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Title: Sarah Palin Needs to Step Aside ... And James Dobson Is Just a Sorry Religious Hustler
Source: The Fountain of Truth
URL Source: http://www.geocities.com/fountoftruth/palin.html
Published: Sep 6, 2008
Author: Doug Newman
Post Date: 2008-09-06 01:01:47 by snoopdougg
Keywords: None
Views: 21563
Comments: 147

I commend Bristol Palin on deciding to go through with her pregnancy and her plans to marry Levi Johnston. I also commend Sarah Palin for not rushing her daughter off to an abortionist because a pregnant, unwed 17-year-old daughter might tarnish her political image.

That said, Sarah Palin needs to step aside and let someone else be John McCain’s vice presidential nominee.

In a constitutional world, vice presidents would have a simple job with just two duties: break ties in the Senate and hope and pray that the president doesn’t meet an untimely demise.

We do not live in such a world. The vice presidency, like every other aspect of the federal government, has grown grotesquely out of control. Indeed, you can safely say that George HW Bush ran the show for Reagan and Dick Cheney has done likewise for Dubya.

By accepting John McCain’s offer, Sarah Palin stepped out of the relative serenity of Juneau -- 31,000 people and two McDonald's -- and into a political shark tank that will only become infinitely more unforgiving in the coming months and years.

Is it “unfair” that Palin’s personal life is being so heavily scrutinized? Was it "unfair" when so many people made so much of Bill Clinton's personal life? (And why do we hear next to nothing about John McCain’s sordid, philandering past?) Every politician ought to have their life pried apart in such a fashion. Especially in today’s world when you consider how intrusively they micromanage our lives. Have you filled out one of their 1040s recently?

No human being ought to be entrusted with as much power as we allow our presidents and VPs. When you pull back the curtain and you meet these Great and Powerful Ozzes, you find bumbling incompetent fools. They are no better or smarter than you or I. Why are we so desperate to elevate these people to such levels of power and glory?

I have heard people ask what would happen had Bristol Palin been a black girl in the ghetto. She no doubt would not have the financial cushion she will very likely have access to. She would be been written off by all the Republican media jabberers as a product of 75 years of liberalism. But no-o-o-o-o. Her mom has just been tapped to run as VP representing the GOP, which many think stands for God’s Official Party. So just sit down and shut up if you have any questions about anyone's personal life.

It is bad enough that family breakdown has produced such tragic results in the inner city. How many prison inmates and gang bangers came from a stable family environment with both Mom and Dad having a solid influence in their lives?

While suburban kids might not face the same financial challenges as their ghetto counterparts, I have seen too many bad things happen when parents overemphasize careers at the expense of their children. Time and again, I have seen kids from affluent suburban backgrounds in places like the Jersey Shore, north suburban Phoenix and south suburban Denver go off the deep end. In every case, there was a dearth of parental involvement at home.

Yes, plenty of kids of dysfunctional homes have turned out just fine. But when a kid's life spins out of control, they almost always have had more than a few issues at home.

The fallout for these kids manifests itself in numerous ways, with teen pregnancy being just one of them. What did Sarah Palin sacrifice to advance her political career? I am not judging or condemning. I am just asking.

A hundred years ago, it was perfectly legal for a 10-year-old to walk into a drug store, plop down cash and buy heroin. And we had no drug problem! Why? Because parents and churches had a far stronger influence instilling morals and responsibility in children.

Today, the divorce rate is well over 50 percent, too many parents run off in every direction imaginable at the expense of their children, and way too many preachers think and talk like politicians whining, weeping and wailing about how the government doesn’t do enough to solve problems. America’s moral collapse has less to do with a "failure of government" than a failure of way too many people to heed the words of a bumper sticker one sees from time to time along Colorado’s Front Range: “Focus on your own damn family.” (More on the Focus thing in a few paragraphs.)

I have never raised kids, so anything I say on the subject is just an opinion and worth no more than you are paying me for it. However, I am going to pretend for a minute that I write an advice column.

