the teachers believe would continue to be good students and leaders. Since the 'nam was beginning to roll in '65, I took a pass on the academies.
USNA is also harder just to get into than Harvard is since each graduating class is only 1000 persons.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
#23. To: mirage (#16) (Edited)
McCain only got into USNA because his father and grandfather were admirals. Just like Obama only got into Harvard Law school thanks to affirmative action, and Dumbya got into Yale and Harvard business school thanks to his father and grandfather's wealth, power, and connections. None of these guys are exactly great talents who made it in life through merit or personal achievement.
USNA is also harder just to get into than Harvard is since each graduating class is only 1000 persons
#24. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#23)
Did Sarah Palin pull favors to get into an ivy league school? No she is regular folk and that is refreshing.
#25. To: Old Friend (#24)
This choice of McSame speaks loudly of his own selfishness and fundamental frivolousness. You are foolish if you believe that Palin’s “inexperience” and Obama’s “inexperience” are equivalent. Obama is quite obviously an impressive man with extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership. I see nothing in Palin’s record to suggest that she has any such qualities. He is a man who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations about them with other serious, well-informed people; while Palin quite as clearly has done none of those things. He was the president of the Harvard Law Review; she was the point guard on her high school basketball team. He has surrounded himself in his campaign with world-class people; and, I doubt that she has even met a half-dozen world-class people in her lifetime. I am confident that Obama will surround himself with experienced, informed, competent advisors and that he would make no world-destroying blunders. I cannot say the same about Palin and, in view of what this choice reveals about McCain’s character and judgment, I cannot say the same of him either.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#26. To: Old Friend (#24)
This choice says much more about McCain than it does about Palin, What it says about McCain is that he is more interested in politics than policy, more interested in campaigning than governing, tactical when he should be strategic, and reckless when he should be considered. He is as big a gamble as president as Palin is as vice-president. This decision was about gut, about politics, about cynicism, and about vanity. It's just like something Bush would do.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
Obama had a chance to vote for a corruption bill but he passed. Sarah Palin has demonstrated that she will fight corruption in her own party. You seem kind of snobby looking down on her accomplishments. It makes you look anti woman. I'm not saying you are anti woman. I'm just saying your comments would be perceived that way. What has Obama accomplished while in the senate? Zip, nada, nothing. He just goes around the country giving speeches that I must admit are pretty good. He will not end the war in Iraq. He said that he couldn't guarantee that by the end of his first term troops would be gone. I think you are projecting what you want Obama to be on him. Something he is not. We conservatives are also probably doing the same with Sarah. But at least she is gunuine common folk.
I see nothing in Palin’s record to suggest that she has any such qualities.
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
And for political expediency he still comes out in favor of murdering babies in the womb or out of the womb.
He is a man who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations about them with other serious, well-informed people;
#29. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
The choice is similar to Obama's father insisting on calling his tramp mother Sidney.
This choice says much more about McCain than it does about Palin
#30. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
But he knew so little about the constitution that he thinks there is no second amendment. He also believes in the pretend right to murder your children.
He was the president of the Harvard Law Review;
#31. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
Elitist drivel. Obama wouldn't give someone like you the time of day. Sarah is common folk just like you.
He has surrounded himself in his campaign with world-class people; and, I doubt that she has even met a half-dozen world-class people in her lifetime.
#32. To: Old Friend (#30) (Edited)
Palin has said that she thinks the second amendment relates to sportsmen. She even thinks the NRA fights for our second amendment rights.
#33. To: Old Friend (#30)
And he's campaigned in all 57 states...
But he knew so little about the constitution that he thinks there is no second amendment. He also believes in the pretend right to murder your children.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
He is as big a gamble as president as Palin is as vice-president. This decision was about gut, about politics, about cynicism, and about vanity. It's just like something Bush would do. Be truthful Mike. Her pick worries you guys on the left doesn't it. You can see her resonating with the American people. That is why you try to tear her down when you know so little about her. It will backfire. You folks will say she is against abortion (not you in particular but the democratic party). That will make the base happy. Many women who wouldn't have voted for McCain will now vote for him. I think it is checkmate.
This choice says much more about McCain than it does about Palin, What it says about McCain is that he is more interested in politics than policy, more interested in campaigning than governing, tactical when he should be strategic, and reckless when he should be considered.
