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Title: Sarah Palin Needs to Step Aside ... And James Dobson Is Just a Sorry Religious Hustler
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Published: Sep 6, 2008
Author: Doug Newman
Post Date: 2008-09-06 01:01:47 by snoopdougg
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I commend Bristol Palin on deciding to go through with her pregnancy and her plans to marry Levi Johnston. I also commend Sarah Palin for not rushing her daughter off to an abortionist because a pregnant, unwed 17-year-old daughter might tarnish her political image. That said, Sarah Palin needs to step aside and let someone else be John McCain’s vice presidential nominee. In a constitutional world, vice presidents would have a simple job with just two duties: break ties in the Senate and hope and pray that the president doesn’t meet an untimely demise. We do not live in such a world. The vice presidency, like every other aspect of the federal government, has grown grotesquely out of control. Indeed, you can safely say that George HW Bush ran the show for Reagan and Dick Cheney has done likewise for Dubya. By accepting John McCain’s offer, Sarah Palin stepped out of the relative serenity of Juneau -- 31,000 people and two McDonald's -- and into a political shark tank that will only become infinitely more unforgiving in the coming months and years. Is it “unfair” that Palin’s personal life is being so heavily scrutinized? Was it "unfair" when so many people made so much of Bill Clinton's personal life? (And why do we hear next to nothing about John McCain’s sordid, philandering past?) Every politician ought to have their life pried apart in such a fashion. Especially in today’s world when you consider how intrusively they micromanage our lives. Have you filled out one of their 1040s recently? No human being ought to be entrusted with as much power as we allow our presidents and VPs. When you pull back the curtain and you meet these Great and Powerful Ozzes, you find bumbling incompetent fools. They are no better or smarter than you or I. Why are we so desperate to elevate these people to such levels of power and glory? I have heard people ask what would happen had Bristol Palin been a black girl in the ghetto. She no doubt would not have the financial cushion she will very likely have access to. She would be been written off by all the Republican media jabberers as a product of 75 years of liberalism. But no-o-o-o-o. Her mom has just been tapped to run as VP representing the GOP, which many think stands for God’s Official Party. So just sit down and shut up if you have any questions about anyone's personal life. It is bad enough that family breakdown has produced such tragic results in the inner city. How many prison inmates and gang bangers came from a stable family environment with both Mom and Dad having a solid influence in their lives? While suburban kids might not face the same financial challenges as their ghetto counterparts, I have seen too many bad things happen when parents overemphasize careers at the expense of their children. Time and again, I have seen kids from affluent suburban backgrounds in places like the Jersey Shore, north suburban Phoenix and south suburban Denver go off the deep end. In every case, there was a dearth of parental involvement at home. Yes, plenty of kids of dysfunctional homes have turned out just fine. But when a kid's life spins out of control, they almost always have had more than a few issues at home. The fallout for these kids manifests itself in numerous ways, with teen pregnancy being just one of them. What did Sarah Palin sacrifice to advance her political career? I am not judging or condemning. I am just asking. A hundred years ago, it was perfectly legal for a 10-year-old to walk into a drug store, plop down cash and buy heroin. And we had no drug problem! Why? Because parents and churches had a far stronger influence instilling morals and responsibility in children. Today, the divorce rate is well over 50 percent, too many parents run off in every direction imaginable at the expense of their children, and way too many preachers think and talk like politicians whining, weeping and wailing about how the government doesn’t do enough to solve problems. America’s moral collapse has less to do with a "failure of government" than a failure of way too many people to heed the words of a bumper sticker one sees from time to time along Colorado’s Front Range: “Focus on your own damn family.” (More on the Focus thing in a few paragraphs.) I have never raised kids, so anything I say on the subject is just an opinion and worth no more than you are paying me for it. However, I am going to pretend for a minute that I write an advice column. "Dear Dougie, “I have been a successful professional woman for the last 15 years. I earn $175,000 annually. Recently, I received an offer from a competitor that would more than double my income, but would also require almost constant travel. I have a four-month-old daughter with Downs Syndrome and a 17-year-old daughter who is four months pregnant. What should I do?” -- Tempted in Scarsdale "Dear Tempted, “Family comes first. No one can adequately substitute for your influence and presence around the home. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Children spell love T-I-M-E. (1) You should reject this financially tantalizing offer and tend to your most important duties, i.e. those of a mother.” As VP, Sarah Palin would be one heartbeat away from the presidency. Should something happen to a President McCain early on in his administration, can you imagine this scenario that I heard on the radio the other day? “Madame President! You have a call on the red phone from Russia!” “Could you please take a message? I am changing a diaper.” You only have 24 hours in a day. Something has to give. Sarah Palin has children that desparately need her presence right now. The Palin family cannot afford this. I am just asking questions about a vice presidential nominee that are asked all the time about families out here in real life. America doesn’t suffer from a “lack of leadership in Washington” – barf -- nearly as much as it does from family breakdown. No president or “policy” can reverse this. Politics is merely a great big game of “let’s pretend”. The “family values” agenda is no exception. Enter James Dobson of Focus on the Family. I used to have a lot of respect for Dobson back when his main focus, if you will, was on families, marriage, child rearing and Christian morals and values. Occasionally, he gave you a political opinion. That was his prerogative. Then, he joined Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and the rest of the Religious Right and yoked himself unequally with some of the most un-Christlike people you can imagine. Millions of Christians followed him by drinking this Kool-Aid. Earlier this year, Dobson said there was no way he could support John McCain for president. Then, he warmed up to the idea. Now, with the Palin nomination, Dobson and Focus have jumped right on board. Tom Minnery, a senior Focus official cited “’the pro-life, pro-family platform adopted by the party,’ and the selection of Palin.” If she becomes VP, Sarah Palin is going to have to make some serious sacrifices in the family department. She stands to be gone from them almost continuously for up to eight years. Her "values" will have to be put on hold. Don’t dare think that Sarah Palin is Ron Paul Lite. Establishment Republicans went out of their way to deny Ron Paul's very existence. There is no way they would pick anyone of his ilk to be VP. Dobson has become just one more sorry religious hustler. While, he may not have a fleet of Lamborghinis or a private jet, he has used his Christian influence for a most un-Christian purpose: seducing millions of Christians into endorsing evil in high places. To hear some people talk here in Colorado, Dobson's words have the weight of Holy Writ. I got an e-mail recently from someone who thought that Dobson actually supported McCain the whole time and that he just wanted to be schmoozed. I can get with that. Dobson positively basks in his newfound role of Christian political crusader. Sarah Palin needs to step aside. In the eyes of God, her duties as a mother are far more important than her political career. In so doing, she would be a far greater role model -- and a far greater antithesis to Hillary Clinton -- than she could ever be as VP. Edward VIII abdicated the British throne “for the woman he loved.” Why can’t Sarah Palin do likewise for the sake of her family? One of our earliest lurches away from true constitutionalism was the Twelfth Amendment. Until then, the VP was not the president’s running mate, but the person who got the second most votes in the Electoral College. If they had radically differing philosophies, oh well. This served as a brake on executive power. Now, the VP’s role is to do the will of the president. Whatever independent, libertarian or constitutionalist principles Sarah Palin may have held must now be subordinated to the will of John McCain. In the words of Lew Rockwell: "When a decent person accepts a job such as vice president, our first instinct is to celebrate that good people are in a position of power and influence. This is what the McCain campaign is counting on. But this is an illusion. The influence runs completely the other way. Good people become part of the party machine and surrender all their principles in order to survive. “We are speaking here of the leviathan state that lives on a lie. To be part of that, you too must become part of the lie. It is perhaps possible to be the governor of a small state such as Alaska and not be part of the machine. It is not possible to be vice president of the United State and not enter into the deeply immoral arena that values the burying of all principle, and saying and doing whatever is necessary to bolster power.” Sarah Palin is walking into the gears of a machine that will grind her into pieces for its own ends. It will require enormous courage for her to walk away with her soul intact. Yet this is what she needs to do and do now if she truly is the genuine article. (1) While these last two sentences do not contain my original ideas, I sure wish they were. If you would like to post this, please e-mail me and include this URL.
