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Title: Will Joe Biden be dumped off ticket? Speculation rises about last-minute VP switch for party
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URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75006
Published: Sep 12, 2008
Author: Chelsea Schilling
Post Date: 2008-09-12 11:32:16 by christine
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Views: 1844
Comments: 64

Will Sen. Joe Biden be dropped from the Democratic Party ticket before Election Day?

Television pundits, talk radio personalities and blogs have been buzzing with speculation about a last-minute VP switch for the party.

On Fox's "Hannity & Colmes" last night, Sean Hannity asked Gov. Ed Rendell, D-Pa., "Will they replace Biden with Hillary?"

Rendell replied, "No, absolutely not. Joe Biden is here to stay. Next vice president of the United States."

However, according to recent polls, Biden's popularity is not as high as Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin. Results from a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. national survey released yesterday have Obama and McCain virtually tied – Obama has 49 percent while McCain has 48 percent. But Sarah Palin has surged ahead of Biden on popularity with 55 percent to his 44 percent. Her favorability rating is also 6 percent higher.

Following Sen. Joe Biden's recent statement that Hillary Clinton might have been a better choice for Obama's running mate, a popular online trading exchange website is taking wagers on whether Biden will be withdrawn from the ticket.



ELECTION 2008 Will Joe Biden be dumped off ticket? Speculation rises about last-minute VP switch for party


Posted: September 11, 2008 2:59 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling © 2008 WorldNetDaily

Will Sen. Joe Biden be dropped from the Democratic Party ticket before Election Day?

Television pundits, talk radio personalities and blogs have been buzzing with speculation about a last-minute VP switch for the party.

On Fox's "Hannity & Colmes" last night, Sean Hannity asked Gov. Ed Rendell, D-Pa., "Will they replace Biden with Hillary?"

Rendell replied, "No, absolutely not. Joe Biden is here to stay. Next vice president of the United States."

However, according to recent polls, Biden's popularity is not as high as Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin. Results from a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. national survey released yesterday have Obama and McCain virtually tied – Obama has 49 percent while McCain has 48 percent. But Sarah Palin has surged ahead of Biden on popularity with 55 percent to his 44 percent. Her favorability rating is also 6 percent higher.

Following Sen. Joe Biden's recent statement that Hillary Clinton might have been a better choice for Obama's running mate, a popular online trading exchange website is taking wagers on whether Biden will be withdrawn from the ticket.

Intrade is currently predicting a 7.9 percent chance Biden will be dropped. Until the election is over, the Biden trading category will fluctuate in value between 0 and 100 like a stock reacting to daily news. The price has been steadily increasing since yesterday when Biden said Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., could have been a better candidate for Obama's running mate.

"Make no mistake about this," Biden said at a Nashua, N.H., rally. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let's get that straight. She's a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she's easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America, and quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me. But she's first rate, I mean that sincerely, she's first rate, so let's get that straight."

Many Clinton supporters pushed for an Obama/Clinton ticket following the primaries, arguing she would help Obama win over Hispanics and blue-collar voters. Rather than vetting Clinton, Obama announced Biden as his running mate two days before the Democratic National Convention. Now some are speculating about what could happen to Obama's quest for the presidency if Biden is dropped from the ticket.

The "Sean Hannity Show" featured a reader poll on its website asking, "If Biden gets yanked, is it over?"

Approximately 6.49 percent said "No, he could win," while 22.08 percent said it depends on other circumstances.

A full 71.43 percent responded, "Yes! Pack it up."

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#1. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

Obama would be very stupid to have Clinton as his VP. Sure, it might help him win, but he'd either have to let VP Hillary and her hubby run things, or risk getting added to the Clinton body count.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-12   11:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Rupert_Pupkin, christine (#1)

Obama would be very stupid to have Clinton as his VP. Sure, it might help him win, but he'd either have to let VP Hillary and her hubby run things, or risk getting added to the Clinton body count.

It is looking like Obama will replace Biden with Hillary.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-12   11:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

Joe Biden: Hillary Clinton might have been a better vice-president than me

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-12   11:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Rotara, Kamala, Ferret Mike, aristeides, Peppa, tom007, CadetD, angle, lodwick, Burkeman1, Brian S, all (#0)

Will Sen. Joe Biden be dropped from the Democratic Party ticket before Election Day?

Politically it would be suicide, but Oh'Bummer probably can't win with Bidet on the ticket either. I think he's f**ked.

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional. Biden was such an "off the wall" choice that it caught a lot of people off guard. However, IF you wanted to poison the ticket it was a good choice.

Now, assuming one is dealing with a conservative base revolting against the choice of a McLame a McLame loss to Oh'Bummer would likely cause a surge of interest in reclaiming the GOP by the base - which is much more conservative than the liberal McNutz. So, in order to maintain control, while creating more unrest in the Black Community, you could saddle Oh'Bummer with a real loser for VP, blame the loss on him and not Oh'Bummer, and pacify the GOP base by (s)Electing McLame. This makes the reasoning for the selection of a much more telegenic Sarah Palin more understandable - a "Bush" Republican Endless War supporter to keep the Military Industrial Complex "in the money".

