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Published: Sep 23, 2008
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Who is Jesus Christ? Proverbs 30:6; Add nothing to his words, that he may not reprove you, and that you may not have to be proved a liar. To begin with, it is best that all understand that I consider myself a Christian. What does that mean? It means that I accept Jesus Christ as my savior, and as my King, but in addition, it means that I will try my best to live according to His Word, which, in the Words of Jesus Christ, are not His Words, but the Words of His Father. John 14:23; In answer Jesus said to him: “If anyone loves me, he will observe my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make our abode with him. 24 He that does not love me does not observe my words; and the word that you are hearing is not mine, but belongs to the Father who sent me. But if I am a self-proclaimed Christian, should I not know, exactly as is possible, who is Jesus Christ, according to the Word of Jehovah God? John 1:1; In (the) beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in (the) beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. Now bear with me, please. I understand that some have a problem with this translation. However, as I have mentioned a number of times, the Bible is harmonious. That simply means that the Bible can not contradict itself. Therefore, let us examine the Scriptures in more detail that we may see the harmony of the Bible. As we examine John 1, verse 1, we find that Jesus Christ is called the Word. Most understand this. We also see that the Word was with God in the beginning, which occurred before the Old Testament was written. Since we are told, clearly, that all things came into existence through him (the Word), does it make any sense that we hear nothing from Jesus in the Old Testament, before he came to live on earth as Jesus Christ? Of course not, so let us see what He is called in the Old Testament; Proverbs 8:22; “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men. You will note that he is called the ‘master worker’ in this chapter. Now look at verse 35; For the one finding me will certainly find life, Anyone who has read the Bible will understand that this refers directly to Jesus Christ. Now, look at; Proverbs 8:12; “I, wisdom, I have resided with shrewdness and I find even the knowledge of thinking abilities. So in the Old Testament Jesus Christ is called wisdom, as well as master worker. You should also note how harmonious Proverbs Chapter 8 is with the above translation of John 1:1. Now, let us look as what Jesus Christ had to say about His Father in the New Testament. Matt. 4:10; “Jesus said to him: ‘Go away, Satan! For it is written, “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”’” (Jesus was obviously not saying that he himself was to be worshiped.) John 8:54; “Jesus answered (the Jews): ‘If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God.’” John 17:26; (Jesus prayed to his Father) “I have made your name known to them and will make it known, it order that the love which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” John 14:28; “… that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” John 5:19; Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.” John 5:30; “I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” The above is pretty clear, once you begin to take in the Bible in its entirety. Nothing in the Bible stands on its own; it must be in harmony with the rest of the Bible. This is the most difficult lesson for most to learn; I know because it was for me as well. And that is why this next verse is so very, very important. John 17:3; This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. Unless you are willing to PERSONALLY take in knowledge of Jehovah God, then you are depending on other men for your information. That is NOT a solid foundation for salvation. Only you are responsible for you. And then we have, in the Bible, knowledge of how the disciples of Jesus Christ worked; Acts5:42; And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus. And we also have a warning about those who do not act as disciples; Revelation 3:16; So, because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth. Please, if there are questions, perhaps I can answer them. If I can not, I have sources who can. Blessings, Richard
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Do you read Greek? If not then your scholarship on the Bible is suspect and your opinions are as meaningless as those of any slack jawed yokel from the Bible Belt.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
What silliness. Is it your intention to claim that Almighty God does not have the power to protect His own Word? I clensed most of the garbage of this world out of my system by reading the King James Bible, which is arguably the worst translation, and the hardest to understand. Not a problem; goodbye Xmas and Easter. The rest of such days shortly followed. I quit having opinions about what is in the Bible a long time ago; now, all I do is read and pray for understanding. You should try it some time. As I have also stated a number of times, I have 12 different translations of the Bible. All of them are in harmony. If you read them with an open mind instead of preconcevied ideas. For instance, in the KJB; Proverbs 6:22; The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. ... 30 Then I was by him, The struck words are words that the translators added to the Scriptures to make it clearer, or so they claim. But such words are clearly marked in the Bible, so just read it without them for clarification. Now let us look at verse 35 in the KJB; For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favor of the Lord. So what is the problem?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice. Thomas Paine
More silliness nincompoop? Details, please, or do not bother, please.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun. Thomas Paine
Do you read Aramaic? Or don't you know what I'm talking about?
