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Title: Joe Biden says Barack Obama might pursue charges against Bush adninistration if elected
Source: Guardian.uk
URL Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/200 ... uselections2008.joebiden/print
Published: Sep 4, 2008
Author: Elana Schor
Post Date: 2008-09-04 14:03:11 by Arator
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Keywords: Saner Elites, vs., Neocons
Views: 526
Comments: 60

Obama might pursue criminal charges against Bush administration· Biden says criminal violations will be pursued

Elana Schor guardian.co.uk,

Wednesday September 03 2008 19:32 BST

Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden said earlier this week that he and running mate Barack Obama could pursue criminal charges against the Bush administration if they are elected in November.

Biden's comments, first reported by ABC news, attracted little notice on a day dominated by the drama surrounding his Republican counterpart, Alaska governor Sarah Palin.

But his statements represent the Democrats' strongest vow so far this year to investigate alleged misdeeds committed during the Bush years.

When asked during a campaign event in Deerfield Beach, Florida, whether he would "pursue the violations that have been made against our Constitution by the present administration", Biden answered in the affirmative.

"We will not be stopped from pursuing any criminal offence that's occurred," he continued, going on to praise congressional committees for the deliberate pace of their inquiries into alleged Bush administration misdeeds.

Members of Congress are "doing the right thing, they're not making false accusations about anything … they're collecting data, subpoenaing records, they're building a file", Biden said.

"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation, they will be pursued – not out of vengeance, not out of retribution, out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no attorney general, no president -- no one is above the law."

Obama sounded a similar note in April, vowing that if elected, he would ask his attorney general to initiate a prompt review of Bush-era actions to distinguish between possible "genuine crimes" and "really bad policies".

"[I]f crimes have been committed, they should be investigated," Obama told the Philadelphia Daily News. "You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt, because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve."

When asked about his comments by Fox news today, Biden said he has no evidence that criminal charges would be warranted and no intention of pursuing action against the current president.

"What is true is the United States Congress is trying to preserve records on questions that relate to whether or not the law has been violated by anyone," Biden said, adding: "But, you know, there's been an awful lot of unsavoury stuff that's gone on. And the mere fact … that it occurred in a previous administration doesn't mean [a subsequent] Justice Department, if, in fact, there's evidence, shouldn't pursue them. "But I have no evidence of any of that. No one's talking about pursuing President Bush criminally."

Congressional Democrats have issued a flurry of subpoenas this year to senior Bush administration aides as part of a broad inquiry into the authorisation of torturous interrogation tactics used at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

Three Bush White House veterans have been held in criminal contempt of congressional committees for refusing to respond to subpoenas in an inquiry on the firing of federal prosecutors: former counsel Harriet Miers, former political adviser Karl Rove, and current chief of staff Josh Bolten. The battle over Miers's and Bolten's testimony is currently before a federal court.

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#1. To: Arator (#0)

Arator, you're an idiot eating poisoned bananas if you believe Clinton's Impeachment was anything but a domestic show or if chasing Bush around will really happen (Paraguay).

In the meantime, spare us

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   14:05:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Arator (#0)

The heretofore secret war among the elites is breaking into the open. The neocons will be prosecuted and imprisoned by the faction of elites behind Obama/Biden. The fight is on. Don't sit on the sidelines. The not-so-insane elites need our help to defeat, indict and imprison the totally insane faction currently in power.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   14:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Arator (#0)

Bullshitters like Biden and other Democrats have had plenty of opportunities to do something about Bush as Senators and Congressmen. These cowards wouldn't even vote to defund the war in Iraq, and you seriously think they'll press criminal charges against the Bush gang?

Wake up and smell the coffee - Biden talking about impeaching Bush is like Roddy Piper saying "he's gonna kill" Hulk Hogan.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-04   14:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Arator (#0)

The neocons will be prosecuted and imprisoned by the faction of elites behind Obama/Biden

This story is nothing more than political red meat for the Ds. If you believe Obama/Biden will hunt down the neos and prosecute them, you're stone cold delusional. You really need to know they're all part of the same club, and since both Obama and Biden voted to fund the Iraqi war, they should begin the "round up" by cuffing each other up.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-04   14:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Arator, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Peppa, Diana, CadetD, lodwick, angle, Kamala, all (#0)

Joe Biden says Barack Obama might pursue charges against Bush adninistration if elected

BULLSHIT!

This is an act of desperation because the general public is waking up to the fact that the U.S. Feral Government is being run by Organized Crime.

Oh'Bummer and Bidet are "made men". The last thing they would actually do is bring Jorge W. Booosch up on charges. This is a result of Bugliosi's book laying out the case against Jorge which would allow him to be brought up on charges of murder and War Crimes.

