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Title: SLIMING PALIN
Source: NEWSWEEK.COM
URL Source: http://www.newsweek.com/id/157986/output/print
Published: Sep 8, 2008
Author: BROOKS JACKSON, JESS HENIG, EMI KOLAWOLE
Post Date: 2008-09-09 16:37:46 by rowdee
Keywords: PALIN, FACTS, BULLHOCKEY
Views: 452
Comments: 26

False Internet claims and rumors fly about McCain's running mate.

Summary

We've been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain's running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.

Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn't cut it at all. In fact, she tripled per-pupil funding over just three years.

She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She's been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

We'll be looking into other charges in an e-mail by a woman named Anne Kilkenny for a future story. For more explanation of the bullet points above, please read the Analysis.

Analysis

Since Republican presidential nominee John McCain tapped Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, information about Palin's past has been zipping around the Internet. Several claims are not true, and other rumors are misleading.

No Cut for "Special Needs" Kids

It's not true, as widely reported in mass e-mails, Web postings and at least one mainstream news source, that Palin slashed the special education budget in Alaska by 62 percent. CNN's Soledad O'Brien made the claim on Sept. 4 in an interview with Nicolle Wallace, a senior adviser to the McCain campaign:

O'Brien, Sept. 4: One are that has gotten certainly people sending to me a lot of e-mails is the question about as governor what she did with the special needs budget, which I'm sure you're aware, she cut significantly, 62 percent I think is the number from when she came into office. As a woman who is now a mother to a special needs child, and I think she actually has a nephew which is autistic as well. How much of a problem is this going to be as she tries to navigate both sides of that issue?

Such a move might have made Palin look heartless or hypocritical in view of her convention-speech pledge to be an advocate for special needs children and their families. But in fact, she increased special needs funding so dramatically that a representative of local school boards described the jump as "historic."

According to an April 2008 article in Education Week, Palin signed legislation in March 2008 that would increase public school funding considerably, including special needs funding. It would increase spending on what Alaska calls "intensive needs" students (students with high-cost special requirements) from $26,900 per student in 2008 to $73,840 per student in 2011. That almost triples the per-student spending in three fiscal years. Palin's original proposal, according to the Anchorage Daily News, would have increased funds slightly more, giving intensive needs students a $77,740 allotment by 2011.

Education Week: A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development.

Unlike many other states, Alaska has relatively flush budget coffers, thanks to a rise in oil and gas revenues. Funding for schools will remain fairly level next year, however. Overall per-pupil funding across the state will rise by $100, to $5,480, in fiscal 2009. ...

Carl Rose, the executive director of the Association of Alaska School Boards, praised the changes in funding for rural schools and students with special needs as a "historic event," and said the finance overhaul would bring more stability to district budgets.

According to Eddy Jeans at the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development, funding for special needs and intensive needs students has increased every year since Palin entered office, from a total of $203 million in 2006 to a projected $276 million in 2009.

Those who claim that Palin cut special needs funding by 62 percent are looking in the wrong place and misinterpreting what they find there. They point to an apparent drop in the Department of Education and Early Development budget for special schools. But the special schools budget, despite the similar name, isn't the special needs budget. "I don't even consider the special schools component [part of] our special needs funding," Jeans told FactCheck.org. "The special needs funding is provided through our public school funding formula. The special schools is simply a budget component where we have funding set aside for special projects," such as the Alaska School for the Deaf and the Alaska Military Youth Academy. A different budget component, the Foundation Program, governs special needs programs in the public school system.

And in any case, the decrease in funding for special schools is illusory. Palin moved the Alaska Military Youth Academy's ChalleNGe program, a residential military school program that teaches job and life skills to students under 20, out of the budget line for "special schools" and into its own line. This resulted in an apparent drop of more than $5 million in the special schools budget with no actual decrease in funding for the programs.

Not a Book Burner

One accusation claims then-Mayor Palin threatened to fire Wasilla's librarian for refusing to ban books from the town library. Some versions of the rumor come complete with a list of the books that Palin allegedly attempted to ban. Actually, Palin never asked that books be banned; no books were actually banned; and many of the books on the list that Palin supposedly wanted to censor weren't even in print at the time, proving that the list is a fabrication. The librarian was fired, but was told only that Palin felt she didn't support her. She was re-hired the next day. The librarian never claimed that Palin threatened outright to fire her for refusing to ban books.

