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Title: Cynicom : Let's Discuss THIS!
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Published: Sep 23, 2008
Author: Malcolm Martin
Post Date: 2008-09-24 13:17:24 by angle
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Cyni, I would like you to read this and critique it for me. All Welcome. " ..."I wrote The Shock Doctrine in the hopes that it would make us all better prepared for the next big shock." Forgive me this simple question Ms. Klein, but who praytell is "us"? Because if it is, as I suspect, your circle of friends, you know, the Birkenstock wearing, Starbuck's drinking, Barnes & Noble crowd, then you are preching to maybe the most impotent segment of the US population. Marx called them the petty bourgeois. Check this out Ms. Klein, American bourgeois democracy is being held under water. It will drown, never to be resuscitated. The liberal intelligentsia of the petty bourgeois spins its wheels in the mud of this reality. On this point Al Gore’s quixotic campaign to sound the alarm on the ecological disaster right around the corner is instructive. In An Inconvenient Truth Gore lays out the incontrovertible facts of global warming, hoping to organize and agitate to a tipping point that changes governmental policy. A young Al Gore saw Dr. Martin Luther King do just that in his confrontation with racism. Despite titling his recent book “The Assault On Reason” Gore and clings to the idea that rationality still has influence in American ruling circles. The real inconvenient truth is that even the great Dr. King could not generate an effective civil rights movement in this era and that the rape of the planet will not end until a stake is driven into the heart of capitalism. The sad truth is that the petty bourgeois cannot defeat the capitalist ruling class! They are a timid and passive group who, in this time for warriors, gather at the gates of the palace to nag and complain essentially to each other. There are scores of Internet websites, magazines, newspapers, radio programs and networks, and some small television networks where liberal, left, progressive, and other commentators show up to whine out loud. They rail against the outrages and inhumanity of the U.S. government and the Bush Administration. They point out the duplicity, the corruption, the hypocrisy, the inhumanity, and the utter criminality loosed in the world today but to no useful end since capitalism will not be reformed nor shamed to death. Pointing out the defects of capitalism has become as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. The ruling class brushes its liberal democratic critics off like gnats as long as they stay away from the third rail. But let one of these voices dare mention unity based on working class-consciousness and a mobilization to strike at profits and great danger would shortly thereafter visit. No matter the danger, it must begin to be spoken by a warrior vanguard: socialism is the only way humankind will live into the distant future on this planet. Only a working class with a consciousness of itself and united across all racial, national and cultural boundaries is capable of seizing power. Only a working class in power will see to the end of this madness and willingly share our available resources for the sake of human survival."
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#1. To: cynicom (#0)
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Still pimping the world socialist man made global climate change claptrap of the ecocon/neocons?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I'm not pimping. I'm asking for discussion without hyperbole. If you're able, give it. It's more the working class power aspect that I'm directing toward cyni for comment.
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The author is confusing capitalism with the cronyism we currently have. Capitalism is naturally checked by the market. Cronyism is not.
Your foundation has a large crack in it. Waste of time from the gitgo. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Just up from my required PM nap. Have read it and will respond.
You are a libertoid fucktard.
So the planet is not suffering from humanities extreme lack of respect?
Cyni, If you're able to receive any redeeming value out of this jumbled stream of swill, you're either Einstein or Marx reincarnate.
I have a comment, or maybe 2, or 3. There is NO such thing as a 'working class' in the USA. What we got is mostly consumers. Our working class lives in Asia, South America, parts of East Europe. In my view, they're a lot stupider than America's petite bourgeoisie - leaving their country-side dwellings so that they can live in some rat and insect infested slum and work their asses off so that we, here, in America, could get cheap DVD players and water beds. So, what do you have in mind for America? Some national Consumer Onion?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
And you can't come up with an intelligent response. It must suck to be so inadequate, but I bet you hear that a lot.
Business is business, but the manner in which business is conducted depends on with whom you do business.
“It seems fair to regard negroes as on the average inferior to white men.” -- Bertrand Russell
And where you do business and who gets to make the rules. But I understand your point.
It is simple, fucktard. There is no free market, there is no such thing as capitalism (with a free market), in fact, I would wager that even "capitalism" is not nor could ever be "free", because there is an oligarchy controlling it. If 2+2=4, only a fucktard like you would think it is 3. Here endith the lesson.
We have a mixed-economy of capitalism and socialism. So sez my Macroeconomics and Intro to Business classes this semester.
