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Title: Sarah Palin's Career Ends in Tragedy
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URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/palin-tragegy.html
Published: Sep 2, 2008
Author: Lew Rockwell
Post Date: 2008-09-02 07:39:30 by wudidiz
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Views: 888
Comments: 68

Sarah Palin's Career Ends in Tragedy

by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

The frenzied reaction of the middle class all over the country toward Sarah Palin has no real precedent that I can remember. Indeed, the reaction especially among women is completely understandable. She provides a much welcome cultural break from the chip-on-the-shoulder, grudge-against-the-world model of public women that have been held up to us for years, embodied in the belligerent and insufferable person of Hillary Clinton.

Sarah, on the other hand, is both beautiful and professionally accomplished, a wife and mother and a natural politician, both religious and secular, both feminine and fears no tasks such as hunting that are usually associated with men. She offers a different model of a woman who has excelled not through intimidation and aggressive demands for reparation, but through her own efforts, charms, and intelligence.

What's more, her political outlook has much to recommend it, from what we can gather so far. There is a libertarian impulse here. She has rejected the perks of public life in favor of common sense. She is friendly to business interests but unfriendly to special privileges. She has praised Ron Paul and rejected the party mentality of GOP regulars.

It strikes many people as a brilliant choice on McCain's part, and I would agree. Social conservatives have forgiven all of McCain's deviations. Many people who just last week didn't give a fig about whether he wins or loses have come around completely. She will, of course, be a huge focus of the campaign.

The claim against her that she lacks "experience" is one of the most bogus things out there. For starters, the history of VPs shows a long history of people with very little of what is called "experience" today. And contrary to what media pundits say, what is far more important than experience are the political values you hold.

The demand for experience seems to imply that somehow we are seeking social and global managers for public office, and that is manifestly what we do not want. In a truly liberal society, the job of a White House executive could be held by anyone or no one.

Now, the sad part begins. The first job of anyone who works for the government – and that is the job of the vice president – is to echo the line of the government. People find that to be reasonable. It really comes down to a matter of job loyalty. If you are working for Burger King, you have an obligation not to criticize their hamburgers publicly.

But in government, this job requirement takes on a different cast. When a decent person accepts a job such as vice president, our first instinct is to celebrate that good people are in a position of power and influence. This is what the McCain campaign is counting on. But this is an illusion. The influence runs completely the other way. Good people become part of the party machine and surrender all their principles in order to survive.

We are speaking here of the leviathan state that lives on a lie. To be part of that, you too must become part of the lie. It is perhaps possible to be the governor of a small state such as Alaska and not be part of the machine. It is not possible to be vice president of the United States and not enter into the deeply immoral arena that values the burying of all principle, and saying and doing whatever is necessary to bolster power.

Part of the purpose of campaigns is to socialize the candidates in this mold. Sarah will be slapped around if and when she openly disagrees with McCain's politics. When they win the election, she will immediately be required to take on the role of an apologist for all that the administration does.

In some ways, this is the continuing of a terrible trend of the Bush years. Many good young people from conservative backgrounds, with excellent educations and decent political values, went to work for Bush under the impression that they could make a difference. There was change as a result, but it was not government that changed, but the young people who went to work for it.

There are even cases of former libertarians who have held high government positions and sacrificed all their values in order to hold their jobs. They claim that they haven't abandoned libertarianism but rather seek to apply it in the "real world." But the real world of government is the opposite of libertarianism. It is stealing, lying, killing, butchering, badgering, looting, coercing, and sucking the life out of society itself. That is the essence of modern statecraft.

You either have to come to terms with that or leave. If you stay, you become part of the very problem that you fought to oppose. We saw this not only during the egregious Bush administration but also in the 1980s with Reagan. Many people become educated with sound political values and find themselves attracted to Washington politics. They quickly feel embarrassed about their naïveté and seek to fix themselves up, adopting the approved cynicism that eats away at their soul. They become changed over time, morphing into the very opposite of what they started out, and of what they started out believing.