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MCCain needs Sarah Palin. If she quit, he would lose the race. Obama would destroy America. Of course McCain would also destroy America. I just hopw he falls down a well after election day and before 1-20-2009.
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The author is a complete loon if he thinks McCain is going to get rid of Palin after just choosing her.
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Did you read the piece? Who (before you) said anything about McC getting rid of Palin?
- - - - - - - - - - - It's so funny to watch the stoopids (aka 'the conversatives') doing their conversative dance macabre. It begins with their screaming their lungs off, swearing that never-ever, for as long as they live, are they going to support freaking homosexualist liberals such as McCain. Then, once McCain gets the nomination, they quickly jump into neutral while secretly searching for ways to enthusiastically support their favorite traitor without losing much face. The final stage is where, once they find some ridiculous 'reason' to support the creep, they offer their backsides wide open, begging to be penetrated. Dobson is one of them. And, anyone who believes that Rush or Honeybee are not going to enthusiastically vote for McFreak and his prop babe must be in a reality-denying mode or uninformed or completely brainwashed - if that which was washed could qualify to be called a brain. It is also funny to watch some of this site membership, gently swinging into the McCain-loving camp. They are, oh yes, proud patriots and unflinching conversatives, or maybe freedom-loving libertarians but, in the end, they are going to beg everyone else to help bring McCain into the White House and therefore save the nation. And I like it because, after all, what America is really all about is... massive entertainment.
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hi Enderby, it's nice to see you again. hope all is well. :)
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Hi, Christine! Same-old same-old for me. The semester started a couple of weeks ago, so now I have the night job again along with the day job. "No rest for the wicked" ... and that's me! How about your lovely self?
- - - - - - - - - - - I would say it may matter little who gets elected President if the Democrats get 60 member plus majority in the Senate and if they do expect quick passage of many bills now stalled Hate Crimes,Amnesty,Gun Control etc
Pastor Ted left a big hole.
You are so right! I had a good laugh, 'way back in the spring, when Dobson was saying he'd never-ever-ever support Ol' Grampaw Angry-Pants. Dobson is nothing more than the elephant's bee-yotch, dyed in the wool, and he's no more able to stop pimping for the pachyderm than he's able to stop breathing air. McNasty should've just publicly laughed at him. As should everyone else, now.
- - - - - - - - - - - The Demos got a comfy majority in the House after last erection. And, all they did was dance to Cheney's tune while loudly deploring their manifest impotence.
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Hmmmm ... several levels of meaning there, I think. A big, smelly hole, maybe.
- - - - - - - - - - - "When a decent person accepts a job such as vice president, our first instinct is to celebrate that good people are in a position of power and influence. This is what the McCain campaign is counting on. But this is an illusion. The influence runs completely the other way. Good people become part of the party machine and surrender all their principles in order to survive. “We are speaking here of the leviathan state that lives on a lie. To be part of that, you too must become part of the lie. It is perhaps possible to be the governor of a small state such as Alaska and not be part of the machine. It is not possible to be vice president of the United State and not enter into the deeply immoral arena that values the burying of all principle, and saying and doing whatever is necessary to bolster power.” sage words from Rockwell. doug, i don't think Sarah Palin would consider for a moment stepping down.
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Yeah but thats the House the Senate is where the power is House can do all it wants but unless it's passes the Senate it's dead on arrival EDIT:How silly of me I almost forgot the power of Americas political system is controlled by AIPEC New book about Israel Lobby: Justice Dept`s Battle To Register AIPAC as Foreign Agent By: Israel e News Author: Grant F. Smith About the Book An unforeseen effect of the Iraq war is allowing more Americans to speak freely about the role of the Israel lobby. When and how was it born? While it is generally understood that American interest groups played a crucial role in the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 and supporting politicians who would stand up for Israel, other facts have remained elusive.Grant F. Smith reveals that many of the functions the Israel lobby smoothly and quietly executes in political life today were formed in the late 1950s and early 1960s: the crucial political contributions and unrelenting campaign to convince Americans that Israel and the United States share common interests and enemies
Lieberman wouldn't let her. Not now.
AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/NAACP/FEDERAL RESERVE/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA & HOLLYWOOD: Oh, those Islamofascists.
no way, you're one of the good guys. ;) i'm doing fine, thank you.
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Palin gave one of the better convention speeches I can remember. I also loved Buchanan's in '92 in Houston. These two are the only ones I can actually recall because the rest were so uneventful. The Collective membership should be drawn to her given Biden is a knows Zionist while Palin's allegience at this moment is less certain. This would be true to their political formula for choosing candidates, that is if they haven't all become die hard Dems.
How the Republicans Solved Sarah Palin's Jewish Problem A Lesson Before Lying By IRA GLUNTS Politically powerful American Jews tend to be uncomfortable with evangelical Christians, unless they are the kind that unconditionally support Israeli foreign policy and are members of organizations which send boatloads of money to the Jewish state. Reverend John Hagee and his Christians United For Israel (CUFI) come to mind in this regard. Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin, unlike Hagee, is an evangelical for whom Israel does not play an important role. It did not, at least, until a few days ago when the colorful, gun-toting, Christian conservative Alaska governor stepped on to the national political stage. Suddenly Palin had a Jewish problem. According to critics, she is not sufficiently sensitive to Jewish interests and Israeli security, and may be an anti-Semite. According to the McCain campaign, the solution to this problem was to send Palin, escorted by Senator Joseph (Mr. Right-Wing Jewish American) Lieberman to seek absolution and approval at the throne of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Can you highlight some of the better parts of Palin's speech? You should have no trouble to either produce the memorable quotes or even paraphrase something.
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Without reprinting the entire thing, here's my impression; the tone was upbeat, funny, sarcastic, loaded with direct smack downs to the "community organizer" and his lack of accomplishments. The delivery was a wonderful contrast to the pomposity of your God-Man and his faux Grecian setting.
I have a few memorable quotes from you such as... Paul cant win...Paul cant win... Perhaps if you are idle at the present time, I could dig up some memorable quotes by Obingo about Iran and Israel???? That is if you care to endure them yet again. I also have some from Bidet about your favorite country Israel. Just tryin to help.
