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Title: Mad Dog Palin
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URL Source: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20914.htm
Published: Oct 1, 2008
Author: Matt Taibbi
Post Date: 2008-10-01 22:08:15 by richard9151
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Mad Dog Palin

By Matt Taibbi

01/10/09 "Rolling Stone" -- - Sep 27, 2008 -- - The scariest thing about John McCain's running mate isn't how unqualified she is -- it's what her candidacy says about America.

I'm standing outside the XCEL ENERGY CENTER in St. Paul, Minnesota. Sarah Palin has just finished her speech to the Republican National Convention, accepting the party's nomination for vice president. If I hadn't quit my two-packs-a-day habit earlier this year, I'd be chain-smoking now. So the only thing left is to stand mute against the fit-for-a-cheap-dog-kennel crowd-control fencing you see everywhere at these idiotic conventions and gnaw on weird new feelings of shock and anarchist rage as one would a rawhide chew toy.

All around me, a million cops in their absurd post-9/11 space-combat get-ups stand guard as assholes in papier-mâché puppet heads scramble around for one last moment of network face time before the coverage goes dark. Four-chinned delegates from places like Arkansas and Georgia are pouring joyously out the gates in search of bars where they can load up on Zombies and Scorpion Bowls and other "wild" drinks and extra-maritally grope their turkey-necked female companions in bathroom stalls as part of the "unbelievable time" they will inevitably report to their pals back home. Only 21st-century Americans can pass through a metal detector six times in an hour and still think they're at a party.

The defining moment for me came shortly after Palin and her family stepped down from the stage to uproarious applause, looking happy enough to throw a whole library full of books into a sewer. In the crush to exit the stadium, a middle-aged woman wearing a cowboy hat, a red-white-and-blue shirt and an obvious eye job gushed to a male colleague they were both wearing badges identifying them as members of the Colorado delegation at the Xcel gates.

"She totally reminds me of my cousin!" the delegate screeched. "She's a real woman! The real thing!"

I stared at her open-mouthed. In that moment, the rank cynicism of the whole sorry deal was laid bare. Here's the thing about Americans. You can send their kids off by the thousands to get their balls blown off in foreign lands for no reason at all, saddle them with billions in debt year after congressional year while they spend their winters cheerfully watching game shows and football, pull the rug out from under their mortgages, and leave them living off their credit cards and their Wal-Mart salaries while you move their jobs to China and Bangalore.

And none of it matters, so long as you remember a few months before Election Day to offer them a two-bit caricature culled from some cutting-room-floor episode of Roseanne as part of your presidential ticket. And if she's a good enough likeness of a loudmouthed middle-American archetype, as Sarah Palin is, John Q. Public will drop his giant-size bag of Doritos in gratitude, wipe the Sizzlin' Picante dust from his lips and rush to the booth to vote for her. Not because it makes sense, or because it has a chance of improving his life or anyone else's, but simply because it appeals to the low-humming narcissism that substitutes for his personality, because the image on TV reminds him of the mean, brainless slob he sees in the mirror every morning.

Sarah Palin is a symbol of everything that is wrong with the modern United States. As a representative of our political system, she's a new low in reptilian villainy, the ultimate cynical masterwork of puppeteers like Karl Rove. But more than that, she is a horrifying symbol of how little we ask for in return for the total surrender of our political power.

Not only is Sarah Palin a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV -and this country is going to eat her up, cheering her every step of the way. All because most Americans no longer have the energy to do anything but lie back and allow ourselves to be jacked off by the calculating thieves who run this grasping consumer paradise we call a nation.

The Palin speech was a political masterpiece, one of the most ingenious pieces of electoral theater this country has ever seen. Never before has a single televised image turned a party's fortunes around faster.