You contradicted yourself. Either there is no such thing as capitalism, or you would wager that ""capitalism" is not nor could ever be "free", because there is an oligarchy controlling it. " Please try to make sense. Here endith the lesson. The only thing you're teaching me is how not to act if I want to avoid looking stupid.
We're sliding further and further away from capitalism each day. We may take a HUGE step away this week.
The last history class I ever took in college, I learned that the USA is the virginia company, and that free masons have controlled it ever since 1776.
There is no such thing as "capitalism". What you call "capitalism" is just an oligarchy. There are no free markets in an oligarchy. In fact, the term "free market" is a term made up by the oligarchy to keep idiots like you reading lew rockwell and voting for the libertoid party.
Forgive me this simple question Ms. Klein, but who praytell is "us"? The six million dollar question. In An Inconvenient Truth Gore lays out the incontrovertible facts of global warming Rubbish. Despite titling his recent book “The Assault On Reason” Gore and clings to the idea that rationality still has influence in American ruling circles. Reason has never sat the throne of the mind of man. It's an adaptive tool, nothing more, mostly used for rationalization of impulses of which people aren't even aware. No man can be certain of the extent to which he merely rationalizes impulses, many of which are emergent(social) group impulses. Empirically, people disconnected from their limbic systems by injury do not become Vulcans, they become placid, passive, and listless. Only a working class with a consciousness of itself and united across all racial, national and cultural boundaries is capable of seizing power. It would be a Pyrrhic victory for anyone who likes liberty. The people at the top have the talent and attitude to come out on top of any power system, capitalist or otherwise. Besides racial harmony of that degree is a retarded pipe dream. Diversity in a group is rather a good way to help prevent anything from being done. But at least the author concedes race exists, which I suppose is progress.
“It seems fair to regard negroes as on the average inferior to white men.” -- Bertrand Russell
First of all I assume the author is an amalgamation of Martin King and Malcolm X. "that the rape of the planet will not end until a stake is driven into the heart of capitalism. " I find the above to be correct and interesting, but for the wrong reason. Had the author said...rape of the planet and its people...that would have been more correct. As we now endure Capitalism and Socialism, they are ONE AND THE SAME. There is not one shred of difference as to who is in charge. It has taken Americans decades to finally realize that in politics, there is only one party, therefore socialism and capitalism are one and the same. Original "Socialism" as conceived by Robert Owen was in fact a great human endeavor to ease the plight of mankind, a revolutionary concept. The best of mankind. However along came Clinton Roosevelt and Karl Marx that found in socialism a weapon to use for the enslavement of man. The wealthiest of America capitalism are in fact the greatest socialists, owners and operators, the Rockefellers and on down. Until Americans realize that modern day Socialism is Capitalism at work, we will have no change.
Just because it's over your head doesn't mean that libertarian philosophy is "evil". It just means you're too stupid to comprehend it.
You don't know what I call capitalism. You assume many things.
Yeah. Libertoids and randroids are sooooo deep.
It's not the economic system that enslaves anyone, it's the government coercion on the business end. Socialism wouldn't exist in a free society, just charity.
I would say that presently the government, socialism and capitalism is all the same people. One big happy family, at the top. Trying to divorce the ruling elite from owning and operating all functions of government and society is futile.
At this point in time I tend to agree but I see a reason for that. The "ruling elite" are entrenched in the halls of coercion and not subject to any market forces of consequence. The robber barons were only able to accrue as much influence as they did because they harnessed the power of the free market AND the coercive power of government. Take away the coercion of government and competition prevents any of them from obtaining the level of influence they gained.
The power of libertoid force, is strong with this one....
Any comments of substance or are you just going to masturbate all over the forum?
Your repeating the same thing that libertoids have trademarked for years on lew rockwell et all is a cum stain. Do you have anything even remotely to add that is not taken (word for word) from the libertoid bible?
Any change of "party" in Washington finds the same people from business just switching chairs, president after president. Is there EVER anyone representing labor present in any new government??? Never. All of the power appointments are filled from business and few from academia. Ike was on the right track with his MIC. He should have added that Capitalism and Socialism are one and the same.
Nothing that isn't over your head.
That's why government is best when it is weak and mostly powerless.
They have been joined at the hip in this country since 1913.
