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Title: Obama really screwed up with his PIG comment....Game Over...Checkmate
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Published: Sep 10, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-09-10 09:07:33 by Old Friend
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Obama made a huge mistake in my view with the pig comment. Now McCain has a new ad out that is gong to cream Obama. Women will be upset by this i'm sure. Rightly or wrongly. I do have one question about this ad though. Maybe some of you can help me out. There is a comment by Katie Couric and she talks about sexism. Was she talking about Obama's pig comment. I kind of doubt it. So it is a little disingenuous on the McCains camps part to put that part in the ad. I'm sure it will be quite effective though. It seems like Obama is losing it with these new poll numbers that are coming out.

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#15. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

Standard response I expect from a zombie. Can't think when confronted with new concepts outside the party line.

"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.

Destro  posted on  2008-09-10   10:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Destro (#10)

And here I thought I was talking to a conservative. If General Lee was asked what country he was from (or anyone else from his generation before the Civil War) he would have said Virginia

AHHH...a student of history I see. I also, am from the great country of Virginia. :?)

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2008-09-10   11:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Destro (#15)

You're not off to a real good start here, Mr NY is a country.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-10   11:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Old Friend (#0)

To quote Mr. McCready, a character in V to much better effect then he, Bullocks.

McCain with his use of the same common expression, with Obama's use of it long before McCain's choice for his co-loser in this race has over reached his hand.

Barack Obama merely has to pluck the ripe fruit of people's weariness of Swift Boat lies and garbage and call McCain's hand.

John McCain's hand will fold, and he will lose this election.

This election is the people's choice to make. Not McCain's, not Bush's, not Carl Rowe's or any other manipulative wannabe who operates to get their way by dividing people.

There is no damage in this remark, only in the phony and contrived reaction to it that is so transparent to everybody.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-10   11:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Destro (#2)

Beastro, how are you doing? Good to see you still out there.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-10   11:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

J.T.

Not to jump into the middle of the fray but, prior to the war of Northern aggression, each state was recognised as a sovereign, independent, country with it's own individual form of government. Senators, at the time, were basically considered ambassadors to Washington DC and could be recalled at the will of the state.

Lincoln, in fact, offered Lee control over the entire northern forces and Lee's response was that he could not go to war against is country.

The loss of the war by the south consolidated power in DC and the slide to an all powerful central government started...the very thing the framers warned us about. The southern states were in fact fighting FOR the Constitution and states rights...interesting this isn't taught in school today/s. It would certainly be easy to make the argument that the Constitution of these united states was lost on April 9, 1865.

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2008-09-10   11:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

This election is the people's choice to make. Not McCain's, not Bush's, not Carl Rowe's or any other manipulative wannabe who operates to get their way by dividing people.

You are very naive Mike. Of course this (s)Election will be decided by image and manipulation (and vote fraud) - just as they have all been since LBJ.

And Oh'Bummer's embracing the Mental Hellth State e.g., the Orwellian "New Freedom" Initiative to drug every kid in America on mind control drugs is not exactly a ringing endorsement. Both of the so-called candidates are foul scum, it is just a matter of which one stinks less.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-10   11:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent, Ferret Mike, wudidiz (#21)

Of course this (s)Election will be decided by image and manipulation (and vote fraud) - just as they have all been since LBJ.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   12:04:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

Let's be clear...I can't stand McInsane, or Obammy for that matter, but I firmly believe the old kook WILL stomp Obammy...not because of anything he's done...but when the RNC got Palin, they made a BRILLIANT move. This is going to bring on board the sleeping "conservative" base that was not energized by liberal McNasty and the fact she is a woman going to bring on a lot of women voters. I really like what I'm hearing from Palin but I refuse to vote for the crazy one just so she can be VP. I REFUSE to vote for the lessor of 2 evils...so I'm be voting for the person that BEST reflects my views...Chuck Baldwin, and NO, I'm NOT throwing away my vote.

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2008-09-10   12:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Freedomsnotfree (#23) (Edited)

I really like what I'm hearing from Palin

Do you like what you hear from Bush and Cheney too? Because what I hear from Palin sounds awfully familiar - some blither about how the war in Iraq is a task from God. Seems to me that's exactly the same crap that we've been hearing from the White House for many years now.

n ews.yahoo.com/story//ap/..._el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10   12:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Freedomsnotfree, Ferret Mike, burkeman1 (#23)

Burkeman introduced me to a line of thought that thinks we should vote for the local guys in election, mayor - dog catcher, etc. But when voting do not vote for the presidential office and maybe not even for for the congressman or senator because the federal election system is rigged/controlled and the outcomes are predetermined because almost all elected officials from both parties on a federal level are vetted and in the pocket of the oligarch system that runs the federal govt.

I have been voting Libertarian as a 'protest' vote since Clinton but I may start and not vote for anyone in federal office - just the local guys. If this movement grows then it may shake things up when officials see the citizen ignoring all but the local elections.

"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.

Destro  posted on  2008-09-10   12:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

There is no damage in this remark, only in the phony and contrived reaction to it that is so transparent to everybody.

