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Title: Live thread - The Sarah Palin Presentation. Plus, the question of the day
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Published: Sep 3, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-09-03 20:21:55 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Question of the day Let's say, you consider yourself a righteous, red-blooded, patriotic American and let's assume that you are so. In fact, the word of your righteousness spread and McCain invites you to join him as his running mate. Knowing exactly what that meant: throwing away all your principles and turning into a McCain surrogate, defending McCain views that you used to oppose, having to read speeches written by McCain speech writers, etc., etc. Would you accept McCain's invitation? I assume that the answer is 'no' because no righteous, red-blooded, patriotic American would agree to help McCain gain access to the nuclear buttons, among other things. Now, here's the question: what do you think of Sarah's enthusiastic embrace of McCain? Place it within the context of your rejection of such an offer.
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#87. To: buckeye (#85)
Bucky.. don't limit yourself so much, evil is everywhere, but you knew that already, didn't ya..
That's my question and I stand by it. It is easy to sit back and bitch, isn't it.. come on Obama, sign up for a tour or sit the fck down..
Alright, so you are for FREEDOM where everyone is free to go to war if they wish but Obama MUST send a family member to war. Are you suggesting that he adopts an 18 yr. old in a hurry and he sends him over ASAP? Or maybe you're suggesting that he decided to have pre-teen girls on purpose.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
blah blah blah blah blah blah.....
I have nowhere said Obama MUST send. I have asked where his contribution is. Obama is more than welcome to send HIMSELF. There is a big difference between asking a question and making a demand and you, sir, should know that quite well. If not, then you know it now.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Obummer hasn't contributed anything of substance to America all his life, let alone this or any previous "war". McCain is within 22 votes of taking the nomination and everyone is PASSING right now and refusing to cast their votes. This is VERY interesting. They seem to be waiting on Arizona.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
That is the norm........so that the home state can put the candidate over the top. ITs bullhockey, but they do it as a 'show' of uniformity, conformity, or unity.......some bullshit excuse.
Did you notice they allowed no vote totals for other candidates, i.e., Paul gets 2 and someone else did as well, but they said 30 votes for McCain. I noticed it again with West Va's vote total. They just totally ignored other candidates votes and included them in the total for the pow hater.
Now boehner says pow hater got 2600+ and that romney got 2 and paul got 5 and now swindle, a bud of the pow hater wants it made unanimous.......changing those votes
Ya, I saw that too, but I am pleased that the Sovereign State of Oregon as well as the Great State of Washington each cast four votes, audible, and picked up by those listening, for Ron Paul. Paul took 25% of the vote in Oregon running against McCain and Paul also flat-out won in Clark County, Washington, home to the city of Vancouver, Washington. I am well pleased that Paul was entered for nomination, that he actually kept his delegates, and had votes entered for him. I am displeased he did not have 2000 delegate votes BUT - you win some, you lose some.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I just had to say it, and I have been called cromagnon man. (I'm a trouble- maker). The truth is that the system of government that operates in America today was developed by the most sophisticated murderers ever to exist on earth and is "legally" one of a commercial nature. Everything about it is based upon the false weights and measures, fiction, illusion and fraud. This monetary system was foisted upon America in 1913 by the Wilson Administration and has chipped away at freedom ever since. Within 20 years of its creation [Federal Reserve] the nation was financially bankrupted. This system has replaced the Constitutional form of republican governance with a socialist (fascist- communist) collectivist monetary dictatorship in the form of a bankrupt corporation. The financial bankruptcy (often called a "re-organization") afforded the criminals in D.C. an opportunity to "hypothecate" all property for the purposes of borrowing against it. The implementation over time of birth certification, marriage licensing, hunting/fishing licenses, occupational licenses, vehicle registrations, property registrations, and etc. came about because of this hypothecation of our property and gives the government a third party interest in said property that they use to finance their corruption. The "NEW DEAL" came about when the banking institutions were caught stealing or over lending against the gold deposited in the banks by the people. Just like today, the thieves were given more power instead of being locked up. By "executive order" Americans were ordered to turn in their gold to the government and accept paper currency in its place. The government then raised the value of gold nearly double what they had paid for it. An incremental encroachment upon the people was getting into high gear. The "SOCIAL SECURITY" system looked good to the average Joe because of the conditions brought about by the bankers, but what it did to destroy freedom is