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Title: Obama calls for US military mobilization
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URL Source: http://wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/obam-s13.shtml
Published: Sep 14, 2008
Author: Patrick Martin
Post Date: 2008-09-14 09:46:17 by christine
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In remarks that clearly pointed toward the restoration of the military draft under an Obama administration, the Democratic candidate said Thursday night that his job as president would include demanding that the American people recognize an “obligation” for military service. “If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some,” Senator Barack Obama declared. Obama’s comments came as he and his Republican opponent, Senator John McCain, took part in a forum on national service at Columbia University in New York City. Earlier in the day, both candidates joined in a memorial service at the site of the World Trade Center, commemorating the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. While “national service” encompasses more than the military, including such government-run programs as the Peace Corps, Americorps and Teach for America, as well as private and religious programs, both McCain and Obama focused on expanding the US Armed Forces as a major goal of the next administration, whether Democratic or Republican. In an indication of the bipartisan support for the increasing militarization of American society, McCain jokingly offered to name Obama his coordinator for national service if the Republican were to win the election, and Obama reciprocated. The forum was co-hosted by Judy Woodruff of the Public Broadcasting Service and Richard Stengel, editor of Time magazine. Woodruff introduced Stengel as the man responsible for the magazine’s 2007 cover story, “The Case for National Service,” which Woodruff said had “ignited this movement.” McCain was the first of the two candidates to appear at the forum. In response to a direct question from Woodruff, he rejected the restoration of the draft, voicing support for maintaining an all-volunteer army. Such a disavowal is to be expected 55 days before a presidential election, and no doubt Obama would have given a similar response had he been asked the same question. But in the course of his discussion with Woodruff and Stengel, McCain repeatedly connected the imperative of “national service” with the outbreak of international crises in which an American military role would be posed. Citing the Russian intervention in Georgia and the deteriorating position of the US-backed regime in Afghanistan, he said the American people could “see a whole lot of things happening in the world that’s going to require us to serve.” McCain also said that he would sign the bipartisan legislation, co-sponsored in the Senate by Democrat Edward Kennedy and Republican Orrin Hatch, to triple the size of Americorps, the domestic version of the Peace Corps. Obama’s comments were even more directly related to building up the US military. He spoke at some length to offer effusive praise for the armed forces. Woodruff asked him about the record number of Army officers leaving the military because of repeated, lengthy overseas deployments. The candidate responded, “Well, first of all, as commander-in-chief, my job is to keep America safe. And that means insuring that we’ve got the best military on Earth. And that means having the best persons in uniform on Earth. We have that right now, but as a consequence of these wars, they have been strained incredibly. I think it’s important for us to increase the size of our Army and our Marines so we can reduce the pace of tours that our young men and women are on.” After recalling his grandfather’s service in World War II, in the army of General George Patton, he noted that his grandfather was eligible for GI Bill education benefits and Federal Housing Administration loans to help purchase a home because of government policies favoring the discharged veterans. “There was that sense of sacred obligation that, frankly, we have lost during these last two wars,” Obama said. “I want to restore that.” Obama went on to make his most direct statement of the campaign about expanding military service, declaring: “But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.” Taken in the context of a forum on national service, these comments have an unmistakable and ominous implication. Military service in the volunteer army is undertaken disproportionately by small-town and rural youth, for both economic and cultural reasons. It is far less common for middle class and working class youth in large cities, and especially their suburbs, to enlist in the military. Obama holds out the prospect that, at least initially, his demand for wider participation in military service would consist of encouraging more enlistments in the volunteer army. When that failed, as it undoubtedly would, to produce sufficient cannon fodder for the next round of imperialist wars, the logical next step would be reactivation of the Selective Service System, which still exists, albeit in mothballed form. In political terms, Obama’s appearance at Columbia was aimed at demonstrating to the American political establishment that he is prepared to reject any pressure from antiwar college students, who are a major component of his campaign’s personnel and volunteers. To that end, Obama not only called for expanded military service, he directly attacked the exclusion of the Reserve Officers Training Corps (ROTC) from many college campuses. Stengel noted that Columbia had invited President Ahmadinejad of Iran to speak on the campus, but “haven’t invited ROTC