There is damage in it. He may not have meant to call her a pig. But the damage is in peoples perception of his words. It will push some people over to McCain. Don't doubt it.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   12:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#19)

Still kicking.

"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.

Destro  posted on  2008-09-10   12:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

This election is the people's choice to make.

this is where we majorly part company. yeah, the people are given a choice in the first place with puppet A or puppet B both controlled by CorporationUSA. in the second place, we have more than enough evidence of massive vote fraud which has occurred for decades in this country.

a truism: "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes." ~Stalin

a vote for one or the other branch of the establishment party only serves to enable the ongoing fraud.

wudiziz's friend said this. sage, imo. "Don't vote. It only encourages them."

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-10   12:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#21)

You are very naive Mike. Of course this (s)Election will be decided by image and manipulation (and vote fraud) - just as they have all been since LBJ.

i think way before that.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-10   12:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent, christine, Ferret Mike (#21)

You are very naive Mike. Of course this (s)Election will be decided by image and manipulation (and vote fraud) - just as they have all been since LBJ.

I'm not a big believer in outright vote fraud deciding elections.

Why would they bother with such a risky scheme, when the mass media and political parties have narrowed the (non)choice down to two candidates who are equally acceptable to the establishment elites?

The basic strategy is to have the party machines and mass media marginalize and black out any candidates who might really shake things up (Ron Paul, etc), all the while making sure that whether you have an R or a D, the powers that be are equally happy. There isn't any need for vote fraud when nobody knows about or gets to vote for anyone other than two candidates that have the right brand name seals of approval.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10   12:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Freedomsnotfree (#23)

I REFUSE to vote for the lessor of 2 evils...so I'm be voting for the person that BEST reflects my views...Chuck Baldwin, and NO, I'm NOT throwing away my vote.

Good second choice you've made. Me, it'll be a write in for Ron Paul.

I just love telling anyone within earshot that I will be writing in Ron Paul. Many reply back that I'll be throwing my vote away or that I'll be helping elect one of the lesser of 2 evils. They invaribably tip their hand on who they support. Most can't even say why they support obanger or mcinsane. I guess it is cause their daddy told them to vote pubby or demonwit. The hell with the real concerns and issues.

One of my friends used to own an Isaly's store and restaurant. Every election day he put a sign in the main front window asking passerby's not to vote. The sign said we already had enough crooks in government as it is. He also layed out the former Spotlight newspaper focusing on the governmental corruption.

It would be easy to brand him as an anti-semite because he supported the Spotlight and they appeared to be anti-semitic. However, one of his best friens is Jewish. Both are retired and believe it or not, they exchange Christmas cards and visit each other from time to time. When his Jewish friend hits town, his first stop is the synogouge and then on to his friends place for some chatter and good food. I guess we could call them The Odd Couple.

Now, if you have a fear of voting for one of the lesser of 2 evils, vote for one of the minority party candidates and help get rid of the garbage.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-09-10   12:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rupert_Pupkin, LACUMO (#30) (Edited)

wouldn't it be great though if we all stayed home en masse or do what LAC and many others are doing, vote third party. i know it's a pipe dream because there are too many who benefit monetarily, etc with the system in place.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-10   12:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Freedomsnotfree, Destro (#20) (Edited)

I hear you FNF, but I suspect our friend Destro is a somewhat 'new' American here to give us lessons on our government.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-10   12:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: angle (#13)

I want that pic on a campaign button!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-10   12:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull, angle (#34)

I want that pic on a campaign button!!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   13:00:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#32)

A lot of people who don't vote, far from being uninformed or not caring, do so out of frustration with the candidates.

I think that the best way for them to vent their frustration is by a third party protest vote. However, not voting could be the next best thing. If the day comes when only 20% of eligible voters do so, idiots like Bush can't go around talking about a "mandate."

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10   13:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#36)

A lot of people who don't vote, far from being uninformed or not caring, do so out of frustration with the candidates.

Or they may have figgered out that sockpuppet A will be about the same as sockpuppet B.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-10   13:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#24)

R.P.

I definitely DON'T like her stance on the war. I think we should mind our own business.

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2008-09-10   13:27:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Destro (#25)

I have no doubt they can sway an election but I'm not convinced they can completely change the outcome of an overwhelming election. At any rate...I'll vote against the establishment's one party system and vote for Ron Paul, if he's on the ticket, or Chuck Baldwin if he's not.

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2008-09-10   13:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: LACUMO (#31)

Paul is my first choice if he's on the ballot...if not, Chuck gets the vote. I'm NOT an anti-semite, whatever that means, but I think we need to stop funding Israel, get the Zonists out of our government and let those in the mid-east fight their own wars. I also have some real interest in who Rev.2:9 & Rev.3:9 is referring to.

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2008-09-10   13:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Old Friend (#0)

Have you heard about this?

" Palin Is Not Snow White

This is how Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin described Barack Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton to political colleagues in a restaurant a few days after Obama locked up the Democratic Party presidential nomination.

According to Lucille, the waitress serving her table at the time and who asked that her last name not be used, Gov. Palin was eating lunch with five or six people when the subject of the Democrat’s primary battle came up. The governor, seemingly not caring that people at nearby tables would likely hear her, uttered the slur and then laughed loudly as her meal mates joined in appreciatively.