incalculable because the LAW of the land [where the gold and silver ore reside] became a nullity and was replaced by (ancient) Law Merchant or COMMERCIAL LAW / CONTRACT LAW that had developed through maritime shipping/trading practices over the centuries. Social Security "INSURANCE" was made available to the STATES by an "ENABLING ACT" that basically subverted States rights through the consent of the people to participate. This consent combined with the 14th Amendment made slaves of everyone even though no one seemed to notice. The STATES forfeited their autonomy and the people became federal citizens. NOTE: Federal doesn't mean National. Federal Citizenship means that you are a citizen of D.C. or a FEDERAL territory without any ability to QUESTION THE DEBT (14th Amendment section 4) because you're an insolvent slave now. In a free country wherein you're expected to pay the debt (taxes) wouldn't it seem rational that you might have some input regarding the debt ??? Even though the gold had been confiscated there was still silver backing the paper notes until 1964. When the silver standard was removed the ability to PAY A DEBT was completely removed and replaced with AN ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS PROMISE of payment, making everyone an insolvent "DEBTOR". This system "LEGALLY" turns freedom into slavery through the fictional creation of "credit" and forces the common folk to accept things in diametric opposition to their own conscience while leaving the financial system wide open to inflation, deflation, stagflation recession or depression at the whim of the PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE BANKERS that have used their corrupted paper to achieve possession of all the gold once held in reserve by the United States. Many people disregard the Bible for whatever reason they choose, but there is a common sense guide to good government included in it and one critical admonishment is to keep equal weights and measures in our purse (wallet). Often times people laugh off the Bible and I would recommend reading Nehemiah 5 for an ancient example of exactly what has transpired here today and is only going to get worse. [ 1 Now the men and their wives raised a great outcry against their Jewish brothers. 2 Some were saying, "We and our sons and daughters are numerous; in order for us to eat and stay alive, we must get grain." 3 Others were saying, "We are mortgaging our fields, our vineyards and our homes to get grain during the famine." 4 Still others were saying, "We have had to borrow money to pay the king's tax on our fields and vineyards. 5 Although we are of the same flesh and blood as our countrymen and though our sons are as good as theirs, yet we have to subject our sons and daughters to slavery. Some of our daughters have already been enslaved, but we are powerless, because our fields and our vineyards belong to others." 6 When I heard their outcry and these charges, I was very angry. 7 I pondered them in my mind and then accused the nobles and officials. I told them, "You are exacting usury from your own countrymen!" So I called together a large meeting to deal with them 8 and said: "As far as possible, we have bought back our Jewish brothers who were sold to the Gentiles. Now you are selling your brothers, only for them to be sold back to us!" They kept quiet, because they could find nothing to say. 9 So I continued, "What you are doing is not right. Shouldn't you walk in the fear of our God to avoid the reproach of our Gentile enemies? 10 I and my brothers and my men are also lending the people money and grain. But let the exacting of usury stop! 11 Give back to them immediately their fields, vineyards, olive groves and houses, and also the usury you are charging them— the hundredth part of the money, grain, new wine and oil." 12 "We will give it back," they said. "And we will not demand anything more from them. We will do as you say." Then I summoned the priests and made the nobles and officials take an oath to do what they had promised. 13 I also shook out the folds of my robe and said, "In this way may God shake out of his house and possessions every man who does not keep this promise. So may such a man be shaken out and emptied!" At this the whole assembly said, "Amen," and praised the LORD. And the people did as they had promised.] Nehemiah had gathered a mob to threaten the thieves that had reduced them to slaves. We must do the same or get used to being serfs in our own country. I find it difficult to explain just how powerfully damaging the impact of this corrupted financial system truly is but suffice it to say that it DESTROYS the republican form of government while enslaving the public through the lack of understanding the people have regarding the LAW. PATRIOTS have been having their asses handed to them in court most of my adult life because they continue to defend themselves with CONstitutional arguments that fall upon deaf ears in the COMMERCIAL COURTS, where the Judge is not a neutral party but acts as if he were the ships captain, the jury are mere advisors and the Patriot will be forced to walk the plank. Believe it or not when baby Bush stated that the CONstitution was just a GD piece of paper ... he was being truthful. The CONstitution clearly admits the superiority of CONTRACTS. This is the law and whether you understand them (contracts/trusts) or not is your problem when you get to court. Many of these contracts are implicit in nature and operate based upon the actions of the parties and do not require that they be in writing. Until we refuse this system, we guarantee our enslavement and our so- called "VOTE" is absolutely irrelevant.