Freeper: I read, but do not understand, write, but make no sense, think, but nothing happens.
You keep posting 'stuff' that you do not understand, hoping to hit a home run or something? To understand this one, you have to understand the difference between Christendom, and Christianity. Perhaps one small thing will help you to begin to understand; Sunday = Sun Day, or, day of the Sun. Who Do We Reverence by Keeping Sunday Holy? “It was the Catholic church which…has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.” — Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213. To understand the above, you have to understand who is the Lord of the Roman 'Catholic' church. That Lord is named Nimrod, worshipped throughout histroy as the Sun god, whose son, Tammuz, was born on December 25th. Nimrod, Tammuz, and Sammaris, wife of Nimrod, were the original Trinity. In the Catholic faith, you will find this statement; a belief in the Trinity is THE Catholic faith. If you have any interest, look up the book, free on the net, The Two Babylons. And finally, Does the Bible support the change to Sunday? “Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” — James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111; 88th Edition, p. 89).
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
What does all that shit mean? Cliff notes your bullshit brah.
Seems pretty clear to me. What part do you not understand?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
Let's start with the beggining of your bullshit.
Alright, here is the first line. What part of this do you not understand? You keep posting 'stuff' that you do not understand, hoping to hit a home run or something? Here is the second line. Is there something in this that you do not understand? To understand this one, you have to understand the difference between Christendom, and Christianity. Perhaps one small thing will help you to begin to understand; Here is the third line. Does your problem(s) start here? Sunday = Sun Day, or, day of the Sun. The next part is about the Catholic church, and is a quote from some official of the church. Surely yu understand THAT.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
What is the difference, you christianbot?
Christianity. Those who accept the Bible as the authority handed down from Almighty God to guide man. Christendom. Those who claim to be Christian but instead of reading and applying the Bible to their daily lives, they follow the doctrines, traditions and dogma of the Roman Catholic church. “They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason…The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance…The author of the Sunday law…is the Catholic Church.” — Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914. “For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” — Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.” This is just one of the reasons that the Roman church refers to the organized so-called Christian religions as her daughters.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
Those who accept the Bible as the authority handed down from Almighty God to guide man. Christendom. Those who claim to be Christian but instead of reading and applying the Bible to their daily lives, they follow the doctrines, traditions and dogma of the Roman Catholic church. There is no difference. Thanks for playing.
Thanks for playing. Thanks for showing how little you know.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
Yes, it is important for me to know as little about xtianity as possible, since it mind control of the worst sort. Only marxism is worse, and not by much.
Are you a Ninja?
Am I gonna get "Raptured",or did I pay all that money for nothing?
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Isn't it lovely watching all the various strains of Christianity preaching to each other, as if they alone talked to the burning bush :)
I hope you did not pay much, since nothing remotely resembling the rapture is in the Bible. In fact, quite the opposite. But it does go to show gullibility; look at how many millions of copies of the books have been sold! Hard to believe.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
I just talked with my Dad for like an hour about fixing the seat in my 2001 Mustang. The left-side back support snapped (again) inside drivers seat, so leaning back becomes an exercise in staring at the central portion of the dash, not to mention extreme discomfort and difficulty operating said vehicle. Take it to the christian owned body shop a couple blocks away, that it the conclusion I have come to.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
The New Testament was not written in Aramaic nor in Hebrew first. It was in Greek. And my point if someone can't read the original Greek, then on what authority does he speak? Christ warned against false teachers who set themselves up on their own authority. When he was about to be taken into the barracks, Paul said to the Tribune, "May I speak to you?" "Do you know Greek?" the Tribune asked. Acts 21:37
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
What you heretics of the west do - Catholic heresies begetting Protestant heresies is of no import to me.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
I need to have the driver's seat on my Tacoma fixed or replaced. I'd like to have a more comfortable replacement rather than a repair to the cloth. Any suggestions? BTW, the latest lighter that bought at the Gandhi store was 50 cents. It's refillable and has worked for 2 months now. The Rhonsins that I bought at CVS crapped in 3 weeks. An email reply form them said "so sorry." Dear Dakmar, what should I do?