It's true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla's librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions. Emmons flatly stated her opposition each time. But, as the /Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman/ (Wasilla's local paper) reported at the time, Palin asked general questions about what Emmons would say if Palin requested that a book be banned. According to Emmons, Palin "was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can't be in the library." Emmons reported that Palin pressed the issue, asking whether Emmons' position would change if residents were picketing the library. Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny, who was at the meeting, corroborates Emmons' story, telling the Chicago Tribune that "Sarah said to Mary Ellen, 'What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?' "

Palin characterized the exchange differently, initially volunteering the episode as an example of discussions with city employees about following her administration's agenda. Palin described her questions to Emmons as "rhetorical," noting that her questions "were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city." Actually, true rhetorical questions have implied answers (e.g., "Who do you think you are?"), so Palin probably meant to describe her questions as hypothetical or theoretical. We can't read minds, so it is impossible for us to know whether or not Palin may actually have wanted to ban books from the library or whether she simply wanted to know how her new employees would respond to an instruction from their boss. It is worth noting that, in an update, the Frontiersman points out that no book was ever banned from the library's shelves.

Palin initially requested Emmons' resignation, along with those of Wasilla's other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997, Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief. According to the Chicago Tribune, Palin did not list censorship as a reason for Emmons' firing, but said she didn't feel she had Emmons' support. The decision caused "a stir" in the small town, according to a newspaper account at the time. According to a widely circulated e-mail from Kilkenny, "city residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter."

As we've noted, Palin did not attempt to ban any library books. We don't know if Emmons' resistance to Palin's questions about possible censorship had anything to do with Emmons' firing. And we have no idea if the protests had any impact on Palin at all. There simply isn't any evidence that we can find either way. Palin did re-hire Emmons the following day, saying that she now felt she had the librarian's backing. Emmons continued to serve as librarian until August 1999, when the Chicago Tribune reports that she resigned.

So what about that list of books targeted for banning, which according to one widely e-mailed version was taken "from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board"? If it was, the library board should take up fortune telling. The list includes the first four Harry Potter books, none of which had been published at the time of the Palin-Emmons conversations. The first wasn't published until 1998. In fact, the list is a simple cut-and-paste job, snatched (complete with typos and the occasional incorrect title) from the Florida Institute of Technology library Web page, which presents the list as "Books banned at one time or another in the United States."

Closet Secessionist?

Palin was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party – which calls for a vote on whether Alaska should secede from the union or remain a state – despite mistaken reports to the contrary. But her husband was a member for years, and she attended at least one party convention, as mayor of the town in which it was held.

The party's chair originally told reporters that Palin had been a member, but the official later retracted that statement. Chairwoman Lynette Clark told the New York Times that false information had been given to her by another member of the party after she first told the Times and others that Palin joined the AIP in 1994. Clark issued an apology on the AIP Web site.

The director of Alaska's Division of Elections, Gail Fenumiai, confirms that Palin registered to vote in the state for the first time in May 1982 as a Republican and hasn't changed her party affiliation since. She also told FactCheck.org that Palin's husband, Todd, was registered with AIP from October 1995 to July 2000, and again from September 2000 until July 2002. (He has since been registered as undeclared.) However, the AIP says Todd Palin "never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time."

There is still some dispute as to whether Sarah Palin also attended the AIP's 1994 convention, held in Wasilla. Clark and another AIP official told ABC News' Jake Tapper that both Palins were there. Palin was elected mayor of Wasilla two years later. The McCain campaign says Sarah Palin went to the 2000 AIP convention, also held in Wasilla, "as a courtesy since she was mayor." As governor, Palin sent a video message to the 2008 convention, which is available on YouTube, and the AIP says she attended in 2006 when she was campaigning.

Didn't Endorse Pat Buchanan

Claims that Palin endorsed conservative Republican Pat Buchanan for president in the 2000 campaign are false. She worked for conservative Republican Steve Forbes.

The incorrect reports stem from an Associated Press story on July 17, 1999, that said Palin was "among those sporting Buchanan buttons" at a lunch for Buchanan attended by about 85 people, during a swing he took through Fairbanks and Wasilla. Buchanan didn't help matters when he told a reporter for the liberal publication The Nation on Aug. 29: "I'm pretty sure she's a Buchananite." But in fact, she wasn't.

