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Title: Live VP Debate Thread October 2nd
Source: rncnyc2004.blogspot.com
URL Source: http://mms://rx-wes-sea150.rbn.com/ ... cspan/cspan/wmlive/cspan1v.asf
Published: Oct 2, 2008
Author: rncnyc2004.blogspot.com
Post Date: 2008-10-02 19:36:17 by buckeye
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Views: 2122
Comments: 219

Dennis Kucinich railing against the bailout bill RIGHT NOW on this channel, which seem to be where the debate will be. From rncnyc2004.blogspot.com/2...al-candidates-debate.html

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#1. To: All (#0)

Dennis Kucinich: there is an eagle in the House chamber. It has two wings. Let it soar again on Friday, as it did on Monday. Yielding to Brad Sherman from California. Praising Marcy Kapture.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   19:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

Sherman saying people are now being PAID to make pro-bailout calls to congress.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   19:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

Three Nobel laureate economists signed a letter of economists saying "take time." Panic is what's driving the bill as it stands now. Talk of a Skeptics Caucus.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   19:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

1/2 of all money going to foreign investors who made bad decisions.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   19:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#4)

Brad Sherman continues: the only thing needed is to guarantee commercial, REGULATED American banks. Nothing more.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   19:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#5)

Kaptur up.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   19:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#0)

bradsherman.house.gov/081001comprehensive_article.pdf - apparent Brad Sherman 'blue paper' - possibly anyway. He passed something, possibly this, out to all members of congress to show what was wrong with the bill under consideration.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#7)

Kaptur mentioning the foreign debt aspect of this problem. Forward debt proposed to help back debt, which she says is a bad idea. We students of G. Edward Griffin know what she means. Perhaps she has more to learn.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#8)

Kaptur: whatever they're doing, fixing credit default swaps, etc... TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT WE'RE PLANNING.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#5) (Edited)

Brad Sherman back up. Only way we can pass this bill is if members and the people are kept in panic. Martial law suggested as a means to panic the people into buying into the bill. Wrong approach! Hostage situation. 401k vs. 700b in unmarked bills! AMT tax must be passed. Senate refuses, second hostage situation.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeye (#10)

I honestly have no idea why Palin is showing up with Gwen Ifill as moderator. Why not Al Sharpton? Tawana Brawley? Jesse Jackson? Anyone who considers this selection/debate serious is insane. The system needs to be destroyed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   20:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#10)

Sherman: why we can't tax the firms being bailed out: they're going out of business. Toxic assets are being marketed to the government, and might not be worth any tax anyhow. Shell companies are being bailed out!

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

It's all about empowerment.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeye (#0)

The Beavers Game is much more important than a faux debate between Bidet and Sarahcuda.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   20:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#14)

I will make no argument there.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeye (#15)

Yup, the Beavers have it all on the line for the second week running. Last week they picked off #1 USC and this week they have to beat Utah to prove that it wasn't a fluke. If the same Beaver defense shows up as last week the Utes are in for a long night.

It should be interesting either way. Two very quick defenses and powerful running offenses. I think the Beavers have an edge in the Passing department.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   20:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent (#16)

the Beavers

Dam.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   20:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: All (#15)

Lindsey Graham and Holy Joe up front possibly with Alan Cranston of Missouri. Yuk yuk. John Danforth of Missouri there, too.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nikki (#17)

Was that a Beaver Dam?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   20:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#14)

I'm watching sPitt and So. Fla at the present, but I am a HUGE fan of the Beavers. I have no idea how we (PSU) slapped them around silly, only for them to bitch slap USC. Love CFB!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   20:29:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

The system needs to be destroyed.

Both candidacies are lurching us toward such. One would be a bit better at it than the other.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeye (#21)

I like Palin and I do hope she kicks Biden in the onions. That said, the top half of her ticket is so lame that's it's a joke. Vote for the colored guy and help tumble the nation into a race war. It's our only hope :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   20:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

It's hard to say if either GOP or DNC outcomes could trigger such, and I doubt it in either case. I may not vote at all this year, but I'm leaning toward Nader or Baldwin. I'm interested in the four issues uniting the third party candidates: balanced budget, civil liberties/privacy, bringing the troops home, and reforming/ending the fed. A big third party turnout will send a bigger message than helping either one of these mainstream parties.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeye (#23)

REAL TIME ONLINE STREAMING DEBATE COVERAGE C-SPAN www.c-span.org/politics/c-span-debate-cam.aspx

real-debt-elimination

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-10-02   20:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeye (#23)

The only party I'd consider ever working/voting for is an American Nationalist party. None exist at the present, but perhaps in time when things grow more acute, one will spring up.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   20:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

I like the sound of an ANP.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#25)

The 'American Nationalist Party' home page has a blurb supporting Tom Tancredo. This is not the kind of nationalism you have in mind.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   20:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeye (#27)

Konichiwa.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-02   20:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)

Paul cant win.

Had one left.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   20:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

Coming up on Kick-Off.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   20:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#28)

Eh?

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:01:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#29)

We're all winners, my friend. Just think about it. What are the odds to be born human in a time where you can live a more or less healthy, trouble-free life.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-02   21:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeye (#23) (Edited)

I'm leaning toward Nader or Baldwin.

Write in Ahmadinejad. It's the only real protest vote that would matter.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   21:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: All (#31)

Biden praises his efforts to put American effort into Yugoslavia/Bosnia.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, All (#32)

Surely you jest. Surely.

Now yall watch the "debate". geeezzzz

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   21:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#35)

Would you rather be a Japanese beetle? Or an earthworm?

