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Title: Evangelical faith drives Palin's pro-Israel view
Source: Washington Times
URL Source: http://washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... -faith-drives-pro-israel-view/
Published: Sep 4, 2008
Author: Ralph Z. Hallow
Post Date: 2008-09-04 20:29:47 by buckeye
Keywords: aog, pentecostal
Views: 1026
Comments: 121

Thursday, September 4, 2008
Evangelical faith drives Palin's pro-Israel view
Ralph Z. Hallow

ST. PAUL, Minn. | Sarah Palin displays an Israeli flag in her governor's office in Juneau, even though she has never been to the country, and attends Protestant evangelical churches that consider the preservation of the state of Israel a biblical imperative.

Her faith makes her a favorite with the staunchly pro-Israel neoconservative elements in the Republican Party.

But other Republicans may be concerned that a John McCain-Sarah Palin administration will disregard the caution of former President George H.W. Bush and some of his top advisers and continue the tilt toward Israel.

Most Republicans and conservatives outside Alaska know little about Mrs. Palin's foreign policy views - on Israel or anything else.

But Tucker Eskew, who holds the title of counselor to Mrs. Palin in the McCain-Palin campaign, left no doubt where she stands.

"She would describe herself as a strong supporter of Israel's, with an understanding of Israel's fear of an Iran in possession of nuclear weapons," Mr. Eskew told The Washington Times.

In June, Mrs. Palin told ministry students at her former church that in going to war with Iraq, the United States is "on a task that is from God," the Associated Press reported.

Mrs. Palin's brand of evangelical Protestantism is especially well-disposed to the preservation of Israel for biblical reasons, said Merrill Matthews, an evangelical Christian and a Dallas-based health-policy specialist.

Mrs. Palin was baptized as a teenager at the Wasilla Assembly of God Church. She frequently attends the Juneau Christian Center, which is also part of the Pentecostal Assemblies of God. Her home church is the Church of the Rock, an independent congregation.

"Historically, the Assemblies of God have been dispensationalists, which means they believe in 'the rapture' of Christians that takes them out of the world," said Mr. Matthews. "Central to that position is a very strong support for Israel. It's integral to their view of both prophecy and politics. Denying Israel is almost like denying the faith."

Meanwhile, she is getting rave reviews from Jewish Republicans.

"I think it is very telling that she has a flag of the state of Israel in her office," said Matthews Brooks, executive director of the Republican Jewish Coalition. "That was not inspired by domestic politics, since there is a very small Jewish population in Alaska.

"The fact that she keeps the flag of Israel in her office means she has Israel in her heart," Mr. Brooks said. "I am confident the Jewish community will be impressed with the strong pro-Israel views of Governor Palin as she begins to travel the country and ... discuss the critical issues in this campaign."

On the Democratic side, presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., while not identifying with neoconservatism, have put themselves solidly in the friends of Israel camp.

"The essence of neoconservatism is the protection of Israel - a shared priority with evangelical Christians," said Paul Erickson, the Republican strategist who managed Pat Buchanan's presidential bid in 1992.

Chief among the McCain campaign's foreign policy advisers known for their neoconservative worldview is Randy Scheunemann, a former aide to Trent Lott and Bob Dole in the Senate.

Other neoconservative foreign policy analysts who have Mr. McCain's ear are former Clinton White House CIA Director R. James Woolsey Jr., who predicted that Iraq's Shi'ite Muslims would flock to support the U.S. in the event of war, and Robert Kagan, a co-founder of the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

The Republican presidential hopefuls who competed with Mr. McCain earlier this year tended to share the same interventionist approach in foreign policy that is integral to the neoconservative worldview.

"There is an overwhelming presence of neoconservatives and absence of traditional conservatives that I don't know what to make of," said Richard V. Allen, former Reagan White House national security adviser.

In June, Mr. Obama pledged his support before a powerful pro-Israel lobby, though not couched in biblical or religious terms.

"I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon," he told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Washington. "Let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel."

Not to be outdone, Mr. Biden appealed in person to elderly Jewish Floridians on Wednesday.

"I am chairman of the [Senate] Foreign Relations Committee," he said. "I give you my word as a Biden I would not have given up that job to be Barack Obama's vice president if I didn't in my gut and in my heart and in my head know that Barack Obama is exactly where I am on Israel. And he is."

On Monday, Mr. McCain told an AIPAC audience that a meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would lead to "anti-Semitic rants and a worldwide audience for a man who denies the Holocaust."

