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Title: Live thread - The Sarah Palin Presentation. Plus, the question of the day
Source: Media
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Published: Sep 3, 2008
Author: Media
Post Date: 2008-09-03 20:21:55 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Comments: 126

Question of the day

Let's say, you consider yourself a righteous, red-blooded, patriotic American and let's assume that you are so. In fact, the word of your righteousness spread and McCain invites you to join him as his running mate. Knowing exactly what that meant: throwing away all your principles and turning into a McCain surrogate, defending McCain views that you used to oppose, having to read speeches written by McCain speech writers, etc., etc.

Would you accept McCain's invitation?

I assume that the answer is 'no' because no righteous, red-blooded, patriotic American would agree to help McCain gain access to the nuclear buttons, among other things.

Now, here's the question: what do you think of Sarah's enthusiastic embrace of McCain? Place it within the context of your rejection of such an offer.

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#66. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

LOL - CNN just took a shot form behind her, showing the speech rolling on the teleprompter.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-03   22:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeye (#60)

Something tells me the 19 year-old has never heard of the Likud or the "Clean Break" paper.

Give him a few years.

The one good thing about him going is that, assuming McCain is elected, there will be a "White House son" at war.

Isn't that what we've been saying? Send the politicians' kids?

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   22:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mirage (#67)

I believe that Biden's son is on his way. to Iraq as well.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-03   22:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: robnoel (#63)

Yes America has become what it has always despised

I'm turning off the speech. I can't take any more.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-03   22:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#68)

I believe that Biden's son is on his way. to Iraq as well.

Good! Now, where is Obama's contribution? We'll wait, but one is expected.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   22:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeye (#69) (Edited)

She speaks with clenched teeth. She's not a good person. I can see the Hillary in her.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-03   22:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: mirage (#70)

What are you talking about? Just because Bush is sending good Americans to a senseless war it means that everyone should stampede in that direction? I promise you, none of my sons will go to no stupid war if I can help it.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-03   22:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#71)

For me it's the duplicitous content. These people actually believe that Israelifying our domestic security system is pro-liberty.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-03   23:00:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: buckeye (#73)

I don't know... she's showing the bitch in her. Most people don't appreciate bitches. Except for Hillary's supporters but those are left-wing bitches and she's supposed to be a bitch on the right.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-03   23:02:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#72)

What are you talking about?

I'm talking about something you don't understand.

Freedom.

If someone WANTS to join the military, who the hell are you to get in their way and tell them how to run their life?

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   23:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: mirage (#75) (Edited)

Sorry, friend. I have no problem with anyone joining some mercenary force. As for our military, it would be good if it was actually defending (do you understand 'defending') our country. In fact, I would encourage my kids to volunteer for service if our military was defending us from invaders.

And, I believe, you were rhetorically asking about Obama's contribution to Bush's stupid war. It seems to me that it's you who seems to believe that everyone should stampede like a heard of stupid cows, wherever Bush tells them to stampede. That's not exactly FREEDOM (you capped it first).

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-03   23:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#74)

There's a division in the mind of Americans. Most on the Obama left and the McCain right know that the jig is up and the system has to be rebuilt again for freedom. Political machinery knows this very well, and so they send out messages of shrill criticism in the speeches their Marionettes give. So the people want that teeth-clenching and indignation. They want to believe their liberation is at hand. They want a "fighter." Gullible.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-03   23:06:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#76)

Sorry, friend. I have no problem with anyone joining some mercenary force.

Well, you certainly raised an objection to that kind of freedom.

Are you OK tonite?

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   23:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: robnoel (#52)

I'm sending my 19 year old son to kill but I want you to know I'm pro-life ....jeez!

If you can not tell the difference between a Child and an Enemy, please don't reply to me.. I come from a Military Family, and I have no time for those, who can not, nor will not understand the differences..

Refinersfire  posted on  2008-09-03   23:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

Dunno. But my wife is watching her this very minute and loves her. Hmph.

