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Title: Does God have a name? And if so, what is it?
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Published: Aug 31, 2008
Author: Richard -- various
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Does God have a name? And if so, what is it? Jehovah – The personal name of the only true God. His own self-designation. Jehovah is the Creator and, rightfully, the Sovereign Ruler of the universe. “Jehovah” is translated from the Hebrew Tetragrammaton, which means “He Causes to Become.” Those 4 Hebrew letters are represented in many languages by the letters JHVH or YHWH. Which form of the divine name is correct? JHVH or YHWH? JeHoVaH or YaHWeH? No human alive today can be certain how it was originally pronounced in Hebrew. Why not? Biblical Hebrew was originally written with only consonants, no vowels. When the language was in every day use, readers easily provided the proper vowels. In time, however, the Jews came to have the superstitious idea that it was wrong to say God’s personal name out loud, so they used substitute expressions. Centuries later, Jewish scholars developed a system of points by which to indicate which vowels to use when reading ancient Hebrew, but they put the vowels for the substitute expressions around the four consonants representing the divine name. Thus the original pronunciation of the divine name was lost. Many scholars favor the spelling “Yahweh,” but it is uncertain and there is not agreement among them. On the other hand, “Jehovah” is the form of the name that is most readily recognized, because it has been used in English for centuries and preserves, equally with other forms, the four consonants of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton. NOTE; the letter J is relatively new in the English language, having been brought into general use about 250 years ago. J.B. Rotherham, in The Emphasized Bible, used the form Yahweh throughout the Hebrew Scriptures. However, later in his Studies in the Psalms he used the form “Jehovah.” He explained, “JEHOVAH – The employment of this English form of the Memorial name … in the present version of the Psalter does not arise from any misgiving as to the more correct pronunciation, as being Yahweh; but solely from practical evidence personally selected of the desirability of keeping in touch with the public ear and eye in a matter of this kind, in which the principal thing is the easy recognition of the Divine name intended.” -- (London, 1911), p. 29. (Other scholars have written similar thoughts on His Divine Name and how it should be written and pronounced.) Most names change to some extent when transferred from one language to another. Jesus was born a Jew (Israelite), and his name in Hebrew was perhaps pronounced Ye-shu’a’, but the inspired writers of the Christian Scriptures did not hesitate to use the Greek form of the name, I-e-sous’. In most other languages the pronunciation is slightly different, but we freely use the form that is common in our tongue. The same is true of other Bible names. How, then, can we show proper respect for the One to whom the most important name of all belongs? Would it be by never speaking or writing his name because we do not know exactly how it was originally pronounced? Or, rather, would it be by using the pronunciation and spelling that are common in our language, while speaking well of its Owner and conducting ourselves as his worshipers in a manner that honors him? John 17:26; (Jesus prayed to his Father) “I have made your name known to them and will make it known, it order that the love which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” Mal. 3:16; “Those in fear of Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance began to be written up before him for those in fear of Jehovah and for those thinking upon his name.” Acts 15:14; “Symeon has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.” Isa. 12:4; “Give thanks to Jehovah, you people! Call upon his name. Make known among the peoples his dealings. Make mention that his name is put on high.” See also; Ex. 3:15; Ezek. 38:17, 23; and others. Is Jehovah in the “Old Testament” Jesus Christ in the “New Testament”? (You may note that there is a very good reason that they each have a name, which may have a lot to do with why the name of Jehovah was and is hidden, in order to sow as much confusion as possible.) Matt. 4:10; “Jesus said to him: ‘Go away, Satan! For it is written, “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”’” (Jesus was obviously not saying that he himself was to be worshiped.) John 8:54; “Jesus answered (the Jews): ‘If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God.’” (The Hebrew Scriptures clearly identify Jehovah as the God that the Jews professed to worship. Jesus said, not that he himself was Jehovah, but that Jehovah was his Father. Jesus here mde it very clear that he and his Father were distinct individuals.) Ps. 110:1; “The utterance of Jehovah to my (David’s) Lord is: ‘Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’” (At Matthew 22:41-45, Jesus explained that he himself was David’s “Lord,” referred to in this Psalm. So Jesus is not Jehovah but is the one to whom Jehovah’s words were here directed.) Phil. 2:9-11; “For this very reason also God exalted him (Jesus Christ) to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” (Notice that Jesus Christ is here shown to be different from God the Father and subject to Him.) The Translation of the Bible into English (Specifically, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures) – and quoted from page 6 of that translation. Since the Bible sets forth the sacred will of the Sovereign Lord of the universe, it would be a great indignity, indeed an affront to his majesty and authority, to omit or hide his unique divine name, which plainly occurs in the Hebrew text nearly 7,000 times as ---- YHWH (the Tetragrammaton). Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text. It has been done, using the commonly accepted English form “Jehovah” 6,973 times in the Hebrew Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures. In the New World Translation an effort was made to capture the authority, power, dynamism and directness of the original Hebrew and Greek Scriptures and to convey these characteristics in modern English. This translation is presented in modern English, using current speech forms, and does not use archaic English even in the various prayers and addresses to God. Thus we have not used the now-sanctimonious formal pronouns thou, thy, thine, thee, and ye, with their corresponding verb inflections. Paraphrases of the Scriptures are not offered. Rather, an effort has been made to give as literal a translation as possible where the modern-English idiom allows and where a literal rendition does not, by any awkwardness, hide the thought. In that way the desire of those who are scrupulous for getting an almost word-for-word statement of the original is met. It is realized that even such a seemingly insignificant matter as the use or omission of a comma or of a definite or an indefinite article may at times alter the correct sense of the original passage. Taking liberties with the texts for the mere sake of brevity, and substituting some modern parallel when a literal rendering of the original makes good sense, has been avoided. Uniformity of rendering has been maintained by assigning one meaning to each major word and by holding to that meaning as far as the context permits. At times this has imposed a restriction upon word choice, but it aids in cross-reference work and in comparing related texts. Special care was taken in translating Hebrew and Greek verbs in order to capture the simplicity, warmth, character and forcefulness of the original expressions. An effort was made to preserve the flavor of the ancient Hebrew and Greek times, the people’s way of thinking, reasoning and talking, their social dealings, etc. This has prevented any indulgence in translating as one may think the original speaker or writer should have said it. So, care has been taken not to modernize the verbal renderings to such an extent as to alter their ancient background beyond recognition. This means the reader will encounter many Hebrew and Greek idioms. In many cases the footnotes show the literalness of certain expressions. I have about a dozen different translations of the Bible, from Moffet to the King James Study Bible and others. In addition, I have books describing where the various sources for the translations of the Bible came from, i.e., were found or preserved. It is quite fascinating to compare Scriptures and see the differences in translations. However, one thing has become clear to me, and that is that we, as a people, were not intended to have full access to His Inspired Word until near the end of this worldly system of things. That end draws near, and as it does, more and older/better copies of the Scriptures are being found, and translated. In addition, the new translations, when done in a correct manner (most are not being done correctly), are much clearer in meaning. That is what I have found to be true of this translation; the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. To be frank, it was shocking to me when I first learned that His Holy Name was removed from the Bible, when it occurred more than 7,000 times! I am very pleased to see it restored to its rightful place in Scripture. There is one more thing to be covered. Why was His Holy Name removed from our Bibles? First off, please note that the Roman church considered it to be a sin for an average man to posses or read a Bible, going so far as to put to death those who did so. This was back before there was printing. What is called the Reformation came about because more and more people got access to Bibles, and began to learn directly from the source the Truth about the world and Jehovah. That is a very good indication that it is dangerous for the Roman church when people actually read the Bible! I certainly have found this to be true, even if the only Bible you have is a copy of the King James Bible. Even in that archaic style, there is more than enough information, if you actually read it, to change your life. But why take His Name out, even after Bibles became common in our society? I think that the Roman Church has the best explanation for this; “August 13, 2008; Vatican: “Yahweh” Inappropriate for Liturgical Use http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=60153 The Vatican has ruled that the Name of God, commonly rendered as "Yahweh," should not be pronounced in the Catholic liturgy. The Vatican directive will not require any changes in the language of liturgy, since the Name of God is not spelled out in any authorized translation of the Roman Missal. However some hymns may be deemed inappropriate for liturgical use. The Congregation for Divine Worship, in issuing the new directive, reminds bishops that in the Hebrew tradition, which the early Christians adopted, the faithful avoided pronouncing the Name of God. The Vatican directive explains that "as an expression of the infinite greatness and majesty of God, it was held to be unpronounceable." In place of the Name of God, pious Hebrews used the four-letter tetragammaton YHWH, or substituted the terms "Adonai" or "the Lord." The first Christians continued this practice, the Vatican notes. “ That makes it fairly plain; tradition. More plainly still, JEWISH TRADITIONS. Ummmm. Let me see, who was it that had Jesus Christ put to death? Matthew 15:6-9; … And so you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you, when he said, ‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”
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#2. To: gcruse (#1)
LOL! I have a poodle with the same complex! If you ain't paying attention to her, she WILL make her wishes known!!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I know the name of the God of America: MONEY. Also known as "Dollars". This is the most widely and openly worshipped God in the USA.