Okay, so to summarize, she had nothing to say (the only thing you could remember was her making fun of Obama's being active in a faith-based org), but she said it in a nasty way that made her stupid party feel good about her nasty emptiness.
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Sour stomach again this morning. Short term you mite try tums to sweeten your disposition. Just tryin to help a partisan leftwing nutter that is a friend.
Holy cows!!! Hanna-Barberra is expected to hit us. Probably flood my basement, overfill the pool.
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When Obingo and Bidet are crowned Mr. and Mrs. Amerika and the war is enlarged, a draft is brought out and such, one has to wonder how all of this will be justified? Bush blamed everything on Clinton, dems denied, now Obingo has to blame Bush, seems sort of like a daisy chain here.
I would welcome a draft maybe then Americans will lose it's love affair with everything military
You are correct to a degree. My opinion is from experience. In my years of military time/Korea, I did not meet one man that did not want to go home. Not one exception. We were all there by physical force, not from Americans that loved war, rather by force from a "government" that has not been the servant of the people for a very long time. As you climb the social ladder in this country, you find those that are in control, wage wars and gather wealth. The cannon fodder "Americans" at the bottom have NEVER started a war, we want only to be left alone.
Nasty is your word, not mine. She was funny and liberalism deserves heavy doses of humor and sarcasm. How else does one counter "feelings" and an empty mantra of hope and change :)
I'm thinking Vast is young enough to make the cut afa military service. If not him, he should offer his children to his Obingo God of War.
I have never thought of my decade plus military service as a "noble effort" rather the opposite it took me almost 20 years to have any desire to pick up a rifle even then it brought back bad memories
Dasright. I do remember the GOPs, making fun of them 40 yr. old inner-city grandmothers. Newt used to joke about that a lot. Now, try to do this today and I guarantee you gonna see the GOPs howling in outrage within a millisecond, all that sense of humor gone.
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Her zingers were a riot. The fans of Ceasar are not amused. I'm now trying to figure out if they are racists or sexists. ;) Wouldn't it be great if Sarah dressed up in a toga, with a crown of arugula, sporting sandals, perhaps a stone tablet and dragged in a couple of styrofoam columns to the VP debate? Throw in some thunderbolts.
Now, THAT's entertainment. So, say it again? Obama is the war-lover while McCain is the man of peace. Yes? You're the funny guy, fersure.
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Go way back. Do you recall one of the first abortions by Bush came about with his good friend Teddy Kennedy??? The education bill? I knew then we had been slickered one more time by the system. Many Americans that were paying attention needed Prep H. After Obingo bends his worshippers over a time or two, I wonder if those here will have the honesty to admit it? I aint votin, refuse to be bent over by a Savior or a fake Hero.
Damn...excellent idea. The numbers crunchers say Palin is more popular than the other three system losers, Obingo, Bidet and McKooK. Someone out there is paying attention.
I have another one: how about Palin/McCain both in swimsuits, shown sprinting toward the symbolic 'finish line'.
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The numbers crunchers say Palin is more popular than the other three system losers, Obingo, Bidet and McKooK. Someone out there is paying attention. I think so too. Sarah struck a nerve, even if she didn't write the speech herself. Of course we know only God himself wrote and delivered the word spoken in the human form of Obongo.. so, that's hardly a fair comparison. ;) hehehehe
I hope you are red blooded American enough to at least not let partisan politics blind you to a rather comely young lady??????
Too funny!!! When I saw Obingo a bit earlier I thought for a second that it was Oingo Boingo.
Palins speech... The McKooK crap was injected by others, the rest I would say was hers for one reason, no flowery professional BS artist mouthings. No going to save the world before lunch nonsense.
The final stage is where, once they find some ridiculous 'reason' to support the creep, they offer their backsides wide open, begging to be penetrated. Dobson is one of them. And, anyone who believes that Rush or Honeybee are not going to enthusiastically vote for McFreak and his prop babe must be in a reality-denying mode or uninformed or completely brainwashed - if that which was washed could qualify to be called a brain. It is also funny to watch some of this site membership, gently swinging into the McCain-loving camp. They are, oh yes, proud patriots and unflinching conversatives, or maybe freedom-loving libertarians but, in the end, they are going to beg everyone else to help bring McCain into the White House and therefore save the nation. And I like it because, after all, what America is really all about is... massive entertainment. To quote myself... This is EXACTLY where this thread is moving.
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too funny!!!
I have to admit I stole Bidet from OI..whether he stole it or originated I do not know.. If we get saddled with McKooK it will be the dems fault for throwing the election.
But Vast....I'm not voting. Since you are voting for OBinglo, why not toss some chips into the WOT fray? Yourself? Your 1st born? The Mrs?? Hell, they'll take anyone. Do it man!
Go way back Vast... I have told you many times, why not try adding something of value to any discussion. Lets put us all on the same page for a starter.. Many of us KNOW the government is the enemy. If you cannot come to terms with that very basic premise, then we will never have a decent discussion on anything political.
Are you out of your mind? I don't get your logic but, let's see... - McCain is for peace and Obama is pro war. Is this treatable?
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No going to save the world before lunch nonsense. Good point! That was refreshing.
I'm not going to hold my breath.
My favorite BS line is this from ALL prez hopefuls... "We will get this country moving again".............. Every time I hear that trite saying I cringe.
Indeed, the gov't is the enemy. Therefore, what you must do, if you can do anything, is to act in ways that prevent the government from getting bigger or stronger or at least don't accelerate the move. A McCain government would only accelerate the trend that Clinton/W shepherded. Obama is less likely to continue on that path while McCain is practically certain to give us a strict, war-dedicated, police state. Now, you go ahead and facilitate McCain's victory. I stated in the past that Obama is going to win by a landslide. Maybe I was too optimistic. One 'given' in my calculation was the assumption that those who go out and vote have some basic decency. But, the sad reality is that most of those rushing to vote this coming November are going to be the same people who not only elected Clinton, but they re-elected him. And, later, not only did they elect W, but they re-elected him. So, when you stop assuming that 'basic decency' is part of the equation, because most people lost it, then McCain is more competitive.
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OK...Fine so far... Can we agree that ALL FOUR of the people seeking office are members of the same system????
Yugoslavia?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Sure, they are players in the system. The difference is that McCain is fully assimilated while Obama is only half- assimilated. He has the potential of weakening the system and shaking it a little. McCain has no potential. Once McCain takes over, you can almost take it to the bank that he's going to start a couple of new wars, including one with Russia, hopefully cold. I can't see Obama pushing for more wars. His strategy seems to be: catch Ben Ladin, declare victory, focus on 'domestic' issues. I am not a redistributionist but, between spending a trillion dollars to blow up things and kill people abroad and using that trillion to for domestic giveaways, I'd rather have the latter.
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Of course not! Oboingo Ungawa Mogambo is above all that. Why, He's The Magnificent Majik Mullato Messiah Savior! ALL HAIL M4S!
