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Title: Obama's Years at Columbia Are a Mystery - He Graduated Without Honors
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URL Source: http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obama ... -columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/
Published: Sep 8, 2008
Author: ROSS GOLDBERG,
Post Date: 2008-09-08 21:26:36 by Jethro Tull
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Obama's Years at Columbia Are a Mystery

He Graduated Without Honors

By ROSS GOLDBERG, Special to the Sun | September 2, 2008

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Senator Obama's life story, from his humble roots, to his rise to Harvard Law School, to his passion as a community organizer in Chicago, has been at the center of his presidential campaign. But one chapter of the tale remains a blank — his education at Columbia College, a place he rarely speaks about and where few people seem to remember him.

Contributing to the mystery is the fact that nobody knows just how well Mr. Obama, unlike Senator McCain and most other major candidates for the past two elections, performed as a student.

The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago. The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to the public.

For better or worse, voters have taken an interest in candidates' grades since 1999, when the New Yorker published President Bush's transcript at Yale and disclosed that he was a C student. Mr. Bush had never portrayed himself as a brain, but many were surprised to learn the next year that his opponent, Vice President Gore, did not do much better at Harvard despite his intellectual image. When Senator Kerry's transcript surfaced, reporters found that he actually had a slightly lower average at Yale than Mr. Bush did.

Some political observers cite such disclosures as proof that candidates' intelligence cannot be judged solely by their political careers or the schools they attended. Grades provide a rare measure of intellect that is immune to political spin, proponents say.

"We like to pretend IQ doesn't matter, but it really does with a lot of jobs, including the presidency," a professor at Smith College who studies the effects of human intelligence on the economy, James Miller, said. "We can't trust the information that candidates give us, so it's important to look for objective data that they can't falsify or distort."

Mr. Miller acknowledged that Mr. Obama displayed academic achievement at Harvard, where he graduated magna cum laude and led the Harvard Law Review. Still, Mr. Miller said, he would like to see information about how Mr. Obama performed in various subjects at Columbia.

That view is not shared by other election observers, including some who have themselves indulged the public's interest in candidates' academic records. One of them is Geoffrey Kabaservice, a political historian who in 2000 published Senator Bradley's relatively low score of 485 on the verbal SAT. Mr. Bradley, a Rhodes Scholar who was a star basketball player at Princeton, was running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"It's awfully hard to correlate anything, really, about a person on the basis of their grades," Mr. Kabaservice said, explaining that he published Mr. Bradley's score to highlight limitations in intelligence testing. He said he doubted that candidates' grades have affected the outcome of any recent presidential elections.

"For people who didn't like George W. Bush, for example, the grade aspect only confirmed what they thought about him," Mr. Kabaservice said. "And for everybody else, it made him more of a regular guy."

The Obama campaign declined to comment for this article and did not offer an explanation for why his transcript has not been released. But observers speculated that one reason might be the racially charged nature of the election. Mr. Obama has acknowledged benefiting from affirmative action in the past, and details about his academic performance might open him up to critics eager to accuse him, probably unfairly, of receiving a free ride, Mr. Kabaservice said.

"Anyone who is a minority and who's come up partially through the meritocracy — getting into good colleges, and subsequently good law schools — is going to come under suspicion that there was some kind of affirmative action boost," he said. "I suspect this is an area of discomfort for Obama."

In contrast with the rest of Mr. Obama's life story, little is known about his college experience. He attended Occidental College in Los Angeles for two years before transferring to Columbia in 1981. The move receives only a mention in Mr. Obama's 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father," which instead devotes that chapter to his impressions of race and class struggles in New York.

An article in a Columbia University publication, Columbia College Today, reported that Mr. Obama has portrayed Columbia as a period of buckling down following a troubled adolescence. He did not socialize much, he has said, instead spending a lot of time in the library, "like a monk." He has also stated that he was involved to some extent with the Black Students Organization.

Federal law limits the information that Columbia can release about Mr. Obama's time there. A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science. He did not receive honors, Mr. Connolly said, though specific information on his grades is sealed. A program from the 1983 graduation ceremony lists him as a graduate.

More is known about Mr. McCain's experience at the United States Naval Academy, where he was a self-described troublemaker and graduated in the bottom 1% of his class. The McCain campaign has declined to release his transcript, saying that his performance at the academy can only be viewed in the context of his larger military career.

"His record stands on its own," a McCain spokesman, Peter Feldman, said. "His time spent in college was part of the transformative years that made him who he was."

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Okay, let's compare 'Obama graduated without honors' with 'McCain graduated at the very bottom of his class'.

But the headline is 'Obama did not graduate at the top of his class?' How stupid is that?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-08   21:43:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

It's not about class rank, it's about more unanswered questions.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-08   21:58:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3) (Edited)

You want questions?

Fine. Let's see what 'we' know about Ms. Palin's collegiate activities. I believe that 'we' know that it took her 6 years to get that advanced degree in sports journalism and, apparently, she transfered to 5 or 6 colleges while at it.

Do 'we' know what was she doing and how successful she was at it?

Oh, and do 'we' know why McCain, after he finished at the absolute bottom of his class, he was sent straight to flight school? And do 'we' know how many planes he crashed while in training? And why was he allowed to serially crash them?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-08   22:05:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)

Actually, FWIW, McCain was shooting missiles at communist migs while all Obomber shoot was staples into radical fliers attached to telephone poles. So putting aside the right or wrong of Vietnam, McCain had courage.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-08   22:13:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Oh, and McLame was not a fighter pilot.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-09-08   22:17:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#11)

I said he fired missiles from a plane. Tell us your IQ again?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-08   22:20:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

“A fighter pilot is a military aviator trained to engage other aircraft and typically pilots a fighter aircraft. Fighter pilots undergo specialized training in aerial warfare and dogfighting (close range aerial combat).” From - Wikipedia.

