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Title: Sarah Palin Needs to Step Aside ... And James Dobson Is Just a Sorry Religious Hustler
Source: The Fountain of Truth
URL Source: http://www.geocities.com/fountoftruth/palin.html
Published: Sep 6, 2008
Author: Doug Newman
Post Date: 2008-09-06 01:01:47 by snoopdougg
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Views: 17142
Comments: 147

I commend Bristol Palin on deciding to go through with her pregnancy and her plans to marry Levi Johnston. I also commend Sarah Palin for not rushing her daughter off to an abortionist because a pregnant, unwed 17-year-old daughter might tarnish her political image.

That said, Sarah Palin needs to step aside and let someone else be John McCain’s vice presidential nominee.

In a constitutional world, vice presidents would have a simple job with just two duties: break ties in the Senate and hope and pray that the president doesn’t meet an untimely demise.

We do not live in such a world. The vice presidency, like every other aspect of the federal government, has grown grotesquely out of control. Indeed, you can safely say that George HW Bush ran the show for Reagan and Dick Cheney has done likewise for Dubya.

By accepting John McCain’s offer, Sarah Palin stepped out of the relative serenity of Juneau -- 31,000 people and two McDonald's -- and into a political shark tank that will only become infinitely more unforgiving in the coming months and years.

Is it “unfair” that Palin’s personal life is being so heavily scrutinized? Was it "unfair" when so many people made so much of Bill Clinton's personal life? (And why do we hear next to nothing about John McCain’s sordid, philandering past?) Every politician ought to have their life pried apart in such a fashion. Especially in today’s world when you consider how intrusively they micromanage our lives. Have you filled out one of their 1040s recently?

No human being ought to be entrusted with as much power as we allow our presidents and VPs. When you pull back the curtain and you meet these Great and Powerful Ozzes, you find bumbling incompetent fools. They are no better or smarter than you or I. Why are we so desperate to elevate these people to such levels of power and glory?

I have heard people ask what would happen had Bristol Palin been a black girl in the ghetto. She no doubt would not have the financial cushion she will very likely have access to. She would be been written off by all the Republican media jabberers as a product of 75 years of liberalism. But no-o-o-o-o. Her mom has just been tapped to run as VP representing the GOP, which many think stands for God’s Official Party. So just sit down and shut up if you have any questions about anyone's personal life.

It is bad enough that family breakdown has produced such tragic results in the inner city. How many prison inmates and gang bangers came from a stable family environment with both Mom and Dad having a solid influence in their lives?

While suburban kids might not face the same financial challenges as their ghetto counterparts, I have seen too many bad things happen when parents overemphasize careers at the expense of their children. Time and again, I have seen kids from affluent suburban backgrounds in places like the Jersey Shore, north suburban Phoenix and south suburban Denver go off the deep end. In every case, there was a dearth of parental involvement at home.

Yes, plenty of kids of dysfunctional homes have turned out just fine. But when a kid's life spins out of control, they almost always have had more than a few issues at home.

The fallout for these kids manifests itself in numerous ways, with teen pregnancy being just one of them. What did Sarah Palin sacrifice to advance her political career? I am not judging or condemning. I am just asking.

A hundred years ago, it was perfectly legal for a 10-year-old to walk into a drug store, plop down cash and buy heroin. And we had no drug problem! Why? Because parents and churches had a far stronger influence instilling morals and responsibility in children.

Today, the divorce rate is well over 50 percent, too many parents run off in every direction imaginable at the expense of their children, and way too many preachers think and talk like politicians whining, weeping and wailing about how the government doesn’t do enough to solve problems. America’s moral collapse has less to do with a "failure of government" than a failure of way too many people to heed the words of a bumper sticker one sees from time to time along Colorado’s Front Range: “Focus on your own damn family.” (More on the Focus thing in a few paragraphs.)

I have never raised kids, so anything I say on the subject is just an opinion and worth no more than you are paying me for it. However, I am going to pretend for a minute that I write an advice column.