Soon after The AP story appeared, Palin wrote in a letter to the editor of the Anchorage Daily News that she had merely worn a Buchanan button as a courtesy to her visitor and was not endorsing him. The letter, published July 26, 1999, said:

Palin, July 26, 1999: As mayor of Wasilla, I am proud to welcome all presidential candidates to our city. This is true regardless of their party, or the latest odds of their winning. When presidential candidates visit our community, I am always happy to meet them. I'll even put on their button when handed one as a polite gesture of respect.

Though no reporter interviewed me for the Associated Press article on the recent visit by a presidential candidate (Metro, July 17), the article may have left your readers with the perception that I am endorsing this candidate, as opposed to welcoming his visit to Wasilla. As mayor, I will welcome all the candidates in Wasilla.

Palin actually worked for Forbes. Less than a month after being spotted wearing the "courtesy" button for Buchanan, she was named to the state leadership committee of the Forbes effort. The Associated Press reported on Aug. 7, 1999:

The Associated Press, Aug. 7 1999: State Sen. Mike Miller of Fairbanks will head the Alaska campaign chairman for Republican presidential candidate Steve Forbes, campaign officials said. Joining the Fairbanks Republican on the leadership committee will be Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin, and former state GOP chairman Pete Hallgren, who will serve as co-chairs.

Still, after nine years, the truth has yet to catch up completely.

No Creationism in Schools

On Aug. 29, the Boston Globe reported that Palin was open to teaching creationism in public schools. That's true. She supports teaching creationism alongside evolution, though she has not actively pursued such a policy as governor.

In an Oct. 25, 2006, debate, when asked about teaching alternatives to evolution, Palin replied:

Palin, Oct. 25, 2006: Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject – creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.

A couple of days later, Palin amended that statement in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying:

Palin, Oct. 2006: I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum.

After her election, Palin let the matter drop. The Associated Press reported Sept 3: "Palin's children attend public schools and Palin has made no push to have creationism taught in them. ... It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans." The article was headlined, "Palin has not pushed creation science as governor." It was written by Dan Joling, who reports from Anchorage and has covered Alaska for 30 years.

That E-mail Author

Switching gears: Almost 100 readers have written to ask us if the many claims made about Palin in an e-mail written by someone named Anne Kilkenny are true. We can tell you that Kilkenny is a real person. (She was quoted by the Chicago Tribune, as we said above.) According to the New York Times, she's a Democrat. According to Kilkenny herself, Palin "has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship."

We're still analyzing Kilkenny's claims, and we will be posting something on this soon.

Republished with permission from factcheck.org.

Correction: In our original story, we incorrectly said that a few of the claims we examine here were included in the e-mail by Kilkenny. Only one of the claims – about the librarian's firing – was similar to an item in that e-mail. We regret the error.

Update, Sept. 9: We have revised this section dealing with accusations that Palin wanted to ban books from Wasilla's library to include more detail about what transpired at the time.

Sources Sutton, Anne. "Governor signs revamped education package into law." Anchorage Daily News, 28 Mar. 2008.

Holland, Megan. "Intensive needs funding examined." Anchorage Daily News, 12 Jan. 2008.

Cavanagh, Sean. "Alaska Legislators Overhaul Funding." Education Week, 29 Apr. 2008.

Hawkins, John. "This Is The Sarah Palin Bikini Shot You Are Looking For And, No, It's Not Real." Right Wing News, 2 Sept. 2008.

Godel, Addison. "elizabeth - american flag bikini rifle." Posted on flickr Web site, accessed 8 Sept. 2008.

Joling, Dan. "Palin has not pushed creation science as governor." The Associated Press, 3 Sept. 2008.

Hayes, Christopher. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite." The Nation "Capitolism" Web site, 29 Aug. 2008.

Palin, Sarah. "Letters from the People." Anchorage Daily News. 26 July 1999; 5B.

The Associated Press: "Forbes sets Alaska leadership team," 7 Aug 1999.

Kizzia, Tom. "'Creation science' enters the race." Anchorage Daily News, 27 Oct. 2006.

Paulson, Michael. "Sarah Palin on faith, life and creation." The Boston Globe, 29 Aug. 2008.

Tapper, Jake. "Another AIP Official Says Palin Was at 1994 Convention." ABCNews.com, 2 Sept. 2008.