to be on campus since 1969.” Obama replied, “Yes, I think we’ve made a mistake on that. I recognize that there are students here who have differences in terms of military policy. But the notion that young people here at Columbia or anywhere, in any university, aren’t offered the choice, the option of participating in military service, I think is a mistake.” The suggestion that young people at Columbia or anywhere else are denied “the option of participating in military service” is preposterous. In no country in the world is there so much media advertising and societal pressure—largely, at this point, economic—to impel young people into the military. ROTC became a focus of hostility on hundreds of campuses during the Vietnam War era, and was in many cases banned as a student organization. These restrictions largely ended after 1975, but they were continued or reestablished on a handful of campuses after the Clinton administration established the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, reaffirming the longtime Pentagon ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the military. Such a ban violates the non-discrimination rules imposed by many campuses on corporate recruiters. In response to a further question from Woodruff, Obama elaborated on his efforts to recruit young people to become participants in, and potential victims of, military violence. “Inspiring young people to serve is something that the president is uniquely positioned to do,” he said, adding that this could be for civilian positions that are adjuncts to US military operations overseas, such as the State Department, USAID or civil engineering. Obama returned to the subject of widening participation in military service in words that were cautiously phrased but deeply reactionary. “I think there are special obligations during wartime,” he said. “We always have potential conflicts around the world, and our military has to remain strong and ready. And so I want to encourage military service, as well as other ways of serving, regardless of whether there’s war or not. But I do think that over the last several years, the fact that the burden has been shouldered by such a narrow group is a problem.” In a closely balanced election, with the outcome still very much in doubt, Obama hopes to win the support of the real decision-makers—the topmost levels of the financial, political and military elite. Only a Democrat, he is suggesting, with the smokescreen of “equal sacrifice” and “fairness,” can provide the millions of recruits for the US military machine that will be required for wars against countries such as Iran, Russia and China. While utilizing the occasional high-flown phrase to appeal to the idealism of youth and students, Obama is offering the ruling class a brutal bargain: Select me as president, and I will repay you in blood.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
While utilizing the occasional high-flown phrase to appeal to the idealism of youth and students, Obama is offering the ruling class a brutal bargain: Select me as president, and I will repay you in blood. The blood-lust of both parties is appalling.
A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.
Well now, THAT'S change. I guess people should be careful what they ask for.
People refuse to review recent history.. Ike proposed nearly the same thing 50 years ago and Americans went all in a dither as EVERYONE would be called to serve. Ike was shot down because the important people were more than willing to DRAFT the lower classes. A draft is class warfare, always has been. Obama and McCain WANT a draft not universal service. It is the old carrot and stick. threaten the upper classes and the draft will appear with their blessings, count on it. McCains own relatives crafted the original draft and selective service program.
Obama has been very effective at reaching out to young people. Unwilling to probe into the positions of his backers, they will be shocked and dismayed to learn that he was not the champion of liberty they had expected.
Only those who will never serve call for war. Our country seems to have gone into a collective insanity by supporting either of those candidates.
A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.
I happen to agree with Dr. O. If 'we' are going to war, then let's be 'us' fighting, meaning all of us, not just those who take the military route so that they can afford college or get some training and discipline. What we have today is not a voluntary force. It's a mercenary force and it shows. Yes, I understand that some people really, really believe that they are in the business of stopping the evil islamo-nazists from following us home and raping our grand-mothers (while earning some education benefits and/or training) but so did the vast majority of Hitler's armies. Brain-washing and propaganda are not exactly a novelty methods.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
What "war" would we need to be fighting? You know the answer to that question. It's the "war," any war, that the ruling elite have planned. It would be wholly avoidable. It would have no connection to any purpose proposed to the public. And we will all lose, regardless of who is brought into its service.
The deck and odds are stacked against the lower class, they have no voice, no money, no power. No war in our history has been originated by anyone in the lowest class. Wars are always brought to us by the ruling elite, Joe Sixpack is NEVER seen in Washington urging more armaments and a new war.
hmm. That is a reason to vote for McCain. When they try to draft my kids that's when things change dramatically.
McCains ancestors wrote the original draft and Selective Service program.