"Dear Dougie,

“I have been a successful professional woman for the last 15 years. I earn $175,000 annually. Recently, I received an offer from a competitor that would more than double my income, but would also require almost constant travel. I have a four-month-old daughter with Downs Syndrome and a 17-year-old daughter who is four months pregnant. What should I do?”

-- Tempted in Scarsdale

"Dear Tempted,

“Family comes first. No one can adequately substitute for your influence and presence around the home. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Children spell love T-I-M-E. (1) You should reject this financially tantalizing offer and tend to your most important duties, i.e. those of a mother.”

As VP, Sarah Palin would be one heartbeat away from the presidency. Should something happen to a President McCain early on in his administration, can you imagine this scenario that I heard on the radio the other day?

“Madame President! You have a call on the red phone from Russia!”

 “Could you please take a message? I am changing a diaper.”

You only have 24 hours in a day. Something has to give. Sarah Palin has children that desparately need her presence right now. The Palin family cannot afford this.

I am just asking questions about a vice presidential nominee that are asked all the time about families out here in real life. America doesn’t suffer from a “lack of leadership in Washington” – barf -- nearly as much as it does from family breakdown. No president or “policy” can reverse this. Politics is merely a great big game of “let’s pretend”. The “family values” agenda is no exception.

Enter James Dobson of Focus on the Family. I used to have a lot of respect for Dobson back when his main focus, if you will, was on families, marriage, child rearing and Christian morals and values. Occasionally, he gave you a political opinion. That was his prerogative.

Then, he joined Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and the rest of the Religious Right and yoked himself unequally with some of the most un-Christlike people you can imagine. Millions of Christians followed him by drinking this Kool-Aid.

Earlier this year, Dobson said there was no way he could support John McCain for president. Then, he warmed up to the idea. Now, with the Palin nomination, Dobson and Focus have jumped right on board. Tom Minnery, a senior Focus official cited “’the pro-life, pro-family platform adopted by the party,’ and the selection of Palin.”

If she becomes VP, Sarah Palin is going to have to make some serious sacrifices in the family department. She stands to be gone from them almost continuously for up to eight years. Her "values" will have to be put on hold.

Don’t dare think that Sarah Palin is Ron Paul Lite. Establishment Republicans went out of their way to deny Ron Paul's very existence. There is no way they would pick anyone of his ilk to be VP.

Dobson has become just one more sorry religious hustler. While, he may not have a fleet of Lamborghinis or a private jet, he has used his Christian influence for a most un-Christian purpose: seducing millions of Christians into endorsing evil in high places. To hear some people talk here in Colorado, Dobson's words have the weight of Holy Writ.

I got an e-mail recently from someone who thought that Dobson actually supported McCain the whole time and that he just wanted to be schmoozed. I can get with that. Dobson positively basks in his newfound role of Christian political crusader.

Sarah Palin needs to step aside. In the eyes of God, her duties as a mother are far more important than her political career. In so doing, she would be a far greater role model -- and a far greater antithesis to Hillary Clinton -- than she could ever be as VP. Edward VIII abdicated the British throne “for the woman he loved.” Why can’t Sarah Palin do likewise for the sake of her family?

One of our earliest lurches away from true constitutionalism was the Twelfth Amendment. Until then, the VP was not the president’s running mate, but the person who got the second most votes in the Electoral College. If they had radically differing philosophies, oh well. This served as a brake on executive power.

Now, the VP’s role is to do the will of the president. Whatever independent, libertarian or constitutionalist principles Sarah Palin may have held must now be subordinated to the will of John McCain. In the words of Lew Rockwell:

"When a decent person accepts a job such as vice president, our first instinct is to celebrate that good people are in a position of power and influence. This is what the McCain campaign is counting on. But this is an illusion. The influence runs completely the other way. Good people become part of the party machine and surrender all their principles in order to survive.