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#82. To: eskimo (#81)

She is, in my opinion, an exceptionally patient and determined forward planner.

I appreciate YOUR insight, eskimo.

If Palin ever runs for the TOP of a ticket, I'll give her a LONG hard look see.

LONG and HARD look see. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-05   0:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Rotara (#59)

--

TORI AMOS - GOD


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-05   1:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#83)

Too many RATS for my taste, Mike, but thanks nonetheless.

Say, I hear you're ANTI-North American Union/NWO.

And yet you are full-throat for a National Party-NAU-NWO establishment puppet.

Haven't you figured all this s#it out yet?

Or, are you just another Mudbot Slime partisan hack?

Short and sweet, no bull. What gives?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-05   1:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: eskimo (#81)

Anyone can change, of course, but I do not believe Sarah would do anything she knew would be detremental to America or families such as her own. She is, in my opinion, an exceptionally patient and determined forward planner.

Reread my request.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-05   4:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Original_Intent (#77)

It would be a deathblow to the racist Ashkenazim and their pretentions

It is enough for me to find that the same text (Bible) falsely used to initiate the unwarranted, UN Mandated, Rothschild supported invasion-genocide- and ultimate displacement of Palestinians that had resided there for a minimum of 1100 years, living peacefully alongside a minority population of Jews, also details the lineages that when understood makes obvious the blatant fraud being perpetrated against the whole of humanity. If I haven't been clear let me just say that the Bible they use to make their false claim plainly argues the exact opposite of their claim.

The genetic markers could easily have been clouded over the centuries because Sephardic Jews have inter-married with their non-related Ashkenazi convert brethern since 750 AD.

There is no question in my mind that a DEATH BLOW to ZIO-NAZISM would occur should so-called Christians become awakened to the fraud being perpetrated in support of what amounts to a terrorist state, in the name of Jesus.

The end times prophecies contained in Ezekiel 38 and 39 name the enemies of Israel. These enemies are primarily descended from Japeth and war against Israel which are descended from Shem. The Ashkenazi Jews that make up 85-90% of modern Jewry descend from Japeth, THE ENEMY OF ISRAEL.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-05   5:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Rotara (#76)

I apologize for getting sh*tty with you whenever it was.

Haste makes waste and hasty judgments make unnecessary enemies. I don't even recall our disagreement.

More than anything that can be obtained in this life I want to get as close a glimpse of God as is possible. The Bible says God is TRUTH and GOD is spirit. I don't think it's possible to buy a bunch of bullshit dogma spewed by government controlled churches and know the TRUTH.

I find that many others hold beliefs that I too once held because they haven't done the research yet that would alter their thinking as it did mine. I want to see the facts and let the chips fall where they may even if I don't like it.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-05   6:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: rowdee (#80) (Edited)

Yiddish Cow-Poke ???

Geeze..........much ado about NOTHING.

Her rubber-stamping the Bush cabal's war policies is something that should concern us all. WW III looms near and a spark could light a tinder box filled with nuclear potential.

She made a point of the other guys saying one thing in one place and another thing somewhere else, catering to the audience at hand. She then goes on to tell the RNC her views on the war on terror ... she wouldn't criticize the other side and then cater to her warmongering RNC audience would she ?

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-05   6:12:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Rotara (#67)

If you can't wait just google parable of the fig tree ... I'm sure you'll get it.

NOW LEARN A PARABLE (or lesson) OF THE FIG TREE; WHEN HIS BRANCH IS YET TENDER (or begins to sprout), AND PUTTETH FORTH LEAVES (and leaves appear), YE KNOW THAT SUMMER IS NIGH (or approaching): SO LIKEWISE YE (or in the same way), WHEN YE SHALL SEE ALL THESE THINGS, (you are to) KNOW THAT IT (the time) IS NEAR, EVEN AT THE DOORS. VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU (the truth), THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS (away), TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED (or happen)-Mt 24:32-34.

NOW LEARN A PARABLE (or this lesson) OF THE FIG TREE; WHEN HER BRANCH IS YET TENDER (or begins to sprout), AND PUTTETH FORTH LEAVES (or leaves appear), YE KNOW THAT SUMMER IS NEAR (or approaching): SO YE IN LIKE MANNER (or in the same way), WHEN YE SHALL SEE THESE THINGS COME TO PASS, (you are to) KNOW THAT IT IS NIGH (or near), EVEN (right) AT THE DOORS. VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS (away), TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE DONE (or have happened)-Mk 13:28-30.