Until the Alaska governor actually ascended to the podium that night, I was convinced that John McCain had made one of the all-time campaign season blunders, that he had acted impulsively and out of utter desperation in choosing a cross-eyed political neophyte just two years removed from running a town smaller than the bleacher section at Fenway Park. It even crossed my mind that there was an element of weirdly self-destructive pique in McCain's decision to cave in to his party's right-wing base in this fashion, that perhaps he was responding to being ordered by party elders away from a tepid, ideologically promiscuous hack like Joe Lieberman -- reportedly his real preference -- by picking the most obviously unqualified, doomed-to-fail joke of a Bible-thumping buffoon. As in: You want me to rally the base? Fine, I'll rally the base. Here, I'll choose this rifle-toting, serially pregnant moose killer who thinks God lobbies for oil pipelines. Happy now?

But watching Palin's speech, I had no doubt that I was witnessing a historic, iconic performance. The candidate sauntered to the lectern with the assurance of a sleepwalker - and immediately launched into a symphony of snorting and sneering remarks, taking time out in between the superior invective to present herself as just a humble gal with a beefcake husband and a brood of healthy, combat-ready spawn who just happened to be the innocent targets of a communist and probably also homosexual media conspiracy. It was a virtuoso performance. She appeared to be completely without shame and utterly full of shit, awing a room full of hardened reporters with her sickly sweet line about the high-school-flame-turned-hubby who, "five children later" is "still my guy." It was like watching Gidget address the Reichstag.

Within minutes, Palin had given TV audiences a character infinitely recognizable to virtually every American: the small-town girl with just enough looks and a defiantly incurious mind who thinks the PTA minutes are Holy Writ, and injustice means the woman next door owning a slightly nicer set of drapes or flatware. Or the governorship, as it were.

Right-wingers of the Bush-Rove ilk have had a tough time finding a human face to put on their failed, inhuman, mean-as-hell policies. But it was hard not to recognize the genius of wedding that faltering brand of institutionalized greed to the image of the suburban American supermom. It's the perfect cover, for there is almost nothing in the world meaner than this species of provincial tyrant. Palin herself burned this political symbiosis into the pages of history with her seminal crack about the "difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull: lipstick," blurring once and for all the lines between meanness on the grand political scale as understood by the Roves and Bushes of the world, and meanness of the small-town variety as understood by pretty much anyone who has ever sat around in his ranch-house den dreaming of a fourth plasma-screen TV or an extra set of KC HiLites for his truck, while some ghetto family a few miles away shares a husk of government cheese.

In her speech, Palin presented herself as a raging baby-making furnace of middle-class ambition next to whom the yuppies of the Obama set -who never want anything all that badly except maybe a few afternoons with someone else's wife, or a few kind words in The New York Times Book Review -- seem like weak, self-doubting celibates, the kind of people who certainly cannot be trusted to believe in the right God or to defend a nation. We're used to seeing such blatant cultural caricaturing in our politicians. But Sarah Palin is something new. She's all caricature. As the candidate of a party whose positions on individual issues are poll losers almost across the board, her shtick is not even designed to sell a line of policies. It's just designed to sell her. The thing was as much as admitted in the on-air gaffe by former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan, who was inadvertently caught saying on MSNBC that Palin wasn't the most qualified candidate, that the party "went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives."

The great insight of the Palin VP choice is that huge chunks of American voters no longer even demand that their candidates actually have policy positions; they simply consume them as media entertainment, rooting for or against them according to the reflexive prejudices of their demographic, as they would for reality-show contestants or sitcom characters. Hicks root for hicks, moms for moms, born-agains for born-agains. Sure, there was politics in the Palin speech, but it was all either silly lies or merely incidental fluffery buttressing the theatrical performance. A classic example of what was at work here came when Palin proudly introduced her Down syndrome baby, Trig, then stared into the camera and somberly promised parents of special-needs kids that they would "have a friend and advocate in the White House." This was about a half-hour before she raised her hands in triumph with McCain, a man who voted against increasing funding for special-needs education.

