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Title: Evangelical faith drives Palin's pro-Israel view
Source: Washington Times
URL Source: http://washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... -faith-drives-pro-israel-view/
Published: Sep 4, 2008
Author: Ralph Z. Hallow
Post Date: 2008-09-04 20:29:47 by buckeye
Keywords: aog, pentecostal
Views: 1037
Comments: 121

Thursday, September 4, 2008
Evangelical faith drives Palin's pro-Israel view
Ralph Z. Hallow

ST. PAUL, Minn. | Sarah Palin displays an Israeli flag in her governor's office in Juneau, even though she has never been to the country, and attends Protestant evangelical churches that consider the preservation of the state of Israel a biblical imperative.

Her faith makes her a favorite with the staunchly pro-Israel neoconservative elements in the Republican Party.

But other Republicans may be concerned that a John McCain-Sarah Palin administration will disregard the caution of former President George H.W. Bush and some of his top advisers and continue the tilt toward Israel.

Most Republicans and conservatives outside Alaska know little about Mrs. Palin's foreign policy views - on Israel or anything else.

But Tucker Eskew, who holds the title of counselor to Mrs. Palin in the McCain-Palin campaign, left no doubt where she stands.

"She would describe herself as a strong supporter of Israel's, with an understanding of Israel's fear of an Iran in possession of nuclear weapons," Mr. Eskew told The Washington Times.

In June, Mrs. Palin told ministry students at her former church that in going to war with Iraq, the United States is "on a task that is from God," the Associated Press reported.

Mrs. Palin's brand of evangelical Protestantism is especially well-disposed to the preservation of Israel for biblical reasons, said Merrill Matthews, an evangelical Christian and a Dallas-based health-policy specialist.

Mrs. Palin was baptized as a teenager at the Wasilla Assembly of God Church. She frequently attends the Juneau Christian Center, which is also part of the Pentecostal Assemblies of God. Her home church is the Church of the Rock, an independent congregation.

"Historically, the Assemblies of God have been dispensationalists, which means they believe in 'the rapture' of Christians that takes them out of the world," said Mr. Matthews. "Central to that position is a very strong support for Israel. It's integral to their view of both prophecy and politics. Denying Israel is almost like denying the faith."

Meanwhile, she is getting rave reviews from Jewish Republicans.

"I think it is very telling that she has a flag of the state of Israel in her office," said Matthews Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition. "That was not inspired by domestic politics, since there is a very small Jewish population in Alaska.

"The fact that she keeps the flag of Israel in her office means she has Israel in her heart," Mr. Brooks said. "I am confident the Jewish community will be impressed with the strong pro-Israel views of Governor Palin as she begins to travel the country and ... discuss the critical issues in this campaign."

On the Democratic side, presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., while not identifying with neoconservatism, have put themselves solidly in the friends of Israel camp.

"The essence of neoconservatism is the protection of Israel - a shared priority with evangelical Christians," said Paul Erickson, the Republican strategist who managed Pat Buchanan's presidential bid in 1992.

Chief among the McCain campaign's foreign policy advisers known for their neoconservative worldview is Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Trent Lott and Bob Dole in the Senate.

Other neoconservative foreign policy analysts who have Mr. McCain's ear are former Clinton White House CIA Director R. James Woolsey Jr., who predicted that Iraq's Shi'ite Muslims would flock to support the U.S. in the event of war, and Robert Kagan, a co-founder of the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

The Republican presidential hopefuls who competed with Mr. McCain earlier this year tended to share the same interventionist approach in foreign policy that is integral to the neoconservative worldview.

"There is an overwhelming presence of neoconservatives and absence of traditional conservatives that I don't know what to make of," said Richard V. Allen, former Reagan White House national security adviser.

In June, Mr. Obama pledged his support before a powerful pro-Israel lobby, though not couched in biblical or religious terms.

"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon," he told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Washington. "Let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel."

Not to be outdone, Mr. Biden appealed in person to elderly Jewish Floridians on Wednesday.

"I am chairman of the [Senate] Foreign Relations Committee," he said. "I give you my word as a Biden I would not have given up that job to be Barack Obama's vice president if I didn't in my gut and in my heart and in my head know that Barack Obama is exactly where I am on Israel. And he is."