The sad truth is that no man or combination of men can defeat them. Has never been done, and will never be done. And if you think that the establishment of the CONstitution was somehow a defeat for 'them,' then you have no knowledge of the First Bank of the United States, or, of who has been in control of the United States since 1792. Jeremiah 10:23; I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. 1 John 5:19; We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the (power of the) wicked one.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
LOL! Nothing you have posted is "above my head". I understand all the bullshit you libertoids preach. It was old when libertarianism was created, and it was old when lew rockwell started posting it, and it is old listening to you post it. Sorry.
They have been joined at the hip in this country since 1792. It is interesting to note that the first recorded meeting of a communist group occured in Philly in 1827. They were around before that, just as capitalism has been.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
So read something else and leave those who enjoy discussing it to their own pursuits. It's a simple concept.
It goes back to bablyon and mars brah. This is not something new. Our history has been taken from us. Stored in the vatican. Hidden. Dark.
I call a spade a spade when I see 'em. I make no apologies. Get over it.
World bankers bought the US government in 1913, for cheap. Four years later "socialism" with its ugly head called Communism appeared in Russia and financed by the same people that owned the Federal Reserve. Americans fight socialism and or capitalism and it is one and the same.
True enough. The present incarnation has it's roots in the creation of the Federal Reserve but central banks have been a large and destructive part of our legacy.
No, you're whining like a little bitch.
One could argue that the natural state of Capitalism is a CronyCartel Syndicalism. Contrary to the popular blather, the natural state of a business is to monopolize, and cronyism is merely an extension or a means to an end to that goal. Honestly, what businessman WANTS competition? Natural Capitalism is sort of a Rousseauian concept, perhaps Neitzchean, from the Railroad Companies to the Rockefellers and Mellons, destroying the competition by any means possible, fair and foul being virtually irrelevant concepts was the goal. Except for small scale markets and bazaars, consolidation is the goal, because more control means more profits. From oil companies to bootleggers to coke dealers to the paper pimps of Wall Street, competition is anathema.
And is still around, alive and well, in the Vatican and in 'the City,' i.e., the London financial center. See the book, The Two Babylons. Pretty well informed, I am. And well read, I might as well add.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
None of them do if they are smart. The thing is, without the coercive power of government, there is little any of them can do to stop it. Nature abhors a monopoly.
Pretty well informed, I am. And well read, I might as well add. I concur. Along with the business section in France, belgium et all.
And we were in a world war within 2. The creation of the Fed was nothing more than a means to finance wars and enrich those who were in a position to profit from those wars.
Well, the 19th Century monopolies did very well and there was virtually no govt intervention. Now, this whole financial thingie, yes, I'd agree that govt exacerbated the problem but that was because the American people wanted "affordable" home ownership. No one really to blame, we bankrupted ourselves.
Not hardly. 1 John 5:19; We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the (power of the) wicked one.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
OK, OK, God is to blame.
I don't think so. Not according to any Bible I have read. Alnighty God still offers the solution, but so few listen. So the problems continue.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
I tend to blame the Federal Reserve and the existence of fiat money. If there is any one person to blame I pick Alan Greenspan.
I want to discuss the premise of the last paragraph of the article. I posted all the rest including the Gore and King parts to make sure that you were reading the comments in context. Back to what I want to know from you... "...socialism defined as a working class with a consciousness of itself and united across all racial, national and cultural boundaries is capable of seizing power. Only a working class in power will see to the end of this madness and willingly share our available resources for the sake of human survival... Not what "is" now, but can this concept as defined above ever become reality? Thank you for your thoughts and comments.
I tend to blame the Federal Reserve and the existence of fiat money. If there is any one person to blame I pick Alan Greenspan. I think that's fair. Let's throw in Darth Cheney for good measure. And David Rockefeller for polluting and corrupting what was once good, or could have been good. And a Rothschild for principle.
The Fed seems always to have been the irresistible carrot that motivated congress to overspend, thus indebting the government to the select group of private banks it comprises. The situation of hopeless obligation appears to come just before other major changes occur. I'm hearing talk of international regulation of banking now. If monetary control is more powerful than political government, and it is, then we will have global monetary control if the calls for regulation continue. And they will.
Ninpo, please stop the crude and insulting name calling. There was no reason at all for you to come right out of the chute with that post to duckhunter. It was unwarranted. You are welcome to challenge and debate the merits of an article or post, but do so without the ad hominems. Thanks
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Stay and post. I like what you have to say, I just don't like how you say it.