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
We'll see over time if this selection "has legs." So far, so good.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
#36. To: buckeye (#32)
It does relate to sportsmen. But did she say it isn't to defend yourself against tyrannical government. If you find something like that I would be happy to consider it. The NRA isn't perfect for sure. But they do some good fighting for the second amendment. Not enough but it is better then none.
Palin has said that she thinks the second amendment relates to sportsmen.
#37. To: Old Friend (#36)
The NRA is false opposition. If you don't know that, then it explains how you've fallen for this Christian Zionist.
#38. To: lodwick (#33)
Maybe he thought Indonesia was a state. And that place in Africa that his father was from. That would make 52. I wonder what the other five were.
And he's campaigned in all 57 states...
#39. To: buckeye (#37)
They don't go far enough in some circumstances. I will cede that point to you. Are you in Ohio too. I mean you call yourself buckeye? Just curious.
The NRA is false opposition.
#40. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
Based on the concept of who of the four would best be able to run a government not that I think any of the them could I must say Palin is proberly the most qualified
#41. To: Old Friend (#38)
#42. To: buckeye (#41)
Actually I intend on voting for Baldwin. But I must admit that Palin has given me a pause.
You're doing it again, just like they did in 2000.
#43. To: christine (#20)
Say what?
Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, and of groups.
#44. To: Old Friend (#42)
McCain isn't going to die, and she's only going to bring in more Christian Zionist suckers. That's her job. It's working.
#45. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#23)
True all around and also the point everyone here has been making. Obama is suspect due to Affirmative Action. His total lack of accomplishments compound that. McCain is suspect due to legacy admissions at USNA. That leaves us Palin and Biden when looking at the two major parties. One has been in the Senate for 35 years and is the consummate Washington Insider, the other is a self-described Libertarian, small business owner, mayor, and current sitting Governor as well as being about as far away from DC as one can get. I just wish Palin was on TOP of the Pubbie ticket -or- Ron Paul's running mate. Now THAT would be exciting.
None of these guys are exactly great talents who made it in life through merit or personal achievement.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#46. To: buckeye (#44)
Everyone is going to die.
McCain isn't going to die,
#47. To: buckeye (#44)
That is why she was ripped by the Dems for wearing a Pat Buchanan button in 2000. They even called Pat a Nazi. Yeah she is such a zionist.
#48. To: Old Friend (#47)
More false opposition. She's definitely a Zionist, or else she wouldn't be standing next to McCain blathering about Iran's nuclear program.
#49. To: buckeye (#48)
Zionists aren't the only ones concerned about a nuclear Iran.
McCain blathering about Iran's nuclear program.
#50. To: mirage, christine, buckeye, lodwick (#45)
Months ago when Paul was taking my loot, I tried to get in a word to the top to pick a VP then, not later, one that could orate, and one that was younger. After several attempts, the closest thing to a reply was from some volunteer that said they did not reply to emails..."Please send money"... Money defies gravity and flows upward, dung obeys gravity and you know the rest.
I just wish Palin was on TOP of the Pubbie ticket -or- Ron Paul's running mate. Now THAT would be exciting.
#51. To: buckeye (#48)
So Pat Buchan and her planned this 8 years ago because she knew back at age 36 that 8 years later she would be picked for VP. Its a conspiracy I tell you. A conspiracy and you figured it out. Damn your smart.
More false opposition.
#52. To: buckeye (#48)
So buckeye you have your opinions that is fine. How about sharing one more opinion. Was she a wise pick as far as winning the election goes? Do you think she helped McCain more the Biden helped Obama?
#53. To: buckeye (#48)
Most Christians don't know about Zionism as it is a ideology rather than a religion which in turn explains their support of Israel and the Jewish religion
#54. To: Cynicom (#50)
We're probably at 50% right now, although they say it'll take until 2050. It's all bread and circuses, and has been since 1965.
After several attempts, the closest thing to a reply was from some volunteer that said they did not reply to emails..."Please send money"...
#55. To: Old Friend (#51)
So Pat Buchan and her planned this 8 years ago because she knew back at age 36 that 8 years later she would be picked for VP. Its a conspiracy I tell you. I'm talking about the media playing up her support for Buchanan this week. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. We're being played like violins.