"Dear Dougie,

“I have been a successful professional woman for the last 15 years. I earn $175,000 annually. Recently, I received an offer from a competitor that would more than double my income, but would also require almost constant travel. I have a four-month-old daughter with Downs Syndrome and a 17-year-old daughter who is four months pregnant. What should I do?”

-- Tempted in Scarsdale

"Dear Tempted,

“Family comes first. No one can adequately substitute for your influence and presence around the home. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Children spell love T-I-M-E. (1) You should reject this financially tantalizing offer and tend to your most important duties, i.e. those of a mother.”

As VP, Sarah Palin would be one heartbeat away from the presidency. Should something happen to a President McCain early on in his administration, can you imagine this scenario that I heard on the radio the other day?

“Madame President! You have a call on the red phone from Russia!”

 “Could you please take a message? I am changing a diaper.”

You only have 24 hours in a day. Something has to give. Sarah Palin has children that desparately need her presence right now. The Palin family cannot afford this.

I am just asking questions about a vice presidential nominee that are asked all the time about families out here in real life. America doesn’t suffer from a “lack of leadership in Washington” – barf -- nearly as much as it does from family breakdown. No president or “policy” can reverse this. Politics is merely a great big game of “let’s pretend”. The “family values” agenda is no exception.

Enter James Dobson of Focus on the Family. I used to have a lot of respect for Dobson back when his main focus, if you will, was on families, marriage, child rearing and Christian morals and values. Occasionally, he gave you a political opinion. That was his prerogative.

Then, he joined Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and the rest of the Religious Right and yoked himself unequally with some of the most un-Christlike people you can imagine. Millions of Christians followed him by drinking this Kool-Aid.

Earlier this year, Dobson said there was no way he could support John McCain for president. Then, he warmed up to the idea. Now, with the Palin nomination, Dobson and Focus have jumped right on board. Tom Minnery, a senior Focus official cited “’the pro-life, pro-family platform adopted by the party,’ and the selection of Palin.”

If she becomes VP, Sarah Palin is going to have to make some serious sacrifices in the family department. She stands to be gone from them almost continuously for up to eight years. Her "values" will have to be put on hold.

Don’t dare think that Sarah Palin is Ron Paul Lite. Establishment Republicans went out of their way to deny Ron Paul's very existence. There is no way they would pick anyone of his ilk to be VP.

Dobson has become just one more sorry religious hustler. While, he may not have a fleet of Lamborghinis or a private jet, he has used his Christian influence for a most un-Christian purpose: seducing millions of Christians into endorsing evil in high places. To hear some people talk here in Colorado, Dobson's words have the weight of Holy Writ.

I got an e-mail recently from someone who thought that Dobson actually supported McCain the whole time and that he just wanted to be schmoozed. I can get with that. Dobson positively basks in his newfound role of Christian political crusader.

Sarah Palin needs to step aside. In the eyes of God, her duties as a mother are far more important than her political career. In so doing, she would be a far greater role model -- and a far greater antithesis to Hillary Clinton -- than she could ever be as VP. Edward VIII abdicated the British throne “for the woman he loved.” Why can’t Sarah Palin do likewise for the sake of her family?

One of our earliest lurches away from true constitutionalism was the Twelfth Amendment. Until then, the VP was not the president’s running mate, but the person who got the second most votes in the Electoral College. If they had radically differing philosophies, oh well. This served as a brake on executive power.

Now, the VP’s role is to do the will of the president. Whatever independent, libertarian or constitutionalist principles Sarah Palin may have held must now be subordinated to the will of John McCain. In the words of Lew Rockwell:

"When a decent person accepts a job such as vice president, our first instinct is to celebrate that good people are in a position of power and influence. This is what the McCain campaign is counting on. But this is an illusion. The influence runs completely the other way. Good people become part of the party machine and surrender all their principles in order to survive.

“We are speaking here of the leviathan state that lives on a lie. To be part of that, you too must become part of the lie. It is perhaps possible to be the governor of a small state such as Alaska and not be part of the machine. It is not possible to be vice president of the United State and not enter into the deeply immoral arena that values the burying of all principle, and saying and doing whatever is necessary to bolster power.”