What Did Palin Say

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

It was a direct jab at Obama beating Hillary Clinton....."

judicial-inc.biz/89palin_is_not_snow_white.htm

If this is true, pray for "Lucille".

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-09-10   14:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Old Friend (#41)

What Did Palin Say

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

ROTFLOL!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   14:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TwentyTwelve (#42)

ROTFLOL!

true!...but the Klintons leave a long trail of bodies....and so do the Zionists. That poor waitress might have wanted to keep quiet, but Juneau is a small town, and the temptation to share in the hoopla might have been too much for her. Don't know which puppets the Zionists would prefer at this date, and don't much care. I just hope Lucille doesn't end up in the Channel for her indiscretion.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-09-10   15:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent (#21)

You are very naive Mike. Of course this (s)Election will be decided by image and manipulation (and vote fraud) - just as they have all been since LBJ.

It will come to down to this: Who can sell more dolls and superhero toys, Obama or Palin?

Right now, Palin dolls and glasses are selling fast, hence the betting odds changing in favor of McCain.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-09-10   15:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull, Freedomsnotfree (#33)

I hear you FNF, but I suspect our friend Destro is a somewhat 'new' American here to give us lessons on our government.

New to this forum or the USA? Or both? I have been in the USA and a citizen as long as I have been alive. Ex GOP party member to - disgusts me I violated Washington's final warning and joined a political party. Oh, wait am I not supposed to know that fact about American history either? GO METS!

"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.

Destro  posted on  2008-09-10   15:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Old Friend (#0)

I just saw Contessa Brewer come completely unhinged on MSNBC-TV. She lost all journalistic "integrity" and was combative, opinionated, and flat out rude in her defense of Obama. I thought I wasn't supposed to know anything about a reporters' personal politics unless they were clearly in an editorial segment of a program???

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-10   15:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Old Friend (#0)

And they aren't showing the paper around rotten fish comment.

Shades of Dukakis.

Of course, with "rotten fish", another whole connotation.

All in all, he doesn't help his case with this comment.

The best defence seems to be is that it ain't much, get over it.

But that ignores the reality of perceptions, a dead giveaway being the full defence being employed by this comment, in addition to the race turning into Obama v Palin.

The state polls aren't lookin good either!

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-10   15:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#43)

I just hope Lucille doesn't end up in the Channel for her indiscretion.

Lucille had better hide and keep a low profile.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-10   16:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Destro (#45)

GO METS!

I went to somewhere North of 30 home games during the miracle year of 1969.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-09-10   16:31:19 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#41)

“So Sambo beat the bitch!”

If she actually said this, it would have been all over the news by now and Mad Mac would be looking for a new running mate. Just gossip mill material, IMO. One thing the MSM does not tolerate in its puppet candidates is political incorrectness, humorous or not.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10   16:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Old Friend (#26)

As you probably recall, Palin got applause at the Republican National Convention when she said that the only difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom (meaning herself) is that the latter wears lipstick. So, is she dissing herself here?

There is a double standard at work, and those who buy into a double standard and gimmicks over substance are going to vote the way they will whether or not such a bald attempt at a Swift boat slam dunk is attempted or not.

But I do think that this being such a clear case of false indignation will hurt McCain with swing voters. We differ on our take on this, but I have not wavered in the slightest bit in my confidence in Obama winning this race.

Nothing has happened that I didn't expect, and Obama has yet to suffer more then the usual scrapes and bumps all candidates suffer in such a race.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-10   16:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#49)

Lance is back and going to race next year's Tour De France.

GO LANCE! ;-)


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-10   16:46:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull (#49)

I went to somewhere North of 30 home games during the miracle year of 1969.

Wow, your old. :)

"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.

Destro  posted on  2008-09-10   16:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#51) (Edited)

But I do think that this being such a clear case of false indignation will hurt McCain with swing voters. We differ on our take on this, but I have not wavered in the slightest bit in my confidence in Obama winning this race.

Nothing has happened that I didn't expect, and Obama has yet to suffer more then the usual scrapes and bumps all candidates suffer in such a race.

Obama's opponent is a guy who will continue the policies of a President with a 28% approval rating. If BHO were a halfway competent candidate, he'd be a shoe- in.

Anyone running against George W. Bush's third term ought to be ahead in the polls by wide double digits. Instead, Obummer and Mad Mac are in dead heat, with Mad Mac actually ahead in most polls. That doesn't say very much about Obama's candidacy.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10   16:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: christine (#32)

wouldn't it be great though if we all stayed home en masse or do what LAC and many others are doing, vote third party. i know it's a pipe dream because there are too many who benefit monetarily, etc with the system in place.

It would be great to vote for a third party candidate. If we stay home, the lousy corrupt Constitutional hating twits will believe they have already won and will believe they have a mandate.

Vote third party or minority party and vote early and often. Screw these freaking control freaks. Simply ignoring will only embolden them. Let us take the Patrick Henry approach and pledge. " Give us liberty or we'll give you death".

LACUMO  posted on  2008-09-10   16:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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