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
Obama is more than welcome to send HIMSELF. I see, so wherever you see a gang rape in progress, you feel this irresistible urge to join in, but not before inviting everyone else to do the thing. This is very interesting. Would you be asking the next GOP SOB running for prez in 2012 where his contribution was to some Obama humanitarian war, if he started one?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I'm saddened to see Palin appears to be one of the kool-aid drinkers.
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
So what war did you fight in? and if you are one of those phoney christians better prepare for a food fight
Together with this guy Refinersfire
Do you really want to start a pissing contest?
That was an excellent post, actually good enough to stand on its own as an article.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. PATRIOTS have been having their asses handed to them in court most of my adult life because they continue to defend themselves with CONstitutional arguments that fall upon deaf ears in the COMMERCIAL COURTS, where the Judge is not a neutral party but acts as if he were the ships captain, the jury are mere advisors and the Patriot will be forced to walk the plank. Believe it or not when baby Bush stated that the CONstitution was just a GD piece of paper ... he was being truthful. The CONstitution clearly admits the superiority of CONTRACTS. This is the law and whether you understand them (contracts/trusts) or not is your problem when you get to court. Many of these contracts are implicit in nature and operate based upon the actions of the parties and do not require that they be in writing. Until we refuse this system, we guarantee our enslavement and our so- called "VOTE" is absolutely irrelevant. outstanding post, noone. very informative and right on. here's a great course on money and the economy presented in video vignettes by Chris Martenson. he does an excellent job explaining the history of the fiat currency and where it's headed. Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
Having spent a decade in the military and seeing war up close and personal I have no time for folks who think of military service as honorable I have even less time for those who call themselves pro-life but support killing for some political objective my bible does not advocate war and the commandments are pretty clear to anyone who can read
a vast rightwing conspirator posted on 2008-08-22 12:59:10 ET TONTO, I stand by my remarks. I have nothing more to say to you :)))) I will still be watching and videotaping you (for as long as I can take it), A.C.O.R.N. girl.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Thanks !
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
Thank you very much.
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
What about fighting in a war for self-defense of the country and everyone in it?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You should post how our fellow patriots can extricate themselves, step by step, from the commercial system. You'd do it far better than I.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Principles of the Just War * A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified. * A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate. * A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause Further, a just war can only be fought with "right" intentions: the only permissible objective of a just war is to redress the injury. * A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable. * The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought. * The violence used in the war must be proportional to the injury suffered. States are prohibited from using force not necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered. * The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.
That's better. I thought you'd gone all goofy there for a minute. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Palin's speech was about as nebulous as they come - some feel-good phrases for the crowds, some sarcastic comments about her equally vacuous opponent BHO, and that was it. She reminded me a bit of Fred Thompson. About the only thing we could conclude about Palin's political views from her speech is that she supports her running mate's psychotic warmongering.
WAR IS A RACKET WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes. In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows. How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle? Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill. And what is this bill?
My neighbor got a good laugh though when Palin talked about laying more pipe. No wonder we're screwed. Women vote for good looking men and men now voting for good looking women. It's not almost over, it just appears that way. It's O-V-E-R. Save dramatic, bloody efforts which probably would be of little effect anyway.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Butler is my man. A whistleblower's-whistleblower. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Ecclesiastes 3 For everything there is a season, a time for every activity under heaven. 2 A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant and a time to harvest. 3 A time to kill and a time to heal. A time to tear down and a time to build up. 4 A time to cry and a time to laugh. A time to grieve and a time to dance. 5 A time to scatter stones and a time to gather stones. A time to embrace and a time to turn away. 6 A time to search and a time to quit searching. A time to keep and a time to throw away. 7 A time to tear and a time to mend. A time to be quiet and a time to speak. 8 A time to love and a time to hate. A time for war and a time for peace. Now go back to your Internet pissing contests, with those that claim your a Jew, or better yet.. sell some more Gold..
So its you ...what prize prick you are!
Nope.. wrong again.. but I do know how to do research on anyone, anywhere.. try it some time.. here's a hint.. I'm Refinersfire everywhere I go on the net..
Hell, I'll make easy for you.. Here a freebie.. http://www.freedomunderground.org/homes.php?pid=17
I'm most concerned with the evil that is committed in my name, with my tax dollars, and the evil that impacts my own people. Zionism is such a scourge.