“We are speaking here of the leviathan state that lives on a lie. To be part of that, you too must become part of the lie. It is perhaps possible to be the governor of a small state such as Alaska and not be part of the machine. It is not possible to be vice president of the United State and not enter into the deeply immoral arena that values the burying of all principle, and saying and doing whatever is necessary to bolster power.”

Sarah Palin is walking into the gears of a machine that will grind her into pieces for its own ends. It will require enormous courage for her to walk away with her soul intact. Yet this is what she needs to do and do now if she truly is the genuine article.


(1) While these last two sentences do not contain my original ideas, I sure wish they were.


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#78. To: Jethro Tull (#75)

THE AUDACITY OF DOUCHE

Perfect!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   11:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom, Ferret Mike (#63)

Vast, you know I respect the pro-Obama crowd a great deal. I don't want to know how you've voted as that is personal and private, and sacred. But it would be very easy for someone who had only ever voted one party to come to the conclusion that the problems we face were mostly the other party's fault.

Think about that.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-06   11:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#77) (Edited)

I view it more like... an earthquake just started to shake the house.

You're either dropping acid on your way through life or you're insane.

Of course, it's looking like you're a World socialist hired hand. Which infers at least a form of sociopathy in and of itself.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   11:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#77)

And, no, the house did not collapse but large chunks of the ceiling in the room he jumped from did drop on the floor.

1999: You sound like you should vote for Booooosh over sKerry based on the currently available datum. Lesser evil on paper and all.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   11:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: buckeye (#79)

For prez, I voted thusly: Bush, Bush, Dole, Buchanan, Kerry.

Is this good?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-06   11:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#82)

For prez, I voted thusly: Bush, Bush, Dole, Buchanan, Kerry.

Is this good?

Oh, then you're due for a mcBama vote in '08!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   11:52:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#82)

Bush, Bush, Dole, Buchanan, Kerry.

I have voted for Reagan, Reagan, Bush I, Marrou, Browne, Browne, Badnarik.

This year I will either write in Ron Paul or, as write-ins are tricky here in Colorado, I will vote for Chuck Baldwin.

The Fountain of Truth

snoopdougg  posted on  2008-09-06   11:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#82)

Is this good?

Well you've come to different conclusions than I have about the political system. So my suggestion wasn't helpful. If Kerry had won in 2004, I'd bet that we'd still be in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'd still be shaking the saber at Russia over South Ossetia. We'd still be tasing protesters at national conventions. And we'd still be spying on Americans.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-06   11:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#82)

For prez, I voted thusly: Bush, Bush, Dole, Buchanan, Kerry.

Looking back at this motley crew of frauds, lobbyists, and political street walkers, your votes (if they were indeed counted) were a complete and total waste of energy, time and gas.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-06   11:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeye (#85)

. If Kerry had won in 2004, I'd bet that we'd still be in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'd still be shaking the saber at Russia over South Ossetia. We'd still be tasing protesters at national conventions. And we'd still be spying on Americans

Amen brother and amen.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   11:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Jethro Tull (#86)

(if they were indeed counted)

RIGGED USA ELECTIONS EXPOSED (testimony)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   12:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Cynicom (#87)

If Kerry had won in 2004, I'd bet that we'd still be in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'd still be shaking the saber at Russia over South Ossetia. We'd still be tasing protesters at national conventions. And we'd still be spying on Americans

Amen brother and amen.

Would we still have firearms?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   12:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Rotara (#89)

Would we still have firearms?

Yes...

The "government" has not configured a fail safe method of requiring all firearms to be confiscated.

Myself, I suspect they would need some national emergency, who knows what that might be, to convince most law abiding citizens turn in their weapons, and then use fear and force on the rest of us.

It will be interesting to see which comes first, a draft, weapons seizure, or gold confiscation. My odds are on a draft.

