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Title: Sean Hannity: Masons run the COUNTRY [utube]
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Published: Sep 20, 2008
Author: Sean Hannity
Post Date: 2008-09-20 20:12:01 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
something rather curious just happened here. we have the Texas football game on which is being broadcasted on ESPN. they showed the Frost Bank Bldg in downtown Austin. this is the building that has been obviously architected to resemble an owl. incidentally, it's the tallest building downtown and gives the ominous, creepy feeling that it's looking out over the whole city. btw, it has 33 floors (33 degree Mason??) we had the sound turned down so we didn't hear if there was commentary, but they did a computerized drawing circling the eyes and tracing the two ears delineating the owl head. now WHY would they do that during a football game?
Christine, When I got out of the service in 73 my first boss (the owner of the company) was a Shriner. He explained a few things which were the first I had ever heard about Masonry. He talked about the relationship between Shriners and Masons. At first I thought he was kinda crazy. He explained that he had received a "demit" and that he seldom talked about it. What brought all this on was when I started talking at work about various religions and cults and their impact on America and Americans. I started looking at it a bit more and a few years later also attended a Presbyterian church where the Pastor was an ex-mason. He said he "abandoned" masonry because of their refusal to even allow him to say the name Jesus Christ during prayers. Ex-Masons for Jesus Christians Beware - of Freemasonry bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm How can you lead Masons away from the Masonic Lodge?
I would rather have them stay at the masonic lodge than infest churches. They aren't that hard to identify. Fake Christians are the ones that pray for the "ones over there fighting for our freedoms." Churches seem to be filled with more fake Christians than real ones. It is really a shame.
Per the Pope no Protestants belong to a true church.
Well I am not going to become Catholic just becasue the Pope is on the right side on the issue of wars. Infant baptism and praying to Mary aren't scriptural.
Whole households were baptised in the New Testament. Fathers in the ancient world had the power of life or death of their households and if the father was being baptised so were all of his kids and slaves if he had any. The dominant role of the parent over the child is enshrined in the Ten Commandments itself. This is why when a king was converted to Christianity the population followed like in Armenia. Kingship in ancient society was that of a father figure over his people. In the Old Testament, if the head of a household converted to Judaism, all the males in the house, even the infants, were circumcised and this pattern continues into the New Testament. Reference is made, for example, to baptizing a person and their whole household. Theologically and culturally infant baptism is logical for the era it was created and for the culture that Christianity came from. We have no evidence from any early Christians commenting on the practice that infant baptism was shunned. The only time we get any objection to it is in some parts of late middle ages barbarian Europe - your ancestors I presume. Protestant beliefs arose as bastardizations of Catholic practice. This is how some Protestant sects came to reject infant baptism. Communion in the Latin West changes over time from the Greek eastern custom, In the Early pre schism Church, everyone who attended the full Mass was expected to receive communion; catechumens and penitents were not present for the Consecration. Over time, in the West concerns grew over danger of spillage from the chalice when it was offered to the entire congregation. The concern arose because the Western world had fallen into poverty and in the Dark Ages and wine was pricey. You only get concerned about wine spilling if wine is expensive. No such concern in the wine rich east. It eventually became common in the Western Church for only priests and some monks and nuns to receive communion from the chalice. Ultimately, this wine shortage led to the decline of infant communion in the West by the time of the Great Schism. By that time the practice of infants and children receiving these sacraments had fallen into disfavor in the Latin Catholic Church, especially with the growing emphasis on not giving the sacraments (other than baptism) to those not yet able to understand them. So that is how this process of thought in the West was established. This is were the later Protestants further modified this Latin error and attached it to infant baptism also. Meanwhile, in the Eastern Churches, the Roman empire lasted for a further 1,000 years and the people were wealthier and trade routes were maintained. Wine was plentiful in the East and there was no need to ration wine so the faithful of all ages, infants and children included, continued to receive communion with no practical difficulties or theological qualms. So because the barbarian overrun parts of the Roman empire had become too poor to afford wine, infants and children were denied communion in Latin-Rite Catholics which over time became enshrined in Canon Law #913 followed in the Roman Rite, which states: "The administration of the Most Holy Eucharist to children requires that they have sufficient knowledge and careful preparation so that they understand the mystery of Christ according to their capacity and are able to receive the body of Christ with faith and devotion." So it was not a logical leap for later Protestants who were offshoots of Latin Catholics to expand the Catholic practice of denying the Holy Eucharist (wine) to infants and children until they learned about Christ's teachings and applied it to the practice of baptism as well. So whenever I am confronted by an argument about infant baptism I kind of smile because it is a doctrine that came about because Western Europeans had had to conserve wine during the Middle Ages. PS: Wine had become so rare in the barbarian west that beer became the drink of choice in the Middle Ages when it used to be wine. Why did wine become scarce in the barbarian west? Collapse of trade and coinage (wine making requires a large capital investment) traveling was unsafe, roads were no longer maintained and a change in weather - it got colder - all contributed to this scarcity. PPS: If these Protestant churches deny infant baptism, how can they save the developmentally disabled who can not understand or profess their faith? Orthodox Christianity makes Communion available to all baptized and chrismated church members who wish to receive it, regardless of developmental or other disabilities. The theory is that the soul of the recipient understands what is being received even if the conscious mind is incapable of doing so, and that the grace imparted by Communion "for the healing of soul and body" is a benefit that most especially should not be denied in such cases. This is consistent with the practice of Infant Communion in Eastern Orthodoxy.
Those churches are seriously deluded. Infant baptism is Biblical and should be carried out. Of course I'm a Lutheran ..the anti-thesis of Cathlic.
#19. To: IndieTX (#15)
I was advocating a position based on history rather than theology. Many Protestant sects have come along because one founder of the sect or another had a theology that he thought was more logical than what he or she was practicing in their original group. There is no historical evidence that infant baptism was denied in the first churches and if you knew anything about the culture of the people that come from the areas the first Christians and Jews came from you would know that infant baptism would have been part of the practice from the get go.
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#8. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#4)
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How can you lead Masons away from the Masonic Lodge?
#11. To: RickyJ (#8)
I would rather have them stay at the masonic lodge then infest churches. They aren't that hard to identify. Fake Christians are the ones that pray for the "ones over there fighting for our freedoms." Churches seem to be filled with more fake Christians than real ones. It is really a shame.
#12. To: Destro (#11)
Per the Pope no Protestants belong to a true church.
#13. To: RickyJ (#12)
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Well I am not going to become Catholic just because the Pope is on the right side on the issue of wars. Infant baptism and praying to Mary aren't scriptural.
#15. To: Destro (#13)
If these Protestant churches deny infant baptism, how can they save the developmentally disabled who can not understand or profess their faith?
Replies to Comment # 15. Those churches are seriously deluded. Infant baptism is Biblical and should be carried out. Of course I'm a Lutheran ..the anti-thesis of Cathlic.
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