Laughing uncontrollably and uproariously! At you dum bass.
LOL! That hypocrite, Al Gore, flies all over the world in private jets, rides around in Chevy Suburbans, a house that uses more electricity in an average month than almost anyone would use in three years--and he wants everyone else to "conserve" and "cut back." That is because he is just soooooo worried about "Mother Earth" and it just breaks his old heart when he thinks about all that "global warming." All total bs, all Al cares about is the money. If he decided he could make more running around yammering about the "coming Ice Age" you can bet your @$$ that that is what he would be talking about. Why anyone pays the least bit of attention to that phony baloney just boggles the mind. Incontrovertible facts? LOL! Why is it that they won't even allow it to be shown to school children in England without a disclaimer that it is not accurate?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "certain, undeniable, and not open to question" doubtful.
That is surely one of the most stupid utterances ever to make it from the fevered mind of some communist loser into print. If you want to see some good examples of the tragedy of the commons just look around in areas that are frequented by the public that everyone, yet no one, owns.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Ain't that the truth! To be kind about the article it just barely makes it to mindless drivel.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL! That's tellin' him! I suspect you know that you are feeding a troll with that guy but your response to him was great.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I've thought better of it since yesterday. I'll no longer be feeding this particular troll.
Good for you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You obviously have not been reading the attacks I have been recieving from duckhead and his ilk. It is not my fault you are misinformed and sticking up for your cronies. Sorry.
As I said before, xtine....
#2. To: angle (#0)
#3. To: Rotara (#2)
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#4. To: angle, *libertarians*, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)
#5. To: angle (#0)
Pointing out the defects of capitalism has become as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. The ruling class brushes its liberal democratic critics off like gnats as long as they stay away from the third rail. But let one of these voices dare mention unity based on working class-consciousness and a mobilization to strike at profits and great danger would shortly thereafter visit.
#6. To: angle (#3)
On this point Al Gore’s quixotic campaign to sound the alarm on the ecological disaster right around the corner is instructive. In An Inconvenient Truth Gore lays out the incontrovertible facts of global warming, hoping to organize and agitate to a tipping point that changes governmental policy.
#7. To: angle (#0)
#8. To: duckhunter (#5)
The author is confusing capitalism with the cronyism we currently have. Capitalism is naturally checked by the market. Cronyism is not.
#9. To: Rotara (#6)
#10. To: Cynicom (#7)
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#11. To: angle (#0)
#12. To: Ninpo (#8)
You are a libertoid fucktard.
#13. To: duckhunter (#5)
The author is confusing capitalism with the cronyism we currently have. Capitalism is naturally checked by the market. Cronyism is not.
#14. To: Tauzero (#13)
Business is business, but the manner in which business is conducted depends on with whom you do business.
#15. To: duckhunter (#12)
And you can't come up with an intelligent response. It must suck to be so inadequate, but I bet you hear that a lot.
#16. To: Ninpo (#15)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#17. To: Ninpo (#15)
There is no free market, there is no such thing as capitalism (with a free market), in fact, I would wager that even "capitalism" is not nor could ever be "free", because there is an oligarchy controlling it.
#18. To: X-15 (#16)
We have a mixed-economy of capitalism and socialism. So sez my Macroeconomics and Intro to Business classes this semester.
#19. To: X-15 (#16)
We have a mixed-economy of capitalism and socialism. So sez my Macroeconomics and Intro to Business classes this semester.
#20. To: duckhunter (#17)
You contradicted yourself. Either there is no such thing as capitalism, or you would wager that ""capitalism" is not nor could ever be "free", because there is an oligarchy controlling it. " Please try to make sense.
#21. To: angle (#0)
#22. To: angle, jedthro tull, christine (#3)
#23. To: Ninpo (#20)
In fact, the term "free market" is a term made up by the oligarchy to keep idiots like you reading lew rockwell and voting for the libertoid party.
#24. To: Ninpo (#20)
What you call "capitalism" is just an oligarchy.
#25. To: duckhunter (#23)
Just because it's over your head doesn't mean that libertarian philosophy is "evil". It just means you're too stupid to comprehend it.
#26. To: Cynicom (#22)
Original "Socialism" as conceived by Robert Owen was in fact a great human endeavor to ease the plight of mankind, a revolutionary concept. The best of mankind. However along came Clinton Roosevelt and Karl Marx that found in socialism a weapon to use for the enslavement of man
#27. To: duckhunter (#26)
It's not the economic system that enslaves anyone, it's the government coercion on the business end. Socialism wouldn't exist in a free society, just charity.