Let me first state that I do not allow the truth to be ill-affected by pulpit prostitutes with an agenda, 501(C)(3) status, that refuse to open the scriptures to their congregations for fear of losing their tax status or being prosecuted for telling the truth about Jews.

Commentaries are a dime a dozen and are probably funded in many cases by Jewish organizations or even the U.S. Government purposed to keep biblically illiterate church goers supportive of the genocide in the middle-east.

I have never been particularly fond of Arabs. That doesn't mean I should support their extermination. People in this country (America) for the most part haven't witnessed the effects of war on children, I have. When I watch the RNC numbskulls applauding war like trained seals it turns my stomach.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-05   6:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: rowdee (#80) (Edited)

Praise the "Lord" it's a war criminal convention.

Birds of a "feather" ???

How's about this Zionazi FLAG !!!

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-05   7:36:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeye (#0)

FREEDOM IS JUST ANOTHER WORD, FOR NOTHEN LEFT TO LOSE.....Janis Joplin

Christian Soldier  posted on  2008-09-05   9:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: rowdee (#80)

Geeze..........much ado about NOTHING.

Don't let your infatuation with Palin blind you to the reality of whose agenda is top priority in this national government of our country.

angle  posted on  2008-09-05   9:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: noone222 (#88)

OMG--it looks like she might have acknowledged one of 'them'!!! Horrors. The horrors! Imagine.....some bitch being civil. OMG........I can't deal with that. What didn't she spit in his face, or slap it, or stomp her 'pretty' little foot and demand the security guards take him out of that auditorium and execute him!!

Sorry--but there can be an honest disagreement about WOT without someone being an out and out fasist or socialist or communist or whatever just as there can be a disagreement over which breakfast cereal is best.

THe people on here are starting to get nuts. We get articles with people bitching about some friggin Israeli flag......but the initiating poster didn't have the testicles to post the damned picture accompanying the article that showed the 'flag' in question to be about the size of what one of the exotic liquor drinks use as stir sticks!! Its a friggin memento of some event........and yet, reading the article and all the comments on that thread, you'd think she'd already made a trip to israel, kissed ass, wore the little beanie, and demanded everyone in her family be circumcised, washed her hands, and ate some kosher bagel or whatever they hell they 'kosher'.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-05   11:55:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: noone222 (#90)

Get a grip, noone..........he IS a part of politics. What do you expect--spit in his face? You might think it 'macho' or 'tuff' or something like that, but most people would be offended at such an action--whether they like the politican or not. And if they don't, there is something wrong with their upbringing.

If all is so damned bad, that there is nothing in this country worth fighting for, why don't you run for something yourself......with the 'you' being generic, of course.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-05   12:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: angle (#92)

Infatuation? Me? Hell, it is you guys having the shorts in a twist moment who appear fascinated........an then frustrated. ROTF..........I have said I have NO desire, intention, plan, or otherwise to vote for her--she is NOT the top of the ticket.

Y'all are the ones running around desperately finding this article or that article, or a blog or something about..............ta dah............SARAH PALIN.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-05   12:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: rowdee (#94)

I defended Palin not wishing to jump the gun until her acceptance speech sounded like George Bush with tits and I got a stomach wrenching belly-ache at the thought of 8 more years of this "shit".

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-05   13:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: noone222 (#96)

George Bush with tits

Palin in a nutshell.

AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA & HOLLYWOOD: Oh, those Islamofascists.

wbales  posted on  2008-09-05   13:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: noone222 (#97)

George Bush with tits

Ain't it though.

angle  posted on  2008-09-05   13:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: rowdee (#95)

she is NOT the top of the ticket.

Funny, you pop up on every thread quasi-idolizing her. I'm mere pointing out the inconsistencies of her positions for discussion. Maybe if McCain croaks, you'll have all of her you can take.

angle  posted on  2008-09-05   13:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: angle (#99)

I'm popping up, as you call it, to try to put some of othe bullshit whine and bitch in perspective, and to bring a bit of the truth out.

For instance, all the bullshit about the israeli flag in her office--the way everyone was whining and carrying on, you'd have thought it was overriding the US flag, Alaska's flag.......or hell, as big as the ones flying over the capital dome. Turns out it was memento size......stuck off in some sort of container sitting on a window sill!

