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Title: Brutal: Sarah Palin's Record on Aerial Wolf Hunting
Source: You Tube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU
Published: Sep 15, 2008
Author: staff
Post Date: 2008-09-15 22:01:46 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 220
Comments: 22

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Brutal: Sarah Palin's Record on Aerial Wolf Hunting


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I am strongly opposed to this hunt she supported this last year. It did nothing to enhance caribou herds and perpetuated an inaccurate, cruel and brutally inhuman hunt. I am motivated by environmental issues more then some here are. This is my pet peeve issue concerning this individual.

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#1. To: All (#0)

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Sarah Palin and Animals


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-15   22:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

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It's time to end this most despicable, barbaric act against the wolf. Enough!


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-15   22:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

oh, Mike, if this is true, it's horrible. despicable.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-09-15   22:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Come on Mike, you can do better than that.

130 million voters will in November vote for a President that is perfectly willing to continue brutal and unethical killing of humans.

Being anti Palin is fine but do it in context of the election.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-15   22:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#3)

It is. And I was aware of the hunt before, during and after it was done, and have seen the truly graphic and too disgusting for You Tube/TV advertising raw footage down at the office when involved locally with publicizing the hunt.

It really has me worked up. I wanted to wait awhile though before I was forthcoming with just how much I detest this disgusting piece of garbage the Alaska calls gov.

She is revealing herself to be the not ready for prime-time character she is at this point, so I figured it was as good a time as any to add this to the discussion.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-15   22:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

She is revealing herself to be the not ready for prime-time character she is at this point, so I figured it was as good a time as any to add this to the discussion.

But you are perfectly willing to continue murdering humans????

You are supporting Obama here. I suggest that he will continue our killing and maiming of humans, yet you support him?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-15   22:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ferret Mike. all (#0) (Edited)

If only we all had this concern for all the mooselimbs.

We have put MotherNature so out of whack, that perhaps we do need to take drastic measures.

I do not have all the answers.

I just hope, and pray, for a good outcome for all of God's creatures.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-15   22:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine, Ferret Mike, farmfriend (#3)

Where to strike a balance? I wouldn't want PETA or Green Peace deciding our wildlife policies. I believe we should drill for our own oil (carefully) in ANWAR, and not the way the GOP wants it — for the multinational corporations to enrich themselves. I don't believe global warming is manmade, although I support a free an open debate on the matter as long as it does not lead to lost sovereignty, such as the Kyoto accords.

This is clearly being used as propaganda here. Then again, there are issues to consider on both sides.

I don't believe that our history of over-harvesting wildlife, such as the hunting and elimination of the buffalo, proves that we can't have responsible conservation and hunting.

I see Palin as someone with whom I could reason about conservation, but not PETA.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-15   22:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeye, all (#8)

Mike has picked an emotional issue for political purposes.

Notice he never mentions that Palins son is going to Iraq to KILL HUMANS.

Supporting ANYONE from the system is disgusting.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-09-15   22:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeye (#8)

Well said - thanks.

A nation of mullets, ruled by inbred, moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-09-15   22:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lodwick, Ferret Mike (#10)

The time to be emotional about this campaign was when we still had a chance to nominate a strong liberty-oriented candidate.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-15   22:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#6)

"You are supporting Obama here. I suggest that he will continue our killing and maiming of humans, yet you support him?"

Bush fights to protect every stem cell and murders maims, and displaces well over a million people, so he would be a better choice then Obama? I think not.

Besides Cyni, this is MY issue, in my pet peeve area of extremely high interest. I have always been this way on this topic as far back as I can remember.

You are never, ever going to put me on the defensive on this.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-15   23:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeye (#8)

172 Scientists Protest Alaska's Aerial Wolf Hunting

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Alaska Programs Related to Predator Control

September 25, 2007

Governor Sarah Palin State of Alaska P.O. Box 110001 Juneau, AK 99811-0001

Dear Governor Palin:

As scientists and other wildlife professionals, we urge you to strengthen the application of science-based wildlife management to sound policy decisions, especially for those Alaska programs related to predator control. We are concerned with potential problems of managing and conserving large mammalian carnivores and their ungulate prey resulting from recent approval of predator control programs designed to severely reduce populations of gray wolves, black bears and brown bears. We strongly urge the State of Alaska to gather data necessary to justify, implement, monitor and evaluate these programs so that management practices will ensure sustained populations of both predators and prey.