John McCain flew A-4 Skyhawks almost exclusively for his entire military career. The A-4 is a light bomber known as the “Tinkertoy Bomber”. This is what he was in when he caused the accident on the Forrestal and plane he was flying when he was shot down and subsequently captured.

There was only one confirmed air to air kill involving the A-4 during the entire Vietnam War, and that was on May 1, 1967 by by LCDR Theodore R. Swartz with an unguided air-to-air missle.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-09-08   22:26:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#19)

I said he shot missiles, not staples. I don't believe I gave his the rank of fighter pilot, Dr.

From 1956 Navy Skyhawks were the first aircraft to deploy outside of the US armed with the AIM-9 Sidewinder.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-08   22:36:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

He didn't shoot missiles at other migs. That is what you said. Most A-4s didn't even carry slingers. Most of the bamtom bombers had 2 20mm cannons and carried 2 zuni and/or AIMs. The newer ones had two more hardpoints but these rockets were mostly for self-defense while they were running strikes.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-09-08   23:11:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#28)

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

You suggested my comment vis a vis Obama and Marxist tenants was an ignorant comment. Above are the ten planks of the communist manifesto. I'd suggest Mr. Obama is hitting an A average.

PS: Have we discussed his desire to further restrict the 2nd?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-08   23:31:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#32)

Again, don't generalize and expect to score points. Provide specifics where Obama has voted for or introduced legislation for the above.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-09-08   23:52:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#39)

Provide specifics

Obama's economic strategy includes spending $150 billion on a green-energy plan. He wants to establish an infrastructure investment bank to the tune of $60 billion. He wants to expand health insurance by roughly $65 billion. He intends to regulate the profits for drug companies, health insurers and energy firms. He wants to establish a mortgage-interest tax credit. He wants to double the number of workers receiving the earned-income tax credit and triple the benefit for minimum wage workers. He has mentioned a mandatory form of national service for millions of youths and he has expressed a guarantee of a college education, I assume for legals and illegals.

And the beat goes on.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-09   0:04:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

Given what bush and the neocons have done and spent, I'll take what he offers over anything they offer. I agree with helping the poor and underprivileged as opposed to spending a trillion+ on immoral wars murdering Americans and citizens of other countries. I support increasing the earned income tax credit. Most of what you post I support as opposed to what bush and the neocons have done because it benefits Americans. I support regulating drug companies or else allowing citizens to purchase American drugs from other countries at a reduced price. What is the problem with trying to help Americans improve their education instead of spending the money on wars and giving it to traitors like Israel? And given that the U.S. ranks 36th in the world in healthcare, I think we need to do something instead of using supply-side economics and war profits to benefit the already rich.

But then again, I am a Christian who understands the difference between the fake right wing radical Christians and what Jesus taught.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-09-09   2:17:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#42)

What is the problem with trying to help Americans improve their education instead of spending the money on wars and giving it to traitors like Israel?

you think that's going to end with the democrats? please. they are for the warfare state too. furthermore, are you willing to pay yourself to fund all of those things you say you support? where do you think the money comes from to fund paying for these socialist programs and welfare? it comes out of my pocket! it's not the benevolent government. surely you know that much?

christine  posted on  2008-09-09   2:25:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: christine (#44) (Edited)

All I said is I would prefer my tax dollars to be used for those type things as opposed to being spent on immoral and unnecessary wars. That is all I said. And when it comes to helping others, we have no problem. We have been blessed beyond anything most can imagine. Doctors repeatedly have told us that given my brain damage I should be like Terri Schiavo was and many have said I shouldn't be alive. Because of this, we no longer view $ as the most important thing in our lives. Are we rich? Not hardly. According to the bogus stats the govt puts out we are in the top 10% but anybody that says that is rich is full of crap.

But we earn enough to have bought a house for my parents and make the monthly payments for my mom (my dad passed away 3 years ago from cancer), the monthly house payment, utility bills and cable bills for my daughter and her 4 children (her bum of an ex doesn't pay any child support and she maybe makes $35,000 a year)and still give $200.00 a week to our church and some to charity. All of these excluding the charity come to about $28,000 a year and if we were to be asked do we regret doing this, the answer would be a definite NO!

Like I said, we understand that $ is a necessary part of life but realize it is not the most important part.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-09-09   3:12:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#45)

But we earn enough to have bought a house for my parents and make the monthly payments for my mom (my dad passed away 3 years ago from cancer), the monthly house payment, utility bills and cable bills for my daughter and her 4 children (her bum of an ex doesn't pay any child support and she maybe makes $35,000 a year)and still give $200.00 a week to our church and some to charity. All of these excluding the charity come to about $28,000 a year and if we were to be asked do we regret doing this, the answer would be a definite NO!

Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Matthew 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

Matthew 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-09   10:06:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: James Deffenbach (#69)

Don't start. I am stating a fact. You have no idea what I'm talking about.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-09-09   20:59:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#77. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#76)

You have no idea what I'm talking about.

Considering the fact that you don't know what you are talking about a good part of the time I don't find it too surprising when other people don't know what you are talking about.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-09 21:03:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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