Sarah Palin is walking into the gears of a machine that will grind her into pieces for its own ends. It will require enormous courage for her to walk away with her soul intact. Yet this is what she needs to do and do now if she truly is the genuine article.


(1) While these last two sentences do not contain my original ideas, I sure wish they were.


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#108. To: Cynicom (#105)

The military DID want a draft.

Ron Paul collected more $$$ from ACTIVE military folk than ALL the neocon candidates COMBINED.

Let the fragging begin!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Turtle (#107)

Never happen. Where I live, in Missouri, Mexicans are being arrested and deported (and self-deporting) left and right.

Mexicans aren't white; most are fit only to pick crops and clean bathrooms.

Might as well talk about a North American Union if we had Nigeria on our southern border. That would never happen, either.

Proof that you're an ignoramus. WADR. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:21:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Rotara (#108)

At the end of the charade, I think Obingo was claiming a majority of active duty military donors.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Cynicom (#110)

At the end of the charade, I think Obingo was claiming a majority of active duty military donors.

Ron Paul emphatically reported it this week while in MN.

Dr. Ron would never lie.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Rotara (#111)

Dr. Ron would never lie.

Uhhhh..

Recall Paul withdrew????? Two candidates, McKooK and Obingo. Obingo says he has the most active duty donors from the military.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Cynicom (#112)

Dr. Ron would never lie.

Uhhhh..

Recall Paul withdrew?????

Did he lie?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Cynicom, Sam Houston, peppa, lodwick, christine, jethro tull (#105) (Edited)

Summer of '42

Most able-bodied and minded men were in the "fight." And look at where "victory" has left the American people.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-06   13:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Rotara (#113)

Ask him.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Cynicom. all (#110)

I may join the Unknown Party.

PARTY DESIGNATION

PARTY DESCRIPTION

AIP AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY

AMP AMERICAN PARTY

CIT CITIZENS

CRV CONSERVATIVE PARTY

CST CONSTITUTIONAL

DEM DEMOCRAT PARTY

DFL DEMOCRAT FARM LABOR

GRE GREEN PARTY

IND INDEPENDENT

LAB LABOR

LBR LABOR PARTY

LIB LIBERTARIAN

NLP NATURAL LAW PARTY

NNE NONE

OTH OTHER

REF REFORM PARTY

REP REPUBLICAN PARTY

RTL RIGHT TO LIFE

SWP SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY

TX TAXPAYERS

UNK UNKNOWN

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-06   13:32:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Cynicom (#115)

Ask him.

Starts @ 19:40

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: buckeye (#114)

More truth than poetry.

My 63 year old Grandfather, a widower, and my 17 year old brother did their part by keeping the husbandless ladies happy and content. Facts of life.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: lodwick (#116)

Boston Tea Party

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   13:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: lodwick (#116)

OTH OTHER

I have found out that one may not secede personally.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   13:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: buckeye (#114)

Beautiful video - thanks.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-06   13:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Cynicom, lodwick, Peppa (#118)

More truth than poetry.

This was a beautiful film, but the heartache and sorrow were not "pretty." And look at the ethnic redistribution the children and grand children of those who did return have experienced. We did not "win" that war. We're still losing it, and the losses are reported daily in America's newspapers. It's in our crime statistics, our falling birth rates, our suicide reports, and our psychotropic drug dependency.

We can stop losing any time we wish. It is up to us.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-06   13:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: buckeye (#122)

Only the MIC and the financiers 'win' in any war.

I don't know how many of us have traveled to Europe, but looking at all the old widows there, made me realize how pointless is war - to the people of the combatant countries.

What I'm trying to say is that we lost less, than did they. But what a price we all paid.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-06   13:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: lodwick (#123)

What I'm trying to say is that we lost less, than did they.

Perhaps you are right. But in terms of liberty, what we lost was far more precious than theirs. And we were supposedly fighting to protect freedom.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-06   13:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Turtle (#102)

" ... which she would not do unless McCain agreed to it."

Ah, so you're a psychic! Thus the Mind of Palin is as an open book to you.

And, by the way, you're correct when you say the author thinks she should step aside. He does not, however, say that he thinks she will do so. Your (repeated) attribution of loonhood to the author is, I think, both immoderate and ugly.