Anyway, I can't vote for Palin, because she's not racist.

"If you thought genocide was left behind in the 20th century, be apprised that today genocide [of whites] has a home in the educational system." -- Paul Craig Roberts, Harvard Hates the White Race?

Tauzero  posted on  2008-09-03   23:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: mirage (#78)

I did? I only noted that the Bush's war are stupid and, I am adding now, wasteful of life and resources.

I believe it was you objecting the fact that Obama wasn't 'contributing' to Bush's war.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-03   23:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Refinersfire (#79)

If you can not tell the difference between a Child and an Enemy, please don't reply to me.

Your enemy is in Tel Aviv, not Iraq.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-03   23:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

I missed the part where she called for border security....oh, wait, she didn't mention it.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-03   23:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: buckeye (#82)

Your enemy is in Tel Aviv, not Iraq.

My enemy is in the dark part of any man/woman's heart.. no matter where they live..

Refinersfire  posted on  2008-09-03   23:14:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Refinersfire (#84)

Check the hearts of the people whose families we've destroyed in Iraq, and see how they feel. Of course we were following the Clean Break strategy, for Tel Aviv.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-03   23:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#81)

I believe it was you objecting the fact that Obama wasn't 'contributing' to Bush's war.

First off, its not Bush's war alone. Congress has to fund it. For details on how this works, please see the US Constitution.

Secondly, I made a comment that most of us would like our politicians to send their kids off to war if they are going to decide to have one.

Since McCain already went to war, Palin and Biden are sending kids, where is Obama's contribution since he IS a sitting Senator and HAS voted TO FUND the war?

That's my question and I stand by it.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   23:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeye (#85)

Check the hearts of the people whose families we've destroyed in Iraq, and see how they feel. Of course we were following the Clean Break strategy, for Tel Aviv.

Bucky.. don't limit yourself so much, evil is everywhere, but you knew that already, didn't ya..

Refinersfire  posted on  2008-09-03   23:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: mirage (#86)

where is Obama's contribution since he IS a sitting Senator and HAS voted TO FUND the war?

That's my question and I stand by it.

It is easy to sit back and bitch, isn't it.. come on Obama, sign up for a tour or sit the fck down..

Refinersfire  posted on  2008-09-03   23:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: mirage (#86)

Alright, so you are for FREEDOM where everyone is free to go to war if they wish but Obama MUST send a family member to war. Are you suggesting that he adopts an 18 yr. old in a hurry and he sends him over ASAP? Or maybe you're suggesting that he decided to have pre-teen girls on purpose.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-03   23:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

I assume that the answer is 'no' because no righteous, red-blooded, patriotic American would agree to help McCain gain access to the nuclear buttons, among other things.

blah blah blah blah blah blah.....

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-03   23:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#89) (Edited)

I have nowhere said Obama MUST send. I have asked where his contribution is.

Obama is more than welcome to send HIMSELF.

There is a big difference between asking a question and making a demand and you, sir, should know that quite well. If not, then you know it now.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   23:37:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: mirage (#86)

...where is Obama's contribution since he IS a sitting Senator and HAS voted TO FUND the war?

Obummer hasn't contributed anything of substance to America all his life, let alone this or any previous "war".

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-03   23:43:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: All (#92) (Edited)

McCain is within 22 votes of taking the nomination and everyone is PASSING right now and refusing to cast their votes.

This is VERY interesting.

They seem to be waiting on Arizona.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-03   23:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: mirage (#93)

That is the norm........so that the home state can put the candidate over the top. ITs bullhockey, but they do it as a 'show' of uniformity, conformity, or unity.......some bullshit excuse.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-04   0:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: mirage (#93)

Did you notice they allowed no vote totals for other candidates, i.e., Paul gets 2 and someone else did as well, but they said 30 votes for McCain. I noticed it again with West Va's vote total. They just totally ignored other candidates votes and included them in the total for the pow hater.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-04   0:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: All (#95)

Now boehner says pow hater got 2600+ and that romney got 2 and paul got 5 and now swindle, a bud of the pow hater wants it made unanimous.......changing those votes

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-04   0:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: rowdee (#95)

Ya, I saw that too, but I am pleased that the Sovereign State of Oregon as well as the Great State of Washington each cast four votes, audible, and picked up by those listening, for Ron Paul.