But that cat has no doubt that he's God.
#3. To: richard9151 (#0)
God's cousin name
#4. To: richard9151 (#0)
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#5. To: Elliott Jackalope (#4)
Absolutely, also known as Mammon. Which brings up the point.... The man I am studying the Bible with mentioned the Jews and their god, and I bit and asked what he meant. He asked me in turn who I thought they worshipped, and I said I was unsure (of what he was looking for), but it certainly was not Jehovah! Of course not, he said, they worship money. Nuff said.
I know the name of the God of America: MONEY.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#6. To: richard9151 (#0)
When Moses asked God what (his) name was, God answered, "I am that I am." Exodus 3:14 JHVH The letters or the words aren't so important as the meanings originally intended. I figure God was saying he doesn't have a name. This would explain why (some people) say his name can't be mentioned. People are always getting this sorta shit mixed up. Either intentionally or because they're just generally stupid.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#7. To: wudidiz (#6)
I'd go with "Just generally stupid". I think you pretty much nailed that one.
Either intentionally or because they're just generally stupid.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#8. To: Elliott Jackalope (#7)
Thank you. It's kinda mean but... true. I don't think God has a gender either. God is everything. God transcends gender.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#9. To: wudidiz (#8)
God is a male. He made Adam in his image. He is also known as the "father". A father is not a female and not gender neutral.
I don't think God has a gender either. God is everything. God transcends gender.
#10. To: wudidiz, Elliott Jackalope (#8)
Let me perfectly clear about something; Nothing that is repeated more than 7,000 times in the Bible can be called unimportant. He has a name, and the meaning of that name is spelled out in this post, for a reason, just as He has a name for a reason. Just as Jesus has a name, just as you have a name, and just as I have a name. No one can know you who does not know your name.... which is the main reason that the keepers of the Bible, who feast off of ignorance and tithings, removed that name. And, wudidiz, you need to get serious about the Bible. It is plainly explained in the Bible that God is male. Period. End of story. If you do not know Him well enough to understand that, then how do you expect Him to know you?! And if He does not know you, well, I should not have to explain what that means. After all, the Bible is to explain to us what OUR RESPONSIBILITIES are, and it has nothing to do with what we think about God. It is all about what God thinks about us, and, the responsibilities He REQUIRES us to live by.
I figure God was saying he doesn't have a name. This would explain why (some people) say his name can't be mentioned.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#11. To: richard9151 (#0)
Whatever it is, just don't call on him to rain out your political opponent's speech...because it might backfire on you: Evangelicals asked to pray for rain at Barack Obama nomination Stuart Shepard of Focus on the Family, one of America's leading evangelical groups, was shown in a video filmed at Denver's Invesco Field, where 75,000 are expected to cheer Mr Obama on Aug 28, asking Christians to pray for "torrential" rain. "I'm talking 'umbrella-ain't-going-to-help-you rain," the former pastor and television meteorologist said.
Does God have a name? And if so, what is it?
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
#12. To: orangedog (#11)
As if He would pay attention to such non-sense. Something like two football/basketball/baseball teams each standing on their side of the field, and each praying to some god to give them the victory. AS IF!! Course, maybe Mammon is listening. Well, certainly, if the TV is involved, Mammon probably is!
just don't call on him to rain out your political opponent's speech...
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#13. To: Old Friend (#9)
Just because people call God; "Father", doesn't mean that God has a gender.
He is also known as the "father".
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#14. To: richard9151 (#10)
Repeating something 7,000 times doesn't make it important. If you do not know Him well enough to understand that, then how do you expect Him to know you?! God knows me whether I like it or not. I would encourage you to not believe everything you read or are told. Only God knows and God is the ultimate authority. Call it whatever you want it remains the same. God should be our guide, not men.