Palin's charge that "government is too big" and that Obama "wants to grow it" was similarly preposterous. Not only did her party just preside over the largest government expansion since LBJ, but Palin herself has been a typical Bush-era Republican, borrowing and spending beyond her means. Her great legacy as mayor of Wasilla was the construction of a $14.7 million hockey arena in a city with an annual budget of $20 million; Palin OK'd a bond issue for the project before the land had been secured, leading to a protracted legal mess that ultimately forced taxpayers to pay more than six times the original market price for property the city ended up having to seize from a private citizen using eminent domain. Better yet, Palin ended up paying for the fucking thing with a 25 percent increase in the city sales tax. But in her speech, of course, Palin presented herself as the enemy of tax increases, righteously bemoaning that "taxes are too high," and Obama "wants to raise them."

Palin hasn't been too worried about federal taxes as governor of a state that ranks number one in the nation in federal spending per resident ($13,950), even as it sits just 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434). That means all us taxpaying non-Alaskans spend $8,500 a year on each and every resident of Palin's paradise of rugged self-sufficiency. Not that this sworn enemy of taxes doesn't collect from her own: Alaska currently collects the most taxes per resident of any state in the nation.

The rest of Palin's speech was the same dog-whistle crap Republicans have been running on for decades. Palin's crack about a mayor being "like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities" testified to the Republicans' apparent belief that they can win elections till the end of time running against the Sixties. (They're probably right.) The incessant grousing about the media was likewise par for the course, red meat for those tens of millions of patriotic flag-waving Americans whose first instinct when things get rough is to whine like bitches and blame other people -reporters, the French, those ungrateful blacks soaking up tax money eating big prison meals, whomever -for their failures.

Add to this the usual lies about Democrats wanting to "forfeit" to our enemies abroad and coddle terrorists, and you had a very run-of-the-mill, almost boring Republican speech from a substance standpoint. What made it exceptional was its utter hypocrisy, its total disregard for reality, its absolute un-relation to the facts of our current political situation. After eight years of unprecedented corruption, incompetence, waste and greed, the party of Karl Rove understood that 50 million Americans would not demand solutions to any of these problems so long as they were given a new, new thing to beat their meat over.

Sarah Palin is that new, new thing, and in the end it won't matter that she's got an unmarried teenage kid with a bun in the oven. Of course, if the daughter of a black candidate like Barack Obama showed up at his convention with a five-month bump and some sideways-cap-wearing, junior-grade Curtis Jackson holding her hand, the defenders of Traditional Morality would be up in arms. But the thing about being in the reality-making business is that you don't need to worry much about vetting; there are no facts in your candidate's bio that cannot be ignored or overcome.

One of the most amusing things about the Palin nomination has been the reaction of horrified progressives. The Internet has been buzzing at full volume as would-be defenders of san-ity and reason pore over the governor's record in search of the Damning Facts.

My own telephone began ringing off the hook with calls from ex-Alaskans and friends of Alaskans determined to help get the "truth" about Sarah Palin into the major media. Pretty much anyone with an Internet connection knows by now that Palin was originally for the "Bridge to Nowhere" before she opposed it (she actually endorsed the plan in her 2006 gubernatorial campaign), that even after the project was defeated she kept the money, that she didn't actually sell the Alaska governor's state luxury jet on eBay but instead sold it at a $600,000 loss to a campaign contributor (who is now seeking $50,000 in taxpayer money to pay maintenance costs).

Then there are the salacious tales of Palin's swinging-meat-cleaver management style, many of which seem to have a common thread: In addition to being ensconced in a messy ethics investigation over her firing of the chief of the Alaska state troopers (dismissed after refusing to sack her sister's ex-husband), Palin also reportedly fired a key campaign aide for having an affair with a friend's wife. More ominously, as mayor of Wasilla, Palin tried to fire the town librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, after Emmons resisted pressure to censor books Palin found objectionable.