Doug, not your most thought out piece in a so far great body of work. What do you think the Palins thought they were getting into when they entered the political arena? Maybe you haven't thought out the impact on YOUR family on wasting all your time telling other people how they should live? Maybe you should stop wasting your time worrying about things you have 0% control over and start focusing on things that you actually can control? Have you considered that if NOBODY ever attempts to step into the ring to make a positive impact then nothing will change. I personally believe that if Sarah is a 'change agent' of the patriotic stripe (big and doubtful *IF*), she'll be assimilated in short order. BTW, why shouldn't mcCain, Fobama or JoeHO step down if not for the simple reason that they are all Bilderberg Society approved? Lastly, dobson is worse than a whore. He's a cheap whore. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
you're basing that on false hope. Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
You rank right up there with the most gross posters I've ever encountered on a site of patriots. Were you assigned to Freedom4um by a KOSDUmpsterdiver?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
OK...Doing fine so far. The government being the enemy, the system being the owner/operator of this government, there is NO way an American can support any representative of that system. In silent protest, many of us will not vote. Therefore whatever happens is the responsibility of the partisan believers following the programmed path of the system. Upon the voters rests the burden of what will transpire.
Here you go, 1) I'm not voting
It's more than hope me thinks. It's more than audacity me thinks. The evidence points to World socialist tool and maybe a professional at that.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
that's a good point. altho, the fact that she's already had the AIPAC meeting proves Palin's already been assimilated.
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The government being the enemy, the system being the owner/operator of this government, there is NO way an American can support any representative of that system. In silent protest, many of us will not vote. Therefore whatever happens is the responsibility of the partisan believers following the programmed path of the system. Upon the voters rests the burden of what will transpire. But, but if you don't vote you can't complain! -end cliche-
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
They've been programmed to vote from their first high school civics class and even earlier. And harsh criticism of the government has been discouraged in order to avoid acrimony, the kind that could lead to another time of Great Unpleasantness.
None of us knows the future and no one can fully control the future. However, it is quite clear that certain events are likely to move the overall trend a little to the right or a little to the left - think of how hurricanes move. Within that context, there is very little doubt that McCain is going to bring about more war and waste than his opponent while the growth and the intrusiveness of the welfare state is likely to be the same, regardless of who gets to sit on the throne.
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I wonder if she even knows it. How could she 'vet' affirmatively if she's not Bilderberg-Kosher?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
If thoughts could kill, Vast would be dead meat pushing up daisies. I know, I know. But I'm on a war footing. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
If you aren't on recreational drugs, you should be on 'scrip drugs. Or you're just plain stupid. I don't buy that argument for you though.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Fobama is the black racist AND SELF-PROCLAIMED GREATER WORLD SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST version of mcCain. But you know that. You wascally woild shitizen you. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
buck... Therein lies the problem...The partisan believers are what is propping this government up. Little do they realize that they are indeed programmed. I wont vote...Pub and dem partisans can pick whom they want but I refuse to be part of this master con game. The handful of people at the top laugh at the partisans.
still, the bottom line is if you vote D or R, you're voting for the lesser and it's an endorsement of the fraud thereby making you an accessory to the crime. ;)
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PUNISHABLE BY EXILE TO THE EAST EUROPEAN COMMUNIST S#ITHOLE IT ESCAPED FROM??!!??!!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
My friend, I am somewhat familiar with the works of Socrates. Socrates was a great thinker and I admire him much, I almost view him as a close friend of mine. But you, my other friend, you are no Socrates. Not even by in infinitely long shot.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
THE POMPACITY OF THE VAST FIELD OF DOUCHE!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Admitting the government is the enemy, and then participating and empowering them is beyond credulity. In this light, there will be at least 130 million voters that once again do their patriotic duty and vote. A lot of sheep there. They get sheared every four years, one of these days the government will want more than wool, leg of lamb perhaps.
LOL! You're really making those OBINGELO polyfoam arches a major part of your...err...dialogue :P
THE AUDACITY OF DOUCHE
In this light, there will be at least 130 million voters that once again do their patriotic duty and vote. A lot of sheep there. They get sheared every four years, one of these days the government will want more than wool, leg of lamb perhaps. The sheep will always be with us. As well, some sheep yesterday aren't sheep today!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I view it more like... an earthquake just started to shake the house. You're on the third floor and, by now, the house is shaking so badly, you KNOW that it's going to collapse and you're going to die if you do nothing. The only quick way out is the window. ARE YOU GOING TO JUMP and maybe live or are you going to philosophize about the absolute impermanence of life and agree that everyone is going to die anyway, sooner or later? This is something that actually happened to a friend of mine. He jumped. He broke both legs, spent months in hospitals, then maybe years in physical therapy but he's alive today. He can't drive a car but he's a respected professional in his field of work. And, no, the house did not collapse but large chunks of the ceiling in the room he jumped from did drop on the floor.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Perfect!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Vast, you know I respect the pro-Obama crowd a great deal. I don't want to know how you've voted as that is personal and private, and sacred. But it would be very easy for someone who had only ever voted one party to come to the conclusion that the problems we face were mostly the other party's fault. Think about that.
You're either dropping acid on your way through life or you're insane. Of course, it's looking like you're a World socialist hired hand. Which infers at least a form of sociopathy in and of itself.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
1999: You sound like you should vote for Booooosh over sKerry based on the currently available datum. Lesser evil on paper and all.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
For prez, I voted thusly: Bush, Bush, Dole, Buchanan, Kerry. Is this good?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Is this good? Oh, then you're due for a mcBama vote in '08!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I have voted for Reagan, Reagan, Bush I, Marrou, Browne, Browne, Badnarik. This year I will either write in Ron Paul or, as write-ins are tricky here in Colorado, I will vote for Chuck Baldwin.
Well you've come to different conclusions than I have about the political system. So my suggestion wasn't helpful. If Kerry had won in 2004, I'd bet that we'd still be in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'd still be shaking the saber at Russia over South Ossetia. We'd still be tasing protesters at national conventions. And we'd still be spying on Americans.
Looking back at this motley crew of frauds, lobbyists, and political street walkers, your votes (if they were indeed counted) were a complete and total waste of energy, time and gas.
Amen brother and amen.
RIGGED USA ELECTIONS EXPOSED (testimony) "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Amen brother and amen. Would we still have firearms?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Yes... The "government" has not configured a fail safe method of requiring all firearms to be confiscated. Myself, I suspect they would need some national emergency, who knows what that might be, to convince most law abiding citizens turn in their weapons, and then use fear and force on the rest of us. It will be interesting to see which comes first, a draft, weapons seizure, or gold confiscation. My odds are on a draft. Partisan voters will be unhappy.
They'll let us keep our guns, but they'll ration ammo. Eventually, should Vast get enough OBingo's in place, they'll stop distributing it altogether.
I should have put in the -end sarcasm- tag, forgive me. ;-) I was hoping to draw in a PILE with a lame rise about RKBA and this vote. HA!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
NOLA was a wake up call for a lot of people. And sure as s#it don't engage all by your lonesome unless you have a 'dynamic' plan.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I have a plan that would make William Ayres proud.