And for what it's worth: if she does step aside at this point, I will be assuming it's because McNasty ordered her to walk the plank ... no matter what she may say.

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Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -- H. L. Mencken

Enderby  posted on  2008-09-06   14:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Cynicom (#105)

I'm old enough not to worry about this, but you are ignoring what I am saying.

It does not PAY to bring back the draft. Our legislators are owned by the contractors. Follow the money.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-09-06   14:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Sam Houston (#126)

I'm old enough not to worry about this, but you are ignoring what I am saying.

It does not PAY to bring back the draft. Our legislators are owned by the contractors. Follow the money.

Sam...

Ignore???? correct me if I am wrong, you said something about an obsession????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   14:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Cynicom, *Obama Reality Check* (#105)

Obsession Sam???? Been there did that twice, lost both times. Trust the government if you like however I hope you are over 65. If not be careful of what you deny.

Please read the following. It's not news, but it might be to some. The 'draft', can be ushered in under another name... such as "Universal Voluntary Public Service." It seems to me every definition in politics has been redefined successfully, and such things as social justice (reparations/redistribution) is exactly the school where Obama spent his life before running for President.

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capoliticalnews.com/s/spip.php?article807

Obama Plans National Draft for ALL Americans Thursday 31 July 2008, by admin

This is exciting. The Federal government, under President Obama could force a Catholic Nun to work for Planned Parenthood, or any other "non-profit" vendor for the Federal government.

Before your children is allowed to go to college, they could be forced to spend two years working to repair homes, instead of getting an education.

The better news is that this is volunteer work, minimum pay or no pay at all. Isn’t this super? Of course military service would be discouraged, and since kids will lose to years of their lives to the Federal government, they may want to get an education at some time.

Cuba amd other totalitarian states have the same policy. Is this what Obama learned from Bill Ayres, Frank Davis or Jeremiah Wright, make all citizens slaves to the federal government?

I thought Barack opposed slavery? Guess I was wrong.

Obama Wants You

INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY, 7/31/08

Election ’08: Barack Obama calls it "Universal Voluntary Public Service." We call it a plan for national involuntary servitude. Kennedy asked us what we could do for our country. Obama has ways to make us volunteer.

Sen. Obama’s call to public service is quite different from JFK’s. JFK knew America was already a nation of givers and volunteers, perhaps the most charitable and altruistic nation on Earth. Entities such as the Peace Corps would give Americans an outlet for their kindness and generosity, an opportunity to share what the freest nation on Earth had given them. Obama will force you to share.

Obama’s Orwellian use of the words "universal" and "voluntary" together is an indicator of an antithesis to capitalist society deeply rooted in his socialist associations, education and training. Indeed, in 1996, when he ran for an Illinois state Senate seat, one of his first endorsements was from the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America.

On the surface, his plan looks just like typical bureaucratic program growth. He wants to expand Americorps to 250,000 slots and double the size of the Peace Corps. He’ll create a Clean Energy Corps to plant trees and otherwise save the Earth. It’s how Obama plans to fill those slots that’s worrisome.

Announcing his plan July 2 at the University of Colorado, he said: "We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities to serve. And we will direct that service to our most pressing national challenges." He will make us an offer we can’t refuse.

Obama says that as president he will "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year." What he doesn’t say is that he’ll make such voluntarism compulsory by attaching strings to federal education dollars. The schools will make the kids volunteer. It’s called plausible deniability.

In a commencement speech at Wesleyan University, Obama advised graduates not to pursue the American dream of success, but to serve others.

"You can take your diploma, walk off this stage and chase only after the big house and the nice suits and all the other things that our money culture says you should," he told the graduates. "But I hope you don’t."

Don’t be another Bill Gates and amass a fortune making people more productive and successful in their daily lives and giving your countrymen a standard of living the world will envy. Exchange your cap and gown for sackcloth and ashes. Leave your possessions behind and come and follow Obama.

"Fulfilling your immediate wants and needs betrays a poverty of ambition," he opined. Shame on us for being selfish and buying that SUV built by an autoworker trying to fulfill his family’s immediate wants and needs.