#56. To: buckeye (#55)
I was being a little sarcastic with you. Perhaps we are being played like violins. But I like SP. She seems decent.
I'm talking about the media playing up her support for Buchanan this week. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. We're being played like violins.
#57. To: Old Friend (#34)
You are the one who seems rattled here. You don't even end your above quoted question with a question mark, and are sputtering around the forum trying to justify a crusade for this woman based on a Pro-Life alignment when the head of that ticket is only Pro-Life long enough to try to fool fundies and other crusaders against abortion to vote for him. We see all the death, maiming and refugees pro-life Bush has created with his illegal and immoral wars, and he shows it takes more then the articulated right position during a campaign to actually do something that is genuinely pro-life. As far as panic goes, I don't have that, sorry to dissapoint you. I expect a Democratic win in November, and don't think this desparate gambit by McCain will change that from happening.
"Be truthful Mike. Her pick worries you guys on the left doesn't it."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#58. To: Old Friend (#56)
I've always thought Reagan was decent, but he pulled in the Devil Himself. Find Charlotte Iserbyt's interviews on Google Video for more details as to what happened with the Department of Education during his tenure. They actually pulled in Soviet educational curriculum as a part of the Reykjavik cultural exchange protocols.
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
Ok..just wondered.
#60. To: buckeye (#58)
I like Reagan. He is far better then the choices we have today. Post some of this stuff you talk about and ping me when you get a chance. I will be happy to look at it.
#61. To: Old Friend (#60)
I'll leave it to you to find. Good luck.
#62. To: Old Friend (#56)
Appearences....OK, is this cute little praying mantis praying as the positions of it's upper two arms suggest, or is he or she hunger and looking to use them to rip apart prey? Appearences are deceiving here, and McCain would never chose someone formitably pro-life for his ticket, because then he might be expected to actually act like he is Pro-Choice and not just pandering to religious conservatives whom he generally has always had little ot nothing to do with in his political career.
"She seems decent."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
You just made the case against Obama as a change agent, Mike, and labeled him as an insider. World-class people like William Ayers and Tony Rezko? Those kinds of world-class people? Or do you mean the same "world-class" idiots responsible for the mess we're in right now? Which one is it, because its one or the other. A fisherman knows more about how to fix what ails us than these so-called experts who are the reason we're in a mess and the reason we're not likely to get out of it.
He has surrounded himself in his campaign with world-class people; and, I doubt that she has even met a half-dozen world-class people in her lifetime.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#64. To: Ferret Mike, Cynicom, christine, Old Friend (#62)
A decent woman would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
I caught one of those in my garden the other day. I think it's a gravid female, and I'm keeping her in a jar and feeding her crickets with the hope of getting an egg case and a brood of young mantises in the spring.
#66. To: mirage (#4)
I made a mistake. Obama graduated with SUMMA CUM LAUDE at Harvard, not MAGNA. To recap: OBAMA: SUMMA CUM LAUDE at HARVARD. McCain: bottom of class. Need we say more?
Magna Cum Laude does not mean "top of the class". That would be maxima cum laude. At Harvard, "Magna Cum Laude" means a 3.3 GPA. Top of the class? Not even close.
Palin: degree in sports journalism with a minor in chocolate chip cookies.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#67. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
Would it help if she had 10 children instead of a measley 5 ???
McCain would never chose someone formitably pro-life for his ticket,
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
#68. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66)
I would rather open a phone book and touch someones name and make them president then Obama. They would be better suited. They don't live the elitist closed off bubble life. That is what we get with Sarah Barracuda.
#69. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66)
McCain: bottom of class. Palin: degree in sports journalism with a minor in chocolate chip cookies. Bill Gates ... dropped out !
OBAMA: SUMMA CUM LAUDE at HARVARD.
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
#70. To: mirage (#63)
I don't hardly think so. I know that to get elected and to be an effective leader you cannot live or work in a vacuum. I see Barack Obama as an agent of change that inspires the best in people, who cares about them and this country and who will do right by it. I don't see that with McCain, who is more of the same toxic same poising us and destroying this country. If you are claiming it takes living in a cave and talking to no one to be an effective POTUS, it is you who has a cognitive problem here, not me. I am voting for Obama and leaving in five minutes to do some canvassing for him. Have a good one.