Then there's the God stuff: Palin belongs to a church whose pastor, Ed Kalnins, believes that all criticisms of George Bush "come from hell," and wondered aloud if people who voted for John Kerry could be saved. Kalnins, looming as the answer to Obama's Jeremiah Wright, claims that Alaska is going to be a "refuge state" for Christians in the last days, last days which he sometimes speaks of in the present tense. Palin herself has been captured on video mouthing the inevitable born-again idiocies, such as the idea that a recent oil pipeline deal was "God's will." She also described the Iraq War as a "task that is from God" and part of a heavenly "plan." She supports teaching creationism and "abstinence only" in public schools, opposes abortion even for victims of rape, denies the science behind global warming and attends a church that seeks to convert Jews and cure homosexuals.

All of which tells you about what you'd expect from a raise-the-base choice like Palin: She's a puffed-up dimwit with primitive religious beliefs who had to be educated as to the fact that the Constitution did not exactly envision government executives firing librarians. Judging from the importance progressive critics seem to attach to these revelations, you'd think that these were actually negatives in modern American politics. But Americans like politicians who hate books and see the face of Jesus in every tree stump. They like them stupid and mean and ignorant of the rules.

Which is why Palin has only seemed to grow in popularity as more and more of these revelations have come out. The same goes for the most damning aspect of her biography, her total lack of big-game experience. As governor of Alaska, Palin presides over a state whose entire population is barely the size of Memphis. This kind of thing might matter in a country that actually worried about whether its leader was prepared for his job -but not in America.

In America, it takes about two weeks in the limelight for the whole country to think you've been around for years. To a certain extent, this is why Obama is getting a pass on the same issue. He's been on TV every day for two years, and according to the standards of our instant-ramen culture, that's a lifetime of hands-on experience. It is worth noting that the same criticisms of Palin also hold true for two other candidates in this race, John McCain and Barack Obama.

As politicians, both men are more narrative than substance, with McCain rising to prominence on the back of his bio as a suffering war hero and Obama mostly playing the part of the long-lost, future-embracing liberal dreamboat not seen on the national stage since Bobby Kennedy died. If your stomach turns to read how Palin's Kawasaki 704 glasses are flying off the shelves in middle America, you have to accept that middle America probably feels the same way when it hears that Donatella Versace dedicated her collection to Obama during Milan Fashion Week. Or sees the throwing-panties-onstage-"I love you, Obama!" ritual at the Democratic nominee's town-hall appearances.

So, sure, Barack Obama might be every bit as much a slick piece of imageering as Sarah Palin. The difference is in what the image represents. The Obama image represents tolerance, intelligence, education, patience with the notion of compromise and negotiation, and a willingness to stare ugly facts right in the face, all qualities we're actually going to need in government if we're going to get out of this huge mess we're in.

Here's what Sarah Palin represents: being a fat fucking pig who pins "Country First" buttons on his man titties and chants "U-S-A! U-S-A!" at the top of his lungs while his kids live off credit cards and Saudis buy up all the mortgages in Kansas.

The truly disgusting thing about Sarah Palin isn't that she's totally unqualified, or a religious zealot, or married to a secessionist, or unable to educate her own daughter about sex, or a fake conservative who raised taxes and horked up earmark millions every chance she got. No, the most disgusting thing about her is what she says about us: that you can ram us in the ass for eight solid years, and we'll not only thank you for your trouble, we'll sign you up for eight more years, if only you promise to stroke us in the right spot for a few hours around election time.

Democracy doesn't require a whole lot of work of its citizens, but it requires some: It requires taking a good look outside once in a while, and considering the bad news and what it might mean, and making the occasional tough choice, and soberly taking stock of what your real interests are.

This is a very different thing from shopping, which involves passively letting sitcoms melt your brain all day long and then jumping straight into the TV screen to buy a Southern-Style Chicken Sandwich because the slob singing "I'm Lovin' It!" during the commercial break looks just like you. The joy of being a consumer is that it doesn't require thought, responsibility, self-awareness or shame: All you have to do is obey the first urge that gurgles up from your stomach. And then obey the next. And the next. And the next.