Starting in 2003 Alaska approved and implemented five predator control programs in interior and southcentral parts of the state designed to severely reduce wolves and bears in order to increase numbers of moose and caribou for hunters. These are lethal control programs where private pilots are authorized to shoot wolves with airplanes and hunters and trappers are encouraged to take large numbers of wolves and bears. These programs now total nearly 60,000 square miles of state and federal land. Nearly 700 wolves have been killed to date. The goal for several of these programs is to reduce the wolf populations by 80% of estimated pre-control numbers and to hold them at that level for an undetermined period. This is the largest predator control program since statehood.

Recently, black and brown bears were targeted in one area for reductions of 60% by authorizing hunting methods never before practiced in Alaska. These include shooting of female bears with cubs, or cubs themselves. Liberal bear baiting regulations, year-long open seasons, sale of hides and skulls, same-day airborne hunting and use of airplanes for spotting bears were also approved by the Board of Game.

These actions have drawn the attention of professional wildlife biologists worldwide. We are aware that the American Society of Mammalogists has sent three letters of concern and passed a resolution regarding wolf management in Alaska. Issues surrounding Alaska's predator control were discussed in September 2006 at The Wildlife Society's annual meeting in Anchorage and concerns were raised over the scientific basis of the control programs. These concerns are based on knowing the end result of similar large-scale predator control programs in other areas of the world that were not based on sound science. Often, predators subject to such programs were unable to sustain viable populations.

The basis of Alaska's recent predator control programs is the state's intensive management law. This law mandates restoring "depleted" ungulate populations to former levels of abundance and setting of ungulate population objectives. We are concerned that objectives were often based on unattainable, unsustainable historically high populations. Accurate determination of habitat carrying capacity was seldom considered. The net result is to perpetually chase unattainable objectives with inadequately designed predator control programs that risk long-term sustainability of ungulate habitat integrity and sustainability of reasonable predator populations.

In 1997, the National Research Council issued a report evaluating past predator control programs in Alaska. Included were many biological and economic standards and guidelines the committee recommended for future programs. We are concerned that many of those standards have not been applied in adopting the current programs. These include quantitative habitat evaluation and monitoring and evaluating protocols to ensure that results of the programs are clear and that adaptive management is used to learn as much as possible.

Accordingly, we strongly urge the State of Alaska to:

- Re-examine the biological basis of existing predator control programs.

- Reevaluate ungulate population objectives in relation to carrying capacity.

- Monitor predator reductions with protocols having proper magnitude, duration and geographic extent to demonstrate clear outcomes.

- Implement new control programs only within an adaptive management framework and revise existing programs to incorporate adaptive management.

- Apply the National Research Council's recommended standards to existing programs when possible and to all proposed new programs.

- Provide additional funding to ensure that adequate data are available on key components of predator-prey-habitat interactions.

Finally, negative, long-term consequences of predator control may outweigh short-term increases in ungulate numbers. Such consequences include habitat damage from high ungulate populations that may result in population crashes of both ungulates and predators as well as the ancillary "costs" of predator control programs in terms of staff time and credibility with and support from the broader public. Many in the general public are concerned that the Alaska Board of Game process is not fair and representative of the broad public interest in Alaska's wildlife. We appreciate your support for fair and transparent government and ask you to encourage the Board of Game to consider the broader public interests in their wildlife decision making. Finally, we urge the State of Alaska to consider the ecological role that large predators play in preventing eruptions and crashes, and to consider conservation of predators on an equal basis with the goal of producing more ungulates for hunters.

Sincerely,

Vic Van Ballenberghe, Ph.D., Affiliate Professor of Biology and Wildlife, University of Alaska, Fairbanks

Lee M. Talbot, Professor, Dept. of Environmental Science and Policy, George Mason University

Dana J. Morin, Mammalogist, San Diego Natural History Museum

Dr. Monika Havelka, University of Toronto at Mississauga

Florent Rivals, Ph.D., ICREA - IPHES

Bruce D. Patterson, MacArthur Curator of Mammals, Field Museum of Natural History

Robert A. Long, Research Ecologist, Self-employed

Michael S. Barbour, GIS Analyst, Auburn University

Ben Sacks, Asst Professor/Project Ecologist, UC Davis/California State University

