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Title: Iraq War Over? We Won?
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URL Source: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/iraq_war_over_we_won/
Published: Sep 1, 2008
Author: James Joyner
Post Date: 2008-09-01 12:38:28 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 273
Comments: 11

Iraq War Over? We Won?

James Joyner

Tuesday, July 15, 2008

Michael Yon says that we’ve won the war in Iraq and all that remains is clean-up.

The war continues to abate in Iraq. Violence is still present, but, of course, Iraq was a relatively violent place long before Coalition forces moved in. I would go so far as to say that barring any major and unexpected developments (like an Israeli air strike on Iran and the retaliations that would follow), a fair-minded person could say with reasonable certainty that the war has ended. A new and better nation is growing legs. What’s left is messy politics that likely will be punctuated by low-level violence and the occasional spectacular attack. Yet, the will of the Iraqi people has changed, and the Iraqi military has dramatically improved, so those spectacular attacks are diminishing along with the regular violence. Now it’s time to rebuild the country, and create a pluralistic, stable and peaceful Iraq. That will be long, hard work. But by my estimation, the Iraq War is over. We won. Which means the Iraqi people won.

Granting that I haven’t been to Iraq in more than seventeen years and am relying on media accounts whereas Yon is a regular in the region, this assessment still strikes me as wildly optimistic. The United States military doesn’t seem to think that we’ve won in Iraq. Nor, so far as I can tell, do the Iraqi people. Or the Iraqi government. Or the people and governments of Iraq’s neighbors. Or the people I encounter in foreign policy think tanks.

Sure enough, though, a quick Google search for “iraq over we won” confirms it.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Several suicide attacks since July.

  1. 25 killed, late August
  2. Five killed, mid to late August
  3. Etc...
Those Nazi Werewolves are fierce.

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But, but, but....we need to win so we can hunt down bin Laden and his band of Magic carpet salesman. Mr. Obama says - repeatedly - they did 9-11 and are very bad people.

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#3. To: Jethro Tull, buckeye (#2)

This victory ranks right up there with Custer's at Little Big Horn.

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#6. To: lodwick (#3)

This victory ranks right up there with Custer's at Little Big Horn.

Lod, I'm sick of our kids coming back in aluminum boxes, aluminum wheel chairs, and in iron respirators. This has got to be stopped. We have every indication of an invasion of Huns on our southern borders, and all they're offering us is a police state where we're the guilty ones, until proven innocent.

I hope something breaks at the Ron Paul rally and a message is delivered to the American people. We desperately need to unite against these killers.

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