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Title: War Hero or War Criminal?
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LewRockwell
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance149.html
Published: Sep 15, 2008
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2008-09-15 10:11:42 by bush_is_a_moonie
Keywords: None
Views: 301
Comments: 27
"The date was Oct. 26, 1967. I was on my 23rd mission, flying right over the heart of Hanoi in a dive at about 4,500 feet, when a Russian missile the size of a telephone pole came up – the sky was full of them – and blew the right wing off my Skyhawk dive bomber." ~ John McCain Over and over again it has been said or inferred that one of the reasons John McCain deserves to be president is because he is a war hero. Even Barack Obama has called McCain "a genuine American hero." Make that an American war criminal. John McCain graduated (near the bottom of his class) from the Annapolis Naval Academy in 1958. After flight training in my city of residence, Pensacola, Florida (where he admits he frequented strip clubs), to "become an aviator and an instrument of war for my country," McCain spent some time on aircraft carriers in the Caribbean and Mediterranean Seas before volunteering for combat duty. In 1967 Lieutenant Commander McCain began bombing runs over North Vietnam from the deck of the USS Forrestal. After a bad fire that put the ship out of commission, McCain switched to bombing North Vietnam from the deck of the USS Oriskany (which was recently sunk off the coast of Pensacola to make an artificial reef). McCain was shot down on his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam and then held as a prisoner of war for five years. After his release in 1973, McCain resumed his naval service until his retirement as a captain with a disability pension in 1981. All wars are not created equal. An unjust war is criminal, and soldiers who participate in it are murderers. No North Vietnamese gook (McCain referred to them as gooks in a U.S. News & World Report interview in 1973) had ever posed a threat to the United States or harmed an American until the United States intervened with military advisors, military aid, the CIA, intelligence missions, puppet governments, and finally, U.S. troops – thousands and thousands of U.S. troops. How could John McCain possibly be considered a war hero? He was not captured, imprisoned, and tortured because he was defending U.S. soil against invading enemy forces. Had this been the case, I would be the first one to congratulate him as a war hero. McCain is a war criminal because he rained down death and destruction on the people of Vietnam during twenty-three bombing missions. It doesn’t matter if the "incident" in the Gulf of Tonkin really happened – U.S. ships had no business being within a thousand miles of North or South Vietnam. There can be no heroism in the performance of evil. If McCain had been executed by the Vietnamese after being shot down, would he not have deserved it? What would you do to the pilot who just ejected and landed in your backyard after bombing your house? Why is it that war criminals are always foreigners? If McCain is a war hero then so are the September 11th hijackers. At least they had a reason to attack the United States. The real American heroes are the men who refused to go to Vietnam and participate in an immoral, unconstitutional, and unjust war. U.S. soldiers who refuse to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan because it is another immoral, unconstitutional, and unjust war (not just because they don’t want to get killed) are real heroes as well. In an interview with 60 Minutes in 1997, McCain mentioned the confession his North Vietnamese captors forced him to write: "I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children." The truth, of course, is that what McCain wrote under duress is actually an accurate statement. Although while in the Navy McCain earned the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and the Distinguished Flying Cross, there is one designation he earned that he doesn’t wear on his chest: WAR CRIMINAL.
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#1. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
The above fits my view perfectly. My father was a war criminal for the same reasons John is.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" That part is untrue and a disgrace to those that did go. That period was under a draft unlike the "volunteers" of today. All wars other than defensive ones are unjust, however, when one man decides not to go, someone else must take his place.
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#2. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
The real American heroes are the men who refused to go to Vietnam and participate in an immoral, unconstitutional, and unjust war.
#3. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Itisa1mosttoolate, ALL (#0)
WAR CRIMINAL
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
#4. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
It depends on who's answering the question. The ZOG USA branch of the int'l fifth column jew media entertainment combine will say the spudgrubber's a hero, the Vietnamese will say he's a baby killing war criminal. I concur with the latter.
McCain mentioned the confession his North Vietnamese captors forced him to write: "I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children."
#5. To: Cynicom (#2)
Well, I was a volunteer and went and to be honest, knowing now that there was no intention of winning and why we were really there I am sorry I volunteered. What I think the author meant was there were some who knew the war was wrong and that they were willing to stand up and refuse to do it knowing what the consequences might be.
#6. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#5)
I go way back to two "peace time "drafts. There were no wars. None. However the government soon found wars to send us off to fight. That being said, dissent is excellent and I love it, however when one mans dissent causes another man to risk or lose his life then that dissent becomes personal. During those wars, most times it turned out the dissenters were not actually standing on their rights or principles. Personal cowardice was involved. As soon as the government started placing them in irons and off to the front lines, the number of "dissenters" dwindled to near nothing. A genuine dissenter would indeed forgo his own life for his principles. Eddie Slovik was shot for all to see. Dissenters and deserters got the message.
#7. To: Split (#4)
A warhero. For ZOG.
The ZOG USA branch of the int'l fifth column jew media entertainment combine will say the spudgrubber's a hero,
#8. To: Cynicom (#6) (Edited)
I have nothing against somebody who values his life more than the "cause" behind the latest stupid war, I'd do the same thing. I just wish that such a person would be honest and say that the real reason for his dodging the draft and opposing the war is to save his own hide, not heroic principles. Why not just come out and say that "my life is more valuable to me than who gets to rule over the oil rigs in Iraq?"