Dr. Julie Glenn, University of South Carolina

Richard S. Ostfeld, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, Institute of Ecosystem Studies

Thomas Tomasi, Ph.D., Professor of Biology, Missouri State University

Marianne Moore, Ph.D. candidate, Boston University

Sarah Weyandt, Ph.D. candidate, University of Chicago

David Byman, Assistant Professor of Biology, Penn State Worthington Scranton

Mark L. McKnight, Assistant Professor of Biology, Missouri State University

Patrick Leighton, Doctoral Student, McGill University

Barry R. Noon, Professor, Department of Fish, Wildlife, and Conservation Biology, Colorado State University

Carol Rizkalla, Wildlife Biologist, University of Central Florida

Dr. David Koons, Utah State University

Dr. Lisa Muller, Associate Professor, University of Tennessee

Robert H. Schmidt, Certified Wildlife Biologist and Associate Professor, Utah State University

Pamela Coy, Wildlife Biologist, Minnesota Department of Natural Resources

Paul R. Moosman, Jr., Ph.D., Fitchburg State College

Barry Nichols, Biologist

Roland Kays, Curator of Mammals, New York State Museum

Jennifer Griffiths, American Museum of Natural History

Laura Farrell, Ph.D. student / EPA Fellow, University of Vermont

Jeremy T. Bruskotter, Ph.D. candidate, Department of Fisheries, Wildlife and Conservation Biology, The University of Minnesota

Dr. Luke J. Dollar, National Geographic Emerging Explorer, Duke University Nicholas School of the Environment

Shane M. Thornton, Professor, Bolivar-Richburg Central

Mel Sunquist, Professor, Dept. Wildlife Ecology and Conservation, University of Florida

Sarah R. Hurteau, Senior Research Specialist, Northern Arizona University

Barbara Keller, Ph.D. candidate, Dept of Fisheries and Wildlife Sciences, University of Missouri-Columbia

Charles L. Elliott, Foundation Professor of Biology, Wildlife Management Program, Dept. of Biological Sciences, Eastern Kentucky University

Sacha Vignieri, Ph.D., President's Post-doctoral Fellow, University of California, San Diego

Dr. Lois F. Alexander, Visiting Assistant Professor, School of Life Sciences, UNLV

Jon Winter, Principal, Governor Palin

William Adair, Research Associate, Utah State University

James J. Roper, Professor, University of Puerto Rico

Dr. E. Jean Brennan, Senior Scientist, Defenders of Wildlife

Erica Sisson, Wildlife Technician, Colorado Cooperative Fish & Wildlife Unit, Colorado State University

Dr. Abigail Benson, Durham University, Durham (UK)

David Wilcove, Professor of Ecology, Evolutionary Biology, and Public Affairs, Princeton University

Sara Hansen, Wildlife Technician

Katy Oakes, Wildlife Biologist

Michael R. Guttery, Ph.D. candidate, Utah State University

Esther Rubin, Ecologist

Corina Logan, Biologist

Brendan Oates, Student Conservation Association

Jim Boone, Wildlife Biologist, American Society of Mammalogists

Edgar P. Bailey, Retired, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

Th. Caquet, INRA

Dr. Douglas R. Stephens, BrightFields, Inc

John P. Simaika, Environmental Analyst, University of Stellenbosch

Dr. Karen Huffman-Kelly, Mount Mercy Academy

Nora Comiskey, Ph.D., William Penn Charter School

Tristram Seidler, Ph.D., New England Wild Flower Society

Al Kinlaw, Staff Ecologist

Wayne Spencer, Ph.D., Conservation Biology Institute

Matthew Wasilawski, Senior Conservation Biologist, Union Springs Central School

Kevina Vulinec, Ph.D., Environmental Science Educator, Delaware State University

Scott Ratchford, Associate Professor, Colorado State University

James A. Carpenter, Associate Professor of Biology, Lipscomb University

Cynthia M. Beale, Science Educator

Valanne Glooschenko, M.Sc., Biologist, Alaska Chapter of The Wildlife Society

David H. Hirth, Ph.D., Chair, Wildlife & Fisheries Biology, University of Vermont

Daniel L. Harrell, Range Technician, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

Jesse Troxler, Wildlife Technician

Steven Lee Montgomery, Ph. D., Consulting Biologist

Gene R. Trapp, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of Biological Sciences, Dept. Biology, Calif. State Univ., Sacramento

Earl White, Environmental Consultant

Dr. Ken Macquisten, Wildlife Veterinarian, Grouse Mountain Refuge for Endangered Wildlife

David J. Zaber, Ph.D., Visiting Assistant Professor, Northern Illinois University

Mary Dykes, Director, Owens Foundation for Wildlife Conservation

Reno Sommerhalder, The BEAR Society

Zachary Wallace, Biological Scientist

Ray C. Telfair II, Ph.D.