"You just made the case against Obama as a change agent, Mike..."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#71. To: noone222 (#67) (Edited)
McCain posing as the "family values" ticket is a real hoot. Here's a guy who left his wife in a time of need (she was seriously injured and hospitalized) to shack up with a trophy heiress. No wonder he picked a VP with a wholesome- looking family life to wave in people's faces. I want nothing to do with Obummer, who'll no doubt prove to be a darker version of Ted Kennedy when it comes to politics, but BHO seems to be ten times the family man that Mad Dog could hope to be.
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#70)
Then make that your argument. Saying he is going to use the same world-class idiots who have created the mess we're in now negates the "change agent" argument. As a Northwesterner, you should know the draw of "a mom in tennis shoes" and that new blood is needed. The "world class" people are the same group of twinks who have delivered us unto the wreck we're in currently.
I see Barack Obama as an agent of change that inspires the best in people, who cares about them and this country and who will do right by it.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#73. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#71)
Both are anti-white families.
#74. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66) (Edited)
Affirmative Action. Also, per Wikipedia: He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 Not summa cum laude as you stated. That means a 3.3-3.5 GPA.
Need we say more?
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#75. To: mirage (#74)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but affirmative action is applied to admissions and hiring. I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.
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#76. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
Love the tagline.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again." Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#75)
What is really screwed up. Is this election they are going to add 5 percent to Obamas total. Because of Affirmative action. It isn't right. ;)
#78. To: mirage (#74)
I believe that this is correct. Obama graduated as MAGNA CUM LAUDE, not SUMMA CUM LAUDE. The source that cites 'SUMMA' is not as credible as several other sources that mention MAGNA. That's not too bad, when compared with Palin's degree in sports commentary and McCain at the very bottom of his class.
He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991
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#79. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#75)
Obama did not graduate first in his class. He graduated with honors, but not as Valedictorian, which would indicate he was "first in his class". Also, honors at Harvard are given only to people who choose the thesis option. Those who choose the non-thesis option can not graduate with honors, but can graduate with a higher GPA. And yes, Affirmative Action strikes grading because schools and universities want to have a high "minority" graduation rate. That is one of the problems with the education system as it exists currently. I know this all too well from relatives in the Ed Biz. In Obama's biography on Wikipedia, it says he went to Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years before transferring to Columbia. That says his grades were not good enough to get into Columbia even with Affirmative Action and so he had to work to get them up to where he could get in even with the preference. Come on, man, your argument doesn't even stack up against the known facts.
I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#80. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)
Better luck to release back in the garden and ask her to stay. In the fall after the leaves have dropped, look for the eggsac. Or you might find it in the spring if you leave some older flower and plant debris for her to hide them. Simply cut the branch with the eggsac a few inches above and below and attach to a shrub where it's warm and shaded at least 1 foot above the ground.
I caught one of those in my garden the other day. I think it's a gravid female, and I'm keeping her in a jar and feeding her crickets with the hope of getting an egg case and a brood of young mantises in the spring.
#81. To: buckeye (#64)
Might I add a more proper version? "An AMERICAN would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."
A decent woman would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."
#82. To: Cynicom (#81)
Thank you for the revision. Agreed.
#83. To: buckeye (#82)
Ahem... I do charge for editorial work. I did it because I think we agree there is a difference between an American and any person that is part of the system, down to and including the party line voter.
#84. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#78)
So let's stack up your argument here. Palin got a degree in Sports Journalism, worked as a Sportscaster, and then changed careers. She started in the city council, became mayor, and then became Governor. Sounds like a promotion path to me. Are you claiming that people are not allowed to change careers or something? I don't understand the argument here. Are people supposed to be locked into a job for life? McCain did graduate near the bottom of his class, that is not disputed, and he also got into USNA as a legacy admission. This is also not disputed. I'll throw you another bone. A family member of mine was in the same class at USNA with the Senator's father. I met Admiral McCain and he made quite an impression on me. The son is nothing like the father. Admiral McCain was someone who would blow you out of the water just with his presence. The man had it all together - intelligence, poise, stature, bearing - you name it, he had it. I guess the problem is your issue with Palin who trained for a career she entered and then decided to switch careers. You seem to think that people aren't allowed to change their occupation for some reason. Why is that?