Nothing that is repeated more than 7,000 times in the Bible can be called unimportant.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#15. To: richard9151 (#12)
I won't presume to say what he would or would not pay attention to, only that if I'm going to do something silly, I wouldn't scream for his attention while doing so.
As if He would pay attention to such non-sense.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
#16. To: richard9151 (#10)
I'd be impressed to read the truth about chemtrails or that 9/11 was an inside job in 'Awake' or the 'Watchtower'. Until then I consider the JWs to be generally good people that have made improvements in their lives and maintain a decent sense of order. Certainly not ultimate authorities. The Bible, though a very excellent book, is still just a book. To concentrate too much on the thing is, I think, missing the point. I apologize if I offended you with the 'stupid' remark earlier. But we're all stupid for the most part. Including myself. Insignificant compared to God's infinite wisdom.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#17. To: wudidiz (#14)
Really? Then what do you make of this? John 17:26; (Jesus prayed to his Father) “I have made your name known to them and will make it known, it order that the love which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” Mal. 3:16; “Those in fear of Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance began to be written up before him for those in fear of Jehovah and for those thinking upon his name.” Acts 15:14; “Symeon has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.” Isa. 12:4; “Give thanks to Jehovah, you people! Call upon his name. Make known among the peoples his dealings. Make mention that his name is put on high.” See also; Ex. 3:15; Ezek. 38:17, 23; and others. Now, if you are going to listen to God, what parts are you going to ignore? Those directly from Jesus? 1Tim. 2:5; For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, Sounds to me that you have some preconceived ideas that take a superior position over what comes from the Bible. I would encourage you to not believe everything you read or are told. Yep, just what I figured; I would encourage you to not believe everything you read Sorry, the only witness to the Bible that I accept is the Bible. Which is why I have about 12 different copies of it. Repeating something 7,000 times doesn't make it important. Simply amazing. There is no other important word in the Bible that is repeated anywhere near as many times, including the name of Jesus. So here is your chance to enlighten me; on what basis, against the words of the Bible, do you claim that His Holy Name is not important? Please, I always ask for correction, as I do not want to give false witness. So fill me in, please. With details, please, exactly as I post.
God should be our guide, not men.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#18. To: wudidiz (#16)
And the point is? Please, fill me in. I apologize if I offended you with the 'stupid' remark earlier. LOL! Not to worry, I been called a lot worse a number of times in the 4um. I'd be impressed to read the truth about chemtrails or that 9/11 was an inside job in 'Awake' or the 'Watchtower' And such things being printed in more locations, esp. to be read by people who do not vote or otherwise participate in the fraud of government, would do what? And, how would that be important for Salvation, which is the main aim of Witnesses for Jehovah?
To concentrate too much on the thing is, I think, missing the point.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#19. To: richard9151 (#17)
Exodus 3:14
...on what basis(
, against the words of the Bible,) do you claim that His Holy Name is not important?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#20. To: orangedog (#15)
LOL! I do like that approach. Stated quite well. Maybe more people should pay attention to such advice. Like, maybe some TV nuts making money off of religion, if you know what I mean.