Partisan voters will be unhappy.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   12:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Cynicom (#90)

They'll let us keep our guns, but they'll ration ammo. Eventually, should Vast get enough OBingo's in place, they'll stop distributing it altogether.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-06   12:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Cynicom (#90)

I should have put in the -end sarcasm- tag, forgive me. ;-)

I was hoping to draw in a PILE with a lame rise about RKBA and this vote. HA!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   12:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Jethro Tull (#91)

They'll let us keep our guns, but they'll ration ammo. Eventually, should Vast get enough OBingo's in place, they'll stop distributing it altogether.

NOLA was a wake up call for a lot of people. And sure as s#it don't engage all by your lonesome unless you have a 'dynamic' plan.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   12:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Rotara (#93)

I have a plan that would make William Ayres proud.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-06   12:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Jethro Tull (#94)

I have a plan that would make William Ayres proud.

Nice.

I have 3. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   12:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Cynicom (#90)

I think this obsession you have with a draft is wishful thinking on your part.

House.gov doesn't want it. Senate.gov doesn't want it. WhiteHouse.gov doesn't want it. "All branches of the armed services".mil do not want it.

Morever, the "defense" contractors, the .com part of the equation (Blackwater, Halliburton, etc.), would not profit from a return to conscription.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-09-06   12:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Sam Houston, Cynicom (#96)

I don't see a draft, I see a North American Union that draws on lots of brown people that eats beans and rice and tortillas habitually to fight nwo wars.

I also see agreements in place to bring Canadians to police the central zone of the NAU (formerly known as America) and carry out martial law for the Police State.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   12:56:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   12:58:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Jethro Tull (#94)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:03:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: All (#99)

play ball

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: buckeye (#85)

If Kerry had won in 2004, I'd bet that we'd still be in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'd still be shaking the saber at Russia over South Ossetia. We'd still be tasing protesters at national conventions. And we'd still be spying on Americans.

And... did you win your bets or did you lose? Oh... it's impossible to know.

Thank you very much.

I can see how we could be an infinitesimal part of an infinite collection of alternative universes if it turns out that, quite possibly, two versions of reality are born every time a quark decides to go right or left, or an atom would either spit out a photon or stay dark for a while longer. If that was the case, then, there would be an infinite number of alternative universes where all your dreams were true, or... maybe not, given that the likelihood of certain outcomes, such you doing that Russian tennis babe, would be infinitely small even though some other outcomes such as you doing time for indecent exposure would be quite likely.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-06   13:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Enderby (#3)

Did you read the piece? Who (before you) said anything about McC getting rid of Palin?

The author thinks she should step aside, which she would not do unless McCain agreed to it. The public would think he's getting rid of her. So, I repeat, the author is a loon who does not understand politics.

Freeper: I read, but do not understand, write, but make no sense, think, but nothing happens.

Turtle  posted on  2008-09-06   13:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Palin gave one of the better convention speeches I can remember. I also loved Buchanan's in '92 in Houston

"It's gone from the love that dare not speak its name to the love that won't shutup!"

"What're they gonna do on Earth Day? Eat Dirt?"

Lines of Pat's I remember. Some of the best.

My, what a sexist piece.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-06   13:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#101)

And... did you win your bets or did you lose?

All bets on the lauded mainstays of liberty (the vote and the press) have been losing propositions so far.

I can see how we could be an infinitesimal part of an infinite collection of alternative universes if it turns out that, quite possibly, two versions of reality are born every time a quark decides to go right or left, or an atom would either spit out a photon or stay dark for a while longer.
You lost me there at the word "infinitesimal."

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-06   13:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Sam Houston, peppa, lodwick, christine, jethro tull, ALL (#96)

I think this obsession you have with a draft is wishful thinking on your part.

In the late 1930s...

Roosevelt guaranteed he would never send American boys to fight foreign wars. ( I remember his assurances only too well)

The House did not want a draft.

The Senate did not want a draft.

The people did not want a draft.

The military DID want a draft. (Because they knew what was coming)

First peacetime draft in American history Sam. No war, but a draft, we found that odd.