That's not too bad, when compared with Palin's degree in sports commentary and McCain at the very bottom of his class.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#85. To: mirage (#74)
No small potatoes.
He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) from Harvard in 1991
#86. To: mirage (#79)
I'm not an Obama fan, but your argument is ridiculous. He worked his way through. He has the education. Don't make this an issue when there are plenty to choose from. You discredit yourself.
so he had to work to get them up to where he could get in even with the preference.
#87. To: angle (#85)
My great-grandfather got a JD from Harvard. He practiced law for all of 90 days, then decided he couldn't lie for a living and became a newspaper editor. I'm not impressed by lawyers. I have too many in my family from Ivy League law schools for that to count for anything. We've also got multiple Harvard MBAs. Whoop-de-doo. Show me some real world accomplishments and then I'll be impressed.
No small potatoes.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#88. To: mirage (#84)
Perhaps McKooK is more like his Grandfather that was relieved of command late in WW2?
I met Admiral McCain and he made quite an impression on me.
#89. To: angle (#86)
No discredit here. Just a statement of facts. Are you claiming that stating facts discredit an argument? Aren't facts the foundation for an argument? He worked his way through. He has an education. That is NOT in dispute. Why make a dispute of something that is not in dispute? What is in dispute is the value of a degree from a particular institution when racial preferences come into play. That is the only thing that is in dispute and has been in dispute since the day preferences came upon the scene.
I'm not an Obama fan, but your argument is ridiculous. He worked his way through. He has the education. Don't make this an issue when there are plenty to choose from. You discredit yourself.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#90. To: mirage (#89)
What is in dispute is the value of a degree from a particular institution when racial preferences come into play. Then say it straight that the only reason he graduated was that he got in because he is black and he was given the grades because he is black. Then, your argument, although without merit in my eyes, makes your position clear.
#91. To: mirage (#87)
We're aligned on that point.
I'm not impressed by lawyers.
#92. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#71) (Edited)
I want nothing to do with Obummer, who'll no doubt prove to be a darker version of Ted Kennedy when it comes to politics, but BHO seems to be ten times the family man that Mad Dog could hope to be. I opted out of the system by expatriating from the "fed" because of insanity just like this ... they're all a bunch of scumbags with less moral fiber than a worm ... the only unknown is Sarah Palin ... kinda like one of those questions regarding What candidate doesn't belong A)McCain B)Obama C)Biden D)PALIN ? I want nothing to do with any of the shit eaters either (and don't) ... but I'm as surprised as most of the REPS and all of the DEMS with this pick for VP because she doesn't appear to belong. The first three names are willing mass murderers, so forget the family values bullshit because it's irrelevant ... but what besides mind control could get a nice wholesome mother of five to hang with this collection of pure scum ?
McCain posing as the "family values" ticket is a real hoot. Here's a guy who left his wife in a time of need (she was seriously injured and hospitalized) to shack up with a trophy heiress. No wonder he picked a VP with a wholesome- looking family life to wave in people's faces.
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
#93. To: mirage (#84)
I have no problem with McCain's daddy or with Ms. Palin. Well... I do have a problem with Ms. Palin. She is guilty of allowing McCain to turn her into the 'pony' of his dog and pony show. If she had any principles or deeply-held conservative beliefs she threw it all off the window the moment she became McCain's prop. Now, getting back to the topic of this thread: education-wise, Obama/Biden are showing some serious education credentials. McCain/Palin are not.
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#94. To: angle (#90)
That's the problem with Affirmative Action. We don't know if he got in because he checked "African American" on the box or not. We know that schools and colleges have set goals to graduate "more" minorities, but we don't know if Obama was a recipient of such things or not. Thus, the program taints people so you just don't know if they were qualified or if they got in on a set-aside. A friend of mine who is black has been having to deal with this all of his life; he refuses to take quotas but everyone still views him through the "Oh, he only got in because he is black" lenses. Its a nasty thing and the problem with the program is - you just don't know which is which and what is what. So, its impossible to say one way or another; that's the tainting that Affirmative Action and set-aside programs tar people with, no pun intended.