only that if I'm going to do something silly, I wouldn't scream for his attention while doing so.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#21. To: richard9151 (#18)
And the point is? Please, fill me in. 1 Corinthians 13 I apologize if I offended you with the 'stupid' remark earlier. LOL! Not to worry, I been called a lot worse a number of times in the 4um. I wasn't directing that at you personally anyway. I remember you to be quite intelligent. And such things being printed in more locations, esp. to be read by people who do not vote or otherwise participate in the fraud of government, would do what? And, how would that be important for Salvation, which is the main aim of Witnesses for Jehovah? John 8:32
To concentrate too much on the thing is, I think, missing the point.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#22. To: wudidiz (#19)
...on what basis(, against the words of the Bible,) do you claim that His Holy Name is not important? Exodus 3:14 You can not quote one verse in Scripture without witnesses, from Scripture. For instance, The signigicance of the name of God given in verse 14, I AM THAT I AM, constitutes the idea that the "I AM" in Exodus 3 reveals God as the Being who is absolutely self-existent, and who, in Himself, possesses essential life and permanent existence. Etc. I am not going to transcribe a bunch more info, but the essence of that name, in Hebrew, gives assurance to the Israelites that He will be there for them. There was a specific reason why God stated what He did in Exodus, Chapter 3, but in addition, Jehovah is used in Exodus 3:18. You can go on from there to chapter 4, and 5, and etc. and find that Jehovah is used throughout Exodus. But as long as we are on the subject, let me add a little wood to the fire; Is it important to use God's name? Rom. 10:13; "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved." Ezek. 39:6; "People will have to know that I am Jehovah." To understand that last one, remember what His Name means, as I posted above. What is being said is that people need to not only know His Name, but what it means, that they be grateful for their very existance to Jehovah, who Created them. That is just a couple more examples of Scripture where the reasons for knowing His Name is clearly spelled out.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#23. To: richard9151 (#22)
'I am that I am' is pretty clear to me. Jehovah's Witnesses and the Name Jehovah Just throwin' that out there... Personally, I call God, 'God' or sometimes 'Creator'. In my opinion, it's the meaning that's important. Of course some people disagree. Are French people wrong for calling God, 'Dieu'? I don't think so. You know for yourself owning 12 versions of the Bible, that not all refer to God as Jehovah. So are all the ones that don't wrong? My answer is no.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#24. To: richard9151 (#0) (Edited)
Yes. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa009.html#6 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/3/12.html http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eph/3/15.html http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eph/Eph003.html#14-15 IOW, His name is Jesus Christ. Doubt it? 2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 1Ki 5:3 Thou knowest how that David my father could not build an house unto the name of the LORD his God for the wars which were about him on every side, until the LORD put them under the soles of his feet. 1Ki 8:17 And it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel. 1Ch 22:7 And David said to Solomon, My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build an house unto the name of the LORD my God: 1Ch 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I [will be] his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever. 1Ch 28:3 But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou [hast been] a man of war, and hast shed blood. 2Ch 2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God to dedicate [it] to him, [and] to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This [is an ordinance] for ever to Israel. 2Ch 6:7 Now it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel. 2Ch 6:8 But the LORD said to David my father, Forasmuch as it was in thine heart to build an house for my name, thou didst well in that it was in thine heart: 2Ch 6:9 Notwithstanding thou shalt not build the house; but thy son which shall come forth out of thy loins [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk003.html#4 - 31], he shall build the house for my name. Hbr 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. 1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. What's the name of this house built for God's name? Christian or Jehovahite? Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, Eph 3:14 ¶ For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father [see Isaiah 9:6 www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa009.html#6 ] of our Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, Does God have a name? And if so, what is it?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#25. To: richard9151 (#0)
Matt. 4:10; “Jesus said to him: ‘Go away, Satan! For it is written, “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”’” (Jesus was obviously not saying that he himself was to be worshiped.) Cunningly taken out of context! Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Jesus was obviously saying that one should worship God AND NOT THE DEVIL! JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY Compiled by William Kilgore That Jesus Christ is Himself YHWH (1), God Almighty come in the flesh, is so obviously taught in Scripture that it is baffling to hear some who claim adherence to the Bible deny it. Yet many sects such as the Jehovah's Witnessess, Armstrongism, the Christadelphians, the Way International, etc., etc. not only make this denial but teach their followers that it is Biblical to do so! What follows is a presentation of what Scripture teaches concerning Christ's Deity. The basic text of this article is made up primarily of Scripture passages. The King James Version is basically followed, though some ultra-archaic wording may be updated. I have italicized words necessarily inserted by the KJV translators, just as they did. Clarifications are inserted in parenthesis, and key words are emphasized for the reader using bold type. All Scripture references are in red type. Explanatory remarks are made occasionally, but have been kept to a minimum. Any quotes or sources are contained in the endnotes. THE WORSHIP ISSUE God's Word is explicit in teaching that YHWH alone is to be "worshipped" (Ex. 34:14; Ps. 81:9; 97:7; Matt. 4:10/Luke 4:8; Rev. 19:10). We are given examples in God's Word of people who were rebuked, chastised, or judged for worshipping the creation (Zeph. 1:5; Acts 7:42; Romans 1:25), "gods" (Joshua 24; 2 Kings 17; 1 Cor. 8:5), idols (Lev. 19:4; 26:1; 1 Chr. 16:26; 2 Chron. 