Its unbelievable all the shorts in a twist over that one.

And then to think, my gawd.......she shook hands with HK! End of the world??? How about a touch of common decency, respect your elders, or whatnot.

As I have noted all along, I ain't voting for her, no matter how good she is--she isn't at the top of the ticket. And I wouldn't vote it if it was her on top with him below.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-05   14:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: noone222 (#96)

her acceptance speech sounded like George Bush with tits

Hey, that's my line!

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-05   14:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: rowdee (#100)

I don't have a little Israeli Flag. Nor do I think one belongs in a US State government office. Why would she have one?

angle  posted on  2008-09-05   14:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: angle (#102)

No doubt it was a part of the decorations, or was given her as a token of appreciation, when she signed some flipping resolution that had to do with Alaskan airplanes helping relocate jews, IIRC it was the Alaskan national guard......this was some 40 - 50 years ago, or something like that.

Its totally ridiculous. Heaven help us if the NRA gave the broad a little replica of a Colt 45 or some such---I can hear all the whiners on that now.

Or if NASCAR gave her a helmet for approving some flippin race that would be initiated during her tenure.

OMG.......just think--if she met Steve Irwin before he died, he could have given her a miniature alligator or sumthin!

Gads, what if some Mustang Ranch ladies had stopped by to meete the Guvnor.....what would they have left?

Do you or your better half (if you ahve one)keep memenos or keepsakes of special events---like concert ticket stubs? What about pics, or stuffed critters or fishies you've caught/killed?

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-05   18:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#101)

Hey, that's my line!

Sorry, I hadn't seen it ... great line !!!

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-05   20:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: rowdee (#100)

How about a touch of common decency, respect your elders, or whatnot.

she shook hands with HK! End of the world???

Surely you jest ! Respect for Heinz Kissinger ... ridiculous.

No one said it was the end of the world.

Henry Kissinger is responsible for over throwing democratically elected governments and genocide. I guess I've lost my bullshit resistance. I wouldn't shake hands with that murdering filth-bag for any reason including his 200th birthday.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-05   20:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: noone222 (#105)

Doug, not everyone is at the same stage of history, or should I say, the same page that you are--unfortunate, but true. Are those who aren't on the same page as you all condemned to hell without getting to read the whole book? How do we manage to get everyone one the same page at the same time?

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-05   22:54:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: rowdee (#106) (Edited)

How do we manage to get everyone one the same page at the same time?

That is the $64,000.00 question.

I was talking to someone here the other day and it crossed my mind that as the crops of human beings rotate, the oldies getting tired while at the same time the newbies are being re-oriented (dumbed down) and propagandized continually, the chances of enough people with the necessary awareness to make a change for the better deteriorates a little bit every cycle. About the time we catch on to the enormous fraud that's been perpetrated we're too old and too tired to revolt, while the youth are too busy living to be concerned and too dumbed down to even recognize the highly sophisticated form of slavery being imposed upon them.

The process has become a pageant of actors and actresses that walk the runway, smiling, laughing and waving like someone gives a shit, when in most instances they are merely pretending to be qualified statesmen/states-women with the American people's interests in mind.

The citizenry have become like clapping seals that bark and clap as the media pundits throw them little slices of spin like fishes. In the current atmosphere it seems unlikely to me that an informed consensus is even possible, and the odds decrease as the senior generation passes on and the new one arrives only to be kept confused and less informed.

Without a "catalyzing event" of major import such as a direct attack upon the U.S., a nuclear attack somewhere in the world, or a worldwide famine things will degenerate incrementally just like they have for the past 2 centuries.

I think it will take an enormous calamity to get Americans and others worldwide on the same page at the same time ... and even then should it occur and people reach a consensus, it will be short lived, lasting until that particular emergency subsides. Folks will gradually regress into their own little world where they are the center of the universe.

Circumstances usually drive people into awareness. People that have been attacked by a vicious government often commit themselves to learning why this oppression is happening, or even how it has come about in order to try and rectify it. For instance, when one sees billions of dollars of debt "forgiven" by the government towards a foreign entity while some American that was taxed to give that money away loses his home over an unpaid parking ticket the hypocrisy is beyond acceptance. Worse in my mind is the callousness demonstrated by the average American regarding war. Real people suffering unnecessarily in order for a few rich, sick assholes to profit is acceptable "if it keeps us safe, or reduces our gas costs" ...