Paul took 25% of the vote in Oregon running against McCain and Paul also flat-out won in Clark County, Washington, home to the city of Vancouver, Washington.

I am well pleased that Paul was entered for nomination, that he actually kept his delegates, and had votes entered for him.

I am displeased he did not have 2000 delegate votes BUT - you win some, you lose some.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-09-04   0:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: rowdee (#95)

McP.O.W. hater indeed bump

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   0:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: rowdee (#25) (Edited)

I just had to say it, and I have been called cromagnon man. (I'm a trouble- maker).

The truth is that the system of government that operates in America today was developed by the most sophisticated murderers ever to exist on earth and is "legally" one of a commercial nature. Everything about it is based upon the false weights and measures, fiction, illusion and fraud. This monetary system was foisted upon America in 1913 by the Wilson Administration and has chipped away at freedom ever since. Within 20 years of its creation [Federal Reserve] the nation was financially bankrupted. This system has replaced the Constitutional form of republican governance with a socialist (fascist- communist) collectivist monetary dictatorship in the form of a bankrupt corporation.

The financial bankruptcy (often called a "re-organization") afforded the criminals in D.C. an opportunity to "hypothecate" all property for the purposes of borrowing against it. The implementation over time of birth certification, marriage licensing, hunting/fishing licenses, occupational licenses, vehicle registrations, property registrations, and etc. came about because of this hypothecation of our property and gives the government a third party interest in said property that they use to finance their corruption.

The "NEW DEAL" came about when the banking institutions were caught stealing or over lending against the gold deposited in the banks by the people. Just like today, the thieves were given more power instead of being locked up. By "executive order" Americans were ordered to turn in their gold to the government and accept paper currency in its place. The government then raised the value of gold nearly double what they had paid for it. An incremental encroachment upon the people was getting into high gear.

The "SOCIAL SECURITY" system looked good to the average Joe because of the conditions brought about by the bankers, but what it did to destroy freedom is incalculable because the LAW of the land [where the gold and silver ore reside] became a nullity and was replaced by (ancient) Law Merchant or COMMERCIAL LAW / CONTRACT LAW that had developed through maritime shipping/trading practices over the centuries.

Social Security "INSURANCE" was made available to the STATES by an "ENABLING ACT" that basically subverted States rights through the consent of the people to participate. This consent combined with the 14th Amendment made slaves of everyone even though no one seemed to notice. The STATES forfeited their autonomy and the people became federal citizens. NOTE: Federal doesn't mean National. Federal Citizenship means that you are a citizen of D.C. or a FEDERAL territory without any ability to QUESTION THE DEBT (14th Amendment section 4) because you're an insolvent slave now.

In a free country wherein you're expected to pay the debt (taxes) wouldn't it seem rational that you might have some input regarding the debt ???

Even though the gold had been confiscated there was still silver backing the paper notes until 1964. When the silver standard was removed the ability to PAY A DEBT was completely removed and replaced with AN ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS PROMISE of payment, making everyone an insolvent "DEBTOR".

This system "LEGALLY" turns freedom into slavery through the fictional creation of "credit" and forces the common folk to accept things in diametric opposition to their own conscience while leaving the financial system wide open to inflation, deflation, stagflation recession or depression at the whim of the PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE BANKERS that have used their corrupted paper to achieve possession of all the gold once held in reserve by the United States.

Many people disregard the Bible for whatever reason they choose, but there is a common sense guide to good government included in it and one critical admonishment is to keep equal weights and measures in our purse (wallet). Often times people laugh off the Bible and I would recommend reading Nehemiah 5 for an ancient example of exactly what has transpired here today and is only going to get worse.