Of course Jorge is guilty of Crimes Against Humanity, but Oh'Bummer and Bidet are controlled and their twisted souls are owned by the same criminal cabal.

This is nothing more than a disinformation DIVERSION. Period.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-04   14:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Arator (#0)

Hi Arator - so much for civil discourse. Thanks for the article.

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tom007  posted on  2008-09-04   14:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull, Arator (#4)

You really need to know they're all part of the same club, and since both Obama and Biden voted to fund the Iraqi war, they should begin the "round up" by cuffing each other up.

http://wakethefuckup.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/brzezinski-for-president-2008-or-the-puppet-show-that-is-the-election/

They are demoniacally-inspired luciferian world orderists preying on the sheeple = almost all "Ds" and now most "Rs".

(Time for them to run back to the collective and fling ball cheese at each other with a good laugh?)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   14:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Arator (#0)

Democrats' strongest vow

I can hardly wait to watch the circus, given the oh-so-fine record of the Demo- half-of-the-replublicrats keeping their vows. On anything.

Nah, on second thought, I'll just skip the circus and the rest of the ol shebang as well.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-09-04   14:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: tom007 (#6)

so much for civil discourse.

You can count on that. The days of civility in this Illuminist controlled world (luciferian world orderists) are over until the Lord comes back to cleanse Earth.

Most I know are ready for the fight. Right now.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   14:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rotara, tom007 (#9)

Most I know are ready for the fight. Right now.

The battle is already joined.

So far it has been a war of ideas and information.

There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.

People are waking up to the criminality and the physical danger they and their families are in.

I hope it remains a war of ideas and that is enough to bring down the rotted structure that has been erected.

Dear God I do so pray.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-04   14:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Arator, ALL, The democrats are neocons also (#0)

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christine  posted on  2008-09-04   14:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#10)

The battle is already joined.

So far it has been a war of ideas and information.

There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.

People are waking up to the criminality and the physical danger they and their families are in.

I hope it remains a war of ideas and that is enough to bring down the rotted structure that has been erected.

Dear God I do so pray.

Ideas can no longer win elections because they're 100% rigged.

Ideas can not turn back the FEMA Concentration Camps in America which are nearly all completed.

Ideas can not stop the Police State-ification of our local LEO units that now have APCs with AUTO-.50 cals mounted on them, all S.W.A.T'ted up.

Ideas can not stop the tanking of our currency and the destruction of our food, right down to our seeds.

I could go on all day.

It's just a trip wire away now. I hope everyone's ready that thinks they're patriots willing to fight for their families and America.

~ : 0

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   14:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent, all (#10)

The battle is already joined.

So far it has been a war of ideas and information.

There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.

People are waking up to the criminality and the physical danger they and their families are in.

I hope it remains a war of ideas and that is enough to bring down the rotted structure that has been erected.

Dear God I do so pray.

Amen.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-04   14:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#11)

The democrats are neocons also

Good luck pitching that to stoooooooooopid and scared partisans living the lie. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   14:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#10)

Dear God I do so pray.

Well I am convinced that He is in control, so my faith crushes all fear of what's coming.

Pray for peace but prepare for war.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   14:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: tom007 (#6)

hi tom, what reply do you think is not civil? i don't see any personal attack of arator, only disagreement with and disbelief of the thesis of the article.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-04   14:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Arator (#0)

Joey, sweetie, first you gotta win the Presidency.

And you guys got balls all of a sudden.

You voted for Bush's formulations and war in October 2002, remember?

Gosh, I'm impressed, you mean it, or did you leave yourself a escape hatch a mile wide.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-04   14:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Rotara (#12)

However, the reality is that the bad guys have planned for physcial opposition and all that open armed rebellion does is give them an excuse to use it.

It may come to guerilla warfare but if we go down that path it leads into a long dark night.

Ideas, and social movements, are juggernauts which transcend mere physical force.

There are times when you MUST fight, but I would counsel restraint as armed revolt, at this point, is only a recipe for massive clampdown and a social dissolution that would make the current unrest look like a Sunday Social.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-04   14:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: lodwick (#13)

Amen.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-04   14:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#18)

You won't see me firing the first shot.

But, much like the Russian Federation, I have a well-thought out and prepared for plan.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   14:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine, tom007 (#16)

hi tom, what reply do you think is not civil?

My inference was that Tom had mind reference to replies unaccompanied by spittle.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-04   14:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Arator (#0)

you honestly believe biden? don't you see this is campaign rhetoric the same that has gone on election after election? the two branches of the establishment party only differ in their words. their actions are the same. history is the best predictor of future behavior.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-04   14:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#22) (Edited)

The day the Democrats bring any meaningful charges against the RepukingCons will be the day that pigs fly. Democrats are freakin' cowards and pussies. They'll roll over the instant some child-molesting RepukingCon gives them a dirty look. "Oh, I'm so sorry Mr. Child Raping Corporate Whoreslut sir... I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, no, no, we won't pursue any investigations. So very sorry to have bothered you, your worship. Go ahead and continue diddling that five-year old."