We cannot afford peace at any price. - Newt Gingrich, May 29, 1998
This is all crap. Is there any authority that claims that the name of the Savior is "JESUS?" I've not seen any. Why should I believe in the "Bible" when there are so many versions? You apperently adhere to the King James version which is the most political version produced. I'm out.
We cannot afford peace at any price. - Newt Gingrich, May 29, 1998
Several years ago I was vacationing in Chicago during what amounted to a monsoon, but rather than feeling stranded I dashed from my hotel to drug store across the street and bought a ten dollar umbrella and proceeded to explore. Ten dollars doesn't buy a lot in the way of umbrellas, it seems, although it does seem kind of funny now the way it flipped inside-out and then went all lifeless-like in under four minutes. Turns out a good umbrella only cost thirty dollars, but I'll bet someone is still making a fortune selling ten dollar umbrellas.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I've never talked to a burning bush, but I've kissed a couple of shaved ones. That said, I feel protected in the next election because I wash my dishes with "shine shield" Cascade It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
Obviously, there is something that you do not like about the information. Why do you not just come out and say what it is, and, supply your counter-point? Or is it that you just have to have something to bitch about?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
Why should I believe in the "Bible" when there are so many versions? You apperently adhere to the King James version which is the most political version produced. I'm out. I see you only read what you wish to see. King James Bible? Perhaps you should re-read what I said about it above, and, about having 12 different translation of the Bible for verification. What I have found is that all of them are in harmony; it is simply that some are much harder to understand because of the structure of the translation. And, errors, which only become apparent when you study the interior structure of the witnessing within each Bible. As to Jesus and His Name; Most names change to some extent when transferred from one language to another. Jesus was born a Jew (Israelite), and his name in Hebrew was perhaps pronounced Ye-shu’a’, but the inspired writers of the Christian Scriptures did not hesitate to use the Greek form of the name, I-e-sous’. In most other languages the pronunciation is slightly different, but we freely use the form that is common in our tongue. The meaning of the name is; Jehovah is salvation. It would probably surprise you to learn that most of the prophets had names that had meanings as well. Phil. 2:9-11; “For this very reason also God exalted him (Jesus Christ) to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” The reason that you should believe the Bible is that they are in harmony. IF.... you do the work to understand, which is where most people fall away.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
I am asking you what makes your opinion valid - I am asking for your BONA FIDES.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
You still do not read, do you. I am a student of the Bible; nothing more. I am simply more serious about it than most, which is why I have 12 different translations of the Bible. Plus, I do not listen to the traditions of man, most of which have come out of Babylon originally, and through the Roman church, nor do I accept what man says unless it can be proved in the Bible, which, of course, most things that man says can not be. Oh, and one more thing; unlike most, I know how to use the Bible. Now you have my bona whatevers. Only four hundred years ago, the Protestant reformers were vocal in identifying the Roman Catholic Church with the prophecies of Revelation, "the whore" of Revelation 17 and the mystical "Babylon" of Revelation 18. Ancient Babylon is the spiritual mother of Rome with many parallels between their religion, the cities and the festivities they encouraged, Alexander Hislop, in his volume, The Two Babylons, makes clear comparisons between both mighty cities. Therefore, there is no doubt as to the identity of Rome. Rome was the only "great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth" (Revelation 17:18) at the time of the writing of Revelation (AD 96). Rome is also the great trader in goods and the "souls of men" (Revelation 18:13) and "in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all that were slain upon the earth" (Revelation 18:24). These words of the Lord Jesus are recorded by the apostle John (Revelation 1:1), warning his followers to remain true and faithful to him, and not be entangled with the church and the politics of the world. Now, what happened to those Protestant reformers? They went and joined the Roman church, and will share in her destruction, for all time. And if you truly do not understand that, then you have little knowledge of the dogma and traditions of the Roman church, such as Xmas, Easter and all of the rest.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