On Monday, Mr. McCain told an AIPAC audience that a meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would lead to "anti-Semitic rants and a worldwide audience for a man who denies the Holocaust."

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#1. To: buckeye (#0)

Sarah Palin displays an Israeli flag in her governor's office in Juneau, even though she has never been to the country, and attends Protestant evangelical churches that consider the preservation of the state of Israel a biblical imperative.

She reminds me of everyone at the church I no longer attend. :(

What's really sad is that Israel has been used by the neocons for their luciferian ends and are targeted by ALL sides for destruction.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   20:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Rotara (#1)

Without the Zionist Evangelicals, the GOP would be a ghost town. Another party could rise from the ashes, if it weren't for Evangelicals. We got a hint of this when Phyllis Schlaffly stood on national TV and didn't criticize Huckabee after he won the Values Voter debates under her auspices.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   20:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeye (#2)

Aww, you make baby podho cry.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-09-04   20:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeye (#2)

I have NO problem with Israel's existence and safety.

I DO have a problem with foreign aid, entangling alliances, foreign lobbyists, domestic lobbyists working for foreign interests and anything that resembles putting America anywhere but first.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   20:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Rotara (#4)

I have NO problem with Israel's existence and safety.

You've made that painfully clear. So have millions of Evangelicals. When push comes to shove, they're going to take a tumble for Zionism.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   20:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rotara (#1)

She reminds me of everyone at the church I no longer attend. :(

What's really sad is the fact that a bible student "KNOWS" that those calling themselves "Israel" today have no ethnic connection to the Israelites led out of Egypt by Moses. They are merely religious converts to Judaism that in most cases are actually atheists.

The lineage of these Israeli (JEWISH) folks is clearly detailed in the scriptures but most church goers are socialites and not bible students, so they remain ignorant of this TROJAN HORSE while thinking they're doing God's Will. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I had the highest hopes for Sarah Palin (like I did Ron Paul). My hopes have been dashed on both accounts.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-04   20:53:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeye (#0)

Most Republicans and conservatives outside Alaska know little about Mrs. Palin's foreign policy views - on Israel or anything else.

LOL! Well, that is made very obvious by all the silly assumptions presented in this article.

eskimo  posted on  2008-09-04   20:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone222 (#6)

What's really sad is the fact that a bible student "KNOWS" that those calling themselves "Israel" today have no ethnic connection to the Israelites led out of Egypt by Moses.

This has not been proven to my satisfaction, and some researchers like Kevin MacDonald claim there is proof that the heredity goes back all the way.. It strikes me as wishful thinking, especially among those who claim they're under the heredity of a "lost tribe" in order to take part in the ethnic supremacism that is inherent in Judaism.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   20:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: eskimo (#7)

LOL! Well, that is made very obvious by all the silly assumptions presented in this article.

She's campaigning with the yarmaluke wearing McCain, and sending her son into combat for Israel in Iraq. I can't think of a better clarification than that.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   20:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rotara (#4)

Israel will in the end go in the same direction as South Africa it is for that reason that Israel always supported the former government of SA and thats what scares the hell out of them ....majority rule

robnoel  posted on  2008-09-04   21:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#6)

What's really sad is the fact that a bible student "KNOWS" that those calling themselves "Israel" today have no ethnic connection to the Israelites led out of Egypt by Moses. They are merely religious converts to Judaism that in most cases are actually atheists.

The lineage of these Israeli (JEWISH) folks is clearly detailed in the scriptures but most church goers are socialites and not bible students, so they remain ignorant of this TROJAN HORSE while thinking they're doing God's Will. Nothing could be further from the truth.

So when does the Israel that "The generation who sees Israel reconstituted shall not pass away (paraphr.)" come into being ya suppose?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeye (#5)

I have NO problem with Israel's existence and safety.

You've made that painfully clear. So have millions of Evangelicals. When push comes to shove, they're going to take a tumble for Zionism.

What's the difference between the leaders of Israel and the leaders of America?