There are names I could mention here in our time, former libertarians now holding high political appointments in the bowels of the federal bureaucracy. They know who they are. They can pretend superiority that they are "getting their hands dirty" while the rest of us are merely typing away at our keyboards. But in fact, they have become responsible for great evil, the leading one of which is to contribute to the great lie that government is doing good for us.

This, sadly, is the future of Sarah Palin, who may have been doing some good in Alaska. It is even more of a tragedy when people leave the private sector where they are serving the public in productive ways, only to become part of the machinery of stealing, lying, and killing.

There is something about Sarah I really like, especially that she seems to have had some sympathy for an Alaskan secession movement, which, contrary to media hysteria, is a perfectly reasonable and liberal position to take. But you can be sure that if she plans to be a successful vice president under a McCain administration, all of this will be swept under the carpet and her primary accomplishment in life will have been to dupe many people into supporting an administration that promises to be the worst thing that has happened to this country since Bush was sworn in.

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#29. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#28)

Man" McCain dumped his wife in her time of need to shack up with a young, rich heiress.

That was bad on McCains part. Is his wife still alive?

But what if he did it because she cheated on him and he found out?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-02   12:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#28)

McCain blows farm animals, so I'll limit my comments to Palin's daughter. Shit happens, regardless of upbringing. Want some stats on young girls knocked up? Take a trip to any HS in an inner city. A large % of the female students are knocked up, and the kids dad doesn't step up like this kid did. They let government raise the child. It's no accident the the politics of every inner city government I know of is D (socialist).

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-02   12:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#23) (Edited)

What a crock of shit this entire issue is.

Amen.

Slamming her for her daughter's pregnancy seems a new low. Of course, in many aspects Palin epitomises the feminist "the view" ideal of pulling off a high octane career and family.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-02   13:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Old Friend (#11)

Obama is a marxist that has hung out with commies his whole life. He is a collectivist and about 1000 times worse then McCain.

LOL - and you were claiming that it was poor me who persuaded you to love McCain?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-02   13:28:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

Although her support of the insane, cowardly and ecologically destructive practice of killing wolves makes her a top of the list political foe of mine.

It's easy to criticize predator population control techniques when you live in already conquered former wilderness.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2008-09-02   13:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#21)

Shooting wolves from a helicopter is unsportsmanlike and I oppose it, but having a hunting season for wolves in Alaska is perfectly legitimate. Wolves are anything but rare in parts of Alaska, and predator populations need to be held in check like anything else.

Animal population control is strictly utilitarian. Why should sportsmanship factor into the chosen method? Should dogcatchers use their bare hands?

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2008-09-02   13:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SmokinOPs (#34)

It's for the same reason that they don't let hunters shoot deer from helicopters. Among other things, deer hunting does provide good population control, but there are still reasonable rules about how it should be done.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-02   13:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lodwick (#29)

But what if he did it because she cheated on him and he found out?

Lodwick, here's a friend for you in the rationalize-everything-away department.

angle  posted on  2008-09-02   13:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Old Friend (#29) (Edited)

But what if he did it because she cheated on him and he found out?

Is there any evidence for this, or do you just grasp at any straw to make McCain look better than he is?

I don't know if Mad Dog's ex-wife is still alive at this time, but she did survive the accident that put her in the hospital. Without any help from the great protector of family values.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-02   13:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Rupert_Pupkin, smokinops (#35) (Edited)

Animal population control is strictly utilitarian. Why should sportsmanship factor into the chosen method? Should dogcatchers use their bare hands?

It's for the same reason that they don't let hunters shoot deer from helicopters.

I beg to differ. While any species may be definable as an animal by its own ability to be controlled (a finite being), the method of control is dictated by the constraints of that creature's implied economic value (the deer over the wolf), which requires that the methods used in its control can not be utilized in mass roundups.

Smoke: 1 Deer: welcome to round 2

Rupert: 0 Wolves: goodbye; you're the weakest link

KinkoTheKlown  posted on  2008-09-02   13:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: KinkoTheKlown (#38)

Smoke: 1 Deer

Rupert: 0 Wolves

Certainly might be the case if McCain's the successor to the puppet box.

angle  posted on  2008-09-02   13:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rupert_Pupkin, Old Friend, all (#37)

I don't know if Mad Dog's ex-wife is still alive at this time, but she did survive the accident that put her in the hospital. Without any help from the great protector of family values.