Why are Americans infatuated with non expert experts? Your opinion is no more valid then the next American's and in fact such speculation by so many different people over these matters is an affront to God. The very gall of someone who can say that he has insights into the Bible that are unique is disrespecting the mystery that is the Triune God.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Amazing. Jehovah God wrote through men for 2,000 years and never mentioned anything about a Triune God. Jesus Christ, the Teacher, spent his entire time on earth and never mentioned a Triune God. Now, is this my opinion? The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.” – (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299. The Catholic church admits that the Triune God did not come from Scripture, and it was not thought of until the end of the 4th century. We have another witness to this; The New Encyclopedia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4)…. The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies…. By the end of the 4th century … the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.” – (1976), Micropaedia, Vol. X, p. 126. People tell me that they do not understand the mystery, but accept it. Why is that? 1 Cor. 14:33; For God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace. Yet the Roman church killed 100s of thousands of people who would not accept the Trinity. If you want chapter and verse on this, simply google the inquistion. 2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All scripture is inspired by God, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." There is no escaping the meaning of these words. The Scriptures are inspired by God, and are the source of all doctrinal information. The Authority of the Roman Church But some will say "Surely, this is also the position of the Church. No Christian would deny that the Bible is the ultimate source of appeal in theological questions." It is true that this is the theoretical position, but in practice the authority of the Church itself is given equal or even greater weight than that of Scripture. One of the dominant ecclesiastical figures of the nineteenth century was John Newman, an Anglican vicar who in later life switched to Rome and eventually became a Catholic Cardinal. If he is at all remembered today it is for his hymn "Lead, kindly Light", but in his day he was well known for his prolific doctrinal writings. He wrote about the doctrine of the Trinity as follows: "It may startle those who are but acquainted with the popular writings of this day, yet, I believe, the most accurate consideration of the subject will lead us to acquiesce in the statement as a general truth, that the doctrines in question (viz., the Trinity and the Incarnation) have never been learned merely from Scripture. Surely the sacred volume was never intended, and is not adapted to teach us our creed; however certain it is that we can prove our creed from it, when it has once been taught us ... From the very first, the rule has been, as a matter of fact, for the Church to teach the truth, and then appeal to Scripture in vindication of its own teaching". Notice the clear implication of these words. The Church formulates the doctrines and then appeals to Scripture in an attempt to support them. This is very different from coming to the Bible with an open mind in order to learn what it teaches. Another Catholic priest, the Rev James Hughes, was even more outspoken about the real source of Church doctrine in general and the Trinity in particular: "My belief in the Trinity is based on the authority of the Church: no other authority is sufficient". I could continue, but what is the use? You accept the authority of the Catholic church to define what you believe. That is a problem for you to solve; no one can do it for you.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
But some will say "Surely, this is also the position of the Church. No Christian would deny that the Bible is the ultimate source of appeal in theological questions." It is true that this is the theoretical position, but in practice the authority of the Church itself is given equal or even greater weight than that of Scripture. One of the dominant ecclesiastical figures of the nineteenth century was John Newman, an Anglican vicar who in later life switched to Rome and eventually became a Catholic Cardinal. If he is at all remembered today it is for his hymn "Lead, kindly Light", but in his day he was well known for his prolific doctrinal writings. He wrote about the doctrine of the Trinity as follows: I am not Roman Catholic. You see what has happened here is that the Protestants in whatever form they mutate into were once Roman Catholics - the Roman Catholics themselves went into heresy. So when an orthodox perspective is injected into the mix a Protestant whose whole existence is designed to refute Catholicism fails when confronted with the acid test of Orthodoxy. Protestant just don't have any ammunition against the Orthodox because all their talking points are designed to be used to counter Roman Catholic talking points. The Orthodox church predates the New Testament. In fact the Orthodox Church composed the New Testament a generation or so after Jesus by men who passed on their authority to bishops of their choosing. It was the Orthodox Church which then compiled the New Testament and told the rest of the faithful which books were gospel and which were not. That is their bona fides - what is yours? To deny the Holy Trinity makes you akin to a Muslim. Protestantism is pretty much the same heresy as Islam to an Orthodox Christian way of comparing the two. Just like Islam - Protestants tend to deny the priesthood, deny the Trinity, deny sainthood, deny veneration of icons, advocate sola scriptura and many other similarities (including polygamy under the Mormon heresy - which in itself is an offshoot of Protestantism).