Then say it straight that the only reason he graduated was that he got in because he is black and he was given the grades because he is black.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#95. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#93)
So let me ask a question - why is this important? The best IT people I've ever hired came either from no-name Universities or had degrees in liberal arts. The best tech writer I know has a high school diploma, but he has been at it for more than 30 years and can document anything in such a manner that you will know everything you need to about it quickly. The single best systems integrator I know has a GED and "some" college, but not even enough to claim two years. So is education or ability more important? In the tech industry, I've seen people from Harvard who can't think their way out of a wet paper bag that had in the instructions written on the inside. On the reverse, anyone from Brown seems to be top-notch. I've also seen people coming from working on oil derricks who taught themselves networking at night and could rewire your car in a heartbeat, but no college degree. The best IT architect I know got a CS degree from U Idaho in Moscow. He got four promotions in three years, setting a new promotion record (breaking mine of four in four years) in the department. So what's the deal here? Why is it so important? Is education more important than ability? If so, why?
Now, getting back to the topic of this thread: education-wise, Obama/Biden are showing some serious education credentials. McCain/Palin are not.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#96. To: Elliott Jackalope (#3)
John McCain: Conservative or Gun-Grabber? GOA Ratings For John McCain 2000 - C- 2002 - C- 2004 - F- 2006 - F-
#97. To: mirage (#95)
You are asking why education and academic performance are important? Hmmm... I don't know. Maybe they aren't but, I believe, we've already established that Palin's advanced degree in photo journalism and McCain's not failing to graduate are way better than a magna cum laude at Harvard. So, education is important.
So let me ask a question - why is this important?
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#98. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#97)
Now you're heading into an argument my schoolteacher mom uses all the time :) Bear with me, I'm going to just throw facts here and then ask for your reaction. Bill Gates dropped out. Was education important? George W. Bush has a Harvard MBA. How does that education work out for him? Is he a competent manager or not? Now take a high school kid on a 504 (behavior modification) and an IEP with a 40% modification. That means the kid can blow 40% and still get an "A". Also throw into the IEP that the kid gets 8 hours of individual attention per day AND make him Hispanic so he gets more special programs just to get him through the system because the district is under fire for their Hispanic dropout rate. The kid then gets a 4.0 but the diploma doesn't say he had a modified plan. Is that kid any more qualified than Joe Average who got a 3.5 GPA with no help whatsoever? The point is, these days, with Affirmative Action, legacy admissions, graduation rate goals, modifications, and individual education plans (and yes, you can do 'independent study' at a University; friend of mine did that for 75% of her degree) - educational qualifications become less relevant than talent. Now, let's look at the business world where to be a manager in most shops, you not only have to have a BS in "something" but also a PMP Certificate. A PMP Certificate is a "Project Management Professional" certification. I have one of those. You file your resume' saying you've done some number of hours of PM work, read a study guide, take a multiple choice exam, pay your $500, and you get the certificate. So what does the certificate mean? It means you jumped through hoops and crammed for a multiple-choice exam which you passed with 60%. It doesn't mean you really know how to manage a project. It doesn't mean you're any good at managing projects either. So, what good are credentials nowadays other than just to show you can jump through hoops?
So, education is important.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#99. To: mirage (#98)
I agree that applying education on dumbasses such as W or McCain is not as good as applying lipstick on a pig's ass. I understand that Bill Gates and Edison were not well schooled but they are exceptions. I am not suggesting that education is everything but academic achievements could be good indicators of one's intellectual abilities. By no means do they completely measure one's humanity or one's abilities. I just heard on the news that one of Palin's daughters is in high school, 17 and pregnant. What does this tell you about her parenting skills?
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#100. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#99)
Are you saying Obamas mother sucked?
What does this tell you about her parenting skills?
#101. To: Old Friend (#100)
Did any of Obama's sisters get pregnant as a teen? I just don't know. Anyways, Obama's mother is not a public figure and she is completely out of scope as far as this discussion is concerned.
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#102. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#99)
I heard a similar rumor about her latest kid, that her daughter was pregnant for two years and that Palin covered it up. I did some quick math and determined that it was BS unless an evolutionary leap had been made where human females can gestate for two years instead of the usual nine months. As for the teenage pregnancy just announced, with the current laws in place, you can't force a kid to do anything anymore. All you can do is tell them what's going on but you can't actually punish them. Child Protective Services has been called before when a parent has taken a Nintendo away from a kid. So....parenting skills go out the window because the Government gets involved. That's what I think. I also think that because we subsidize teenage pregnancies, provide nurseries in public schools (which is done everywhere BTW) and - in New England not too long ago, a couple hundred girls got into a "pregnancy pact" that the problem is larger than just one family. That's what I think.