Carol Evans, Project Wildlife Biologist, Department of Defense

Michael Mally, Science Department Head, Frankel Jewish Academy of Metropolitan Detroit

Philip Myers, Assoc. Professor, Curator, University of Michigan

Jeremy A. White, Ph.D. candidate, Auburn University

Matthias Herkt, Research Assistant, Institute for Experimental Ecology

Robyn A. Januszewski, Biologist, NEMMC

Margaret A. Schafer, Field and Wildlife Biologist

Christopher M. Papouchis, Conservation Biologist / Ph.D. candidate, Antioch University New England

Ken Keefover-Ring, Ph.D. candidate, University of Colorado

Dr. David Broussard, Assistant Professor, Lycoming College

William E. Faber, Ph.D. in Wildlife Ecology, Central Lakes College, Dept. of Natural Resources

Alyson McHugh, Masters of Science candidate, University of British Columbia

Kenton Macy, Certified Wildlife Biologist

John G. Carter, Ph.D., Western Watersheds Project

Saleen Richter, Wildlife Biologist, Wildlife Services

Deirdre J. Butler BSc., President, Colorado Council for Wildlife Rehabilitation

Thomas M. Gehring, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Wildlife Biology, Central Michigan University

Guy L. Warren, Alaskan Resident and Environmental Scientist

Dr. J. Christopher Haney, Chief Scientist, Defenders of Wildlife

Dr. Franz J. Mueter, Sigma Plus

Dr. Kim McCreery, African Wild Dog Conservancy

Gary W. Roemer, Associate Professor of Wildlife Ecology, Dept. Fishery & Wildlife Sciences, New Mexico State University

Sidney Silliman, Professor Emeritus, California State University

Richard P. Reading, Ph.D., Associate Research Professor, University of Denver

Eric J. Taylor, Eagle River

Jennifer Ramirez, MSc. candidate, Eastern New Mexico University

Jan O. Murie, Professor Emeritus, University of Alberta

Diana Weinhardt, Zoologist, Polar Bears International

Fred Bunnell, Professor Emeritus, University of British Columbia

Terry D. DeBruyn, Ph.D., Regional Wildlife Biologist, National Park Service, Alaska Region

David R. Klein, Professor Emeritus, Institute of Arctic Biology, University of Alaska, Fairbanks

Jack E. Williams, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, Trout Unlimited

Robin A. Esterak, Science Lab Coordinator, Louisiana State University at Alexandria

Steve Sheffield, Ph.D., Professor, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University/Bowie State University

Paul D. Forman, Sierra Club Alaska Chapter Chair, Sierra Club

Ana Davidson, Ph.D., Postdoctoral Research Associate, University of New Mexico

Liz Walsh, Chairperson, Sierra Club, Wildlife & Endangered Species Committee

David R. Parsons, Carnivore Conservation Biologist, The Rewilding Institute

Elmer J. Finck, Chair and Professor, Fort Hays State University

Laura Scrimgeour, University of Colorado Health Sciences Center

Luis A. Ruedas, Associate Professor; Director, Museum of Vertebrate Biology; Portland State University

Robert M. Ferris, Wildlife Biologist

Tanya Dewey, Research Scientist, University of Michigan Museum of Zoology

Jessica E. Light, Ph.D., Postdoctoral Research, Florida Museum of Natural History

Alison Sheehey, Naturalist, Nature Alley

David A. Zegers, Ph.D., Professor of Biology; Director of the Center for Environmental Studies, Millersville University

Alicia V. Linzey, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Biology, Indiana Univ. of PA

Dr. Heather A. York, Doane College

Laura Cincotti, Wildlife Technician

Erika L. Barthelmess, Associate Professor of Biology, St. Lawrence University

David L. Reed, Curator of Mammals, Florida Museum of Natural History

Mike Winterrowd, Ph.D., Associate Professor, Macon State College

Virginia Hayssen, Mammalogist, Smith College

Vickie Bakker, Smith Conservation Research Fellow, University of California, Santa Cruz