"Our collective service can shape the destiny of this generation," Obama said. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

We already have a Salvation Army that is truly a volunteer organization. Collective service and salvation is not a classic definition of voluntarism. What Obama has in mind is to turn America into a socialist version of the old Soviet collectives.

And if your idea of service is to join the military and keep others alive and free, forget about it. And never mind about ROTC on campus.

Obama has no place for those who are willing to abandon fame and fortune to lay down their lives for their friends and ours. "At a time of war," Obama says, "we need you to work for peace."

"We left corporate America, which is a lot of what we’re asking young people to do," Obama’s wife, Michelle, told a group of women in Zanesville, Ohio, during the primaries. "Don’t go into corporate America. . . . Become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers we need, and we’re encouraging people to do just that."

Don’t be the engineers who will figure out better ways to extract shale oil from the porous rock that holds it. Figure out how to extract more money from taxpayers’ wallets.

But the Obamas are doing more than "encouraging" or "asking." In a speech in California, Michelle, who has made a small fortune in the "helping industry," said: "Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone. . . . Barack Obama will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual — uninvolved, uninformed."

But America is not a nation of selfish, self-serving people. Social demographer Arthur Brooks once calculated that Americans volunteered 32% more than Obama’s beloved Germans. We also donate seven times more money to charities and causes than the Germans who gathered in Berlin.

In talking about his national service, Obama, the man who seems to be running for "community organizer in chief," also made this startling statement:

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

This is an idea worthy of Hugo Chavez.

Northwestern University law professor James Lindgren has estimated that this civilian national security force alone would cost somewhere between $100 billion and $500 billion, or between 10% and 50% of all federal tax receipts. And that doesn’t include the cost of the brown shirts.

Adults are not exempt from all this, even adults who’ve already served in the U.S. military. "People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve," Obama says. Will they be asked, or drafted?

"The future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson," he concedes. "But it (also) depends on the teacher in East L.A., the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans . . ." So drop down and give Sgt. Obama 50 hours.

Require. Demand. Never allow. Obama’s version of "voluntary" service is more appropriate for Havana than middle America. He wants to turn America’s students, and even adults, into clones of Elian Gonzalez, compelled to serve the state in ways Obama "will direct."

Correction: In the first installment of this series on Tuesday, the Luo ethnic group in Kenya was identified as "communist." The father of the Luo leader cited, Oginga Odinga, did espouse the post-colonial African version of communism in the 1970s and ’80s, and his son, Raila Odinga, calls himself a social democrat. But communism as an ideology did not characterize the entire tribe.

Peppa  posted on  2008-09-06   15:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: buckeye (#122)

To: Cynicom, lodwick, Peppa

More truth than poetry. This was a beautiful film, but the heartache and sorrow were not "pretty." And look at the ethnic redistribution the children and grand children of those who did return have experienced. We did not "win" that war. We're still losing it, and the losses are reported daily in America's newspapers. It's in our crime statistics, our falling birth rates, our suicide reports, and our psychotropic drug dependency.

A vote for either party is in effect, giving permission for the genocide to continue. It seems the sale to be made is that killing for Obama is more righteous than killing for McCain. Dying for either is a complete loss to families who are not presented with a flag of an Elephant or a Donkey, but a grinning empire.

Peppa  posted on  2008-09-06   15:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Peppa (#128)

I hate killing. But I'm damn good at it. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   15:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Cynicom (#127)

I understand our history and that drafts used to be the way America went to war. I am saying that was "pre-fascist" America.

We are now a fascist state, but it is fascism with a twist.

In classical fascism, the state directs the corporations. In American fascism, the corporations direct the state. The corporations cannot make money off a draft; therefore, there won't be one.

Not even Obama, were he to somehow be (s)elected, can get this through if the corporations don't want it. Obama will be serving at their pleasure. They raised hundreds of millions of dollars for him and even more for McThuselah.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-09-06   15:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Sam Houston (#131)

In American fascism, the corporations direct the state.

The corporations ARE the state and Rothschild/Rockefeller is the bank.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   15:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Rotara (#130)

I hate killing. But I'm damn good at it. ;-)

Hmm.