I just heard on the news that one of Palin's daughters is in high school, 17 and pregnant. What does this tell you about her parenting skills?
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#103. To: mirage (#102)
Alright, so let's do the summary: - Palin is better educated than Obama This entire discussion could be scripted as some absurd Monty Python sketch and it would make lots of people laugh. Parenthetically speaking, I have kids too but I never heard from the child protection or anyone else. So far, I was able to do my best to prepare them for life and no one interfered. Do you think that Palin was under some child protection watch that prevented her from explaining the facts of life to her daughter.
- She is totally ready to act as the prez of the US [because]
- She has more experience
- She is also a very good mother who educated her daughter wonderfully
- McCain picked the best possible VP because... see above
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#104. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#103)
That I don't know, but I do know that kids tend to buck their parents. Have you noticed that the kids of Preachers or Police tend to be pretty badly behaved or that the kids of psychologists and psychiatrists tend to be screwed up? I don't really understand why but it seems that is the case. As a society, we give approval to teenage pregnancies because we subsidize it and provide them with free daycare so that the teen moms don't have to actually suffer consequences for their actions. To get back to your first point, nobody will disagree that Obama has an education. But does he have talent? Where is the executive experience? Has he ever run a business, been a mayor, been a governor, or ... ? That's the question. A freshly minted PhD has a lot of academic knowledge, but no real-world experience. Do you hire a 28 year old freshly minted PhD for CEO or do you find someone with real management experience? Your line of commentary seems to indicate that academic credentials are all that is needed. If that is the case, then Ben Bernanke will be the finest Fed Chairman of all time, the economy will hum along with no problems, there will never be a banking crisis, and inflation will be nonexistent forever. How's Bernanke working out?
Do you think that Palin was under some child protection watch that prevented her from explaining the facts of life to her daughter.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#105. To: mirage (#104)
I didn't say that academic achievement is everything. It's only one aspect of one's makeup. I do find statements that 'Obama is a moron' or that 'Palin is more qualified to be prez' somewhat absurd.
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#106. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#105)
No offense intended, but Palin does have more real-world executive experience than Obama does. Heck the mayor of Clover SC (population 120) has more executive government experience than Obama does. Let's not kid ourselves; Obama has never been a manager and he has never been an executive of anything. NONE of our candidates currently in the race with the exception of Ralph Nader have any significant executive experience. NONE of them.
I do find statements that 'Obama is a moron' or that 'Palin is more qualified to be prez' somewhat absurd.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#107. To: mirage (#106)
No, she does NOT. She is qualified to run Alaska because she was voted by the people there to be their governor. Maybe you didn't notice, but Obama did run a national campaign (his own) for the past couple of years. He did represent his state in the senate and his neighborhood - larger than Palin's town - in the state assembly. While Palin was busy fishing and neglecting her daughter's education, Obama was defeating Hillary. He DID get some 20 million votes while at it, traveled all over the country, met with hundreds of thousands of Americans. What did Palin do to qualify her for a national level executive job?
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#108. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#107)
Running a political campaign now qualifies one to be President because of the "experience" garnered in it? Okay. Then that means Karl Rove beats Obama. Rove managed two large campaigns and won both times. Should we not put him up instead or launch a write-in campaign because he has more experience than the rest of them combined? Its your argument, not mine. Rove beats Obama in terms of experience by that argument.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#109. To: mirage (#108)
Rove is free to run for office like anyone else. As for executive experience, I don't believe that Rove was the chief executive of W's campaign. It was W or maybe Cheney who was the boss. Obama was the boss of his national campaign. He defeated all the Democrats that were competing for the Demo nomination and, in the process, he got to know the country by interacting with all kinds of people. Palin, as the mayor of an Alaska town and the governor of her state must have a good understanding of her town and her state. I have no doubt that she could beat Obama on a debate focused on shooting wolves from airplanes and she may even beat Obama if they were to debate ANWAR. But she's a lot less prepared to run the executive branch of the US gov't. In a recent interview she asked the interviewer what exactly the US VP was supposed to do. That's how prepared she is.
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