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Title: McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden - how they compare academically
Source: Various
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Published: Aug 31, 2008
Author: Various
Post Date: 2008-08-31 00:08:49 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 1849
Comments: 109

Palin
- Bachelors of Arts in Sports Journalism from Idaho.

McCain
- Bachelors from Naval Academy rank 5th from the bottom of his class of 800.

Biden
- BA University of Delaware in both History and Political Science.
- Juris Doctor (JD) from Syracuse University College of Law.

Obama
- BA in International Relations form Columbia University.
- Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in 1991. (That’s top of his class at arguably the best school in the country/world.) While at Harvard he was also president of the Harvard Law Review.

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#44. To: Old Friend (#42)

McCain isn't going to die, and she's only going to bring in more Christian Zionist suckers. That's her job. It's working.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#23)

None of these guys are exactly great talents who made it in life through merit or personal achievement.

True all around and also the point everyone here has been making.

Obama is suspect due to Affirmative Action. His total lack of accomplishments compound that.

McCain is suspect due to legacy admissions at USNA.

That leaves us Palin and Biden when looking at the two major parties. One has been in the Senate for 35 years and is the consummate Washington Insider, the other is a self-described Libertarian, small business owner, mayor, and current sitting Governor as well as being about as far away from DC as one can get.

I just wish Palin was on TOP of the Pubbie ticket -or- Ron Paul's running mate. Now THAT would be exciting.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeye (#44)

McCain isn't going to die,

Everyone is going to die.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: buckeye (#44)

That is why she was ripped by the Dems for wearing a Pat Buchanan button in 2000. They even called Pat a Nazi. Yeah she is such a zionist.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:03:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Old Friend (#47)

More false opposition. She's definitely a Zionist, or else she wouldn't be standing next to McCain blathering about Iran's nuclear program.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: buckeye (#48)

McCain blathering about Iran's nuclear program.

Zionists aren't the only ones concerned about a nuclear Iran.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mirage, christine, buckeye, lodwick (#45)

I just wish Palin was on TOP of the Pubbie ticket -or- Ron Paul's running mate. Now THAT would be exciting.

Months ago when Paul was taking my loot, I tried to get in a word to the top to pick a VP then, not later, one that could orate, and one that was younger.

After several attempts, the closest thing to a reply was from some volunteer that said they did not reply to emails..."Please send money"...

Money defies gravity and flows upward, dung obeys gravity and you know the rest.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-31   13:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeye (#48)

More false opposition.

So Pat Buchan and her planned this 8 years ago because she knew back at age 36 that 8 years later she would be picked for VP. Its a conspiracy I tell you. A conspiracy and you figured it out. Damn your smart.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeye (#48)

So buckeye you have your opinions that is fine. How about sharing one more opinion.

Was she a wise pick as far as winning the election goes?

Do you think she helped McCain more the Biden helped Obama?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeye (#48)

Most Christians don't know about Zionism as it is a ideology rather than a religion which in turn explains their support of Israel and the Jewish religion

robnoel  posted on  2008-08-31   13:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#50)

After several attempts, the closest thing to a reply was from some volunteer that said they did not reply to emails..."Please send money"...

We're probably at 50% right now, although they say it'll take until 2050. It's all bread and circuses, and has been since 1965.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Old Friend (#51)

So Pat Buchan and her planned this 8 years ago because she knew back at age 36 that 8 years later she would be picked for VP. Its a conspiracy I tell you.

I'm talking about the media playing up her support for Buchanan this week. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. We're being played like violins.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: buckeye (#55)

I'm talking about the media playing up her support for Buchanan this week. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. We're being played like violins.

I was being a little sarcastic with you. Perhaps we are being played like violins. But I like SP. She seems decent.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Old Friend (#34)

"Be truthful Mike. Her pick worries you guys on the left doesn't it."