34:7; 1 Cor. 10:14; 1 Jn. 5:21), images (Ex. 20:4; Isa. 42:8, 17; 44:15; Jer. 8:19; Rom. 1:23; Rev. 16:2; 19:20), "relics" (2 Kings 18:4), material things (Matt. 16:26; Luke 12:20; Acts 17:29; Col. 3:5), "saints" (Matt. 17:4; Acts 10:25-26), and even angels (Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10). God says, "I am YHWH: that is My Name: and My glory I will not give to another ... For My own sake, even for My own sake, will I do it: for how should My Name be polluted? and I will not give My glory to another." - Isaiah 42:8 and 48:11. With the above in mind, now read the following passages of Scripture concerning none other than Jesus Christ : 1. " ... (the wise men) saw the young child (newborn Jesus) with Mary His mother, and fell down, and worshipped Him (JESUS- not His mother!) ... " MATTHEW 2:11 2. "And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped Him ..." MATTHEW 8:2 3. "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped Him, saying, 'It is true You are the Son of God.'" MATTHEW 14:33 4. "And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, 'All hail.' And they came and held Him by the feet, and worshipped Him." MATTHEW 28:9 5. "And when they saw Him (JESUS), they worshipped Him; but some doubted." MATTHEW 28:17 6. "But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped Him." MARK 5:6 7. "And it came to pass, while He blessed them, He was parted from them, and carried up into heaven, and they worshipped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy ..." LUKE 24:52 8. "And he (a 'sinner') said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshipped Him." JOHN 9:38 9. "And again, when (The Father) brings in the First-begotten into the world, He says, 'And let all the angels of God worship Him (JESUS- Psalm 148:2).'" HEBREWS 1:6 10. "And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, 'Worthy is the Lamb (JESUS) that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard, I saying, 'Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb (JESUS) forever and ever. And the four beasts said, 'Amen.' And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped Him that lives forever and ever." REVELATION 5:12-14 There is no way around this fact of Scripture : Jesus Christ is worshipped. God says that He will not share His glory with "another." Yet those who deny Christ's Deity must insist that He do just this, because if Jesus is worshipped but is not God Himself, then God has given His glory to "another." Next time you speak with one who denies that Jesus is God show them the above words penned by Isaiah the prophet. As he/she reads the passage say : "You've got a serious problem there, friend!" Reader, this is the crux of all debates concerning the Deity of Christ : He is worshipped, and that with His Own approval and the approval of the Father. He is often worshipped by Jews in the above passages - Jews who would never deny their monotheistic faith! How much clearer can it get? If this fact alone were all the proof I had for Christ's Deity, I would be on solid ground........"
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#26. To: wudidiz (#13) (Edited)
Just because people call God; "Father", doesn't mean that God has a gender. Or that he even exists. Seriously why do people so easily tell Zeus is fiction but not God?
#27. To: richard9151 (#0) (Edited)
Since the Bible sets forth the sacred will of the Sovereign Lord of the universe, it would be a great indignity, indeed an affront to his majesty and authority, to omit or hide his unique divine name, which plainly occurs in the Hebrew text nearly 7,000 times as ---- YHWH (the Tetragrammaton). Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text. It has been done, using the commonly accepted English form “Jehovah” 6,973 times in the Hebrew Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures. In the New World Translation an effort was made to capture the authority, power, dynamism and directness of the original Hebrew and Greek Scriptures and to convey these characteristics in modern English. EXAMPLE: "Bible: New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures John 1:1-51 1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God....." www.watchtower.org/bible/joh/chapter_001.htm Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Rev 22:12 ¶ And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star. Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Rev 22:18 ¶ For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book....... 1Cr 16:22 — If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Cr/16/22.html Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
The Translation of the Bible into English (Specifically, New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures) – and quoted from page 6 of that translation.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#28. To: Rhino369 (#26)
God exists. Perhaps sometimes only in one's mind. If God is everything and everything exists, God exists. I believe in God from my own experience as the result of prayer and observation. It is difficult if not impossible to convey the meaning of the experience on this plane. Like telling a blind man what colors look like. Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#29. To: wudidiz (#28)
Bump.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#30. To: Rhino369, All (#28)
The mysteries within the riddles... It's not the words that matter so much as the meaning or the conception.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#31. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#29)
Word.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#32. To: wudidiz (#28)
If god is everything, why make up a new word for everything. Lets just say everything.
God exists. Perhaps sometimes only in one's mind. If God is everything and everything exists, God exists.