#28. To: Cynicom (#27)
Trying to divorce the ruling elite from owning and operating all functions of government and society is futile.
#29. To: duckhunter (#28)
Take away the coercion of government and competition prevents any of them from obtaining the level of influence they gained.
#30. To: Ninpo (#29)
#31. To: duckhunter (#30)
Any comments of substance or are you just going to masturbate all over the forum?
#32. To: duckhunter (#28)
Take away the coercion of government and competition prevents any of them from obtaining the level of influence they gained.
#33. To: Ninpo (#31)
Do you have anything even remotely to add that is not taken (word for word) from the libertoid bible?
#34. To: Cynicom (#32)
Is there EVER anyone representing labor present in any new government??? Never. All of the power appointments are filled from business and few from academia.
#35. To: Cynicom (#32)
He should have added that Capitalism and Socialism are one and the same.
#36. To: angle (#0)
The sad truth is that the petty bourgeois cannot defeat the capitalist ruling class!
#37. To: duckhunter (#33)
Nothing that isn't over your head.
#38. To: duckhunter (#35)
They have been joined at the hip in this country since 1913.
#39. To: Ninpo (#37)
It was old when libertarianism was created, and it was old when lew rockwell started posting it, and it is old listening to you post it.
#40. To: richard9151 (#38)
#41. To: duckhunter (#39)
So read something else and leave those who enjoy discussing it to their own pursuits. It's a simple concept.
#42. To: duckhunter (#35)
They have been joined at the hip in this country since 1913.
#43. To: richard9151 (#38)
They have been joined at the hip in this country since 1792.
#44. To: Ninpo (#41)
I call a spade a spade when I see 'em.
#45. To: duckhunter (#5)
#46. To: Ninpo (#40)
It goes back to bablyon
#47. To: swarthyguy (#45)
Honestly, what businessman WANTS competition?
#48. To: richard9151 (#46)
And is still around, alive and well, in the Vatican and in 'the City,' i.e., the London financial center. See the book, The Two Babylons.
#49. To: Cynicom (#42)
Four years later "socialism" with its ugly head called Communism appeared in Russia and financed by the same people that owned the Federal Reserve.
#50. To: duckhunter (#47)
without the coercive power of government, there is little any of them can do to stop
#51. To: swarthyguy (#50)
No one really to blame,
#52. To: richard9151 (#51)
#53. To: swarthyguy (#52)
OK, OK, God is to blame.
#54. To: swarthyguy (#50)
No one really to blame, we bankrupted ourselves.
#55. To: Cynicom (#27)
presently the government, socialism and capitalism is all the same people
#56. To: duckhunter (#54)
#57. To: duckhunter (#54)
I tend to blame the Federal Reserve and the existence of fiat money. If there is any one person to blame I pick Alan Greenspan.
#58. To: Ninpo, duckhunter (#8)
(Edited)
You are a libertoid fucktard.
#59. To: Ninpo (#58)
Nah nah nah nah nah
#60. To: Ninpo (#58)
Ninpo, please stop the crude and insulting name calling.
#61. To: angle (#0)
In An Inconvenient Truth Gore lays out the incontrovertible facts of global warming, hoping to organize and agitate to a tipping point that changes governmental policy.
Lord Acton
#62. To: James Deffenbach (#61)
Incontrovertible facts?
#63. To: angle (#0)
socialism is the only way humankind will live into the distant future on this planet.
Lord Acton
#64. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#10)
If you're able to receive any redeeming value out of this jumbled stream of swill, you're either Einstein or Marx reincarnate.
Lord Acton
#65. To: duckhunter (#17)
The only thing you're teaching me is how not to act if I want to avoid looking stupid.
Lord Acton
#66. To: James Deffenbach (#65)
I suspect you know that you are feeding a troll with that guy
#67. To: duckhunter (#66)
I've thought better of it since yesterday. I'll no longer be feeding this particular troll.
Lord Acton
#68. To: christine (#58)
Ninpo, please stop the crude and insulting name calling. There was no reason at all for you to come right out of the chute with that post to duckhunter. It was unwarranted.
#69. To: yukon, christine (#60)
Laughing uncontrollably and uproariously! At you dum bass.
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