Nice. I have 3. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I think this obsession you have with a draft is wishful thinking on your part. House.gov doesn't want it. Senate.gov doesn't want it. WhiteHouse.gov doesn't want it. "All branches of the armed services".mil do not want it. Morever, the "defense" contractors, the .com part of the equation (Blackwater, Halliburton, etc.), would not profit from a return to conscription.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I don't see a draft, I see a North American Union that draws on lots of brown people that eats beans and rice and tortillas habitually to fight nwo wars. I also see agreements in place to bring Canadians to police the central zone of the NAU (formerly known as America) and carry out martial law for the Police State.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
play ball
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
And... did you win your bets or did you lose? Oh... it's impossible to know. Thank you very much. I can see how we could be an infinitesimal part of an infinite collection of alternative universes if it turns out that, quite possibly, two versions of reality are born every time a quark decides to go right or left, or an atom would either spit out a photon or stay dark for a while longer. If that was the case, then, there would be an infinite number of alternative universes where all your dreams were true, or... maybe not, given that the likelihood of certain outcomes, such you doing that Russian tennis babe, would be infinitely small even though some other outcomes such as you doing time for indecent exposure would be quite likely.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
The author thinks she should step aside, which she would not do unless McCain agreed to it. The public would think he's getting rid of her. So, I repeat, the author is a loon who does not understand politics.
Freeper: I read, but do not understand, write, but make no sense, think, but nothing happens.
"It's gone from the love that dare not speak its name to the love that won't shutup!" "What're they gonna do on Earth Day? Eat Dirt?" Lines of Pat's I remember. Some of the best. My, what a sexist piece.
All bets on the lauded mainstays of liberty (the vote and the press) have been losing propositions so far.
In the late 1930s... Roosevelt guaranteed he would never send American boys to fight foreign wars. ( I remember his assurances only too well) The House did not want a draft. The Senate did not want a draft. The people did not want a draft. The military DID want a draft. (Because they knew what was coming) First peacetime draft in American history Sam. No war, but a draft, we found that odd. The bill passed by one vote, FDR signed two days later, turns out Sam, they were all lying except the military. We were assured it was for American homeland defense, does that sound familiar? Off went the cannon fodder Sam, by the hundreds of thousands. Then by golly, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, invaded American territory and our government invaded North Africa...Does that ring a bell Sam. Do you think just maybe all those good folks at the top were lying???? Then the boys went by the millions Sam, 16 million to be exact. All men to age 65 were forced under law to register, my Grandfather born in 1878 was one. My brother was conscripted early and never came back. My other brother was hauled in as a draft dodger, their mistake, he was only 17. Then in 1948, once again everyone was against a draft, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT OUT ONCE AGAIN AND IT GOT ME. There was NO war, but they were getting prepared for one and we invaded Korea. I didnt even know where it was. Sam, history is a harsh teacher, people lie and if you disregard history, you do so at your own peril. Obsession Sam???? Been there did that twice, lost both times. Trust the government if you like however I hope you are over 65. If not be careful of what you deny.
The Russian missile silo, Anna Pornokova?
A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.
Never happen. Where I live, in Missouri, Mexicans are being arrested and deported (and self-deporting) left and right. Mexicans aren't white; most are fit only to pick crops and clean bathrooms. Might as well talk about a North American Union if we had Nigeria on our southern border. That would never happen, either.
Freeper: I read, but do not understand, write, but make no sense, think, but nothing happens.
Ron Paul collected more $$$ from ACTIVE military folk than ALL the neocon candidates COMBINED. Let the fragging begin!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Mexicans aren't white; most are fit only to pick crops and clean bathrooms. Might as well talk about a North American Union if we had Nigeria on our southern border. That would never happen, either. Proof that you're an ignoramus. WADR. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
At the end of the charade, I think Obingo was claiming a majority of active duty military donors.
Ron Paul emphatically reported it this week while in MN. Dr. Ron would never lie.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Uhhhh.. Recall Paul withdrew????? Two candidates, McKooK and Obingo. Obingo says he has the most active duty donors from the military.
Uhhhh.. Recall Paul withdrew????? Did he lie?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Ask him.
PARTY DESIGNATION PARTY DESCRIPTION AIP AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY AMP AMERICAN PARTY CIT CITIZENS CRV CONSERVATIVE PARTY CST CONSTITUTIONAL DEM DEMOCRAT PARTY DFL DEMOCRAT FARM LABOR GRE GREEN PARTY IND INDEPENDENT LAB LABOR LBR LABOR PARTY LIB LIBERTARIAN NLP NATURAL LAW PARTY NNE NONE OTH OTHER REF REFORM PARTY REP REPUBLICAN PARTY RTL RIGHT TO LIFE SWP SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY TX TAXPAYERS UNK UNKNOWN
A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
More truth than poetry. My 63 year old Grandfather, a widower, and my 17 year old brother did their part by keeping the husbandless ladies happy and content. Facts of life.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I have found out that one may not secede personally.
Beautiful video - thanks.
A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.
This was a beautiful film, but the heartache and sorrow were not "pretty." And look at the ethnic redistribution the children and grand children of those who did return have experienced. We did not "win" that war. We're still losing it, and the losses are reported daily in America's newspapers. It's in our crime statistics, our falling birth rates, our suicide reports, and our psychotropic drug dependency. We can stop losing any time we wish. It is up to us.
I don't know how many of us have traveled to Europe, but looking at all the old widows there, made me realize how pointless is war - to the people of the combatant countries. What I'm trying to say is that we lost less, than did they. But what a price we all paid.
A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.
Perhaps you are right. But in terms of liberty, what we lost was far more precious than theirs. And we were supposedly fighting to protect freedom.
Ah, so you're a psychic! Thus the Mind of Palin is as an open book to you. And, by the way, you're correct when you say the author thinks she should step aside. He does not, however, say that he thinks she will do so. Your (repeated) attribution of loonhood to the author is, I think, both immoderate and ugly. And for what it's worth: if she does step aside at this point, I will be assuming it's because McNasty ordered her to walk the plank ... no matter what she may say.
- - - - - - - - - - - I'm old enough not to worry about this, but you are ignoring what I am saying. It does not PAY to bring back the draft. Our legislators are owned by the contractors. Follow the money.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
It does not PAY to bring back the draft. Our legislators are owned by the contractors. Follow the money. Sam... Ignore???? correct me if I am wrong, you said something about an obsession????