You apparently define patriotism with making war? As prevalent as war is, shouldn't peacemaking be more important? If we could point to good wars, wars which America needed to fight in order to survive, I might tend to agree with you. But all of America's wars have been optional. Once the west was won, what more did we need to obtain through war?
McCain rejected that idea at this forum. Look above. Sure he may be lying but we can't be sure of that. Obama seems to be thinking seriously about a draft. Fuck national service. That is slavery. I don't serve the fucking state.
Oh so you support drafting my kid. Well when that happens remember you have a target on your head.
With congressional approval ratings around ten percent, and smirk's somewhere in the low twenties, how can anyone support either of these tools who are both promising more of the same, if not worse? We have to be the most dumbed-down nation on this planet.
A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.
Hey now, I was there in DC on July 12th, rallying for peace. Of course there were bureaucrats stopping by the rally to scoff at us. And the news media was hardly seen, and little was reported from our historic protest.
Then move to Antarctica. TRAITOR!
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Your ancestors DID, you and your progeny have or will. Count on it.
I don't know that that is true just because some dude on the internet said it. Show me a link please something credible. Nothing personal that's just the way I am. Also his ancestors doing something doesn't mean he will. Take Ron Reagan and Ron Reagan Jr for instance. Very different.
You should have got some pics and posted them.
When they try to draft my kids. You folks better watch your back. You are the traitors. Haven't you ever read the 13th amendment traitor asshole.
I missed your ornery insightful participation over the past few days.
Arlington Cemetery people are not dudes and they surely know who is buried there. You might try this link. http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/hpmccain.htm
I was here, even reading angle.
ok thanks. And I don't support WW1 either. Fuck that shit.
ruh roh :)
A traitor is a traitor is a traitor, by another name. I suppose, it makes no difference to you whether Alta California pledges allegiance to Washington DC or to Mexico City. Some citizen.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
The thirteenth amendment might keep them from shackling your kid's ankles and pushing them into the fields to pick cotton, but an act conscripting them to involuntarily join the military is well protected by case law in this system of Stare Decisis where previous adjudication has led to decisions allowing the state to make people fight a common foe. That is just how it is. No amount of your anger or indignation is going to change that.
Ever have the Gestapo show up on your doorstep, two FBI and police, looking to drag you away as a draft dodger?????? No one showed up to help me, or protest, not a damned soul. All the heros were busy elsewhere. They were POed cause I was already in the Korean thing overseas. They were disappointed they could not drag off yet another malingerer. If they come for you or your children, you and they will go. No one will stop them.
Angle... I do read your posts. I learn from everyone, only a closed mind does otherwise.
We got all that "free oil" from Iraq. Gasoline is only $4.199 here today. Just imagine how expensive it would be if we hadn't stopped the muslim invasion and secured all that oil, not to mention that they'd make my mother wear a burka and force me to go butt-up to Mecca 5,963 times a day. GOD BLESS THE U.S.I.!!!!
Obama is such a pathetic phony. He ran as "the" anti-war candidate in the primaries, which was the principal reason he beat Hillary. Now that he's the nominee, he's running on a "ME TOO!" foreign policy line in response to McCain. Which was probably the DNC plan for him all along. Otherwise, why would people like John Kerry have endorsed him?
Which is why I support mandatory public service. If rich folk have to worry that their son Bernard and perhaps even daughter Rhapsody will have to serve in any war they start with the 'meaningless kids' of 'commoners' with say the names of Johnny and Sue from across the railroad tracks U.S.A. we will have more care taken concerning war making. I support this notion of Obama's and Ike's.
FM, isn't this out of character for you? You're a libertarian, right? How can we force individuals to be at specific times and places, and to do specific work without their consent, and call that a free republic? This is akin to the income tax. I would not resent paying it if it were voluntary, and if my money weren't used in boondoggle wars. We're either free or we're not. I say if we have mandatory service of any kind, we become slaves.
I voted for and supported Ike on the service thing. He knew full well it would never fly with the upper classes and he was correct. Therefore we were saddled with the draft of the lower class as usual. With a draft there are built in loopholes for the majority of connected people, always been that way. It has NOTHING to do with dem or pub, it is all class warfare and they stick together on it.