Answer: none whatsoever

Focus on America and the Traitors here so we can maybe get stuff done. Please?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeye, original_intent (#0)

buckeye, i saw an abbreivated version of this info on lewrockwell this morning and thought of you, lol!

isnt it funny, yet sort of sad, how we repubs are finally given someone who looks so normal and a cute woman who grew up in the 80's. hockey mom whose hubby appears to be a blue collar fisherman.. the complete antithesis of the likes of cheney and rumsfeld. this was a brillaiant PR move on the part of mccain's handlers and i admit it does make the whole thing more interesting and entertaining. however i knew all along it was a comical show and although palin may not be outright evil like the rest of them shes still a puppet actress., whether she knows it or not.

sad though how people, some even here, were so EAGER to jump and embrace this person because of her image presented! human nature is eternally hopeful!! the fact that even the most cynical political skeptics liked palin shows innocence and hope. which is cute and sort of sad at the same time.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-09-04   21:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rotara (#12)

Focus on America and the Traitors here so we can maybe get stuff done. Please?

Talk to your so-called Christian brethren. They're the real problem here, and you know it. Zionist Jews would get nowhere without them. But that will change very soon. They won't need them anymore.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   21:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeye (#9)

She's campaigning with the yarmaluke wearing McCain, and sending her son into combat for Israel in Iraq. I can't think of a better clarification than that.

Most have no clue that this is not a war for American security but rather for the NWO.

I would bet she's just ignorant like the rest of the sheeple. Then again, what are the odds she's the 1 in 4 that isn't a neocon Bilderberg asset?

Maybe she isn't and is just a pawn. Could be either way.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeye (#14)

Talk to your so-called Christian brethren.

I realize both THEIR deception and YOUR deception, my old friend.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rotara (#15)

Most have no clue that this is not a war for American security but rather for the NWO.

For two reasons:

  1. Predisposition to the idea from reading the Zionist planted Scofield bible.
  2. Constant exposure to mainstream, right-wing Christian media.
You get busy and figure out how to crack this nut. It's not something I can solve for you.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   21:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Artisan (#13)

Few want to accept reality for what it is.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeye (#17)

You get busy and figure out how to crack this nut. It's not something I can solve for you.

You talk a lot about OTHER people's faith.

Start talking about YOURS so where you're coming from is more clearly understood.

As for me, I realize the political season is over and instead of seeing over the horizon to a new day I see hell coming with Jesus right behind somewhere soon possibly.

I'm going to fight the demon spawn and resist regardless.

So, please share where you come from faith wise.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rotara (#16)

I realize both THEIR deception and YOUR deception, my old friend.

Oh, because I refuse to acknowledge any special value for the dirt in Palestine?

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   21:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeye, rotara (#17)

rotara would have loved Lincoln in 1848 when he called for revolution but in 1865 he would have been in league with Booth.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-04   21:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Rotara (#19)

Is this a religious test?

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   21:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#19)

Watching the Palinthon on CSPAN right now. She reminds me of the wife I didn't marry but wish I had. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan (#13)

sad though how people, some even here, were so EAGER to jump and embrace this person because of her image presented! human nature is eternally hopeful!! the fact that even the most cynical political skeptics liked palin shows innocence and hope. which is cute and sort of sad at the same time.

Yup - she was selected, my best guess, for PR purposes only, and will be "told" when the time comes just where the body is buried, and where hers will be if she doesn't do what she is told.

As well I do not cotton to her dispensationalist theology - which amounts to acquiescing to any evil, no matter how foul, committed by Israel Sodom and Gomorrah because it would interfere with her interpretation of the the misrepresentation of the Christian Scriptures. To be a dispensationalist one must be willing to not oppose evil because it would be evil to oppose that evil because someone else said that God said that it was OK to ignore evil because that is what is required to sucker Jesus into coming back again.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-04   21:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeye (#22)

Is this a religious test?

You keep talking about everyone else's, how others are wrong.

Where do you stand.

Put up.

Or

Shut up.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#21) (Edited)

rotara would have loved Lincoln in 1848 when he called for revolution but in 1865 he would have been in league with Booth.

What do you know, New Deal man? You and yours were lapping up FDR's 'love for America', were you not?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeye (#20)

Oh, because I refuse to acknowledge any special value for the dirt in Palestine?

I realize the Bible is an obstacle for most. Where do you REALLY stand?

As if I have to ask.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rotara (#25)

Shut up.

You're telling me to stop discussing religious topics because I won't share my private thoughts? I think you should back off.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   21:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Rotara (#26)

What do you know, New Deal man?

