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Title: Obama really screwed up with his PIG comment....Game Over...Checkmate
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Published: Sep 10, 2008
Author: Campaign ad
Post Date: 2008-09-10 09:07:33 by Old Friend
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Views: 2658
Comments: 138

Obama made a huge mistake in my view with the pig comment. Now McCain has a new ad out that is gong to cream Obama. Women will be upset by this i'm sure. Rightly or wrongly. I do have one question about this ad though. Maybe some of you can help me out. There is a comment by Katie Couric and she talks about sexism. Was she talking about Obama's pig comment. I kind of doubt it. So it is a little disingenuous on the McCains camps part to put that part in the ad. I'm sure it will be quite effective though. It seems like Obama is losing it with these new poll numbers that are coming out.

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#18. To: Old Friend (#0)

To quote Mr. McCready, a character in V to much better effect then he, Bullocks.

McCain with his use of the same common expression, with Obama's use of it long before McCain's choice for his co-loser in this race has over reached his hand.

Barack Obama merely has to pluck the ripe fruit of people's weariness of Swift Boat lies and garbage and call McCain's hand.

John McCain's hand will fold, and he will lose this election.

This election is the people's choice to make. Not McCain's, not Bush's, not Carl Rowe's or any other manipulative wannabe who operates to get their way by dividing people.

There is no damage in this remark, only in the phony and contrived reaction to it that is so transparent to everybody.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-10   11:48:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

There is no damage in this remark, only in the phony and contrived reaction to it that is so transparent to everybody.

There is damage in it. He may not have meant to call her a pig. But the damage is in peoples perception of his words. It will push some people over to McCain. Don't doubt it.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   12:28:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Old Friend (#26)

As you probably recall, Palin got applause at the Republican National Convention when she said that the only difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom (meaning herself) is that the latter wears lipstick. So, is she dissing herself here?

There is a double standard at work, and those who buy into a double standard and gimmicks over substance are going to vote the way they will whether or not such a bald attempt at a Swift boat slam dunk is attempted or not.

But I do think that this being such a clear case of false indignation will hurt McCain with swing voters. We differ on our take on this, but I have not wavered in the slightest bit in my confidence in Obama winning this race.

Nothing has happened that I didn't expect, and Obama has yet to suffer more then the usual scrapes and bumps all candidates suffer in such a race.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-10   16:44:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#51) (Edited)

But I do think that this being such a clear case of false indignation will hurt McCain with swing voters. We differ on our take on this, but I have not wavered in the slightest bit in my confidence in Obama winning this race.

Nothing has happened that I didn't expect, and Obama has yet to suffer more then the usual scrapes and bumps all candidates suffer in such a race.

Obama's opponent is a guy who will continue the policies of a President with a 28% approval rating. If BHO were a halfway competent candidate, he'd be a shoe- in.

Anyone running against George W. Bush's third term ought to be ahead in the polls by wide double digits. Instead, Obummer and Mad Mac are in dead heat, with Mad Mac actually ahead in most polls. That doesn't say very much about Obama's candidacy.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10   16:51:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#54)

At least two factors are at work here:

(1) The corporate media, including 99 percent of the overpaid anchors, are for the GOP because of tax policy issues. They have a personal stake in not being taxed at higher rates plus their corporate bosses have even bigger stakes.

(2) Obama is still (half) black.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-09-10   16:59:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Sam Houston (#56)

(2) Obama is still (half) black.

To be more accurate he is half African. His ancestors are not linked to the Africans that arrived to the USA over generations.

That is the curious (neither good or bad) about Obama - he was an outsider all round. He was outsider even within the black community because he is a first generation African without any link to the African American with slave ancestors and the culture they produced. That is why it may seem he can move beyond Black politics - they really are not his people per say even though America's culture kind of pigeon holes him as part of the group - a group he adopted late in life to fit in.

I say this not in the way a Rush Limbough type would say it as in Obama adopted black Americans as his own for political purposes like this was planned from the get go. If Obama had grown up in South Africa under aparthied he would have adopted the culture of the 'coloreds' who were the mixed race groups in that system. Society always tries to force you into a group or role based on who you were born to and what you resemble.

Destro  posted on  2008-09-10   17:14:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#61. To: Destro (#59) (Edited)

That is the curious (neither good or bad) about Obama - he was an outsider all round. He was outsider even within the black community because he is a first generation African without any link to the African American with slave ancestors and the culture they produced. That is why it may seem he can move beyond Black politics - they really are not his people per say even though America's culture kind of pigeon holes him as part of the group - a group he adopted late in life to fit in.

The blacks I've known who are actually from Africa usually don't have the attitude problems typical of American blacks. They don't generally play the victim card or use their race as an excuse for their lot in life, at least not to the degree that US blacks who learned to play the race card before they could walk.

Maybe South Africans are different, the ones I've met have been from Kenya or Nigeria.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-10 17:20:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Destro (#59)

without any link to the African American with slave ancestors

All the more puzzling his links with Wright.

He had no need to subscribe to the narrative of Black America.

Many African immigrants don't.

Yet he did. For political reasons, perhaps his wife's urgings.

What may have been smart in the wards of Chicago, then to win a Senate seat both locally and nationally and then the Dem primary has it's pitfalls with the greater electorate, particularly when Hillary held her fire.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-10 17:46:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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