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Title: War Hero or War Criminal?
Source: LewRockwell
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance149.html
Published: Sep 15, 2008
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2008-09-15 10:11:42 by bush_is_a_moonie
Keywords: None
Views: 313
Comments: 27

"The date was Oct. 26, 1967. I was on my 23rd mission, flying right over the heart of Hanoi in a dive at about 4,500 feet, when a Russian missile the size of a telephone pole came up – the sky was full of them – and blew the right wing off my Skyhawk dive bomber."

~ John McCain

Over and over again it has been said or inferred that one of the reasons John McCain deserves to be president is because he is a war hero. Even Barack Obama has called McCain "a genuine American hero."

Make that an American war criminal.

John McCain graduated (near the bottom of his class) from the Annapolis Naval Academy in 1958. After flight training in my city of residence, Pensacola, Florida (where he admits he frequented strip clubs), to "become an aviator and an instrument of war for my country," McCain spent some time on aircraft carriers in the Caribbean and Mediterranean Seas before volunteering for combat duty. In 1967 Lieutenant Commander McCain began bombing runs over North Vietnam from the deck of the USS Forrestal. After a bad fire that put the ship out of commission, McCain switched to bombing North Vietnam from the deck of the USS Oriskany (which was recently sunk off the coast of Pensacola to make an artificial reef). McCain was shot down on his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam and then held as a prisoner of war for five years. After his release in 1973, McCain resumed his naval service until his retirement as a captain with a disability pension in 1981.

All wars are not created equal. An unjust war is criminal, and soldiers who participate in it are murderers. No North Vietnamese gook (McCain referred to them as gooks in a U.S. News & World Report interview in 1973) had ever posed a threat to the United States or harmed an American until the United States intervened with military advisors, military aid, the CIA, intelligence missions, puppet governments, and finally, U.S. troops – thousands and thousands of U.S. troops.

How could John McCain possibly be considered a war hero? He was not captured, imprisoned, and tortured because he was defending U.S. soil against invading enemy forces. Had this been the case, I would be the first one to congratulate him as a war hero.

McCain is a war criminal because he rained down death and destruction on the people of Vietnam during twenty-three bombing missions. It doesn’t matter if the "incident" in the Gulf of Tonkin really happened – U.S. ships had no business being within a thousand miles of North or South Vietnam. There can be no heroism in the performance of evil. If McCain had been executed by the Vietnamese after being shot down, would he not have deserved it? What would you do to the pilot who just ejected and landed in your backyard after bombing your house? Why is it that war criminals are always foreigners? If McCain is a war hero then so are the September 11th hijackers. At least they had a reason to attack the United States.

The real American heroes are the men who refused to go to Vietnam and participate in an immoral, unconstitutional, and unjust war. U.S. soldiers who refuse to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan because it is another immoral, unconstitutional, and unjust war (not just because they don’t want to get killed) are real heroes as well.

In an interview with 60 Minutes in 1997, McCain mentioned the confession his North Vietnamese captors forced him to write: "I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children." The truth, of course, is that what McCain wrote under duress is actually an accurate statement.

Although while in the Navy McCain earned the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and the Distinguished Flying Cross, there is one designation he earned that he doesn’t wear on his chest: WAR CRIMINAL.

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#2. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)

The real American heroes are the men who refused to go to Vietnam and participate in an immoral, unconstitutional, and unjust war.

That part is untrue and a disgrace to those that did go.

That period was under a draft unlike the "volunteers" of today.

All wars other than defensive ones are unjust, however, when one man decides not to go, someone else must take his place.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-15   11:02:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#2)

Well, I was a volunteer and went and to be honest, knowing now that there was no intention of winning and why we were really there I am sorry I volunteered. What I think the author meant was there were some who knew the war was wrong and that they were willing to stand up and refuse to do it knowing what the consequences might be.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-09-15   15:19:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#5)

I go way back to two "peace time "drafts. There were no wars. None.

However the government soon found wars to send us off to fight.

That being said, dissent is excellent and I love it, however when one mans dissent causes another man to risk or lose his life then that dissent becomes personal.

During those wars, most times it turned out the dissenters were not actually standing on their rights or principles. Personal cowardice was involved. As soon as the government started placing them in irons and off to the front lines, the number of "dissenters" dwindled to near nothing.

A genuine dissenter would indeed forgo his own life for his principles. Eddie Slovik was shot for all to see. Dissenters and deserters got the message.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-15   15:29:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#6) (Edited)

During those wars, most times it turned out the dissenters were not actually standing on their rights or principles.

I have nothing against somebody who values his life more than the "cause" behind the latest stupid war, I'd do the same thing. I just wish that such a person would be honest and say that the real reason for his dodging the draft and opposing the war is to save his own hide, not heroic principles. Why not just come out and say that "my life is more valuable to me than who gets to rule over the oil rigs in Iraq?"

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-15   15:43:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#8)

I have nothing against somebody who values his life more than the "cause" behind the latest stupid war, I'd do the same thing. I just wish that such a person would be honest and say that the real reason for his dodging the draft and opposing the war is to save his own hide, not heroic principles.

I agree except remember the government dragged us off physically, note that, physically, during wars fought with a draft.

Being on the bottom of the social ladder, we knew we were cannon fodder, our rights or principles were meaningless. People here need to see others dragged away, to see OUR government put men in irons and throw them in the front lines.

I have, I saw it all and it was our government. The bastards came for me with two FBI agents and the local police, the only thing was I was already in Korea.

Again, wars are fought by the people at the bottom, people that are not allowed principles or rights. People will see themselves and their neighbors dragged off Rupert, put in irons.

People at the social bottom know full well no one above gives one damn about them.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-15   15:55:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9)

I agree except remember the government dragged us off physically, note that, physically, during wars fought with a draft.

i can't even imagine seeing my son dragged off physically. i wonder if today that would cause a revolution. i would like to think so. i'm assuming you think not, Cyni.

christine  posted on  2008-09-15   16:14:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine, Cynicom (#10)

There was no revolution when people had their sons were dragged off to Vietnam against their will, so why would it be any different now?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-09-15   16:17:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#11)

There was no revolution when people had their sons were dragged off to Vietnam against their will, so why would it be any different now?

Currently we have no draft, but one is coming.

When that day arrives, we will see how many Americans are willing to stand on "principles".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-15   16:29:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#15. To: Cynicom (#13)

Currently we have no draft, but one is coming.

Why do you people repeat this oft repeated lie?

Ninpo  posted on  2008-09-15 16:35:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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