You are the one who seems rattled here. You don't even end your above quoted question with a question mark, and are sputtering around the forum trying to justify a crusade for this woman based on a Pro-Life alignment when the head of that ticket is only Pro-Life long enough to try to fool fundies and other crusaders against abortion to vote for him.

We see all the death, maiming and refugees pro-life Bush has created with his illegal and immoral wars, and he shows it takes more then the articulated right position during a campaign to actually do something that is genuinely pro-life.

As far as panic goes, I don't have that, sorry to dissapoint you. I expect a Democratic win in November, and don't think this desparate gambit by McCain will change that from happening.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-08-31   13:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Old Friend (#56)

I've always thought Reagan was decent, but he pulled in the Devil Himself. Find Charlotte Iserbyt's interviews on Google Video for more details as to what happened with the Department of Education during his tenure. They actually pulled in Soviet educational curriculum as a part of the Reykjavik cultural exchange protocols.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Ferret Mike (#57)

Ok..just wondered.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: buckeye (#58)

I like Reagan. He is far better then the choices we have today. Post some of this stuff you talk about and ping me when you get a chance. I will be happy to look at it.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Old Friend (#60)

I'll leave it to you to find. Good luck.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Old Friend (#56)

"She seems decent."

Appearences....OK, is this cute little praying mantis praying as the positions of it's upper two arms suggest, or is he or she hunger and looking to use them to rip apart prey?

Appearences are deceiving here, and McCain would never chose someone formitably pro-life for his ticket, because then he might be expected to actually act like he is Pro-Choice and not just pandering to religious conservatives whom he generally has always had little ot nothing to do with in his political career.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-08-31   13:27:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

He has surrounded himself in his campaign with world-class people; and, I doubt that she has even met a half-dozen world-class people in her lifetime.

You just made the case against Obama as a change agent, Mike, and labeled him as an insider.

World-class people like William Ayers and Tony Rezko? Those kinds of world-class people?

Or do you mean the same "world-class" idiots responsible for the mess we're in right now?

Which one is it, because its one or the other.

A fisherman knows more about how to fix what ails us than these so-called experts who are the reason we're in a mess and the reason we're not likely to get out of it.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Ferret Mike, Cynicom, christine, Old Friend (#62)

A decent woman would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Ferret Mike (#62)

I caught one of those in my garden the other day. I think it's a gravid female, and I'm keeping her in a jar and feeding her crickets with the hope of getting an egg case and a brood of young mantises in the spring.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-08-31   13:30:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mirage (#4)

Magna Cum Laude does not mean "top of the class". That would be maxima cum laude. At Harvard, "Magna Cum Laude" means a 3.3 GPA. Top of the class? Not even close.

I made a mistake.

Obama graduated with SUMMA CUM LAUDE at Harvard, not MAGNA.

To recap:

OBAMA: SUMMA CUM LAUDE at HARVARD.

McCain: bottom of class.
Palin: degree in sports journalism with a minor in chocolate chip cookies.

Need we say more?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-31   13:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Ferret Mike (#62)

McCain would never chose someone formitably pro-life for his ticket,

Would it help if she had 10 children instead of a measley 5 ???

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-08-31   13:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66)

I would rather open a phone book and touch someones name and make them president then Obama. They would be better suited. They don't live the elitist closed off bubble life. That is what we get with Sarah Barracuda.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66)

OBAMA: SUMMA CUM LAUDE at HARVARD.

McCain: bottom of class. Palin: degree in sports journalism with a minor in chocolate chip cookies.

Bill Gates ... dropped out !

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-08-31   13:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mirage (#63)

"You just made the case against Obama as a change agent, Mike..."

I don't hardly think so. I know that to get elected and to be an effective leader you cannot live or work in a vacuum. I see Barack Obama as an agent of change that inspires the best in people, who cares about them and this country and who will do right by it.

I don't see that with McCain, who is more of the same toxic same poising us and destroying this country.