I am speculating, but the actual powers (Rotchilds and Rockefuckers) are Machiavellian enough to think in these kinds of convoluted manipulations. Just speculating mind you.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-12   11:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TwentyTwelve (#2)

It is looking like Obama will replace Biden with Hillary.

LOL!! Did you note the lawsuit against Obama, claiming he can not prove his citizenship?

I wonder where this may be heading.........

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-09-12   11:49:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: christine (#0)

Many Clinton supporters pushed for an Obama/Clinton ticket following the primaries,.... Now some are speculating about what could happen to Obama's quest for the presidency if Biden is dropped from the ticket.

"Living" proof that abortion isn't just limited to babies anymore, Democrats will even abort each other from party tickets. What a sick bunch of human beings.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-12   11:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#1)

obama was chummy chummy and kissing up to ol' bill yesterday.

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christine  posted on  2008-09-12   11:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#7) (Edited)

If Obummer dumps Biden, even some of his supporters will think he's a flake and not a serious candidate. But maybe that was the plan all along? You'd think that with an army of handlers, Obummer would be running a more competent campaign.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-12   11:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rupert_Pupkin, Original_Intent (#8)

talk about entertainment if this does happen...

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christine  posted on  2008-09-12   11:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#9)

talk about entertainment if this does happen...

Kind of a combination of P.T. Barnum and "A Midsummer Night's Dream". :-)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-12   11:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#8)

You'd think that with an army of handlers, Obummer would be running a more competent campaign.

Ah, but there's the crux of the biscuit: it's exactly who his handlers are that are tripping him up at every step. Just think of the infighting going on between Axelrod, Carville, et al. An internal audit of his campaign strategy would probably make General Patton laugh and chortle "Damn amateurs!!".

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-12   12:00:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#9)

I'm inclined to believe Black Obama will stick with Biden Dropping Biden from the ticket would make Obama seem reckless and do more harm than good. On the other hand, Biden might remove himself from the ticket, which, to some extent, would take Obama off the hook.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2008-09-12   12:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: X-15 (#11)

Here's my theory: there are a lot of Clinton loyalist moles around Obummer. No matter what they say in public, the Clintons are bitter over Hillary's loss, and are working to sabotage BHO's campaign and helping McCain behind the scenes.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-12   12:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: richard9151 (#5)

It is looking like Obama will replace Biden with Hillary.

LOL!! Did you note the lawsuit against Obama, claiming he can not prove his citizenship?

I wonder where this may be heading.........

Title: Obama Must Respond To Berg Lawsuit By 9-24-8

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-12   12:03:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Zoroaster (#12)

yes, i agree.

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christine  posted on  2008-09-12   12:05:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#0)

Don't think its gonna happen.......he'd be playing 'Copy cat", which would show he's not a visionary. Further, I think the wimmen who are so enamoured of Hil would be so pissed.......and frankly, I don't know that Hil would be content for the world to see her as 'second choice'; he could have taken her as his first pick afterall.

Soo then, ya hafta ask, 'who would he pick if Biden quits, and Hil refuses'? The party would be in such disarray they'd wish they'd never heard of his name.....

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-12   12:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#4)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-12   12:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#4)

You may well have hit on something as it regards Biden's being selected.

These campaigns do internal polling (I was told this by the head of a polling firm when I ran for office), which is NOT released, in most cases anyways--especially if unfavorable; and while there is all the hoopla spun by the MSM, the numbers could be saying otherwise.

It could be the DNC (yuk yuk wink wink) determined to let this cycle go.......and I think much of it would have to do with Hil--they do want her as prez--and she and bill ARE the party when all is said and done. Face it, she wasn't any more ready to be president than the man in the moon--her image needed cleaning up, which this cycle has helped do.

So, JM gets it for 4 more war years, and then .......... ta dah......here is the newly minted shell of a diehard socialist just ready to be adored by everyone who hates war, the disillusioned gopers, and all the adoring dems that are already on board.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-12   12:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#13)

And you would be correct. Hitlery's minions are ever present and Obummer can't turn his back on them for one moment. It's a tedious drain on his campaign momentum that will contribute to his defeat. Of course, some people will say it was planned that way all along.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-09-12   12:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TwentyTwelve, Rupert_Pupkin, Original_Intent, christine (#2)

It was Michelle Obama who made the decision to keep Hillary off the ticket. She will have to change her mind to allow Barack to dump Joe and take Hillary. We have the same situation in California where Arnold's wife makes all the decisions because her husband is allowed to philander.

OBAMA WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT. The Republicans have enough dirt to keep him from the Presidency. They will dump it in October after Obama is on the state ballots.

Another possibilty is that if the Republicans release a copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate or his Indonesian passport, the Democrats can run ads saying that it is too late to take Obama's name off the ballot but Barack's electors will promise to vote for Hillary in the electoral college.