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-09-04   14:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: tom007 (#6)

Dear tom007,

Just how civil should we be with people who send kids like your nephew? off to endless war? Obama/Biden voted to fully fund Bush's madness and Obama has stated he wants to extend the mess into Afghanistan (what have they done to us?) and Pakistan (a supposed ally). Civility with animals is insanity.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-04   15:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Rotara (#20)

The problem is that the bad guys, the Intelligence and Black-Ops community under Rotchild Psychiatric control, already have the weapons on the shelf that would wipe out life on the planet. You need only read their writings to know that they would do it.

Bill Gates and others are aware of this and thus the Doomsday Seed Vault in the Arctic.

This is best viewed as a bomb, which if not carefully defused, can blow up in our face at any moment.

These people we are facing ARE psychotic and they think like psychotics. If they get cornered too soon they WILL wipe out all life on earth rather than surrender their power.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-04   15:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Winston Churchill:

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Most would rather pretend one side or the other will be the answer THIS time.

They're scared to face reality and act accordingly.

Our Founding Fathers would slap the s#it out of these suck ups and hang the partisan Traitors IMO.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   15:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#25)

see #26

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   15:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Arator (#0)

Oh puleeze, Arator----'woulda, coulda, shoulda' means diddly squat. Ain't gonna happen. I'm not gonna hold my breath, or should I say, press the magic genie button for Waldo, er Obama, or any of the evil ones.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-04   15:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Rotara, Arator, all (#26) (Edited)

Yep, and some have gone so far out on the crazy limb they miss the obvious; this article is pure politics 101. Will Arator please remind us all the last time an incoming president investigated (with the intent to prosecute) an outgoing president? I can help him out there - it's NEVER happened. And why is that? They all belong to the upper crust, the elite, the illuminists if you will.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-04   15:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Rotara (#26)

Winston Churchill:

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Churchill had his faults but the man had an eloquent way of expressing reality.

Either we make a stand NOW or the darkness will overwhelm - for a time.

The problem with our psychotic elites cannot build a lasting structure and even if they win for a time they will build a society which will soon collapse of its own malignancy.

The other possible outcome is a sterile ball in a lonely orbit around a minor star.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-04   15:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rotara (#26)

Our Founding Fathers would slap the s#it out of these suck ups and hang the partisan Traitors IMO.

If the Brits had had at their disposal an arsenal of pilotless drones as is true of the ruling elite of today, the Founding Fathers would have been dispatched to eternity with the push of a button somewhere in London.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-09-04   15:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rotara, arator (#9)

The days of civility in this Illuminist controlled world (luciferian world orderists) are over until the Lord comes back to cleanse Earth.

Well OK then - it's all clear to me now.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-09-04   15:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Arator (#0)

Obama might pursue

just read the title again, that word MIGHT jumped out at me and slapped me in the face.

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christine  posted on  2008-09-04   15:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Sam Houston (#31)

If the Brits had had at their disposal an arsenal of pilotless drones as is true of the ruling elite of today, the Founding Fathers would have been dispatched to eternity with the push of a button somewhere in London.

They faced the same odds we face and miraculously prevailed.

I don't see a 'win' as it were, but I also don't see myself capitulating or even being hauled off to a camp.

How about you?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   15:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Arator (#0)

Members of Congress are "doing the right thing, they're not making false accusations about anything … they're collecting data, subpoenaing records, they're building a file", Biden said.

Translation: They are collecting data, and will keep collecting it while never making a ruling until every person who commited a crime is either dead of old age or in the old folks home.

"D"s are getting desperate. The anti-war and anti-police state bloc is pissed at being stabbed in the back. Now the DNC is tossing them a "we hate Bush too!" bone to try to lure them back in.

Didn't fall for it in 06. Not falling for it now.

"[I]f crimes have been committed, they should be investigated," Obama told the Philadelphia Daily News. "You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt, because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve."

Because God forbid we hurt the poor little "R"s feelings. So, when can we expect the "R" brand of moveon.org to come about?

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-09-04   15:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#35)

Because God forbid we hurt the poor little "R"s feelings. So, when can we expect the "R" brand of moveon.org to come about?

Why haven't O'biden admitted that at the very least, someone on the inside allowed 911 to happen?

The evidence that it was at least ALLOWED to occur is OVER WHELMING!

neoCONS

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   15:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: tom007, Rotara, arator (#32)

The days of civility in this Illuminist controlled world (luciferian world orderists) are over until the Lord comes back to cleanse Earth.