Please read the following. It's not news, but it might be to some. The 'draft', can be ushered in under another name... such as "Universal Voluntary Public Service." It seems to me every definition in politics has been redefined successfully, and such things as social justice (reparations/redistribution) is exactly the school where Obama spent his life before running for President. =============== capoliticalnews.com/s/spip.php?article807 Obama Plans National Draft for ALL Americans Thursday 31 July 2008, by admin This is exciting. The Federal government, under President Obama could force a Catholic Nun to work for Planned Parenthood, or any other "non-profit" vendor for the Federal government. Before your children is allowed to go to college, they could be forced to spend two years working to repair homes, instead of getting an education. The better news is that this is volunteer work, minimum pay or no pay at all. Isn’t this super? Of course military service would be discouraged, and since kids will lose to years of their lives to the Federal government, they may want to get an education at some time. Cuba amd other totalitarian states have the same policy. Is this what Obama learned from Bill Ayres, Frank Davis or Jeremiah Wright, make all citizens slaves to the federal government? I thought Barack opposed slavery? Guess I was wrong. Obama Wants You INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY, 7/31/08 Election ’08: Barack Obama calls it "Universal Voluntary Public Service." We call it a plan for national involuntary servitude. Kennedy asked us what we could do for our country. Obama has ways to make us volunteer. Sen. Obama’s call to public service is quite different from JFK’s. JFK knew America was already a nation of givers and volunteers, perhaps the most charitable and altruistic nation on Earth. Entities such as the Peace Corps would give Americans an outlet for their kindness and generosity, an opportunity to share what the freest nation on Earth had given them. Obama will force you to share. Obama’s Orwellian use of the words "universal" and "voluntary" together is an indicator of an antithesis to capitalist society deeply rooted in his socialist associations, education and training. Indeed, in 1996, when he ran for an Illinois state Senate seat, one of his first endorsements was from the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America. On the surface, his plan looks just like typical bureaucratic program growth. He wants to expand Americorps to 250,000 slots and double the size of the Peace Corps. He’ll create a Clean Energy Corps to plant trees and otherwise save the Earth. It’s how Obama plans to fill those slots that’s worrisome. Announcing his plan July 2 at the University of Colorado, he said: "We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities to serve. And we will direct that service to our most pressing national challenges." He will make us an offer we can’t refuse. Obama says that as president he will "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year." What he doesn’t say is that he’ll make such voluntarism compulsory by attaching strings to federal education dollars. The schools will make the kids volunteer. It’s called plausible deniability. In a commencement speech at Wesleyan University, Obama advised graduates not to pursue the American dream of success, but to serve others. "You can take your diploma, walk off this stage and chase only after the big house and the nice suits and all the other things that our money culture says you should," he told the graduates. "But I hope you don’t." Don’t be another Bill Gates and amass a fortune making people more productive and successful in their daily lives and giving your countrymen a standard of living the world will envy. Exchange your cap and gown for sackcloth and ashes. Leave your possessions behind and come and follow Obama. "Fulfilling your immediate wants and needs betrays a poverty of ambition," he opined. Shame on us for being selfish and buying that SUV built by an autoworker trying to fulfill his family’s immediate wants and needs. "Our collective service can shape the destiny of this generation," Obama said. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation." We already have a Salvation Army that is truly a volunteer organization. Collective service and salvation is not a classic definition of voluntarism. What Obama has in mind is to turn America into a socialist version of the old Soviet collectives. And if your idea of service is to join the military and keep others alive and free, forget about it. And never mind about ROTC on campus. Obama has no place for those who are willing to abandon fame and fortune to lay down their lives for their friends and ours. "At a time of war," Obama says, "we need you to work for peace." "We left corporate America, which is a lot of what we’re asking young people to do," Obama’s wife, Michelle, told a group of women in Zanesville, Ohio, during the primaries. "Don’t go into corporate America. . . . Become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers we need, and we’re encouraging people to do just that." Don’t be the engineers who will figure out better ways to extract shale oil from the porous rock that holds it. Figure out how to extract more money from taxpayers’ wallets. But the Obamas are doing more than "encouraging" or "asking." In a speech in California, Michelle, who has made a small fortune in the "helping industry," said: "Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone. . . . Barack Obama will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual — uninvolved, uninformed." But America is not a nation of selfish, self-serving people. Social demographer Arthur Brooks once calculated that Americans volunteered 32% more than Obama’s beloved Germans. We also donate seven times more money to charities and causes than the Germans who gathered in Berlin. In talking about his national service, Obama, the man who seems to be running for "community organizer in chief," also made this startling statement: "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." This is an idea worthy of Hugo Chavez. Northwestern University law professor James Lindgren has estimated that this civilian national security force alone would cost somewhere between $100 billion and $500 billion, or between 10% and 50% of all federal tax receipts. And that doesn’t include the cost of the brown shirts. Adults are not exempt from all this, even adults who’ve already served in the U.S. military. "People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve," Obama says. Will they be asked, or drafted? "The future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson," he concedes. "But it (also) depends on the teacher in East L.A., the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans . . ." So drop down and give Sgt. Obama 50 hours. Require. Demand. Never allow. Obama’s version of "voluntary" service is more appropriate for Havana than middle America. He wants to turn America’s students, and even adults, into clones of Elian Gonzalez, compelled to serve the state in ways Obama "will direct." Correction: In the first installment of this series on Tuesday, the Luo ethnic group in Kenya was identified as "communist." The father of the Luo leader cited, Oginga Odinga, did espouse the post-colonial African version of communism in the 1970s and ’80s, and his son, Raila Odinga, calls himself a social democrat. But communism as an ideology did not characterize the entire tribe.
More truth than poetry. This was a beautiful film, but the heartache and sorrow were not "pretty." And look at the ethnic redistribution the children and grand children of those who did return have experienced. We did not "win" that war. We're still losing it, and the losses are reported daily in America's newspapers. It's in our crime statistics, our falling birth rates, our suicide reports, and our psychotropic drug dependency. A vote for either party is in effect, giving permission for the genocide to continue. It seems the sale to be made is that killing for Obama is more righteous than killing for McCain. Dying for either is a complete loss to families who are not presented with a flag of an Elephant or a Donkey, but a grinning empire.
I hate killing. But I'm damn good at it. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I understand our history and that drafts used to be the way America went to war. I am saying that was "pre-fascist" America. We are now a fascist state, but it is fascism with a twist. In classical fascism, the state directs the corporations. In American fascism, the corporations direct the state. The corporations cannot make money off a draft; therefore, there won't be one. Not even Obama, were he to somehow be (s)elected, can get this through if the corporations don't want it. Obama will be serving at their pleasure. They raised hundreds of millions of dollars for him and even more for McThuselah.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
The corporations ARE the state and Rothschild/Rockefeller is the bank.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Hmm.
Hmm. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
History... The second peace time draft was laid upon the lowly in 1948. The country was not comfortable with it, UNTIL Ike called for UMT for EVERY young male. No exceptions, no college, no CO, no exceptions if able bodied. It thrust fear upon those willing to let others be dragged in but not them. Ikes UMT was quickly put out of sight, no way were the upper classes going to submit their young to harms way.
Our best and brightest cut off from life, before they can raise their own families. They should be buried in Israeli flags.
The article you posted about makes the case to vote for McCain.
The better news is that this is volunteer work, minimum pay or no pay at all. Isn’t this super? Of course military service would be discouraged, and since kids will lose to years of their lives to the Federal government, they may want to get an education at some time. Cuba amd other totalitarian states have the same policy. Is this what Obama learned from Bill Ayres, Frank Davis or Jeremiah Wright, make all citizens slaves to the federal government? I thought Barack opposed slavery? Guess I was wrong. Obamaphiles already know this. Don't let them fool you into thinking they don't. The ex-Paul supporters-turned-dems are, in fact, and always have been, Communists. Only a true marxist or a total moron could vote for this clown. We are about to get what we asked for.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx After Obama is crowned... The enraged citizens that do not want their children pressed into servitude, will then accept without a whimper, a new military draft of the bottom feeders. After all, Ike proposed such a scheme long ago, the citizens screamed and the peace time draft was accepted as permanent. Just leave loopholes for the good poople. (wink wink)
Obama must not have read the national temperature. I assume he believes that the Bush police state will make it easier for him to implement his version of new world other. The man has a serious flaw: Ignorance (willful) of American history... any history that is not based on fairly stories of pedophile prophets and virgins and communist revolutions. But he is skilled lawyer (so many others) so he will make any disingenuous legal argument to milk the system for all it can gain him and his administration in its communist aims.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx We have a "choice" between a system owned madman and a newly minted simpleton water carrier for the system.