Peppa  posted on  2008-09-06   15:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Peppa (#133) (Edited)

I hate killing. But I'm damn good at it. ;-)

Hmm.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-09-06   15:24:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Peppa (#128)

History...

The second peace time draft was laid upon the lowly in 1948.

The country was not comfortable with it, UNTIL Ike called for UMT for EVERY young male. No exceptions, no college, no CO, no exceptions if able bodied.

It thrust fear upon those willing to let others be dragged in but not them. Ikes UMT was quickly put out of sight, no way were the upper classes going to submit their young to harms way.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-06   16:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Peppa (#129)

Dying for either is a complete loss to families who are not presented with a flag of an Elephant or a Donkey, but a grinning empire.

Our best and brightest cut off from life, before they can raise their own families. They should be buried in Israeli flags.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-06   16:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Peppa (#128)

The article you posted about makes the case to vote for McCain.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-06   17:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Peppa, christine, rickyj, jethro tull, *Obama Reality Check* (#128)

Before your children is allowed to go to college, they could be forced to spend two years working to repair homes, instead of getting an education.

The better news is that this is volunteer work, minimum pay or no pay at all. Isn’t this super? Of course military service would be discouraged, and since kids will lose to years of their lives to the Federal government, they may want to get an education at some time.

Cuba amd other totalitarian states have the same policy. Is this what Obama learned from Bill Ayres, Frank Davis or Jeremiah Wright, make all citizens slaves to the federal government?

I thought Barack opposed slavery? Guess I was wrong.

Obamaphiles already know this. Don't let them fool you into thinking they don't. The ex-Paul supporters-turned-dems are, in fact, and always have been, Communists.

Only a true marxist or a total moron could vote for this clown. We are about to get what we asked for.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-09-08   7:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: IndieTX (#138)

Only a true marxist or a total moron could vote for this clown. We are about to get what we asked for.

After Obama is crowned...

The enraged citizens that do not want their children pressed into servitude, will then accept without a whimper, a new military draft of the bottom feeders. After all, Ike proposed such a scheme long ago, the citizens screamed and the peace time draft was accepted as permanent.

Just leave loopholes for the good poople. (wink wink)

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-08   7:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Cynicom (#139) (Edited)

After Obama is crowned...

Obama must not have read the national temperature. I assume he believes that the Bush police state will make it easier for him to implement his version of new world other. The man has a serious flaw: Ignorance (willful) of American history... any history that is not based on fairly stories of pedophile prophets and virgins and communist revolutions. But he is skilled lawyer (so many others) so he will make any disingenuous legal argument to milk the system for all it can gain him and his administration in its communist aims.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-09-08   7:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: IndieTX (#140)

We have a "choice" between a system owned madman and a newly minted simpleton water carrier for the system.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-08   8:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Cynicom (#141)

Yeah I know. It's no choice. But those who are voting proactively for TheMessiahObama are certainly excercising their right to be dead wrong...and taking the rest of us down with them.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-09-08   8:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Rotara (#132)

The corporations ARE the state and Rothschild/Rockefeller is the bank.

Bump that.

angle  posted on  2008-09-08   8:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Cynicom (#141)

afp.google.com/article/AL..._wRzQIBB8nJuXZDb0EBQvLJMA

US Vice President Dick Cheney called Palin's nomination and her convention speech "superb."

angle  posted on  2008-09-08   8:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: angle (#144)

You recall when Snarl was put in charge of picking a VP for Smirk and he picked himself????

That was a hint that just maybe Snarl was looking out for number 1.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-08   8:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Cynicom (#145)

Just when things couldn't get much worse.

angle  posted on  2008-09-08   9:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: IndieTX, Peppa (#138)

Cuba amd other totalitarian states have the same policy. Is this what Obama learned from Bill Ayres, Frank Davis or Jeremiah Wright, make all citizens slaves to the federal government?

Don't forget Bill Buckley, another "national service" promoter.

You bought The Battle of New Orleans.
We recommend: Conway Twitty

Tauzero  posted on  2008-09-08   10:30:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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