My impression of Sara: REPTILIAN. I don't know what else is there to say.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Yes I would, but only if s/he voted to authorize or fund it. Further, I would ask why start it in the first place. Then I would ask how the hell you can possibly have a "humanitarian war" - seems to be a contradiction in terms. Just as I have been saying about Iraq. We shouldn't be there. But BOTH front-runner candidates have voted to fund it. Only one of the front-runners is sending family. The other can't even be bothered visiting the troops unless there is a photo-op attached. Thus, I'm still likely to write in Ron Paul, but, if they flip the GOP ticket, I will be manning a phone bank because I want to see Palin shred DC the way she tore up the Republican Party in Alaska. So, I still have my question: What is Obama's sacrifice or contribution to the War in Iraq he has voted money for even though he is against it? Its fine for him to say "No contribution, you're just a sucker I'm gonna send to die." But at least that would be honest and I could respect that.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
My impression of Sara: REPTILIAN. I don't know what else is there to say. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Check the hearts of the people whose families we've destroyed in Iraq, and see how they feel. Of course we were following the Clean Break strategy, for Tel Aviv.
#88. To: mirage (#86)
where is Obama's contribution since he IS a sitting Senator and HAS voted TO FUND the war?
#89. To: mirage (#86)
#90. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
I assume that the answer is 'no' because no righteous, red-blooded, patriotic American would agree to help McCain gain access to the nuclear buttons, among other things.
#91. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#89)
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#92. To: mirage (#86)
...where is Obama's contribution since he IS a sitting Senator and HAS voted TO FUND the war?
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#93. To: All (#92)
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#94. To: mirage (#93)
#95. To: mirage (#93)
#96. To: All (#95)
#97. To: rowdee (#95)
#98. To: rowdee (#95)
McP.O.W. hater indeed bump
#99. To: rowdee (#25)
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#100. To: mirage (#91)
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I have nowhere said Obama MUST send. I have asked where his contribution is.
#101. To: robnoel (#46)
anyone buying into this crap is a complete moron and it seems there are thousands of them in attendance
#102. To: Refinersfire (#79)
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#103. To: noone222 (#101)
#104. To: robnoel (#103)
#105. To: noone222 (#99)
Lord Acton
#106. To: noone222, rowdee, Jethro Tull, ALL (#99)
I find it difficult to explain just how powerfully damaging the impact of this corrupted financial system truly is but suffice it to say that it DESTROYS the republican form of government while enslaving the public through the lack of understanding the people have regarding the LAW.
#107. To: Refinersfire (#104)
#108. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)
I want to clarify this, because it's probably important. I am suggesting DUMBO or TONTO not because I wish to hurt your feelings but because I believe those would be fair names for you. It is so, in my humble opinion, because, you seem to be too dumb to participate in a discussion on just about any topic without immediately replying with some kind of personal 'attack' or attempt to label the other party in some stupid way. Or, alternatively, you use some broken-record-like affirmation of certain stupid and tired 'ideas' such as 'it's all the same', 'nothing ever changes' or... wait, I believe that's it. It doesn't seem that there's room inside your little noggin for more than these two.
#109. To: christine (#106)
#110. To: James Deffenbach (#105)
#111. To: robnoel (#107)
my bible does not advocate war and the commandments are pretty clear to anyone who can read
#112. To: noone222 (#99)
#113. To: Rotara (#111)
#114. To: robnoel (#113)
#115. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
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#116. To: Rotara (#114)
If you have not read this I suggest you should by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major General Smedley D. Butler - USMC Retired
#117. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#115)
Palin's speech was about as nebulous as they come - some feel-good phrases, some sarcastic comments about her equally vacuous opponent, and that was it. About the only thing we could conclude about Palin's political views from her speech is that she supports her running mate's psychotic warmongering.
#118. To: robnoel (#116)
#119. To: robnoel (#107)
Having spent a decade in the military and seeing war up close and personal I have no time for folks who think of military service as honorable I have even less time for those who call themselves pro-life but support killing for some political objective my bible does not advocate war and the commandments are pretty clear to anyone who can read
#120. To: Refinersfire (#119)
#121. To: robnoel (#120)
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So its you ...what prize prick you are!
#122. To: robnoel (#120)
#123. To: Refinersfire (#87)
Bucky.. don't limit yourself so much, evil is everywhere, but you knew that already, didn't ya..
#124. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#115)
She reminded me a bit of Fred Thompson.
#125. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#100)
Would you be asking the next GOP SOB running for prez in 2012 where his contribution was to some Obama humanitarian war, if he started one?
#126. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#124)
She reminded me a bit of Fred Thompson.
More monkey cheese?
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