And when it comes time to vote, all you have to do is put your Country First -- just like that lady on TV who reminds you of your cousin. U-S-A, baby. U-S-A! U-S-A!

Matt Taibbi is a writer for Rolling Stone.

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

She's a puffed-up dimwit with primitive religious beliefs

Christian-bashing is chic. Too bad her wagon is hitched to John McStain, I'd vote for her just to piss off the pagans, atheists, agnostics, and muzzies.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-01   22:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: richard9151 (#0)

my goodness..is this scathing..i have to admit...an entertaining read though.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-02   1:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#1)

Christian-bashing is chic. Too bad her wagon is hitched to John McStain, I'd vote for her just to piss off the pagans, atheists, agnostics, and muzzies.

And you'd be proving our opinions of you. Specifically that you value ignorance.

Rhino369  posted on  2008-10-02   2:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#1)

Christian-bashing is chic. Too bad her wagon is hitched to John McStain, I'd vote for her just to piss off the pagans, atheists, agnostics, and muzzies.

Not that I vote, but I'm actually with you here, X-15. She has pissed of so many of the right people, there has to be some merit to her. I'd enjoy seeing her be herself and punch giant holes in the self professed "proud Zionist" Joe Biden tonight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   7:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: richard9151 (#0)

The Obama image represents tolerance, intelligence, education, patience with the notion of compromise and negotiation, and a willingness to stare ugly facts right in the face, all qualities we're actually going to need in government if we're going to get out of this huge mess we're in.

Uh, umm, uhh, yeah, whatever!

I am voting for Baldwin I think, but am strongly considering Cynthia McKinney. Not becasue I agree with her platform, but becasue she is the ONLY one running that dares to question the story the government told us about 9/11. For that reason alone she gets my respect.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-02   8:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

She has pissed of so many of the right people, there has to be some merit to her.

They are just pissed because she looks better than them.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-02   8:13:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: RickyJ (#6)

Physical Beauty is skin deep, and something shallow Republicans and Conservatives obsess on.

As shallow, not even skin deep smart little old you proves once again with your love of the trophy VP candidate the man with the trophy wife has chosen for his running mate.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-02   8:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

Here's a funny to start your day.

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   8:34:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

Physical Beauty is skin deep, and something shallow Republicans and Conservatives obsess on.

As is the color brown to the multiculturist rot among us.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   8:56:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

Physical Beauty is skin deep, and something shallow Republicans and Conservatives obsess on.

As do tree hugging liberal leftists like little old you are doing with Obama.

A once free nation established through Revolution is now forbidden from questioning the authorities without fear of being defamed, renditioned or murdered.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-02   9:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: angle (#8)

Heh, thanks. That is a day cheering map, and one that reflects the way her mind resonates.

She has a tough position here as McFossil is going down in flames, as should surprise no one. It will be interesting to see how she does, as she is skilled in doing political debates.

Her biggest problem will be of course the depth of her knowledge.

Sarah Palin's debate skill is her lipstick, her ignorance is her pig. They will look lovely and go well together tonight.

I am more worried about Joe's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory then the Sarah effect however, and I hope he sticks to script.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-02   10:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: richard9151 (#0)

So, sure, Barack Obama might be every bit as much a slick piece of imageering as Sarah Palin. The difference is in what the image represents. The Obama image represents tolerance, intelligence, education, patience with the notion of compromise and negotiation, and a willingness to stare ugly facts right in the face, all qualities we're actually going to need in government if we're going to get out of this huge mess we're in.

Note carefully.

"The Obama image represents..."

Even the author admits that Obama is a marketing campaign and if there is a reference to an "image" here it is an admission that there is an empty suit behind it.

So let's look at reality.

"Tolerance" - right. Votes far left 100% of the time. That is an unwillingness to come to the table to work out a compromise. "Screw you!" might be another way to describe the 'tolerance' that Obama has for others given his voting record.

"Intelligence" - when Obama is off the teleprompter, he babbles worse than Palin did with Couric.

