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Title: Live VP Debate Thread October 2nd
Source: rncnyc2004.blogspot.com
URL Source: http://mms://rx-wes-sea150.rbn.com/ ... cspan/cspan/wmlive/cspan1v.asf
Published: Oct 2, 2008
Author: rncnyc2004.blogspot.com
Post Date: 2008-10-02 19:36:17 by buckeye
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Views: 3271
Comments: 219

Dennis Kucinich railing against the bailout bill RIGHT NOW on this channel, which seem to be where the debate will be. From rncnyc2004.blogspot.com/2...al-candidates-debate.html

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#131. To: All (#130)

A Ron Paul voter calls and says everyone's lying.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: buckeye (#116)

every Republican President going back to and including Reagan hasn't been what they seemed.

Boy, you have a serious screw loose

Reagan was the last honest President we had. Do you remember the "Firearms owners protect act" Educate yourself, you look like a fool to those who have.

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: bluegrass (#124)

Few people expect McKooK to win.

Black America will not elect him but white guilters will. It really makes no difference, except the race part, Obummer was created for a purpose. McKooK has always been with us.

No matter what loser wins, we lose.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: buckeye (#123)

He's a typical sympath Goy, and apparently married to a Jew, and therefore possibly tied to their culture by wedlock.

How do you explain the purple finger?


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Flintlock (#132)

I get a kick out of people like you. But I'm getting tired of it at the same time. You're not free. Face it buddy.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: bluegrass (#134)

He didn't need Iraqi grandparents to stick his finger in dye.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: nikki (#121)

You're welcome.

Beaver's First and Ten from there own 30 after holding Utah to mid-field.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   23:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Cynicom, christine (#122)

That is the ...ONLY... long shot possibility that is on the positive side.

Politics is a dirty business and the odds of Palin being out of the mold are slim to none.

After all that bullshit about being against government. hypo is a better moniker than cyni.

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   23:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: buckeye, Cynicom (#126)

Also, remember that she's a hunter. She pulls the trigger and kills large critters, something that practically nobody in D.C. does these days. When you hunt, you have a different mindset than non-hunters do. I'll take pretty much any hunter over the majority of non-hunters.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   23:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Cynicom (#133)

Black America will not elect him but white guilters will.

Spoken like a bitter, small town, gun rubbing rube :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   23:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: angle, Cynicom (#138)

You misunderstand Cynicom. A part of him will always be a political wonk. He likes politics and is fascinated by what makes it work. That's separate from his values.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: X-15 (#139)

I'll take pretty much any hunter over the majority of non-hunters.

Sucker.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: nikki, buckeye (#129)

Interesting. I thought the pic was a PR stunt. I didn't realize he actually voted in that election.

Ack and pffft! My bad...

I can't back up that he voted. I do recall coming across evidence about three years ago that he has Jewish ancestry which is what made me make the link back then.

Nonetheless, even as an op, it was about as big a buttkissing of Neocon policy as he could do.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

I honestly have no idea why Palin is showing up with Gwen Ifill as moderator.

My wife says (I didn't watch) that she disproportionately gave Biden the last word, but that it didn't matter. She did good.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-02   23:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: bluegrass, Cynicom (#143)

There's a lot of cheap disinformation on the antisemite web. Don't fall for it.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: nikki (#137)

After a punt Utah goes 3 and out and the Beavers have the Ball at their own 40 1st and 10.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   23:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: buckeye (#135)

You're not free. Face it buddy.

Wrong again

But then, I had to work at it, plan, take risks, eat some baloney sandwiches, learn new languages, and wear out more than one passport.

It doesn't get any freer than me

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Tauzero (#144)

I watched football, but I understand the same thing. Too bad she has McCain the open border freak as an anchor.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   23:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Flintlock (#147)

If you think you're free, I don't want anything to do with you.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Jethro Tull (#140)

Spoken like a bitter, small town, gun rubbing rube :P

That barb by Obummer riled us low class, white trash Americans.

People decry racism yet he was allowed to demean with impunity. Thats ok, we understand, but I guarantee the cuzins that vote will recall what that SOB said.

A few more political signs have gone up, all McKooK, not a one Obummer.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Original_Intent (#137)

Beaver's First and Ten from there own 30 after holding Utah to mid-field.

Good job. Let's go.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: angle (#138)

Politics is a dirty business and the odds of Palin being out of the mold are slim to none.

After all that bullshit about being against government. hypo is a better moniker than cyni

angle, huh? what is hypocritical about what Cyni wrote there? you read support of government?

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christine  posted on  2008-10-02   23:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Original_Intent (#146)

After a punt Utah goes 3 and out and the Beavers have the Ball at their own 40 1st and 10.

Okay, they lost it, got it back and now on the 40. Hang on to it, and push down the field. Tell them.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: bluegrass (#143)

Ack and pffft! My bad...

I can't back up that he voted. I do recall coming across evidence about three years ago that he has Jewish ancestry which is what made me make the link back then.