There was an article, a while back, about Mrs.McCain 1, which said that McCain had and is supporting her financially and that she had nothing bad to say about him.

She really didn't want to talk about her/their marriage and its ending.

It was a sad interview.

A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-02   14:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#35)

It's for the same reason that they don't let hunters shoot deer from helicopters.

If the argument is for population control they should. It's as stupid not to as it is for the USFWS to sound the alarm every year about how the Canadian goose population boom is destroying their tundra breeding grounds yet still requiring three shot plugs.

Among other things, deer hunting does provide good population control

Hunting is dying as a sport and populations are exploding in semi-rural areas with many municipalities hiring sharpshooters to kill almost tame deer in city parks and golfcourses. Not very sporting but necessary.

Nowhere in the lower 48 can one travel more than 30 miles and not come across a manmade road. That's not the case in Canada or Alaska. The capital of Alaska doesn't even have a road to it.

Now how many guys do you think are going to sign up and trudge miles and miles on foot through swamps and spruce into -20F temperatures to thin out an extremely elusive predator? The wolves in the lower 48 were taken out by people who happened across them while puruing material wealth: French fur traders, lumberjacks, farmers and ranchers. I suppose the state of Alaska could pay hundreds of guys to fan out for wolves, but I imagine it's much cheaper to pay a couple of guys with a few hours of helicopter time to do the same thing.

How many is one guy going to be able to take out on a backpack expedition in two weeks? One if he's lucky.

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SmokinOPs  posted on  2008-09-02   14:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

Separatism, an idea whose time has come.

Yes siree Bob !!!

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-02   14:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: lodwick (#40)

It was a sad interview.

It's a sad story featuring a sad S.O.B..

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-02   16:17:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#15)

barking the McCain/neocon foreign policy line overnight.

Huh?

When Palin started talking about the "Iranian threat" during her acceptance speech, that was enough for me to write her off as either a moron or a GOP tool in prettier packaging.

I couldn't agree more.

I didn't hear much of her speech and was reacting to what I was reading of her bio.

I am not an isolationist but I am fervently non-interventionist, especially when it's unilateral.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-02   16:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Pinguinite (#10)

If she were at the top it would be worth looking at her credentials. As it is, it doesn't matter what she is. Rockwell nails it good.

Gotta admit, though, she's close to the top. This is a decent piece but Rockwell seems to have become an Obama apologist lately...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-09-02   17:07:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

Don't you just love the hypocrites who criticize the parents for the actions of the kids. I did kids in trouble as a living, and many came from the very best, most caring families.

I'm sure I would have welcomed your intervention during the long hell (almost 20 years) of my youngest daughter's crack/alcohol addiction, JT.

She was led into it and back into it by one of lowest, most essentially evil young men I have ever encountered. She was/is a pretty child, but "slow" as we used to say. He was however lily white in one respect, his skin color. He came from a good family, but one which fell on bad times when his father died and left his mother with five young children. The other kids turned out pretty decent, but lover boy, the oldest child found himself without a father when he probably most needed one and sped on his way to hell in a handcar. He lives to this day, unemployed, sponging off of his ailing mother.

Amongst the many prayers I lofted for her over the years was that she meet a good young man and finally find release from this monstrous Svengali. That prayer was without specification as to skin color white, brown, black or polka-dot .... good was the operative adjective.

She has finally found a bit of pitiful respite. She now lives in small town west of here with another white piece of shit. They live in his parent's old house where he sits collecting phony disability checks and swigging beer. She's employed, as she was during most of her trip through hell. Drinking beer with him? Almost assuredly I would say (which leaves her on the precipice for a another plunge into crack perdition).

So that "good man" prayer, while perhaps having been answered in a heartbreaking lowly way, trudges on.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-02   17:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#28)

But a scumbag like McCain has no business talking about morality or family values.