The bill passed by one vote, FDR signed two days later, turns out Sam, they were all lying except the military.

We were assured it was for American homeland defense, does that sound familiar? Off went the cannon fodder Sam, by the hundreds of thousands. Then by golly, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, invaded American territory and our government invaded North Africa...Does that ring a bell Sam. Do you think just maybe all those good folks at the top were lying????

Then the boys went by the millions Sam, 16 million to be exact. All men to age 65 were forced under law to register, my Grandfather born in 1878 was one. My brother was conscripted early and never came back. My other brother was hauled in as a draft dodger, their mistake, he was only 17.

Then in 1948, once again everyone was against a draft, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT OUT ONCE AGAIN AND IT GOT ME. There was NO war, but they were getting prepared for one and we invaded Korea. I didnt even know where it was.

Sam, history is a harsh teacher, people lie and if you disregard history, you do so at your own peril.

Obsession Sam???? Been there did that twice, lost both times. Trust the government if you like however I hope you are over 65. If not be careful of what you deny.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#101)

such you doing that Russian tennis babe

The Russian missile silo, Anna Pornokova?

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-06   13:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Rotara (#97)

I see a North American Union

Never happen. Where I live, in Missouri, Mexicans are being arrested and deported (and self-deporting) left and right.

Mexicans aren't white; most are fit only to pick crops and clean bathrooms.

Might as well talk about a North American Union if we had Nigeria on our southern border. That would never happen, either.

Freeper: I read, but do not understand, write, but make no sense, think, but nothing happens.

Turtle  posted on  2008-09-06   13:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Cynicom (#105)

The military DID want a draft.

Ron Paul collected more $$$ from ACTIVE military folk than ALL the neocon candidates COMBINED.

Let the fragging begin!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Turtle (#107)

Never happen. Where I live, in Missouri, Mexicans are being arrested and deported (and self-deporting) left and right.

Mexicans aren't white; most are fit only to pick crops and clean bathrooms.

Might as well talk about a North American Union if we had Nigeria on our southern border. That would never happen, either.

Proof that you're an ignoramus. WADR. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Rotara (#108)

At the end of the charade, I think Obingo was claiming a majority of active duty military donors.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Cynicom (#110)

At the end of the charade, I think Obingo was claiming a majority of active duty military donors.

Ron Paul emphatically reported it this week while in MN.

Dr. Ron would never lie.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Rotara (#111)

Dr. Ron would never lie.

Uhhhh..

Recall Paul withdrew????? Two candidates, McKooK and Obingo. Obingo says he has the most active duty donors from the military.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Cynicom (#112)

Dr. Ron would never lie.

Uhhhh..

Recall Paul withdrew?????

Did he lie?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Cynicom, Sam Houston, peppa, lodwick, christine, jethro tull (#105) (Edited)

Summer of '42

Most able-bodied and minded men were in the "fight." And look at where "victory" has left the American people.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-06   13:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Rotara (#113)

Ask him.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Cynicom. all (#110)

I may join the Unknown Party.

PARTY DESIGNATION

PARTY DESCRIPTION

AIP AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY

AMP AMERICAN PARTY

CIT CITIZENS

CRV CONSERVATIVE PARTY

CST CONSTITUTIONAL

DEM DEMOCRAT PARTY

DFL DEMOCRAT FARM LABOR

GRE GREEN PARTY

IND INDEPENDENT

LAB LABOR

LBR LABOR PARTY

LIB LIBERTARIAN

NLP NATURAL LAW PARTY

NNE NONE

OTH OTHER

REF REFORM PARTY

REP REPUBLICAN PARTY

RTL RIGHT TO LIFE

SWP SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY

TX TAXPAYERS

UNK UNKNOWN

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-06   13:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Cynicom (#115)

Ask him.

Starts @ 19:40

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: buckeye (#114)

More truth than poetry.

My 63 year old Grandfather, a widower, and my 17 year old brother did their part by keeping the husbandless ladies happy and content. Facts of life.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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