"Education" - depends on whether or not he was an Affirmative Action recipient or not. We know that Harvard cooked the grades while he was there and got a bad reputation for it they are just now trying to crawl out of. When Obama was at Harvard law, more than 80% of Law School grads graduated "With Honors".

"Patience with the notion of negotiation" - His voting record says otherwise.

"Willingness to stare ugly facts in the face" - THAT is the one bit of truth in this paragraph.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-10-02   10:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#10)

"As do tree hugging liberal leftists..."

Hey, in that respect, I've paid the dues to be able to boast of being a branch manager in that regard,noone, *wink* tree sitting with it's bark of the tree and shouted rhetoric between tree and ground didn't hurt in helping me grow good instincts and character politically.

January 20th next year is a beginning as well as a renewal of this country and what it is supposed to stand for. Obama has the best chance of the two to give us a future that sees the United States strong through the might of our principles, instead of by how well we do things military.

That is why I support him, that is part of why I really like this guy.

He is going to win, so we will see if I am right or wrong in my prognostications here. Though, I do not believe I will be proven wrong. And I feel that way strongly, right through to my bone marrow.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-02   10:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret Mike (#11)

I think Palin will have an earpiece reminding her what to say, much like Bush.

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   10:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: angle (#14)

I could be conned into voting for Palin cause she is a gurl.. hehehehe

Olde men are easily persuaded.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   10:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#2)

my goodness..is this scathing..i have to admit...an entertaining read though.

Oh, it is that, but the part I found most intriguing is this;

So, sure, Barack Obama might be every bit as much a slick piece of imageering as Sarah Palin.

Quite frankly, something similiar could be, and should be, written about Biden, McCain, and Obama. What if someone were to put the known facts about McCain and his ties to organized crime on the tele? Can you see that happening?

I still do not understand the people who get so absorbed is such imageering that it controlls their life, and, permits them to choose the lessor or two evils.

Totally beyond me.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-02   10:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#15)

I could be conned into voting for Palin cause she is a gurl..

That's your cross to bear. Throw away your integrity on a pin up model. Shame on you.

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   10:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: angle (#17)

I know, I am cheap.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   10:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

Whatever. I don't doubt you are voting for McCain Palin.

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   10:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mirage, christine, all, *Bible facts* (#12)

So, sure, Barack Obama might be every bit as much a slick piece of imageering as Sarah Palin.

Yep. But that is all it takes to make people choose the lessor of two evils. I do not 'get it' and I do not wish to get it. Forevermore. I will follow the Bible;

John 15:19; If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you.

What else are we told?

John 18:36; Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world, my attendents would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source."

And is that the end of it? Have you somehow come up with the power to oppose evil?

1 John 5:19; We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the (power of the) wicked one.

I really fail to see what is so hard to understand about what is going on, or, what our role in this is. The Bible is VERY clear on the subject, for those who care to listen to Jehovah God, instead of their own earthly desires.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-10-02   11:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

He is going to win, so we will see if I am right or wrong in my prognostications here. Though, I do not believe I will be proven wrong.

And I feel that way strongly,

Right off, we don't know who's going to win, but we do know who's going to lose. America is going to lose.

I believe you when you say you feel that way .. I don't think you can articulate the basis for your feelings as Obama is committed to the same bullshit McCain is and feelings are not a basis for deciding who should run America, feelings are emotional not logical.

A once free nation established through Revolution is now forbidden from questioning the authorities without fear of being defamed, renditioned or murdered.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-02   11:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: X-15 (#1) (Edited)

Christian-bashing is chic. Too bad her wagon is hitched to John McStain, I'd vote for her just to piss off the pagans, atheists, agnostics, and muzzies.

Would you vote for John Hagee just to piss off "pagans, atheists, agnostics, and muzzies?" Palin's rapture cult religion and Christian Zionist politics are the same as Hagee's.