Much less running for President. But then we've had some dandies lately.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-02   17:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#37)

Is there any evidence for this, or do you just grasp at any straw to make McCain look better than he is?

I'm just saying I or you don't know all the details of why they got divorced.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-02   17:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: angle (#14)

I'm seriously concerned with her association with the Assembly of God.

Why...something hypocritical and extremist about the fundies?

Well, yeah, along with mean spirited, narrow minded, judgmental and all around goofy.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-02   17:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: iconoclast (#46)

Ico, I'm truly sorry for your personal problems. It's similar stories that prompted me to defend Palin, a woman I consider woefully under qualified for the position McCain offered her. She isn't there for her statesmanship, achievements or potential. She wears a skirt and will be a hard target for the bare knuckle style of Joe Biden. She's a willing pawn in a very dirty game. But to see her vilified for a mistake her daughter made is low rent. As a parent who nearly lost his son to a nasty gambling habit, I have complete empathy for you. Despite the very best of opportunities, our kids can, and do, take wrong turns. To blame me, you, or Gov. Palin for their decisions is the type of low reserved strictly for American politics.

Peace.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-02   18:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

under qualified for the position McCain offered her.

What are the qualifications. She has held elective office. I bet she represented more people then some of the founding fathers. Would they not be qualified?

Here is what I think the qualifications are. If you are truly honest. And truly want what is the best for your people. If you know right from wrong and usually choose right. And if you have intelligence to lead. I think those are some of the basic things we need. Not this person served on that board or that position. Or spent 30 years in the senate. I think someone like her has the potential to surprise us if she were ever to achieve the office of President of the United States.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-02   18:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Old Friend (#51)

The world is chock full of people like Mr. Putin who mean us harm. Gov. Palin might be marvelous in a social setting, teas and such, but Putin & company would rip her heart out and eat it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-02   18:48:51 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull (#52)

What do you base that on?

The world is chock full of people like Mr. Putin who mean us harm. Gov. Palin might be marvelous in a social setting, teas and such, but Putin & company would rip her heart out and eat it.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-02   19:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

Healthy ecosystems need predators to actually be ecosystems.

They do. Humans.

Or -- if you're in San Jose', the wild boars which also eat humans. Care to go down there some year with me and pick one up? A thousand pounds of pork. Bring a 308 (minimum) AND a sidearm.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-02   23:16:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

What a crock of shit this entire issue is.

Agreed. Just shows that some Democrats need to push their abortion thing to the next level - the Retroactive Abortion and perform it on themselves.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-02   23:19:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Old Friend (#51)

Everybody cries that "They're all alike!!!" i.e. from Washington, D.C.

McCain picks someone, an independent female governor from Alaska, and everybody complains "She isn't from D.C.!!!!". Well, make up your minds, America.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-02   23:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: X-15 (#56)

McCain picks someone, an independent female governor from Alaska, and everybody complains "She isn't from D.C.!!!!". Well, make up your minds, America.

Good point gun girl.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-02   23:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: X-15 (#56)

I'm a male chauvinist pig. I didn't think I would ever support a woman for vice president or president. So far I like Saracuda.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-02   23:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Old Friend (#24)

I followed thee given reasons for this last wolf kill and it was bogus and hurts Caribou herds more then it helped. And it did nothing to enhance hunting and the revenue from it.

You don't have to take my word for it, But I Go to environmental advocacy offices locally and this is one of my specialties.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-03   0:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mirage (#54)

Humans take the best, leave the rest. A good predator culls out the weak and sick.

No, you are wrong. And just because we are so arrogant and violent a species that doesn't excuse us not suffering any competitors.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-03   0:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: angle (#26)

"Ain't very likely an Obama supporter's gonna switch to a McCain supporter, especially a "supporter" whose's a fundamentalist christian. There are many different kinds of christians. In my view, fundamentalists as a group are the least Christ like."

Actually, I was appalled to see Mormons included in the latest propaganda claiming Christianity is the world's largest faith.