Yeah I know. It's no choice. But those who are voting proactively for TheMessiahObama are certainly excercising their right to be dead wrong...and taking the rest of us down with them.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Bump that.
US Vice President Dick Cheney called Palin's nomination and her convention speech "superb."
You recall when Snarl was put in charge of picking a VP for Smirk and he picked himself???? That was a hint that just maybe Snarl was looking out for number 1.
Just when things couldn't get much worse.
Don't forget Bill Buckley, another "national service" promoter.
You bought The Battle of New Orleans.
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... if he thinks McCain is going to get rid of Palin ...
Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -- H. L. Mencken
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hi Enderby, it's nice to see you again. hope all is well. :)
Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -- H. L. Mencken
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#8. To: snoopdougg (#0)
Dobson positively basks in his newfound role of Christian political crusader.
I've already said too much.
#9. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)
It begins with their screaming their lungs off, swearing that never-ever, for as long as they live, are they going to support freaking homosexualist liberals such as McCain. Then, once McCain gets the nomination, they quickly jump into neutral while secretly searching for ways to enthusiastically support their favorite traitor without losing much face.
Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -- H. L. Mencken
#10. To: robnoel (#7)
#11. To: MUDDOG (#8)
Pastor Ted left a big hole.
Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -- H. L. Mencken
#12. To: snoopdougg (#0)
In the words of Lew Rockwell:
#13. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#10)
(Edited)
#14. To: christine (#12)
i don't think Sarah Palin would consider for a moment stepping down.
#15. To: Enderby (#6)
"No rest for the wicked" ... and that's me!
#16. To: snoopdougg (#0)
(Edited)
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
Not so fast slick
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#18)
#20. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, jethro tull (#18)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#22. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#21)
but she said it in a nasty way that made her stupid party feel good about her nasty emptiness.
#23. To: Cynicom (#22)
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#25. To: Cynicom (#24)
#26. To: robnoel (#25)
I would welcome a draft maybe then Americans will lose it's love affair with everything military
#27. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#21)
#28. To: Cynicom, Vast (#24)
When Obingo and Bidet are crowned Mr. and Mrs. Amerika and the war is enlarged, a draft is brought out and such, one has to wonder how all of this will be justified?
#29. To: Cynicom (#26)
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
(Edited)
Nasty is your word, not mine. She was funny and liberalism deserves heavy doses of humor and sarcasm. How else does one counter "feelings" and an empty mantra of hope and change :)
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
I'm thinking Vast is young enough to make the cut afa military service. If not him, he should offer his children to his Obingo God of War.
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
If not him, he should offer his children to his Obingo God of War.
#34. To: Peppa, christine, jethro tull (#31)
Wouldn't it be great if Sarah dressed up in a toga, with a crown of arugula, sporting sandals, perhaps a stone tablet and dragged in a couple of styrofoam columns to the VP debate? Throw in some thunderbolts.
#35. To: Cynicom (#34)
#36. To: Cynicom (#34)
Damn...excellent idea.
#37. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#35)
how about Palin/McCain both in swimsuits,
#38. To: Cynicom (#24)
Obingo and Bidet
#39. To: Peppa (#36)
Sarah struck a nerve, even if she didn't write the speech herself.
#40. To: Cynicom (#37)
It's so funny to watch the stoopids (aka 'the conversatives') doing their conversative dance macabre. It begins with their screaming their lungs off, swearing that never-ever, for as long as they live, are they going to support freaking homosexualist liberals such as McCain. Then, once McCain gets the nomination, they quickly jump into neutral while secretly searching for ways to enthusiastically support their favorite traitor without losing much face.
#41. To: Enderby (#9)
pimping for the pachyderm
#42. To: snoopdougg (#38)
When I saw Obingo a bit earlier I thought for a second that it was Oingo Boingo.
#43. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#32)
#44. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, jethro tull, peppa, christine (#40)
This is EXACTLY where this thread is moving.
#45. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
- If you vote for someone you must volunteer for war - I'm looking around for evidence of W's 50-million men and women army.
- But if you vote against the guy or you don't vote at all, then you get to enjoy your retirement.
- If you are a 40-yr old granny, that shows strong family values.
- But if you call the bitch 'a bitch', that's sexism.
#46. To: Cynicom (#39)
#47. To: Cynicom (#44)
Many of us KNOW the government is the enemy. If you cannot come to terms with that very basic premise, then we will never have a decent discussion on anything political.
#48. To: Peppa (#46)
Good point! That was refreshing.
#49. To: Cynicom (#44)
#50. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#49)
Indeed, the gov't is the enemy. Therefore, what you must do, if you can do anything, is to act in ways that prevent the government from getting bigger or stronger or at least don't accelerate the move
#51. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)
#52. To: Cynicom (#50)
(Edited)
#53. To: Cynicom (#50)
Can we agree that ALL FOUR of the people seeking office are members of the same system????
#54. To: snoopdougg (#0)
#55. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#49)
Obama is less likely to continue on that path while McCain is practically certain to give us a strict, war-dedicated, police state.
#56. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#52)
The difference is that McCain is fully assimilated while Obama is only half- assimilated.
#57. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, jethro tull, peppa (#52)
Sure, they are players in the system
#58. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#45)
2) The National Party has two entrants who favor war. You are choosing the dark horse.
3) Since you are voting for war, yes, back it up with service. Feel free to send a family member, or many family members in your place, but by all means join the fray.
4) To ask others to fight the wars you support is cowardly. Didn't we learn about chickenhawks from Cheney/Bush? Don't have us think this way of you.
#59. To: christine (#55)
you're basing that on false hope.
#60. To: Rotara (#54)
Have you considered that if NOBODY ever attempts to step into the ring to make a positive impact then nothing will change.
#61. To: Cynicom (#57)
OK...Doing fine so far.
#62. To: Cynicom (#57)
Upon the voters rests the burden of what will transpire.
#63. To: christine (#55)
#64. To: christine (#60)
that's a good point. altho, the fact that she's already had the AIPAC meeting proves Palin's already been assimilated.
#65. To: Jethro Tull, A VAST TOOL (#58)
Don't have us think this way of you.
#66. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#63)
(Edited)
None of us knows the future and no one can fully control the future. However, it is quite clear that certain events are likely to move the overall trend a little to the right or a little to the left - think of how hurricanes move. Within that context, there is very little doubt that McCain is going to bring about more war and waste than his opponent while the growth and the intrusiveness of the welfare state is likely to be the same, regardless of who gets to sit on the throne.