If you are claiming it takes living in a cave and talking to no one to be an effective POTUS, it is you who has a cognitive problem here, not me.

I am voting for Obama and leaving in five minutes to do some canvassing for him. Have a good one.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-08-31   13:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: noone222 (#67) (Edited)

McCain posing as the "family values" ticket is a real hoot. Here's a guy who left his wife in a time of need (she was seriously injured and hospitalized) to shack up with a trophy heiress. No wonder he picked a VP with a wholesome- looking family life to wave in people's faces.

I want nothing to do with Obummer, who'll no doubt prove to be a darker version of Ted Kennedy when it comes to politics, but BHO seems to be ten times the family man that Mad Dog could hope to be.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-08-31   13:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Ferret Mike (#70)

I see Barack Obama as an agent of change that inspires the best in people, who cares about them and this country and who will do right by it.

Then make that your argument. Saying he is going to use the same world-class idiots who have created the mess we're in now negates the "change agent" argument.

As a Northwesterner, you should know the draw of "a mom in tennis shoes" and that new blood is needed. The "world class" people are the same group of twinks who have delivered us unto the wreck we're in currently.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#71)

Both are anti-white families.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#66) (Edited)

Need we say more?

Affirmative Action.

Also, per Wikipedia:

He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991

Not summa cum laude as you stated. That means a 3.3-3.5 GPA.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: mirage (#74)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but affirmative action is applied to admissions and hiring. I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-31   13:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Ferret Mike (#62)

"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again." Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Love the tagline.

angle  posted on  2008-08-31   13:52:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#75)

What is really screwed up. Is this election they are going to add 5 percent to Obamas total. Because of Affirmative action. It isn't right. ;)

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mirage (#74)

He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991

I believe that this is correct.

Obama graduated as MAGNA CUM LAUDE, not SUMMA CUM LAUDE. The source that cites 'SUMMA' is not as credible as several other sources that mention MAGNA. That's not too bad, when compared with Palin's degree in sports commentary and McCain at the very bottom of his class.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-31   13:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#75)

I am completely unaware of an affirmative action practice of inflating the grades of 'minorities' for the purpose of helping them graduate as first in their class.

Obama did not graduate first in his class. He graduated with honors, but not as Valedictorian, which would indicate he was "first in his class".

Also, honors at Harvard are given only to people who choose the thesis option. Those who choose the non-thesis option can not graduate with honors, but can graduate with a higher GPA.

And yes, Affirmative Action strikes grading because schools and universities want to have a high "minority" graduation rate. That is one of the problems with the education system as it exists currently. I know this all too well from relatives in the Ed Biz.

In Obama's biography on Wikipedia, it says he went to Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years before transferring to Columbia. That says his grades were not good enough to get into Columbia even with Affirmative Action and so he had to work to get them up to where he could get in even with the preference.

Come on, man, your argument doesn't even stack up against the known facts.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)

I caught one of those in my garden the other day. I think it's a gravid female, and I'm keeping her in a jar and feeding her crickets with the hope of getting an egg case and a brood of young mantises in the spring.

Better luck to release back in the garden and ask her to stay. In the fall after the leaves have dropped, look for the eggsac. Or you might find it in the spring if you leave some older flower and plant debris for her to hide them.

Simply cut the branch with the eggsac a few inches above and below and attach to a shrub where it's warm and shaded at least 1 foot above the ground.

angle  posted on  2008-08-31   13:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: buckeye (#64)

A decent woman would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."

Might I add a more proper version?

"An AMERICAN would have stood on that podium and denounced everything McCain has ever said, and his ties to the Bush administration, and she would have said, "I decline the invitation."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-31   13:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Cynicom (#81)

Thank you for the revision. Agreed.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: buckeye (#82)

Ahem...

I do charge for editorial work.

I did it because I think we agree there is a difference between an American and any person that is part of the system, down to and including the party line voter.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-31   14:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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