[ 1 Now the men and their wives raised a great outcry against their Jewish brothers. 2 Some were saying, "We and our sons and daughters are numerous; in order for us to eat and stay alive, we must get grain." 3 Others were saying, "We are mortgaging our fields, our vineyards and our homes to get grain during the famine."

4 Still others were saying, "We have had to borrow money to pay the king's tax on our fields and vineyards. 5 Although we are of the same flesh and blood as our countrymen and though our sons are as good as theirs, yet we have to subject our sons and daughters to slavery. Some of our daughters have already been enslaved, but we are powerless, because our fields and our vineyards belong to others."

6 When I heard their outcry and these charges, I was very angry. 7 I pondered them in my mind and then accused the nobles and officials. I told them, "You are exacting usury from your own countrymen!" So I called together a large meeting to deal with them 8 and said: "As far as possible, we have bought back our Jewish brothers who were sold to the Gentiles. Now you are selling your brothers, only for them to be sold back to us!" They kept quiet, because they could find nothing to say.

9 So I continued, "What you are doing is not right. Shouldn't you walk in the fear of our God to avoid the reproach of our Gentile enemies? 10 I and my brothers and my men are also lending the people money and grain. But let the exacting of usury stop! 11 Give back to them immediately their fields, vineyards, olive groves and houses, and also the usury you are charging them— the hundredth part of the money, grain, new wine and oil."

12 "We will give it back," they said. "And we will not demand anything more from them. We will do as you say." Then I summoned the priests and made the nobles and officials take an oath to do what they had promised. 13 I also shook out the folds of my robe and said, "In this way may God shake out of his house and possessions every man who does not keep this promise. So may such a man be shaken out and emptied!" At this the whole assembly said, "Amen," and praised the LORD. And the people did as they had promised.] Nehemiah had gathered a mob to threaten the thieves that had reduced them to slaves. We must do the same or get used to being serfs in our own country.

I find it difficult to explain just how powerfully damaging the impact of this corrupted financial system truly is but suffice it to say that it DESTROYS the republican form of government while enslaving the public through the lack of understanding the people have regarding the LAW.

PATRIOTS have been having their asses handed to them in court most of my adult life because they continue to defend themselves with CONstitutional arguments that fall upon deaf ears in the COMMERCIAL COURTS, where the Judge is not a neutral party but acts as if he were the ships captain, the jury are mere advisors and the Patriot will be forced to walk the plank.

Believe it or not when baby Bush stated that the CONstitution was just a GD piece of paper ... he was being truthful. The CONstitution clearly admits the superiority of CONTRACTS. This is the law and whether you understand them (contracts/trusts) or not is your problem when you get to court. Many of these contracts are implicit in nature and operate based upon the actions of the parties and do not require that they be in writing.

Until we refuse this system, we guarantee our enslavement and our so- called "VOTE" is absolutely irrelevant.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-04   6:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: mirage (#91) (Edited)

I have nowhere said Obama MUST send. I have asked where his contribution is.

Obama is more than welcome to send HIMSELF.

I see, so wherever you see a gang rape in progress, you feel this irresistible urge to join in, but not before inviting everyone else to do the thing.

This is very interesting.

Would you be asking the next GOP SOB running for prez in 2012 where his contribution was to some Obama humanitarian war, if he started one?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-04   6:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: robnoel (#46)

anyone buying into this crap is a complete moron and it seems there are thousands of them in attendance

I'm saddened to see Palin appears to be one of the kool-aid drinkers.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-04   7:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Refinersfire (#79) (Edited)

So what war did you fight in? and if you are one of those phoney christians better prepare for a food fight

robnoel  posted on  2008-09-04   7:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: noone222 (#101)

Together with this guy Refinersfire

robnoel  posted on  2008-09-04   7:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: robnoel (#103)

Do you really want to start a pissing contest?

Refinersfire  posted on  2008-09-04   12:23:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: noone222 (#99)

That was an excellent post, actually good enough to stand on its own as an article.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-04   12:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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