Tapper, Jake. "Members of 'Fringe' Alaskan Independence Party Incorrectly Say Palin Was a Member in 90s." ABCNews.Com, 1Sept. 2008.

Komarnitsky, S.J. "Wasilla Keeps Librarian, But Police Chief Is Out." 1 February 1997. The Anchorage Daily News, 8 Sept. 2008.

Stuart, Paul. "FROM THE ARCHIVE: Palin: Library Censorship Inquiries 'Rhetorical'." 18 December 1996. Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman, 8 Sept. 2008.

White, Rindi. "Palin Asked City Librarian Whether She'd Ban Books." 7 September 2008. The Chicago Tribune, 8 Sept. 2008.

URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/157986© 2008

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I left everything intact and only added bolding and underlining to help break out parts of the article.

With that said, it is nice/good/refreshing to see a news organization actually try to find the truth regarding topics of importance to the nation. Does this piece mean that Newsweek is now in the pocket of the gopers? Hmmmmm......

There are still questions and other matters to be answered, but this seems to be a decent start.

I especially like the part about her supporting PJB! And all the time she was a closet Steve Forbes supporter! < /sarcasm> LOL.

And with that said, I still am not voting for Sarah! Sarah! Sarah! because, at least mainly because, of the top of the ticket, the POW Hater.

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#1. To: rowdee (#0)

And with that said, I still am not voting for Sarah! Sarah! Sarah! because, at least mainly because, of the top of the ticket, the POW Hater.

Not to mention that "he" is an open-border traitor and enemy of the 2nd Amendment.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-09   16:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: X-15, rowdee, all (#1)

The options, as I see them, in NO particular order:

1. Stay home.

2. Vote R, and hope.

3. I don't know.

Help me out here folks.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-09   17:53:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: rowdee (#0)

Claims that Palin endorsed conservative Republican Pat Buchanan for president in the 2000 campaign are false. She worked for conservative Republican Steve Forbes

I doubt Miss Bushbot was all too enthusiastic about Ron Paul either.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-09   18:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: rowdee (#0)

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She's been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

Oh well.

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Tauzero  posted on  2008-09-09   18:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lodwick (#2)

The best option is to head for the hills. It doesn't matter who is in the White House when the real rulers of the USA get away with murder on a daily basis.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-09-09   18:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tauzero (#4) (Edited)

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She's been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

If Palin really were a Buchanan or Paul supporter, McCain and his PNAC handlers would never have picked her as VP in the first place.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-09   18:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: lodwick (#2)

Revolution against the current government and installing the government our Founding Fathers intended for us to have is the only option at this point, neither party is willing to step up and do the right thing.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-09   22:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: RickyJ, all (#5)

The best option is to head for the hills. It doesn't matter who is in the White House when the real rulers of the USA get away with murder on a daily basis.

Indeed. The 'hills' option is being actively put in place. One home at a time.

We may have room for more in the near future.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-09   22:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lodwick (#2) (Edited)

Vote R, and hope.

You just do that and hope the past eight years will miraculously change when you vote for more-of-the-same please.

angle  posted on  2008-09-09   23:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: rowdee (#0)

the POW Hater.

That's lame. McCain doesn't hate POW's.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-09   23:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Old Friend (#10)

Well, of course he doesn't--in your world, old friend. He's the next best thing to a 6" hotdog at the ballpark! Right up there next to Superman and Ann Coulter! Yessiree.

Did you happen to watch any of the POW hearings in the senate a number of years back--back when Senator Bob Smith, R- New Hampshire, was working with POW families to try to get action to get an actual accounting for all the sightings which had been reported?

Did you happen to see the POW Hater push aside POW family members?

Of course you didn't.....you were probably still in your playpen too young to have watched, and no doubt, too disinterested in the topic as to read about it!

He's the one who has worked most diligently to get his records as well as all the other POW records closed.

But then, it just conveniently comes out that he is the one pushing the loudest and hardest to get normalized relations with the Viet Cong government for trading purposes----ah yes, the almighty green machine. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money. Money.....as sang in Cabaret! All about money.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-10   0:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Old Friend (#10)

McCain doesn't hate POW's.

What an interesting strategy. Shilling for McCain while denying that you're a McCain shill.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10   0:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Old Friend, rowdee (#10)

the POW Hater.