Come to think of it, her views are not so different from George W. Bush's. Which makes me wonder why you Palin fans don't like Bush to begin with.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-02   11:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#4) (Edited)

She has pissed of so many of the right people, there has to be some merit to her. I'd enjoy seeing her be herself and punch giant holes in the self professed "proud Zionist" Joe Biden tonight.

Yeah, just like there was "merit" to George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove. In case you didn't notice, Caribou Barbie is an even prouder Zionist.

And who are these "right people" that she pissed off? From what I've seen, people like Joe Lieberman and Bill Kristol just love her "War in Eye-rack is a task from God" crap.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-02   11:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: richard9151 (#0)

a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV

She's perfect, then.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-10-02   13:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

skin deep,

I've been thinking of coining a new term for those of us obsessed with the melanin thingie.

Racists sounds much too pejorative and old fashioned and may hurt their feelings.

Epidermialists?

Melaninists?

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-10-02   13:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: swarthyguy (#24) (Edited)

a fraud, she's the tawdriest, most half-assed fraud imaginable, 20 floors below the lowest common denominator, a character too dumb even for daytime TV

She's perfect, then.

Some pundits just dont get it. Voters go for those they can identify with. Sarah's ignorance is a political asset, not a liability.

The voters who go home and watch professional wrestling or Dancing With the Stars want somebody who talks at their level. They don't want to hear about hedge funds, shiites or sunnis, Georgians and Ossetians, they want to hear about pitbulls, lipstick, barracudas, and "tasks from God." Caribou Barbie gives them what they want in a candidate - someone just like them.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-02   13:45:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#23)

there has to be some merit to her. I'd enjoy seeing her be herself and punch giant holes in the self professed "proud Zionist" Joe Biden tonight

I think the closet McPalinites are ready to explode.

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   13:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#27)

bump to the above

better rethink who's holding what position

I don't want you to be disillusioned when you see that some of the McCainites ran out the Obamaphiles under the guise of "supportive of no one within the system", "disparage all of them", "I do like Palin as a gurl" blah blah...

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   13:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike (#7) (Edited)

the man with the trophy wife has chosen for his running mate.

Make that an aging trophy wife. By 2010 and after about a two liter dose of Botox, she'll look like another Nancy Reagan. Or, with enough Botox, her face might fall off entirely.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-02   13:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#26)

It's hard to find moose meat in Boston, though they had to shoot one about 50 miles away recently.

I'm trying to urge venison as a substitute for the See Who Puts their foot in their mouth shindig tonight. But, looks like healthy EuroBistro type delicacies instead. Well, maybe the LiquorMart may have AlaskanBrewery products available.

Or, in a spirit of bipartisanship, there's a Messiah beer, but never had it though. Perhaps TsingTao, as a tribute to the bailout.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-10-02   13:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#22)

Would you vote for John Hagee just to piss off "pagans, atheists, agnostics, and muzzies?" Palin's rapture cult religion and Christian Zionist politics are the same as Hagee's.

Come to think of it, her views are not so different from George W. Bush's. Which makes me wonder why you Palin fans don't like Bush to begin with.

So, you're condemning ALL of Christianity?? You can't put all Christians in the same box, too much variety amongst the various denominations for that. I wouldn't cross the street to see Hagee "preach" his flawed doctrinal interpretation of the Bible.

Bush is no Christian, he only said he was prior to the 2000 election to fool the Republicans. He hasn't been seen with the Oversized Clinton Bible nor has he alluded to his "faith" other than to embrace the Zionists and call Islam a "religion of peace" every time those death-cultists cut off a head.

I'll take Sarah Palin any day, she's a decent person and I would love to have her and her family as my neighbors.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   13:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: richard9151, All (#0)

Even the Zarconians from Jupiter are enthralled with Sarah Palin according to their latest crop circles:

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   14:00:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rhino369 (#3)

And you'd be proving our opinions of you. Specifically that you value ignorance.

Shout-out to Rhino369:

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   14:02:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: X-15 (#31)

Palin subscribes to the same Christian Zionist crap as Hagee, in case you missed her statements about standing by Israel and stopping those "Eye- raneeans". And if you don't see the similarity between Bush saying that God told him to invade Iraq and Palin calling the war in Iraq "a task from God," I don't think anything I can say will convince you.