#67. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#63)
(Edited)
there is very little doubt that McCain is going to bring about more war and waste than his opponent while the growth and the intrusiveness of the welfare state is likely to be the same, regardless of who gets to sit on the throne.
#68. To: buckeye (#62)
They've been programmed to vote from their first high school civics class and even earlier. And harsh criticism of the government has been discouraged in order to avoid acrimony, the kind that could lead to another time of Great Unpleasantness.
#69. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#63)
#70. To: christine, VAST WHORE (#69)
still, the bottom line is if you vote D or R, you're voting for the lesser and it's an endorsement of the fraud thereby making you an accessory to the crime. ;)
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#58)
#72. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#71)
My friend, I am somewhat familiar with the works of Socrates. Socrates was a great thinker and I admire him much, I almost view him as a close friend of mine. But you, my other friend, you are no Socrates. Not even by in infinitely long shot.
#73. To: christine (#69)
#74. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#71)
Socrates
#75. To: Rotara (#72)
#76. To: Cynicom (#73)
Admitting the government is the enemy, and then participating and empowering them is beyond credulity.
#77. To: christine (#69)
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#75)
THE AUDACITY OF DOUCHE
#79. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom, Ferret Mike (#63)
#80. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#77)
(Edited)
I view it more like... an earthquake just started to shake the house.
#81. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#77)
And, no, the house did not collapse but large chunks of the ceiling in the room he jumped from did drop on the floor.
#82. To: buckeye (#79)
#83. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#82)
For prez, I voted thusly: Bush, Bush, Dole, Buchanan, Kerry.
#84. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#82)
Bush, Bush, Dole, Buchanan, Kerry.
#85. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#82)
Is this good?
#86. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#82)
For prez, I voted thusly: Bush, Bush, Dole, Buchanan, Kerry.
#87. To: buckeye (#85)
. If Kerry had won in 2004, I'd bet that we'd still be in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'd still be shaking the saber at Russia over South Ossetia. We'd still be tasing protesters at national conventions. And we'd still be spying on Americans
#88. To: Jethro Tull (#86)
(if they were indeed counted)
#89. To: Cynicom (#87)
If Kerry had won in 2004, I'd bet that we'd still be in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'd still be shaking the saber at Russia over South Ossetia. We'd still be tasing protesters at national conventions. And we'd still be spying on Americans
#90. To: Rotara (#89)
Would we still have firearms?
#91. To: Cynicom (#90)
#92. To: Cynicom (#90)
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#91)
They'll let us keep our guns, but they'll ration ammo. Eventually, should Vast get enough OBingo's in place, they'll stop distributing it altogether.
#94. To: Rotara (#93)
#95. To: Jethro Tull (#94)
I have a plan that would make William Ayres proud.
#96. To: Cynicom (#90)
#97. To: Sam Houston, Cynicom (#96)
#98. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)
#99. To: Jethro Tull (#94)
#100. To: All (#99)
#101. To: buckeye (#85)
If Kerry had won in 2004, I'd bet that we'd still be in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'd still be shaking the saber at Russia over South Ossetia. We'd still be tasing protesters at national conventions. And we'd still be spying on Americans.
#102. To: Enderby (#3)
Did you read the piece? Who (before you) said anything about McC getting rid of Palin?
#103. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
Palin gave one of the better convention speeches I can remember. I also loved Buchanan's in '92 in Houston
#104. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#101)
And... did you win your bets or did you lose?
I can see how we could be an infinitesimal part of an infinite collection of alternative universes if it turns out that, quite possibly, two versions of reality are born every time a quark decides to go right or left, or an atom would either spit out a photon or stay dark for a while longer.
You lost me there at the word "infinitesimal."
#105. To: Sam Houston, peppa, lodwick, christine, jethro tull, ALL (#96)
I think this obsession you have with a draft is wishful thinking on your part.
#106. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#101)
such you doing that Russian tennis babe
#107. To: Rotara (#97)
I see a North American Union
#108. To: Cynicom (#105)
The military DID want a draft.
#109. To: Turtle (#107)
Never happen. Where I live, in Missouri, Mexicans are being arrested and deported (and self-deporting) left and right.
#110. To: Rotara (#108)
#111. To: Cynicom (#110)
At the end of the charade, I think Obingo was claiming a majority of active duty military donors.
#112. To: Rotara (#111)
Dr. Ron would never lie.
#113. To: Cynicom (#112)
Dr. Ron would never lie.
#114. To: Cynicom, Sam Houston, peppa, lodwick, christine, jethro tull (#105)
(Edited)
#115. To: Rotara (#113)
#116. To: Cynicom. all (#110)
I may join the Unknown Party.
#117. To: Cynicom (#115)
Ask him.
#118. To: buckeye (#114)
#119. To: lodwick (#116)
#120. To: lodwick (#116)
OTH OTHER
#121. To: buckeye (#114)
#122. To: Cynicom, lodwick, Peppa (#118)
More truth than poetry.
#123. To: buckeye (#122)
Only the MIC and the financiers 'win' in any war.
#124. To: lodwick (#123)
What I'm trying to say is that we lost less, than did they.
#125. To: Turtle (#102)
" ... which she would not do unless McCain agreed to it."
Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -- H. L. Mencken
#126. To: Cynicom (#105)
#127. To: Sam Houston (#126)
I'm old enough not to worry about this, but you are ignoring what I am saying.
#128. To: Cynicom, *Obama Reality Check* (#105)
Obsession Sam???? Been there did that twice, lost both times. Trust the government if you like however I hope you are over 65. If not be careful of what you deny.
#129. To: buckeye (#122)
To: Cynicom, lodwick, Peppa
#130. To: Peppa (#128)
#131. To: Cynicom (#127)
#132. To: Sam Houston (#131)
In American fascism, the corporations direct the state.
#133. To: Rotara (#130)
I hate killing. But I'm damn good at it. ;-)
#134. To: Peppa (#133)
(Edited)
I hate killing. But I'm damn good at it. ;-)
#135. To: Peppa (#128)
#136. To: Peppa (#129)
Dying for either is a complete loss to families who are not presented with a flag of an Elephant or a Donkey, but a grinning empire.
#137. To: Peppa (#128)
#138. To: Peppa, christine, rickyj, jethro tull, *Obama Reality Check* (#128)
Before your children is allowed to go to college, they could be forced to spend two years working to repair homes, instead of getting an education.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#139. To: IndieTX (#138)
Only a true marxist or a total moron could vote for this clown. We are about to get what we asked for.
#140. To: Cynicom (#139)
(Edited)
After Obama is crowned...
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#141. To: IndieTX (#140)
#142. To: Cynicom (#141)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#143. To: Rotara (#132)
The corporations ARE the state and Rothschild/Rockefeller is the bank.
#144. To: Cynicom (#141)
afp.google.com/article/AL..._wRzQIBB8nJuXZDb0EBQvLJMA
#145. To: angle (#144)
#146. To: Cynicom (#145)
#147. To: IndieTX, Peppa (#138)
Cuba amd other totalitarian states have the same policy. Is this what Obama learned from Bill Ayres, Frank Davis or Jeremiah Wright, make all citizens slaves to the federal government?
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