War has become business as usual. Every generation of American can expect to serve in the war machine and personally witness innocence murdered wholesale with brutal expediency. I can't and I won't take it.

While I know many think we need government to resist anarchy, pave the roads etc., I think the opposite especially when the government goes rogue, builds empire and paves those roads over the dead bodies of innocent children. I loathe the U.S. government with every fiber of my being. And I become more anti- social by the minute because the people in the country have become so self- consumed that they see the dead bodies as a common occurrence like a TV series without any consideration for the sanctity of life unless it's theirs.

So, forgive me if I excuse myself from this social abomination and refuse to participate in its fraud, theft and murder. I don't care what the costs are personally because I always consider the scripture that admonsishes us to fear not he who can kill the body but he that can destroy the soul.

The attention being given and the money spent to promote the farcical comedy of electing people not even qualified to be the prom king and queen, while humanity is ignored suggests a void exists in the soul of mankind.

The glaring hypocrisy that goes unanswered by the people when a corporation is given a tax waiver in the millions through some lobbyist and greedy politicians, while a waitress working at a greasy spoon has her little pittance of a paycheck reduced (taxed) to support the politician taking bribes instead of buying her kid a pair of shoes, turns my stomach.

The government has become a bully rather than a servant. People fear the government that is directed to protect them. Happy smiling hypocrits waive at the throngs of idiots that they will abuse as soon as they're elected, and the people are too stupid to quit "returning to their own vomit". I have simplified my approach to the current U.S. government to 2 words ... fuck you !

How can we get everyone on the same page at the same time ... when oppression reaches an unbearable level the people will be forced to resist it or die. This oppression is not uncommon, it's just uncommon in our country in our life times.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-06   6:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: rowdee (#103)

it was a part of the decorations

a token of appreciation

What about pics, or stuffed critters

whatever you want to tell yourself.

angle  posted on  2008-09-06   19:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: angle (#108)

Yeah..........wherever the truth of the matter lies.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-07   17:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: rowdee (#109)

wherever the truth of the matter lies

Yep. However, the truth looks to be a little shaky on the Palin side of the equation, to my read.

angle  posted on  2008-09-07   17:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: rowdee (#109)

Dee, please understand that I am pro-Christian, but anti-government. This guides my impressions of politicians. Bush's failures have only solidified this perspective in my mind. I realize it's a dilemma, and I respect your value for Palin's exhibited values thus far.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-07   17:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: noone222 (#107)

Brilliant - thank you for this reply.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-07   18:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: buckeye (#111)

I'm not exactly the greatest fan of gubmint myself, buckeye!

I am, however, always searching for the truth........that is what counts in my book.

We will never have perfection in elected officials, regardless of who got in if there were free and fair elections! Period. I guarantee you Ron Paul's shit, so to speak, will/would have stink to it--though some would try to convince others it was some sort of new perfume.

I think it incumbent upon us to seek the truth, to sift and sort through the bullshit to arrive at the best conclusion.

We just now saw the crap with the BO is admitting he's a muslim, when he did no such thing----that crap stinks regardless of which side of the aisle it comes from. I'm not defending beloved BO---I want the truth, not the bullshit that was being peddled over that. Crap, the way that was cut and doctored, should make the most jaded of jaded folks stop and think about just how lying, slimy, lying, slimy it has all become. The truth is so distorted and manipulated that people are grasping at anything and everything--true or not--so as to favor how they feel about life/government/politics in general.

I can't believe this board has devolved to all the negativism it has---it seems like most everyone here would hate their own mother in their bitterness and sour grape lifestyle.

JMO.......

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-07   19:25:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: rowdee (#113)

We just now saw the crap with the BO is admitting he's a muslim, when he did no such thing-

Yes he did. Its called a Freudian slip. Quit pimping for Obama. Its beneath you.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-07   19:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: rowdee (#113)

We just now saw the crap with the BO is admitting he's a muslim, when he did no such thing--

Here maybe you weren't paying attention. Listen carefully. "his muslim faith". That can't mean anything but he is a muslim. That is ok. He should just be honest about it and quit lying. There is no religious test to the office of President.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-07   19:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Old Friend (#115)

He should just be honest about it and quit lying.

You can't run for the highest selected office in AmeriKa without being a committed LIAR.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-07   19:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: rowdee (#113)

I can't believe this board has devolved to all the negativism it has...

