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Title: Obama really screwed up with his PIG comment....Game Over...Checkmate
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Published: Sep 10, 2008
Author: Campaign ad
Post Date: 2008-09-10 09:07:33 by Old Friend
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Views: 1661
Comments: 138

Obama made a huge mistake in my view with the pig comment. Now McCain has a new ad out that is gong to cream Obama. Women will be upset by this i'm sure. Rightly or wrongly. I do have one question about this ad though. Maybe some of you can help me out. There is a comment by Katie Couric and she talks about sexism. Was she talking about Obama's pig comment. I kind of doubt it. So it is a little disingenuous on the McCains camps part to put that part in the ad. I'm sure it will be quite effective though. It seems like Obama is losing it with these new poll numbers that are coming out.

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#99. To: buckeye (#79)

Nothing new about that.

No, sadly enough, that is true.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-10   20:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Old Friend (#80)

I may vote Baldwin. Is he on the ballot in Ohio? I assumed he was. I'll have to check that sometime.

I have no idea. Don't live there.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-10   20:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Old Friend (#85)

If you don't vote you shouldn't complain. Because you have nothing to complain about. You can't complain because the wrong guy got in there. You can't complain that they stole your vote.

I wouldn't waste my time and the gas to go to the polls to vote for establishment candidate A or B since they are both owned by the same people and will do what they are told. Only independent people like Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin, people who haven't sold out, deserve any vote from me 'cause I don't vote for the "lesser of two evils." It is still evil.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-10   20:24:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Freedomsnotfree (#88)

We just THINK we're free.

Not all of us think that because we know that Americans are much less "freer" now than our grandparents and their parents were. This article speaks to that very well I think.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-10   20:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#92)

Your chicken shit to answer if youtube should have taken the video down. I'll take it that you are an anti free speech communist just like your messiah Obama.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   20:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: buckeye (#87)

Not true, although it's been said often in better times. All that voting means is that you brought yourself to participate. It may be that sitting out a vote says more than going in and pulling one of the pre-approved levers.

What about voting third party?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   20:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: James Deffenbach (#102)

We just THINK we're free.

I am free. Believe me.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   20:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Old Friend (#104)

What about voting third party?

It doesn't give you any more valid option of complaining. It just means that you voted, nothing more. You have a right to complain because you're a citizen. Period.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-10   21:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Old Friend (#103)

Look, stupid, Youtube takes down ten thousand videos every single day. This one was one of ten thousand. If you want to do something interesting, tell everyone WHY Youtube took this stupid political commercial out.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-10   21:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Old Friend (#105)

I am free. Believe me.

Well yes, relatively speaking if you compare your situation to that of an abject slave with a cruel master, you probably are. But it isn't likely that you are as free as you should be or were intended to be. If you are I can only say good for you and I am glad you made it off the plantation and live in perfect freedom. Do you have directions to the Big Rock Candy Mountains?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-10   21:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Old Friend (#105)

I am free. Believe me

old friend...don't pay your tribute (taxes) to the king and you'll see how free you are. Even the surfs in feudal England where only required to pay 25% tribute to their king...in this country, it's more like 70%.

Freedomsnotfree  posted on  2008-09-10   21:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Old Friend, Sonovademocrat (#96)

Obummer knew exactly what he was saying. There's a rumor going around that he got together with that turd James Carville and came up with these snide remarks.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-10   21:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: X-15 (#110) (Edited)

Yes, he's saying that all of the McCain talk is BS. Do you dispute that?

Do you REALLY believe that McCain is going to 'follow Ben Ladin to the gates of Hell?' Of course not. It's BS. What other claims is he making? Oh, yes... what is he going to do about 'evil'? He's going to 'defeat it'. BS again.

Anything else?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-10   21:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#107)

Look, stupid, Youtube takes down ten thousand videos every single day. This one was one of ten thousand. If you want to do something interesting, tell everyone WHY Youtube took this stupid political commercial out.