Boothite???????????????????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-04   21:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: buckeye (#8)

What's really sad is the fact that a bible student "KNOWS" that those calling themselves "Israel" today have no ethnic connection to the Israelites led out of Egypt by Moses.

This has not been proven to my satisfaction ...

Ashkenazi Jews are named for their ancestor "Ashkenaz" ... Ashkenaz is the grandson of Japeth. The Israelites (all of them) descended from "Shem", not Japeth. See Genesis 10:3 for the descendents of Japeth.

Most of this family (Japeth) named at Genesis 10:3 are also named as the last times ENEMY OF ISRAEL at Ezekiel 38.

The ashkenazi Jews make up 85-90% of modern Jewry.

Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 warn of those that "say they are jews but are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan" ... this is who resides in Israel for the most part. And their deeds (fruits) are appropriate.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-04   21:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#24)

that is what is required to sucker Jesus into coming back again.

Anyone that believes they can manipulate God is sorely deceived and works in vain.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#29)

Boothite???????????????????

Not me. I would have fought with the South, though.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:23:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#29)

New Deal man

Every Man a King.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-09-04   21:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: buckeye (#28)

You're telling me to stop discussing religious topics because I won't share my private thoughts? I think you should back off.

Make me back off!

Why don't you be honest about where you come from as you rip others' beliefs and how they view God's Word?

If you want to play, then play. Or are you hiding something?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: noone222 (#30)

Jews are Jews. They have genetic links to one another that indicate so.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   21:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: MUDDOG (#33)

Back in those days someone promised us a chicken in every pot.

We knew they was funnin us cause we didnt have a pot.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-04   21:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rotara (#31)

The Cause of the Conflict, Fixing the Blame Charles E. Carlson Aug 28, 2008

The full story by this title was published on 7/13/2002 upon the author's return from a solo fact-finding trip to the Gaza Strip.---whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=161

The terrible war between Israel and Palestine known as Intifada II (the second uprising) erupted in September 2000, and has claimed over 2,000 Palestinian lives and almost 600 Israeli lives plus a few from other nations. It is time to name and condemn the responsible parties; this has not been done. Only then can the killing stop. Naming the guilty parties is easy because they have come forward publicly to name themselves. We American have simply not accepted their confession. Perhaps we too are implicated.

The guilty are neither the Palestinian nor the Israeli people, this becomes clear when you talk to both sides. That the American government is the financier of the war is a conclusion understood by just about everyone except the Americans. In my travels in the Mid East I found no one, including schools children, who failed to recognize that the American Government is providing the missiles, and that the war would end without American funding.

But to blame it on our government is shortsighted, for American is a 'Democracy.' This is what the students in Gaza told me. 'Why' they asked 'do you American permit your government to make war on us?'

At the root of the problem is a Christian subculture that has emerged within the American churches, supporting American Zionist leadership and the state of Israel. Without this unholy alliance there would have been no uprisings, because the West Bank and Gaza would not have been Israeli occupied territories. Without this Subculture the war against the Palestinian people, the war against the Afghans, and the currently promoted second war against Iraq would all be unsustainable in the Congress.

Ralph Reed, Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and former executive director of Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, and Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, have become co%u2011chairmen of a new anti%u2011Islamic hate group called the "Stand For Israel" campaign

The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is called "American" but it is controlled by Israel. "Stand for Israel" will also be controlled by Israel. (footnote aipac). The "Stand For Israel" campaign has already shown it self to be a hate generating subculture designed to pit Christians against Muslims, and it is led by Israeli patriot Rabbi Eckstein. The Southern Baptist Convention, America's largest evangelical fundamentalist church, has officially declared itself committed to Israel, and at holy war with Islam.

Richard L. Land, a Harvard%u2011educated spokesman for the SBC, and a permanent fixture as head of the powerful Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberties Commission, obviously thinks Southern Baptist ethics do not preclude declaring war on another religion (or race), for he levels his attacks on the Palestinian people as the enemies of Israel%u2011%u2011 some of whom are known to be Baptists! Land stated:

"God made an unconditional covenant (with the present day state of Israel), and he doesn't negotiate. It's God's way or the highway."

Dr. Land does not tell the Palestinians which highway to use or which desert they should march out into, or how they will survive. His interpretation of scripture dictates that each family give up all its worldly property and leave...or die like many already have.