Well OK then - it's all clear to me now.

Good!

Now shut up, relax and wait for the rapture! (Try not to be driving)

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-04   15:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: iconoclast (#37)

Now shut up, relax and wait for the rapture! (Try not to be driving)

You CRACK me up. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   15:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: iconoclast (#37)

wait for the rapture!

Damn, that's where I got it wrong, thought it was rupture!

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-04   15:46:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rotara (#34)

They faced the same odds we face and miraculously prevailed.

"Interesting" reading of history.

Try this one. We're the hegemon presently ... same as Brits were then, and we're experiencing some of the same surprises and disappointments as they did in their heyday.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-04   15:48:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: iconoclast (#40)

Try this one. We're the hegemon presently ... same as Brits were then, and we're experiencing some of the same surprises and disappointments as they did in their heyday.

Just remember, YOU are the one here drinking the neocon Kool Aid and trying to get others to imbibe with you. The sheeple would have a shot if the world government Traitors were all hanging from lamp posts soon.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   15:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: swarthyguy (#39)

Damn, that's where I got it wrong, thought it was rupture!

It's those chicom rubbers you're thinking of.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   15:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Rotara (#41)

Try this one. We're the hegemon presently ... same as Brits were then, and we're experiencing some of the same surprises and disappointments as they did in their heyday.

Just remember, YOU are the one here drinking the neocon Kool Aid and trying to get others to imbibe with you. The sheeple would have a shot if the world government Traitors were all hanging from lamp posts soon.

Neocon?

I think my point whizzed over your head. Stand still, maybe you'll catch if it comes around again.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-04   15:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Rotara (#42)

lol, good one.

Ruptured in the Rapture! Oy Vey!

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-04   15:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: iconoclast (#43)

Neocon?

Yes, McFobama - the neocon you shill relentlessly for.

Shame on you.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   16:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Rotara (#45)

Neocon?

Yes, McFobama - the neocon you shill relentlessly for.

Shame on you.

You are one confused dude.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-04   16:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Pissed Off Janitor, Elliott Jackalope (#35)

Obama told the Philadelphia Daily News. "You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt, because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve."

god, i've heard that one once or 100s of times before. talk talk talk talk talk. as i've posted many times, it's just one smooth transition from one corrupt nepotistic administration to the next.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-04   16:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: iconoclast (#11)

#11. this tube's for you.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-04   16:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Arator (#0)

The heretofore secret war among the elites is breaking into the open. The neocons will be prosecuted and imprisoned by the faction of elites behind Obama/Biden.

Yep, and I'm the Easter Bunny. No really. Serious. Not joking. I am THE actual Easter Bunny.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-09-04   16:19:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: iconoclast (#46)

You are one confused dude.

So says the Fobama neocon tool. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   16:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Vitamin Z (#49)

Yep, and I'm the Easter Bunny. No really. Serious. Not joking. I am THE actual Easter Bunny.

When you crap a colored egg, I'll believe you. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   16:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Arator (#0)

Yeah, I'll believe it if I see it.

angle  posted on  2008-09-04   16:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Rotara, christine (#14)

The democrats are neocons also

Good luck pitching that to stoooooooooopid and scared partisans living the lie. ;-)

Get back to me when Obama lies us into a debacle.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-04   20:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: iconoclast (#53)

Get back to me when Obama lies us into a debacle.

Have you lived your WHOLE life like this?

You deserve Poppy, clinton, jorge bush, mcCain, Fobama and the next neocon.

I, and my family, however, do NOT.

How much you collecting each month from corp.gov, there, CRACK daddy?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   20:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: christine (#48)

#11. this tube's for you.

And for that nutbag ari.

Peppa  posted on  2008-09-05   21:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Original_Intent (#30)

The problem with our psychotic elites cannot build a lasting structure and even if they win for a time they will build a society which will soon collapse of its own malignancy.

I think that is spot on.

It seems prudent to keep an eye on the armada at the shores of Georgia. Hold and watch.

Peppa  posted on  2008-09-05   21:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Original_Intent (#5)

Bidet

ROFLMAO!

It seems that 'Rock'em Sock'em Robots' of the red and blue order are playing the same old game. Brainless and swinging.

Peppa  posted on  2008-09-05   21:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: PeppaOriginal_Intent (#57)

Original_Intent

Bidet

ROFLMAO!

I missed that one. OI you deserve a medal.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-05   21:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Peppa (#55)

hey pep, good to see you again.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-05   21:48:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: christine (#59)

hey pep, good to see you again.

Thanks Christine! Had to check in and catch up on the scoop!

Peppa  posted on  2008-09-05   21:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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