Why are you calling me stupid? You didn't even answer the question. Lets go for the third or fourth time. Should youtube have taken the video down?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   21:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: X-15 (#110)

There's a rumor going around that he got together with that turd James Carville and came up with these snide remarks.

I don't know about that. Are you trying to start a rumor?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   21:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Old Friend (#113)

Pass it around the internet, just give me credit when James Carville has to go on Hannity & Colmes to deny the rumors ;-)

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-10   21:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Old Friend (#112)

Why are you asking me? Last time I checked Youtube is a private company not a public service utility. Ask them and try to figure out why did they take it out.

Like I said, they took out the Leona Lewis/Jimmi Page video. That pisses me. But, I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN Youtube's decision to take THAT out. Do you care to explain Youtube's action regarding Leona Lewis/Jimmi Page video? And, if not, why not?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-10   21:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#111)

Do you REALLY believe that McCain is going to 'follow Ben Ladin to the gates of Hell?' Of course not. It's BS.

Why would you want to go to the gates of hell anyway?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   21:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Old Friend (#116)

That's what McCain said. He's BS-ing, big time, all the time.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-10   22:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#115)

Why are you asking me? Last time I checked Youtube is a private company not a public service utility. Ask them and try to figure out why did they take it out.

Like I said, they took out the Leona Lewis/Jimmi Page video. That pisses me. But, I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN Youtube's decision to take THAT out. Do you care to explain Youtube's action regarding Leona Lewis/Jimmi Page video? And, if not, why not?

So you can't answer if they should have taken the video down. Instead yougive the excuse that "you can't explain youtubes decision. Then what makes you think you are qualified to explain, or should I say try to explain away each and every of Obamas.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   22:02:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#117)

That's what McCain said. He's BS-ing, big time, all the time.

I know he said that. But Palin is hot. ;)

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   22:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Old Friend (#118)

Like I said, taking out McCain's stupid video is YOUR problem. I couldn't care one way or another. What I CARE is their taking out the Leona Lewis/Jimmy Page video.

So, if you are going to ask them about the McCain stupid video, maybe you can ask them about the video that I CARE ABOUT.

Okay?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-09-10   22:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Old Friend (#111)

Do you REALLY believe that McCain is going to 'follow Ben Ladin to the gates of Hell?

Well, since you asked.......

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-10   22:07:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#120)

NOW THERE IS THIS

Obama On Letterman: 'McCain Policy Is The Pig' Presidential Hopeful Says Media Took His Words And Ran; Defends Bush Policies On Afghanistan, AIDS In Africa NEW YORK (CBS) 53; Presidential hopeful Barack Obama appeared on the "Late Show with David Letterman" in New York on Wednesday after a day of heated debate by media and political pundits over comments some took as a slam against Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Obama spent much of his visit talking about Palin and clarifying his earlier comments.

"This is sort of silly season in politics, not that there's a non-silly season, but it gets sillier," Obama said. "And it's a common expression in at least Illinois. I don't know about New York City. I don't know what you put lipstick on here."

Obama said to him the expression "lipstick on a pig" in this case applies to having a bad idea and trying to pass it off as change.

"Just calling [ideas] change, calling them different doesn't make it better, hence lipstick on a pig," Obama said.

He then clarified his statements even more.

"Keep in mind, technically, had I meant it this way, [Palin] would be the lipstick. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig, just following the logic of this illogical situation," Obama said.

Earlier in the day, Obama accused Republican McCain's campaign of using "lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics" in claiming he used a sexist comment against Palin.

Calling it "the latest made-up controversy by the John McCain campaign," Obama responded to the Republicans' charge that he was referring to Palin when he used the phrase "lipstick on a pig" at a campaign stop Tuesday.

"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics. Enough is enough," he said.

During his visit with Letterman, Obama talked about visiting Disneyland, boyhood memories, joking with his 87-year-old grandmother and embarrassing his daughters on their first day back to school.

Obama said his grandmother's reaction when he won the nomination was pretty simple: "That's nice, that's nice."

Obama praised President George W. Bush's efforts to send aid to countries in Africa. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited the African country in 2007.

"People there are more energetic and optimistic than you could possibly imagine," said Obama.