That's lame. McCain doesn't hate POW's.

McCain was the one who called off the search for the missing POW's in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.

McCain is a total loser and idiot.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   0:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rupert_Pupkin, Old Friend (#12)

To Old Friend: What an interesting strategy. Shilling for McCain while denying that you're a McCain shill.

Isn't that the definition of a hypocrite?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   0:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TwentyTwelve, rowdee (#13) (Edited)

McCain may not hate POW's, but he sure didn't give a damn about them. "I got mine, so screw the rest of your" has been that hypocritical bastard's motto since he was in diapers. He's gotten worse since he made it to Washington and will be a nightmare in the White House. Each of his policies, from amnesty for illegals to McCain- Feingold, has been his way of taking a big dump on the American people.

It's like I said before. I couldn't stand Bush Sr. Then, Clinton was such a disaster that I really missed Daddy Bush. Then Junior came along, and made me miss Clinton. Either Obummer or Juan Mac will make us call the Bush years "the good ole days."

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10   0:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)

What an interesting strategy. Shilling for McCain while denying that you're a McCain shill.

Doesn't quite work.

angle  posted on  2008-09-10   0:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#15)

Either Obummer or Juan Mac will make us call the Bush years "the good ole days."

It keeps getting worse.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   0:26:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lodwick (#2)

William Kristol fought hard to get Palin the VP nomination with the McCain camp. That would be archbishop of neoconservatism William Kristol. She may be who she says she is, I don't know. Nonetheless, this should hoist up numerous yellow and red flags.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2008-09-10   0:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: scooter (#18)

William Kristol fought hard to get Palin the VP nomination

well, well.

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christine  posted on  2008-09-10   0:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)

What an interesting strategy. Shilling for McCain while denying that you're a McCain shill.

I'm just stating the facts. Rowdee doesn't know McCains heart. I defend Obama too when he is unfairly targeted. You see I am interested in the truth not just hating everyone because they have a D or an R by their name.

The fact is that Obama is worse then McCain.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   8:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine (#19)

William Kristol fought hard to get Palin the VP nomination

Willima Kristol is an asshole.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   8:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)

McCain was the one who called off the search for the missing POW's in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia.

He didn't have the power to call of the search. It was a consensus. I disagreed with him at the time. Maybe he knew no more people were going to be coming home. Do you have some information where some MIA's are? Or are you just speculating?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   8:55:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: rowdee (#11)

in your world

He's the one who has worked most diligently to get his records as well as all the other POW records closed.

What is this in your world crap. We all live in the same world. Just because someone has different views then you do. I no reason to claim they live in a different world.

Hey according to your second comment. Maybe McCain was never really a POW and he made it up. Maybe he is a Vietnamese agent.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   8:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Old Friend (#23)

"world" as in your view of the world around you, i.e., everything is rosy because you don't see the 20 ft godzilla behind you because you don't look there.

And yes, I wonder a lot if he isn't, in fact, an agent of the VC. He sure was quick to suck up to them for trade relations--why that is something one could wonder and speculate about. Do ya ever wonder how many other beaten and tortured POWS just think the world of the VC and were on the front lines demanding that trade relations be established with them? I just wonder because I have not heard of a single one--not one. Just him.......the hot shot reckless pilot, the son and grandson of admirals, who has a very questionable record about what happened during his time of imprisonment.

I sure don't recall that James Stockdale came out demanding trade relations with them.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-10   12:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#6)

If Palin really were a Buchanan or Paul supporter, McCain and his PNAC handlers would never have picked her as VP in the first place.

‘Like A Really Bad Disney Movie’: Actor Matt Damon Condemns Sarah Palin

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   20:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: scooter (#18)

She may be who she says she is, I don't know. Nonetheless, this should hoist up numerous yellow and red flags.

www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/174153/834/246/581480

Palin thinks Pledge written by Founding Fathers by JLFinch

Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 02:56:04 PM PDT

Good lord, this woman is a female George Bush.

Here is Palin's response to a candidate questionnaire for the Alaska 2006 gubernatorial race:

11. Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

Sarah Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

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Good enough for the founding fathers? Good enough for the founding fathers? "Under God" was added in 1951.

The Pledge of Allegiance has absolutely NO connections to the founders of the United States.

It was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.

Bellamy's original Pledge read, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   20:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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