Tiffanie Hamilton, Biological Science Aid, U.S. Geological Survey

Jacob R. Goheen, Assistant Professor, Department of Zoology

Sterling D. Miller, Ph.D., Senior Wildlife Biologist, National Wildlife Federation

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Bill Hilton Jr., Executive Director, Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History

Patrick Magee, Thornton Chair of Biology, Western State College of Colorado

Susan E. Towsend, Ph.D., Wildlife Ecologist, Wildlife Ecology and Consulting

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Derek N. Potter, Field Research Biologist, Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources

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That's funny, I don't see PETA as a signatory here.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-15   23:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeye (#11)

"The time to be emotional about this campaign was when we still had a chance to nominate a strong liberty-oriented candidate."

As long as humans destroy what they do not understand because of bad science, superstition and toxic cultural reasons, it is important to oppose doing things like this wolf hunting.

Whether there is a presidental election or not.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-15   23:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

For one, I can't see why people are so focused on this bitch anyways, as she's not running for president, she's just going to be an ornament for a McCain administration. Of course the idiots think that McCain will keel over and she'll slide right in as the new President, but in reality McCain could well live through a first term, hell, it would only take him a week to start World War III, if even that.

If anything, the more I hear about good ole Sarah, the more I'm tempted to vote for Obama. I doubt I will, but I AM tempted.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-09-15   23:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Then, I reckon you prefer to see a horse with its entrails laying all about, after being hamstrung........

Perhaps the family pet dog......mangled beyond recognition.........

Nah........your values could only be as misplaced as mine.

Another one of those 'we'll just have to disagree' moments.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-15   23:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

Ever had moose steaks? They're good eating. Not something I'd particularly want several times a week, but not bad. I do prefer caribou though.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-15   23:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeye (#8)

You can't have a discussion with peta, nor defenders of wildlife.

Back when I had the ranch in Montana, our farmland was being overrun with columbian ground squirrels--we all called them gophers. They build huge networks of tunnels underground and more than once its been recorded where tractors or other farm equipment have actually been in cave=ins.

Anyways, we built special traps to put a poison in which only they could get--birds couldn't get in, and cats and dogs are too big. The poison was an anticoagulant and generally required 7 days or so of feeding on the pellets to be effective.

I had a DOW call me and suggest I was doing it all wrong; that I should try something different. When questioned, he suggested I try flood irrigating the fields/pastureland. Like how, considering there are gentle slopes and rises that flood irrigation could not cover.

Well, in that case, couldn't I just take a hose out and fill the hole? Right.........a 40 acre field and use a friggin garden hose--on a tunnel complex that was probably miles worth!

This fruitloop was a serious as the day was long, and kept trying to get me to agree to some other method that he could find for me.

I finally just hung up on the guy cause he kept rattling on and on and hadn't a clue.

The infestation was so bad that the alfalfa and grass in the field would 'wave' as you drove in and out!!! Only the alfalfa and grass was the damned gophers.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-16   0:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: rowdee (#18)

Yeah, this happens when predators are removed and the ecosystem has boom/bust cycles of the population of rodents and other small prey animals.

I am not surprised this happened, sorry to hear about your struggle to deal with this.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-16   0:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#19)

One of the neatest things I saw re predators was a fox on a high trot thru an alfalfa field, with one in its mouth, headed towards the area where their den was..........and my damned house cat was in hot pursuit......his tail stuck straight up in the air--all black--dashing thru the field.

I was out there in a flash yelling and screaming at him trying to get him to stop cause the fox coulda had him for brunch!

Believe it or not, he did stop, and then took his sweet time walking all stiff-legged in the front end to me-- his hair was still all fuzzed out. He really thought he was some macho dude, I reckon.

rowdee  posted on  2008-09-16   0:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike, jethro tull (#0)

The free world is disintegrating and all you lefties are concerned with is Sarah Palin's implied "hatred" of the poor wolf. Please, go jackoff to your Obama pictures and STFU.

KinkoTheKlown  posted on  2008-09-16   1:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: KinkoTheKlown (#21)

Why do dicks always obsess about male auto-erotic behavior? Just curious, mind you.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-16   1:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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