Regarding rumors of former president Bill Clinton's future as part of an Obama administration cabinet, the senator downplayed that possibility.

"If you're a former president, I don't think you settle for a cabinet position," he said. "It's sort of like Mickey Mantle playing AAA (baseball).

"There's nobody smarter in politics," Obama said of Bill Clinton. "I think he can be a great advocate for the campaign."

(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

Obama is now coming up with meanings to what he said. He ad libbed his pig comment. Now trying to say there was some meaning to it seems like he is lying.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   22:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: X-15 (#121)

That's funny.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-10   22:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: X-15 (#121)

Americans want a Dante-esque President

Hells yes, and Randall could make that Palin bitch bark like a circus seal.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-09-10   22:15:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Ferret Mike (#51)

is she dissing herself here?

You can bet not. She's proud to be thought of as a "pit-bull".

angle  posted on  2008-09-11   7:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Sonovademocrat (#94)

The real sexism was when Obama added the part about something smelling like a rotten fish.

You're very perceptive.

angle  posted on  2008-09-11   8:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: angle (#126)

The real sexism was when Obama added the part about something smelling like a rotten fish.

You're very perceptive.

And so are you !

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-11   8:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Sonovademocrat (#94)

Which comment no one seems to be talking about.....

Fish comments made in reference to women just aren't sushi.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-11   13:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: christine, Rupert Pupkin.All (#32)

vote third party.

Obanger is in danger of losing the black vote. He has promised them all jobs.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-09-11   22:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: christine (#28)

Just got this email. No I did't donate.

They're Getting Desperate

The vicious smears on Gov. Sarah Palin are out of control. They're attacking her family, her faith, her experience, and even her hair.

And here's what Barack Obama said today in what some view as a not-so-subtle reference to John McCain's running mate:

"You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig." ("Obama, Dems sharpen personal attacks on Palin," Jim Vandehei & Mike Allen, Politico, 9/9/08)

Just yesterday, Obama was mocking her as a "moose shooter." It's clearly panic time for the Democrats. These disgusting, chauvinist comments have no place in our politics.

Help us defend Gov. Palin and her family by contributing $25, $50, $100 or $500 today.

While the media and the Democrats attack, our volunteer activity is going through the roof, and the enthusiasm for the McCain-Palin ticket across Ohio has been phenomenal. As I write this, we're adding new staff to accommodate the surge of support.

Help us keep the momentum going! We need critical funds for television ads, candidate mail, phone calls and slate cards.

Donate $25, $50, $100 or $500 right now with a secure, online contribution.

Tell the Democrats you're tired of their smears on Gov. Palin. Enough is enough. Let's win this thing.

Kay Ayres Vice Chair Ohio Republican Party

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-12   14:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: swarthyguy (#128)

Which comment no one seems to be talking about.....

Fish comments made in reference to women just aren't sushi.

Tends to make me think there might have been some subliminal intentions.

Sonovademocrat  posted on  2008-09-12   14:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Sonovademocrat (#131)

Michael Savage pointed out the other night that Obama is really screwed-up due to his mother dumping him off at least twice while she whored herself around the world. For once, Savage made a good observation.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-12   14:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: X-15 (#132)

For once, Savage made a good observation.

Oh savage has made more then one good observation hasn't he?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-09-12   14:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: angle (#125)

"You can bet not. She's proud to be thought of as a "pit-bull"."

just like her hero the Chimp who once called himself a "pit bull on the pants leg of opportunity."


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-12   17:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Ferret Mike (#134)

I Like your tagline.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-12   18:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: noone222, Ferret Mike (#135)

Agreed.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-09-12   18:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Old Friend (#133)

I think Savage gets most of it right ... exception being his total support of the war and Israel. [I don't know of any talk radio host that utters a peep in opposition to the State of Israel ... not one].

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-09-12   19:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Old Friend (#133)

Oh savage has made more then one good observation hasn't he?

A couple, if you can sift through the psychotic rants.....but that's my bias showing....

;-)

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-12   22:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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