During those wars, most times it turned out the dissenters were not actually standing on their rights or principles.
#9. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#8)
I agree except remember the government dragged us off physically, note that, physically, during wars fought with a draft. Being on the bottom of the social ladder, we knew we were cannon fodder, our rights or principles were meaningless. People here need to see others dragged away, to see OUR government put men in irons and throw them in the front lines. I have, I saw it all and it was our government. The bastards came for me with two FBI agents and the local police, the only thing was I was already in Korea. Again, wars are fought by the people at the bottom, people that are not allowed principles or rights. People will see themselves and their neighbors dragged off Rupert, put in irons. People at the social bottom know full well no one above gives one damn about them.
I have nothing against somebody who values his life more than the "cause" behind the latest stupid war, I'd do the same thing. I just wish that such a person would be honest and say that the real reason for his dodging the draft and opposing the war is to save his own hide, not heroic principles.
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
i can't even imagine seeing my son dragged off physically. i wonder if today that would cause a revolution. i would like to think so. i'm assuming you think not, Cyni.
I agree except remember the government dragged us off physically, note that, physically, during wars fought with a draft.
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#11. To: christine, Cynicom (#10)
There was no revolution when people had their sons were dragged off to Vietnam against their will, so why would it be any different now?
#12. To: christine (#10)
Across the street from my High School, early WW2, was family whose son was a deserter, he was against war, dissenting, standing on his family principles. I can still recall the horrible picture in my mind of all of a sudden seeing jeeps with MPs and local police surrounding the house. They put him in irons not cuffs, in front of a hundred students watching, threw him in a jeep and drove away. Where were all the others protecting his rights to dissent??????? None, not a soul said a word, why should they, his family was one of the poorest in town. They threatened his Father with prison for harboring a deserter, thats right, for harboring his own son. This government now is far more willing to do such than back in those days.
i can't even imagine seeing my son dragged off physically.
#13. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#11)
Currently we have no draft, but one is coming. When that day arrives, we will see how many Americans are willing to stand on "principles".
There was no revolution when people had their sons were dragged off to Vietnam against their will, so why would it be any different now?
#14. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#11)
that was before 58k dead and before men like mcNamara admitted it was wrong and a mistake. also, recall the way it ended. the helicopters on the roof. don't you think that there's been an awakening since then? folks can justify wars when those who fight it volunteer, but if a draft were instituted and their kids are forced to go, that's a whole different situation.
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#15. To: Cynicom (#13)
Why do you people repeat this oft repeated lie?
Currently we have no draft, but one is coming.
#16. To: Ninpo (#15)
Are you a student of ninjutsu? I bet not many in here recognize your name can mean, Nin - edge of the sword, po - knowledge.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#17. To: Ninpo (#15)
Lie??? Because I well remember a peacetime draft in 1940, one that got my brother killed. Then I remember another in 1948 that snared me and I risked my life far too many times. Lie???? I am a cynic but also a realist. If you have never witnessed boys dragged off by force, you have no foundation for your term of a "lie". Lincoln did it, Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson and Nixon. Hundreds of thousands died and you call a new draft a lie??? You have no basis in fact nor history.
Why do you people repeat this oft repeated lie?
#18. To: Cynicom (#17)
Yes I do. There is no way a "draft" could ever happen again. A draft is not needed. Too many idiots want to give up their lives to fight people they never met or know. It is the end of the world you know. The only way to bring back jesus/allah/jehovah is to war war war! The bible told me so.
You have no basis in fact nor history.
#19. To: Ninpo (#18)
You are entitled to that opinion. A lot of people said the very same thing in 1940 and in 1948, they were wrong.
Yes I do. There is no way a "draft" could ever happen again.
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
Selective reading habits? We don't need a draft. More than enough morons who will die in the war on terra.
A lot of people said the very same thing in 1940 and in 1948, they were wrong.
#21. To: Ninpo (#18) (Edited)
The Selective Service is very much alive. I believe that if a male fails to register by a certain age, they can forget about taking out student loans. I know for a fact that if Uncle Sam wants bodies for the war machine quickly and in a large number, we will see a draft happen. Which is why they never got rid of it, just made it dormant. http://www.sss.gov/
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
Bet on it... McCains Uncle (removed) wrote the selective Service act, he is known as its father.
The Selective Service is very much alive.
#23. To: Ninpo (#20)
But they have lowered the standards for enlistment by a great deal. Really dumb multiple felons can join on up and bring their gang experience into the Frey of military life these daze. All all volunteer force is a concept more fragile then you would think it to be.
"We don't need a draft. More than enough morons who will die in the war on terra."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#24. To: Ferret Mike (#21)
We don't need a draft. We have xtian soldiers.
#25. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
I recognized it, but it should really be Nincompoop.
Are you a student of ninjutsu? I bet not many in here recognize your name can mean, Nin - edge of the sword, po - knowledge.
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#26. To: Ninpo (#7)
You got that right. What's up with LF? Have you heard anything?
A warhero. For ZOG.
#27. To: Split (#26)
Nope. Nolajbs has a thread on it. I have been bugging the people at the-boondocks. That is the douchebag wannabe forum. Even OWK is reanimated from his death. Shocking.
What's up with LF? Have you heard anything?
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