Bottom line is, Palin is George W. Bush in a skirt. And to top it off, she's even more ignorant about basic economics and geopolitics than he is.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-02   14:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Rupert_Pupkin, All (#34)

don't think anything I can say will convince you.

I've made up my mind, I have to vote for McCain/Palin to defeat Obummer. These are serious times and half-measures of throwing away my vote on a third-party candidate just don't cut it. Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin haven't mounted a decent offense that would even impress a banana-republic electorate.

I'M VOTING FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!!!!

If Congress can spin on a dime then so can I, it's the anarchist in me coming out!!! ;-)

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   14:07:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: X-15 (#35)

I've made up my mind, I have to vote for McCain/Palin to defeat Obummer. These are serious times and half-measures of throwing away my vote on a third-party candidate just don't cut it. Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin haven't mounted a decent offense that would even impress a banana-republic electorate.

That's the same mindset that voted for Bush in 2000: "We have to stop Gore, Bush/Cheney is our only hope."

A lot of good that did us!

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-02   14:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, lodwick, christine, Cynicom, Tauzero, richard9151 (#4) (Edited)

She has pissed of so many of the right people, there has to be some merit to her. I'd enjoy seeing her be herself and punch giant holes in the self professed "proud Zionist" Joe Biden tonight.

Here are a few reasons to consider Obama instead of McCain if you were forced by electric cattle prods to vote for one or the other:

  1. Jews are claiming the conservative movement for their own now. Any support we lend to it hurts our cause directly.
  2. Jimmy Carter, impartial peace negotiator in the Mideast and often labeled "antisemitic" by the lobby, supports Obama.
  3. The Trilateralists appear to be globalists with an incidental interest in Israel rather than globalists with a primary focus on Israel.
  4. Obama isn't an Evangelical Christian Zionist the way Palin is. His visits to AIPAC have been sincere in a practical sense, but not quite as zealous as McCain's.
  5. We're in corporatist kleptocracy with a Zionist bent. Neither candidate wants to improve that situation. But Obama at least pretends to care about the little guy, albeit not so much the rural one with guns and a pickup truck. But lots of little guys, anyway.
  6. Brzezinski may have a Swiss Jewess for a wife, but he's not Kissinger.
  7. Carter reduced funding to the intelligence services and military; perhaps Obama might, as well. These are a bigger threat to our freedoms than losing the second amendment would be, if Biden has his way. (I maintain that we've lost it already, but that's another topic.)
  8. Pro-Israel people are supporting McCain and Palin almost unanimously. How can we ignore this? Simply, we must not.
  9. Last and not least, McCain is part of the GOP cabal that overtook DC when Bush II stole the election. It's probably a good idea to let the other traitors sit on top for a while. We might be able to catch our breath and figure out a plan for what to do next.
I don't see Obama as more of a natural enemy than McCain. I see McCain as being Bush III2 and that worries me much more than Obama the magic negro.

In debating our situation with people who call themselves "conservatives" and plan to vote for McCain, I have come to believe that the Christian Zionist right and the Wall Street Journal free traitors are the real threat. We need to tear down their grip on the conservative movement and take it back. Having them lose an election is one way to get started on that project.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   19:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: richard9151 (#20)

I really fail to see what is so hard to understand about what is going on, or, what our role in this is. The Bible is VERY clear on the subject, for those who care to listen to Jehovah God, instead of their own earthly desires.

Like the Jehovah's Witnesses who have so far been -uh- COMPLETELY WRONG about the Second Coming, you run the risk of being wrong as well.

Remember, Christ said he would come like a thief in the night and no man knows the hour of his coming.

Therefore, any attempt to try and work that one out means you don't trust Jesus or your Bible and have no faith whatsoever.

*I* know what is going on and I know what MY role is.

Do you?

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-10-02   19:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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