I used to be against the draft, but the way neocons use poor people's kids to fight their wars for them with their kids safely tucked away from danger changed all that. Now I want mandatory service that includes an option to go into the military. One that becomes more compelling to take in times of national emergency. I say that our biggest problems are class warfare and a lack of nationalistic cohesiveness as people. Mandatory service is not a perfect solution by any means, but I clearly see the need for it. Even if the concept of it ain't exactly something I generally like. P.S. I have never been a libertarian. I do belong to the Pacific Green Party however.
The most egregious abuse of class warfare was under the esteemed President Lincoln, can you imagine that?????? If you had $100 you could buy your way out of the draft. It was so lucrative that he finally raised it to $200 and the government was making a bundle.
You suppose wrong. Quit pulling shit out of your asshole.
That may be case law ferret. But it is unconstitutional and more importantly immoral. They can take their case law and stuff it up vasts ass.
Mandatory public service is for nazis. Wake up Mike. The elite will still be exempt no matter what they say.
In a body bag.
Your wiser then most on that issue buckeye. Im wholeheartedly in your camp on this one.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestCiting the Russian intervention in Georgia and the deteriorating position of the US-backed regime in Afghanistan, he said the American people could “see a whole lot of things happening in the world that’s going to require us to serve.”
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: christine, buckeye, jethro tull (#0)
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#4. To: Esso, lodwick (#2)
#5. To: buckeye, Cynicom, Esso, christine, all (#4)
#6. To: christine (#0)
#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)
#8. To: lodwick (#5)
Only those who will never serve call for war.
#9. To: christine (#0)
recognize an “obligation” for military service.
#10. To: Old Friend (#9)
That is a reason to vote for McCain.
#11. To: Old Friend (#9)
That is a reason to vote for McCain.
#12. To: Cynicom (#3)
Obama and McCain WANT a draft
#13. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)
I happen to agree with Dr. O. If 'we' are going to war, then let's be 'us' fighting, meaning all of us, not just those who take the military route so that they can afford college or get some training and discipline.
#14. To: Cynicom. everyone here (#10)
#15. To: Cynicom (#8)
Joe Sixpack is NEVER seen in Washington urging more armaments and a new war.
#16. To: Old Friend (#12)
Fuck national service. That is slavery. I don't serve the fucking state.
#17. To: Old Friend (#12)
That is slavery. I don't serve the fucking state.
#18. To: Cynicom (#10)
McCains ancestors wrote the original draft and Selective Service program.
#19. To: buckeye (#15)
#20. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#16)
Then move to Antarctica. TRAITOR!
#21. To: Cynicom (#3)
#22. To: Old Friend (#18)
I don't know that that is true just because some dude on the internet said it
#23. To: angle (#21)
I missed your ornery insightful participation over the past few days.
#24. To: Cynicom (#22)
#25. To: Cynicom (#23)
#26. To: Old Friend (#20)
Fuck national service. That is slavery. I don't serve the fucking state.
#27. To: Old Friend (#20)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#28. To: Old Friend (#24)
ok thanks.
#29. To: angle (#25)
#30. To: buckeye (#11)
...what more did we need to obtain through war?
#31. To: christine (#0)
In a closely balanced election, with the outcome still very much in doubt, Obama hopes to win the support of the real decision-makers—the topmost levels of the financial, political and military elite. Only a Democrat, he is suggesting, with the smokescreen of “equal sacrifice” and “fairness,” can provide the millions of recruits for the US military machine that will be required for wars against countries such as Iran, Russia and China
#32. To: Cynicom (#3)
"A draft is class warfare, always has been."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#33. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Which is why I support mandatory public service.
#34. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Which is why I support mandatory public service.
#35. To: buckeye (#33)
"FM, isn't this out of character for you? You're a libertarian, right?"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#36. To: Ferret Mike, buckeye (#32)
Which is why I support mandatory public service.
#37. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#26)
I suppose, it makes no difference to you whether Alta California pledges allegiance to Washington DC or to Mexico City.
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
#39. To: Ferret Mike (#32)
Which is why I support mandatory public service
#40. To: Cynicom (#28)
If they come for you or your children, you and they will go. No one will stop them.
#41. To: buckeye (#33)
We're either free or we're not. I say if we have mandatory service of any kind, we become slaves.
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