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
Yeah, right, worshipping one God. Pretty good company compared to those who worship three in one. Without having any Biblical foundation. In fact, in direct condradiction to the Bible. And, against everything that Jesus Christ taught. History is very clear on this subject; there was no trinity in Christianity until the 4th century. And, it was not taught in the Old Testament, nor in the New. The historical record also shows that ALL pagan religions had a triune god. I have posted the details about this, but is this all of the story? Not hardly. http://www.paganchristianity.org/ Book Description Have you ever wondered why we Christians do what we do for church every Sunday morning? Why do we "dress up" for church? Why does the pastor preach a sermon each week? Why do we have pews, steeples, choirs, and seminaries? This volume reveals the startling truth: most of what Christians do in present-day churches is not rooted in the New Testament, but in pagan culture and rituals developed long after the death of the apostles. Coauthors Frank Viola and George Barna support their thesis with compelling historical evidence in the first-ever book to document the full story of modern Christian church practices. Many Christians take for granted that their church's practices are rooted in Scripture. Yet those practices look very different from those of the first- century church. The New Testament is not silent on how the early church freely expressed the reality of Christ's indwelling in ways that rocked the first- century world. Times have changed. Pagan Christianity leads us on a fascinating tour through church history, revealing this startling and unsettling truth: Many cherished church traditions embraced today originated not out of the New Testament, but out of pagan practices. One of the most troubling outcomes has been the effect on average believers: turning them from living expressions of Christ's glory and power to passive observers. If you want to see that trend reversed, turn to Pagan Christianity . . . a book that examines and challenges every aspect of our contemporary church experience. Endorsements "Most contemporary Christians are massively ignorant as to how the church got to where it is today and of how much current church practice is due simply to accumulated tradition, with little or no roots in Scripture. This book provides a useful service in peeling back the layers of tradition, showing the origins of much that we today call "church." Christians who want to be biblically faithful, regardless of their particular tradition or church form, can learn and benefit from the book." Howard Snyder, Professor of History and Theology of Mission, Asbury Theological Seminary, author of "The Problem of Wineskins" and "The Community of the King." Now, I am going to repeat what I said before; the ONLY people I know that adhere to the Bible in their daily lives are the Jehovah's Witnesses, which is why I am joining with them. I care NOTHING for the traditions of men; I do care about what Jesus Christ taught. What you need to do, if you have any hope for resurrection and the promises that Jehovah God has made to us, is to go back and review this thread. And, try and clean yourself of the garbage of men.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
Thank you for admitting that Islam and Protestants are the opposite side of the same coin.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
That is a lie - I have studied religions all my life and that is an outright lie. I dare you to name one pagan God that was a trinity in composition. I will head you off at the pass - the Romans had Janus - but he had two essences not three. Janus and his Greek counterpart Hermes are the only compound god in mythology and they are both dual compiste gods not a trinity. The Trinity is one being with three aspects. God, God transforming himself into a man and sending that aspect of himself into the world while his other aspect sits on the heavenly throne and the Holy Spirit which can be said to be the power of God flowing from Heaven to earth (in a lay description). It is also clear that the trinity or belief that God had aspects is found among the Jewish people. Just like Christianity has many sects so did the Jews whose different sects had different ideas of what the Messiah would be and what God is.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
If you have studied religion all of your life, then maybe you need to stop studying and start living the Truth. Stop looking for self-justification and start living like the Bible tells us to. Stop looking for ways to justify what you want to believe, and let Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit guide you. Jehovah Almighty God has protected His Word, and the proof of this is in the harmony found among the Bibles. They all have the same message, IF you have any interest in that message. It is your choice; after all, it is only eternal life at stake, right?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
You made the claim that Pagan religions had triune gods - name the gods. If you can't you are a liar or a fool for making said claim and thus any authority to the truth made by you is suspect.
"We have oil. We have Putin - all that Russians think they need." - Vladimir Dubin, senior researcher at the Moscow-based Levada Centre.