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Horse  posted on  2008-09-12   12:23:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine (#9) (Edited)

The ticket America deserves is Obama/Palin. Two empty suit celebrity candidates with zero policy substance but lots of meaningless pep rally feel-goodisms. One is the smooth talker, the other has the looks. Imagine how the media would love it.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-12   13:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine (#0)

World Net Daily and Sean Hannity? Come come.

angle  posted on  2008-09-12   13:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#0)

Approximately 6.49 percent said "No, he could win," while 22.08 percent said it depends on other circumstances.

A full 71.43 percent responded, "Yes! Pack it up."

What the hell has happened to the sense of humor of the American people?

Joe is by far the most likable of the the four. I'm so sick of the the scripted BS coming out of the mouths of the other three that Joe's the only one I listen to anymore.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-12   13:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#0)

Too late. The brouhaha raised by such a move will swamp any "benefits". Obama will look bad on any number of levels - and his vulnerability - not experience, but judgement will again be highlighted.

Why would Hillary accept? Like James Webb who passed, the SS Obama's maiden voyage is fraught with pitfalls, including NOT winning.

This just seems the mirror image of the Dems speculating Palin woud be dropped.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-09-12   13:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#0)

Will Joe Biden be dumped off ticket?

Farah's, Hannity's, and your concerns for the Dem ticket are touching but America's temporary honeymoon with hockey mum will soon be over and things will get back to normal.

Minus accident of birth .. GWB, Mgr. Hardees ... McBomb, Mgr. Burger King .. (both flunked out at Hamburger U.)

iconoclast  posted on  2008-09-12   13:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TwentyTwelve (#17)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disaraeli

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-12   13:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#26)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disaraeli

Infamous Quote from James Paul Warburg

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-12   13:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: iconoclast (#25)

and your concerns for the Dem ticket

concerns? simply posting the news of speculation, iconoclast. at this point, all of this, including palin, is pure entertainment.

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christine  posted on  2008-09-12   14:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TwentyTwelve (#27)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disaraeli

Infamous Quote from James Paul Warburg

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-12   14:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Original_Intent (#29)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disaraeli

Infamous Quote from James Paul Warburg

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"Great liars are also great magicians" - Adolf Hitler

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-12   14:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Horse (#20)

OBAMA WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT. The Republicans have enough dirt to keep him from the Presidency. They will dump it in October after Obama is on the state ballots.

I agree - and so do the Demoncrats who are challenging his citizenship in court.

Another possibilty is that if the Republicans release a copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate or his Indonesian passport, the Democrats can run ads saying that it is too late to take Obama's name off the ballot but Barack's electors will promise to vote for Hillary in the electoral college.

Very astute and I think you may well be on to something. If that occurs most of the women who would vote for McLame/Palin would go back to Hitlery as she is closer to their view - remembering that their "1" issue is free and easy abortion which Hitlery supports. Also the lesbians will vote for one of their own.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-12   14:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TwentyTwelve (#30)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disaraeli

Infamous Quote from James Paul Warburg

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"Great liars are also great magicians" - Adolf Hitler

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-12   14:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disaraeli

Infamous Quote from James Paul Warburg

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"Great liars are also great magicians" - Adolf Hitler

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

“The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power....Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.... If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.” -- O'Brien to Winston

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-12   14:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent (#31) (Edited)

All McCain needs to guarantee victory is to promise Hillary a high ranking cabinet position. It won't be Sec. of State, though, that's probably already been promised to Lieberman, with Randy Scheunemann from PNAC as Depty SOS.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-12   14:48:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#0)

"Make no mistake about this," Biden said at a Nashua, N.H., rally. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America.

Sounds like he is damning her with faint praise as they say.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-09-12   17:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#0)

Changing would be worse than keeping someone unpopular.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-09-12   17:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: farmfriend (#36)

You are correct. Just ask Former Senator George McGovern that one.

Obama is going to win the election with Joe Biden on the ticket. None of this hype is fatal to Obama. All this means is the tone and intensity of the campaign is going to get hotter and nastier.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-12   17:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

Obama is going to win the election with Joe Biden on the ticket.

I don't think so. I really don't but don't take that as support for McCain because it isn't. I don't think McCain is the lesser of two evils I just believe that he was picked as heir apparent right after Bush was "re-elected" and nothing is going to change that.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-09-12   18:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TwentyTwelve (#33)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disaraeli

Infamous Quote from James Paul Warburg

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"Great liars are also great magicians" - Adolf Hitler

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

“The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power....Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.... If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.” -- O'Brien to Winston

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." ~ Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-09-12   23:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent (#39)

However, I am wondering if that was not intentional.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." ~ Benjamin Disaraeli

Infamous Quote from James Paul Warburg

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"Great liars are also great magicians" - Adolf Hitler

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

“The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power....Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.... If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.” -- O'Brien to Winston

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." ~ Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

“The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species.” -- Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-09-12   23:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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