#33. To: Rhino369 (#32)
Good point.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#34. To: Rhino369 (#32)
Maybe better to say, God is in everything.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#35. To: wudidiz (#34)
Why do you believe that? Or more importantly why should anyone else believe that.
Maybe better to say, God is in everything.
#36. To: Rhino369 (#35)
There's more than enough good reason to believe it. I'm tired and I'll have to get back to you about that.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#37. To: Rhino369 (#35)
It increase efficiency and promotes harmonious interaction with the universe. Now I'm going to bed.
Why do you believe that? Or more importantly why should anyone else believe that.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#38. To: wudidiz (#23)
Yes. Just as the Catholic News Service reported. The name was removed for tradition. No one has the right to change Scripture. No one. As it says in the Bible, not one dot or tittle is to be changed. Such as do are giving false witness.
So are all the ones that don't wrong?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#39. To: wudidiz (#21)
Love is good, but it is hardly everything as far as we are concerned. It is also a double edged sword as far as Jehovah is concerned, because His Love is perfect. That means that He holds it equally for everyone, and for that reason He will not suffer transgressors for they are dangerous to others. This is why He demands that we know His Holy Name and what it means; He Causes to Become, that we never forget that we owe our very existence to Him. We will shortly be entering into the 1000 year rule of Jesus Christ on earth. During that time, the 144,000 that have been chosen out of all of the inhabitents of the earth will judge with Jesus Christ all those who have been resurrected. Those who do not obey will be cut off. Why? Because Jehovah has given us guide lines (because of His Perfect Love for us), and those who chose to decide what is right and wrong rather than obey, will not be allowed to led others astry. You might want to think about that a bit. John 8:32 is correct, but in what context? How does knowing about chemtrails set you free? Can you change what the wicked ones do? How they act? How they think? The entire world is in the grip of the wicked one, and will be until the Day of Judgment. There is nothing we can do except look out for our own salvation, and the salvation of those who are willing to seek Him. That is what the entire Bible is about; seeking Him that we may atain the promise of eternal life here on this earth under the government of Jehovah as headed by his Son, Jesus Christ. Nothing ... else ... is ... important.
1 Corinthians 13
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#40. To: Old Friend (#9)
Very good answer. Better than mine was! Thank you. (Don't know how I missed this earlier!)
God is a male. He made Adam in his image. He is also known as the "father". A father is not a female and not gender neutral.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
#41. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, *Bible facts* (#25)
I am sorry that you would bear false witness to so many. But such is what we are told is to happen. John 14:28; You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming (back) to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the father is greater than I am. And before anything can be said about this Scripture, I checked the following Bibles, and ALL say the same thing, in basically the same words; Fenton, Moffat, Dake (which is a fully trinitarian Bible), King James, and the Lamsa. I have others if you would wish me to check. This is only natural, as it is the law that Jehovah established; the son is never the equal of the father, for the father creates the son. Here it is called procreation. If Jesus Christ was not created by His Father, He would not be called the Son. In the words of Jesus Christ, the Father is greater than I. What is hard to understand about that? There can be only one Almighty God, or, there are two Gods; not one. Jesus Christ: The only begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by Jehovah alone. This Son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and on earth were created. He is the second-greatest personage in the universe. It is this son whom Jehovah sent to thge earth to give his life as a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way to eternal life for those of Adam's offspring who would exercise faith. This same Son, restored to heavenly glory, now rules as King, with authority to destroy all the wicked and to carry out his Father's original purpose for the earth. The Hebrew form of the name Jesus means "Jehovah is Salvation"; Christ is the equivalent of the Hebrew Ma-shi'ach (Messiah), meaning "Annointed One." To call the created Son of Almighty God by the Title of that same Almighty God is a severe form of blasphemy. Then, we can go to John13:16; A slave is not greater than his master, nor is one that is sent forth greater than the one that sent him. Jesus was clearly sent by his Father to do the will of the Father. John 5:19; ... Jesus went on to say to them; "Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. ... John 5:30; I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me. Now, before we start over about translations, let me say that I checked the same Bibles I listed above to verify this Scriptures, and while the wording is ackward in a couple of them, the meaning is very clear and the same. Now go back to John 13:16; ... nor is one that is sent forth greater than the one that sent him. Then how is Jesus Christ the Almighty God of the Bible? I would suggest that you do some soul searching for the answer. Please.
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
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