I'd like to have a more comfortable replacement rather than a repair to the cloth. Any suggestions? The guys down the street at christian owned bodyshop came through for me today and installed the used GT drivers seat I'd asked them to order. Why aren't Moslems crawling around in junkyards getting me the pieces I need to make mine an added value automobile?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I don't know but perhaps the Mexicans are low-bidding. I'd like to them Mexes in my locale.
We cannot afford peace at any price. - Newt Gingrich, May 29, 1998
#2. To: Destro (#1)
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Do you read Greek?
as one brought up with him: and ...
#3. To: richard9151 (#0)
Who is Jesus Christ?
#4. To: Ninpo (#3)
There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice. Thomas Paine
#5. To: richard9151 (#4)
#6. To: Destro (#1)
Do you read Greek?
#7. To: Ninpo (#5)
The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun. Thomas Paine
#8. To: richard9151 (#7)
#9. To: Ninpo (#8)
What does all that shit mean?
#10. To: richard9151 (#9)
To understand this one, you have to understand the difference between Christendom, and Christianity. Perhaps one small thing will help you to begin to understand;
#11. To: Ninpo (#10)
Let's start with the beggining of your bullshit.
#12. To: richard9151 (#11)
#13. To: Ninpo (#12)
What is the difference, you christianbot?
#14. To: richard9151 (#13)
Christianity.
#15. To: Ninpo (#14)
There is no difference.
#16. To: richard9151 (#15)
Thanks for showing how little you know.
#17. To: Ninpo (#16)
"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all
#18. To: richard9151, dakmar (#13)
#19. To: Flintlock (#18)
#20. To: Flintlock (#18)
Am I gonna get "Raptured",or did I pay all that money for nothing?
#21. To: Flintlock (#18)
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Am I gonna get "Raptured",or did I pay all that money for nothing?
#22. To: Turtle, richard9151 (#6)
Do you read Aramaic? Or don't you know what I'm talking about?
#23. To: richard9151 (#2)
I clensed most of the garbage of this world out of my system by reading the King James Bible, which is arguably the worst translation, and the hardest to understand. Not a problem; goodbye Xmas and Easter. The rest of such days shortly followed.
#24. To: Dakmar (#21)
#25. To: richard9151 (#0)
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#26. To: rack42 (#24)
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The Rhonsins that I bought at CVS crapped in 3 weeks.
#27. To: Jethro Tull, Dakmar (#19)
Isn't it lovely watching all the various strains of Christianity preaching to each other, as if they alone talked to the burning bush :)
#28. To: Destro (#22)
Christ warned against false teachers who set themselves up on their own authority.
#29. To: rack42 (#25)
Is there any authority that claims that the name of the Savior is "JESUS?" I've not seen any.
#30. To: richard9151 (#28)
Obviously, there is something that you do not like about the information.
#31. To: Destro, *Bible facts* (#30)
I am asking you what makes your opinion valid - I am asking for your BONA FIDES.
#32. To: richard9151 (#31)
I am a student of the Bible; nothing more.
#33. To: Destro, *Bible facts* (#32)
that he has insights into the Bible that are unique is disrespecting the mystery that is the Triune God.
#34. To: richard9151 (#33)
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The Authority of the Roman Church
#35. To: Destro, *Big Pharma*, *9-11*, *Old Wives Tales*, *Bible facts*, *Agriculture-Environment*, *CAFR* (#34)
To deny the Holy Trinity makes you akin to a Muslim.
#36. To: richard9151 (#35)
Yeah, right, worshipping one God. Pretty good company compared to those who worship three in one.
#37. To: richard9151 (#35)
The historical record also shows that ALL pagan religions had a triune god.
#38. To: Destro (#37)
That is a lie - I have studied religions all my life and that is an outright lie.
#39. To: richard9151 (#38)
(Edited)
If you have studied religion all of your life,
#40. To: rack42, Flintlock (#24)
I need to have the driver's seat on my Tacoma fixed or replaced.
#41. To: Dakmar (#40)
Why aren't Moslems crawling around in junkyards getting me the pieces I need to make mine an added value automobile?
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