Variety of posters makes it more difficult for one faction's darker interpretations to be accepted as gospel by all. You point out the folly in my posts, and I point out what folly I see in someone else's. When we all agree that there's a problem, then that's kind of a good sign that we're seeing things accurately.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-07   19:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Old Friend (#114)

Yes he did. Its called a Freudian slip. Quit pimping for Obama. Its beneath you.

And pimping for mcCain is beneath you, Old Friend.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-07   19:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Rotara (#118)

And pimping for mcCain is beneath you, Old Friend.

Fair enough.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-07   19:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: All (#119) (Edited)

And pimping for mcCain is beneath you, Old Friend.

I admit my preference. I'm not pretending to not like Obama and cover for him.

Not that I like McCain to much. But at least the culture will be pretty much the same and less multicultural then if Obama were to get in there. If Obama does by chance get in there. I hope that I am wrong about him. I will give him a chance and see what he actually does.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-07   19:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Old Friend (#120)

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Posted by Jake in Uncategorized |

Our new friend, who shall remain nameless for the moment, has made the moderately insane commitment to watch every second of the two conventions this year. Through that effort she made this great catch…

Raza Development Fund president & CEO is godfather of McCain’s son

I write this at the end of Day 3 (Wednesday) of the Republican National Convention.

As if Juan Hernandez wasn’t enough!

A new concern has arisen regarding John McCain. (At least, it’s new to me.) I caught this while watching the Republican National Convention on Tuesday.

McCain seems to have closer ties to La Raza and Raza Development Fund than I had hitherto been aware. The president and CEO of Raza Development Fund stated in his convention speech that he is the godfather of one of John and Cindy McCain’s children.

In the Republican National Convention speaker lineup yesterday (Tues. 9/2), a man named Tom Espinoza (”Tommy”) spoke.

According to the RNC website, Espinoza’s bio was given as follows:
http://portal.gopconvention2008.com/people/details.aspx?id=434

Tommy Espinoza
President/CEO, Raza Development Fund, Inc.
BIOGRAPHY OF TOMMY ESPINOZA:
Of Phoenix, Arizona

The Raza Development Fund, Inc. (”RDF”) is a support corporation of the National Council of La Raza, (”NCLR”), and was established in 1998 as the community development lending arm for NCLR. The mission of RDF’s Hope Fund is to provide flexible but high-quality loans, along with technical assistance, to entities that provide services and opportunities to low-income Latino families, and is consistent and complimentary to the mission of NCLR, which is to reduce poverty and discrimination while improving life opportunities for Latinos.

An archived video of Espinoza’s speech is here.

And here is the text of his speech.

In the text, Espinoza states that he is the godfather of John & Cindy McCain’s son:

I first met John and Cindy McCain 25 years ago …

We’ve built a deep friendship, and I’m honored to be the godfather to John and Cindy’s son … JIMMIE.

This Wikipedia article on McCain gives the birth year of their son James as 1988:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

If McCain met Espinoza 25 years ago, McCain and Espinoza would have met in approximately 1983. At this time, McCain would have been in the U.S. House of Representatives. (McCain went to the Senate in 1986.) The rough math gives McCain and Espinoza as having known each other approximately five years when the child James was born.

The Raza Development Fund website is here:
http://www.razafund.org/

It has a page of “Investors and Funders” here:
http://www.razafund.org/backing/index.html

Founding Investors
Bank of America
State Farm Insurance Company
Fannie Mae Foundation

Investing/Lending Partners
Citibank, NA
JP Morgan Chase
Allstate Insurance Company
Prudential Social Investment
Washington Mutual
Wachovia

Board of Directors
Raul Yzaquirre Chairman of the Board, Presidential Professor of Practice in Community Development and Civil Rights, Arizona State University
Tom Espinoza President and CEO, Raza Development Fund
Janet Murguia President and CEO, National Council of la Raza
Charles Kamasaki Executive Vice President, NCLR & RDF Board Treasurer
James Feild Senior Vice President, Bank of America
Kim Latimer-Nelligan Director of National Lending, Citibank (C.D.)
Art Ruiz Federal Affairs Director, State Farm Insurance Companies
Roldan Trujillo Senior Manager, Inter-American Investment Corporation (IIC)
Joseph F Reilly President and CEO, Community Development Trust
Arabella Martinez Retired President/CEO Unity Council

This could go a long way in explaning why I have not yet heard any of the convention speakers talk about SECURING OUR BORDERS…let alone ending illegal immigration!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-07   20:02:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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