Nonetheless, even as an op, it was about as big a buttkissing of Neocon policy as he could do.

Thanks for clearing that up. Agreed but refined. Buttkissing op! Now I don't feel bad about my song. ;)

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: buckeye, Cynicom (#145)

There's a lot of cheap disinformation on the antisemite web. Don't fall for it.

I tend to operate by making connections based on what I've learned and then seeing if I can back it up. That was a poorly remembered connection.

Though I do recall his having Jewish ancestry. His traveling to Israel right before the '73 war and meeting Golda Meir isn't the act of a simple shabbos goy.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: bluegrass (#155)

I don't think he's Jewish at all, but he might tend to act like it due to being married to one. Word to the wise.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: angle (#138)

After all that bullshit about being against government. hypo is a better moniker than cyni.

One has to watch, read and digest all of what is occurring without letting their bias blind them to all facets of what is before us.

For whatever reason, some cannot accept that the government is the enemy and professional politicians are part and parcel of the system.

I wont be voting in November, that is my small token of defiance. There is no one available that is not part of the system.

Anyone that wishes to vote is free to do so.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: christine (#156)

Disgusting realization about the CSPAN phone moderator: she dwells on welfare queens ad nauseum but Ron Paul supporters call up and she wants to hustle them off as quickly as possible.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: buckeye (#149)

If you think you're free

I AM free

I don't want anything to do with you.

Ditto, you seem like a confused loser

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: buckeye (#156) (Edited)

I don't think he's Jewish at all, but he might tend to act like it due to being married to one. Word to the wise.

Twice the son of hell and all that? : )

I could have shortened my previous post by saying that I don't believe everything I think.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: Flintlock (#159)

Come back and exchange words with me when you've stopped living in a fantasy world. You're a waste of my time at this point.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: bluegrass, Cynicom (#160)

Cyni believed it, which is why I responded to you on it.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: buckeye (#0)

If McCain is elected his tax plan along with his desire to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on immoral and unnecessary wars would do virtually nothing for the working class (it would hurt the country overall substantially more than the bush economic/war package has) but it would substantially benefit those who have substantially benefitted from the tax cuts of the past 6 years. The country's financial position would collapse within 2 years of him taking office.

I can't stand either candidate but if push comes to shove and I were asked which tax/economic plan I would be more willing to see come to fruition it would be the non-neocon tax/economic plan.

In 2009, the fully-phased-in McCain tax plan would, on average, provide a tax cut equal to 2.1 percent of after-tax income, or $1,230 (table 6). The distribution of benefits from his plan would be regressive. Households in the bottom quintile of the cash income distribution would receive an average tax cut of just 0.2 percent of income ($21) and those in the middle fifth of the income distribution would receive an average cut equal to 0.8 percent of income ($325). Households in the top quintile, however, would get an average tax cut of 3.2 percent of income ($6,498). For those in the upper portion of the top quintile, the decreases would be significantly larger. Taxpayers in the top 1 percent of the population would see their taxes fall by an average of 3.7 percent of income or almost $50,000 and the richest 1 in 1,000 would see an average tax cut of more than $290,000 or 4.7 percent of income.

From the CTJ.

www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_tax_reform.htm

www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Tax_Reform.htm

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-02   23:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: nikki (#153)

They got it down to the 26 and then had to take a Field Goal which missed.

Still 21-20 Beavers.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   23:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#163)

McCain is Bush III2. We couldn't be more stupid than to vote for McCain. But millions, and millions, and millions will. Conservative Christian Zionists are the core threat to our liberty today.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Original_Intent (#164)

They got it down to the 26 and then had to take a Field Goal which missed.

Dam!

Still 21-20 Beavers. 3Q?

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: buckeye (#161)

You're a waste of my time at this point.

With all the time you spent posting, you see to have plenty of time to waste. Or do you get paid for it? (naw, nobody would pay you)

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: buckeye (#165)

millions will.

Sadly it may come down to race that decides the election.

Blacks voting for a man because of color and whites the opposite.

I do not like to think of the outcome, regardless of who "wins".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: buckeye, Cynicom (#162)

I hear ya. I don't fumble it much but they're doozies when I do.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Cynicom (#168)

The TV tells us what to do, and most dutifully follow its lead. I see how this works. Who controls the TV controls the world.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: buckeye (#165)

Some of the members of my church still buy into the neocon lies and BS. Yesterday evening at Bible study I asked a simple question. I said I don't expect anybody to answer but to just think about the question.

As Christians we are anti-abortion. Some want to go as far as incarcerating and executing women who have abortions or lock them up for life as well as the doctors who perform the abortion. (I'm not that fanatical about revenge like some are). We all agreed that abortion is a sin and that life does begin before birth.

Then I asked what is a very simple question. Why do you call abortion murder, a sin, a crime and call for, in some cases, very severe punishment and yet when tens of thousands of babies and children are killed because of American bombs, bullets and war mongering politicians you casually refer to that as "collateral damage"?

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-02   23:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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