Land continued: "supporting Israel is a matter of being obedient to god."

Dr. Land provides a childish explanation of why Baptists should support genocide against Palestinians; these are the incredible words he publicly proclaimed: "God has blessed them (referring to Arabs), and he will continue to bless them everywhere but Palestine, because God gave Palestine to the descendants of Isaac forever."

Land's logic is not traditional Baptist doctrine. This author is a former Southern Baptist and was for some years a Baptist Deacon. Rather, Lands doctrine can be found in the heretical footnotes of Oxford University Press's own dispensationalist bible, rewritten in 1967, at the time of the Six Day War, and named the Scofield Study Bible. Its impact is discussed in detail in the next chapter. His quotes come almost word-for-word from the Oxford bible's heretical footnotes, composed more than 500 years after the King James Edition was written.

Of course, there is not a shred of historical or genetic evidence to support any of these assumptions. Abraham's DNA has not been found. We would like to ask Dr. Land if he can name his family tree back 3000 years? Worst of all, based upon Dr. Land's (and Rabbi Eckstein's) interpretation someone's bible footnotes, we are supposed to decide who lives and who dies in the Middle East.

Land makes no concession for the Christian Arabs in Palestine, which includes some of my own friends who live in Gaza and belong to the Baptist Church there. Land says they must hit the 'highway" because God gave the land they live on to someone called Jacob who fathered a different tribe. Thus, on account of their race, they must die or starve, even if they are Baptists. How racist can you get? Does this also apply to Arab Jews in Gaza, of whom there are probably some?

In Gaza City, the Baptist church is located between the Library of Culture and Light and the Islamic Center on Omar Mukhter Boulevard. There I met and interviewed three Christian Arab members who consider themselves Baptists. Some of them have already been bombed by the Israelis. One, who asked that I not use his name, (Mr. J.) had to find a new school for his two boys because the Israelis had bombed their school into rubble a few days before I arrived. They used American%u2011made F%u201116s and 500%u2011pound American Smart Bombs.

The Southern Baptist Convention (which started the Gaza City Baptist Church years ago) has tacitly approve of every air raid because they believe the Israelis are of Jacob's seed and the Arabs are of Ishmael's.

End: Full origonal whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=161

Note 9/2008: Dr. Richard Land, remains the President of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. erlc.com/

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robnoel  posted on  2008-09-04   21:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: robnoel (#37)

Funny, no mention of Saudi Arabia, Iran or any of the others.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Rotara (#34)

Why don't you be honest about where you come from as you rip others' beliefs and how they view God's Word?

Look at it this way. My beliefs are personal. I don't readily share them. My secular philosophy is on display here. If you have a religious problem with it, and I know you do, then bring it on.

However, let us recall the major concerns that many of us have had with Islamic extremism. Their faith has begun to impinge on westerners. Your "faith" as it teaches "you" that "Israel" is sacred impinges on me, because my people are sucked into this mess by people like you who make wild claims about Israel being somehow special in the eyes of God.

Evangelicals have earned every right to be called America's Islamists. And you go along with them to the extent that you make these same claims. How does it feel?

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-04   21:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rotara (#31)

Anyone that believes they can manipulate God is sorely deceived and works in vain.

I would agree and that was one of the unstated points of my comment.

One does not demonstrate ones faith by using a perversion of it to justify evil.

Where in the Ten Commandments does it say "Kill thy Neighbor"? Where in the Christian Scriptures does one find justification for wholesale slaughter to bring about a state of affairs to bring the Second Coming?

Not that I am a pacifist as I most definitely am not, BUT I also believe that one can only justly use armed force, whether an individual or a State, to defend one's own life, the life of another, or to prevent a crime against an individual or group of individuals. With the exception of a few Sects, such as Jainism, which oppose all force on any grounds or Satanists who worship the gratuitous spilling of blood at their altar, that is a common thread that runs through virtually all religious thinking and philosophy.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-04   21:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeye (#39)

I just want to be clear.

You do NOT believe that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and that no man comes to the Father but by him and you don't believe that the Word of God (Holy Bible) is inspired by God by the Holy Spirit, correct or incorrect?

I'm just looking for truth. I really don't care otherwise. I've been around all types and all types of phonies, so just own what you believe and be honest about it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-04   21:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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