When you have to include cults who felt Jesus and Satan were brothers who had a falling out, and that God was once like a man before becoming God, and that Mormons who do as they should can become gods too, you lose credibility.

I also know that Christianity, like other large faiths got that way with a high level of forced conversions and by slaying people who refused to join.

Christianity is a major religion and I give it due respect as I do Islam and other large faiths, but I am in no way impressed nor inspired by it.

I am just concerned with tolerating it, especially when the dumb ones in the flock bother me to join up.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-03   0:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Ferret Mike (#60)

And just because we are so arrogant and violent a species that doesn't excuse us not suffering any competitors.

You've obviously never been boar hunting.

I can introduce you to a Milpitas cop who has a scar on his leg that starts at the ankle and goes up past his waist. He bounced a round off the skull of a boar and it got him. He barely made it up a tree before the piggy had Cop for lunch.

These guys are a thousand pounds of pork with 8-12 inch tusks and an attitude that won't quit.

Come, let me introduce you to a piggy.

You can come armed with only a 35mm if you choose. Just make sure your medical insurance is paid up.

Are you so sure we have no competition and we're arrogant? When is the last time someone went swimming with sharks and annoying them without a cage and didn't end up as lunch?

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   2:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ferret Mike (#59)

I followed thee given reasons for this last wolf kill and it was bogus and hurts Caribou herds more then it helped. And it did nothing to enhance hunting and the revenue from it.

You don't have to take my word for it, But I Go to environmental advocacy offices locally and this is one of my specialties.

Killing wolves from a plane does sound kind of cruel. I'm just saying theoretically if they were over populated and were going to be killed it doesn't matter how they do it the results are the same. But I get your point that it does look kind of bad PR wise. I don't know if it was effective or how over populated they were. If they stopped killing wolves from airplanes it wouldn't bother me. It is a choice for the people of Alaska to make. They are on the ground and it effects them.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-03   7:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mirage (#54)

>>Healthy ecosystems need predators to actually be ecosystems. <<

They do. Humans.

That mindest is the difference between the neocons and the rest of the world.

angle  posted on  2008-09-03   7:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mirage (#62)

They refuse to get rid of boars on Hawaii because of the pressure from hunters.

They are an exotic there, and destroy much vegetation and cause erosion. The cost from predators should be factored into the cost of ranching, and yes, I feel that it is a small price to pay to be more vigilant when in the woods to have predators around.

As far as wanting to hunt pigs, I bow hunt and go after elk and deer. I do that because I like it, and because we have gutted the populationj of nessesary preditors, it is a useful role to play. If I ever get the itch to takee out preditors, I sure will do it. But only if it involves the world's most deadliest species of preditator. But only specific ones, mind you.

Sharks have been badly over fished, often for small parts of their bodies the Chinese want because they allegedly enhance certain body functions.

We are far more fearsome a predator then sharks on the whole.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-03   11:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull (#52)

The world is chock full of people like Mr. Putin who mean us harm

Our politicians are a greater threat to us than Putin, Ahmedinijad, or anyone else. There's nothing Putin can do to bankrupt our country. There is plenty that Bush has done to get the process going, and plenty more that McCain or Obama can do to continue with it.

Trying to scare people with big bad foreign dictators is just a diversion.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-03   11:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Ferret Mike, angle (#61)

When you have to include cults who felt Jesus and Satan were brothers who had a falling out, and that God was once like a man before becoming God, and that Mormons who do as they should can become gods too, you lose credibility.

Not to mention believing that Jesus will be reborn in Independence Missouri, and that American Indians are one of the lost tribes of Israel.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-03   11:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Ferret Mike (#65)

The cost from predators should be factored into the cost of ranching, and yes, I feel that it is a small price to pay to be more vigilant when in the woods to have predators around.

Okay, makes sense.

Now, how do you pay for it? This proposal strips private property rights. What compensation should be offered and who pays for it?

Also, how do you deal with a dangerous predator like a cougar who carries off a baby? Do we just set up a fund and say "Sorry, mom, the cougar is worth more than your kid. Your family can die but we'll cut checks." ??

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   19:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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