Surely you'd rather be a U.S.American.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-02   21:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#36)

Japanese beetle.

I rather enjoyed my stay in Japan. I refuse to tell you why.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   21:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#37)

Hmmmm... I'm out of Cognac.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-02   21:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: All (#38) (Edited)

Sarah did pretty good so far but she's beginning to unwind and throwing cliches volleys.

Can't believe it. She said "drill baby, drill".

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-02   21:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#39)

sPitt is beating #10 So. Fl by 10 points at halftime. So much for the bookies.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   21:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#39)

Sounded good to me.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: buckeye (#0)

clean coal/ carbon emissions?

Obama is a member of the Chicago Climate Exchange where they trade carbon emmission vouchers

It was a sweetheart deal, he was offered his "seat" (membership) for much less than the exchange sells them for now

Nice trade Monkey Boy, nice trade

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   21:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Flintlock (#42)

Palin thinks we can impact global warming with human means. She's a monkey woman too.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeye (#43)

Palin missed a great chance to expose Biden's ignorance of the Constitution.

She should have demanded Article, Section, and line for gay marriage.

The best one can come up with is the contract clause, but marriage is a religious matter protected by the First Amendment.....now THAT would have been a good spat.

But it looks like they're starting to throw mud at each other. Should be entertaining from here on out. Biden is about to start chewing on his boots.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-10-02   21:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: bluegrass (#43)

Ahmadinejad off the hook temporarily, as per Biden! Nuclear attack to come from Afghanistan and the mountains of Pakistan. (Taking notes.)

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: bluegrass, nikki (#45)

Ahmadinejad insane, says Palin!

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: buckeye (#45)

Sarah just put Ahma back on the hook :)

Israel is in peril!!!! What are we gonna do????

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-02   21:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mirage (#44)

Biden just outlined the Obama doctrine in his blah blah about Pakistan and Afghanistan. Oddly, it sounded just like a Neocon rant.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   21:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: mirage (#44)

She should have demanded Article, Section, and line for gay marriage.

The Constitution is like garlic to vampires when you're dealing with a NeoCon. She'd rather not even bring it up.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeye (#0)

Lovely, Palin and Biden arguing over where we should drop more bombs.

Palin = Bomb Iran and Iraq

Biden = Bomb Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan

See? They do have some common ground.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-10-02   21:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#50)

They belong in each other's cabinets. They'd "restrain" each other.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeye (#45)

Nuclear attack to come from Afghanistan and the mountains of Pakistan. (Taking notes.)

It sounds like they'll be even worse places to be next year.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   21:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: bluegrass (#52)

Palin steps into the topic of Holocash.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: All (#53)

Joe Biden is best friend to Israel in the Senate!

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeye (#46)

No greater friend than Israel...no 2nd holocost....Israel...Israel...Hezbollah....

They both sound the same. It's just that Biden knows who Hezbollah is.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   21:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: All (#54)

Biden would have used NATO (ergo American) troops in northern Israel to keep Hezbolah out.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: buckeye (#49)

The Constitution is like garlic to vampires when you're dealing with a NeoCon. She'd rather not even bring it up.

Sigh, too true.

But it seems Biden has become quite the neocon too.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-10-02   21:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mirage (#57)

Biden apparently has always known which side the cream cheese sticks to the matza.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:56:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: buckeye (#58)

Palin: invasions are for the kids.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   21:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: bluegrass (#59)

Biden: 3 weeks spending in Iraq more than seven years in Afghanistan. We can see why: Iraq is closer to Israel.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   21:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: bluegrass (#59)

invasions are for the kids.

Nucular, fer sure

CadetD  posted on  2008-10-02   22:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: buckeye (#60)

Has Palin used the word 'surge' or the word 'maverick' more often?


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   22:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: bluegrass (#62)

Maverick at least once. Nukular several times. I think Biden talked about nuclear plants.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: CadetD (#61)

I would love to hear one of these aholes talk about America rather than trying to pretend that they understand Asia.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   22:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: All (#63)

Biden on Darfur: if we were successful, intervention would be supported by Americans. (Americans were supportive of Bosnia... riiiiight.)

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:02:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: bluegrass (#64)

...talk about America...

They already control the domestic realm of the empire. Now they're ready to move on to the edges. Get my drift?

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeye (#63)


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   22:06:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: buckeye (#65)

Biden on Darfur: if we were successful, intervention would be supported by Americans. (Americans were supportive of Bosnia... riiiiight.)

He did say one truth. "Americans can tolerate success."

We like our wars where we bomb the other side from 30,000 feet and suffer no losses of our own.

Not exactly what I would call the moral high ground.

(My props to the anti-war folks who protested every war from Bosnia, to Iraq and Afghanistan, at least you stick to your principles.)

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-10-02   22:06:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: buckeye (#66)

They already control the domestic realm of the empire.

I think they're in for a surprise.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   22:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: bluegrass (#64)

trying to pretend that they understand Asia

Truly--it's no wonder the average American is so confused, listening to the "presentation" given here tonight. OY

CadetD  posted on  2008-10-02   22:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: bluegrass (#69)

Promise?

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: All (#71)

Gwen: 'What if Obama is replaced by Biden.' Huh.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: All (#72)

Palin: McCain wants healthy debate, doesn't require her to check her opinions at the door. Riiiiiiiiight. Just try bringing up illegal immigration, baby. Oh? You agree with McCain? No problem.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: CadetD (#70)

it's no wonder the average American is so confused, listening to the "presentation" given here tonight.

Confusion might be the goal of the producers. : )


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   22:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: bluegrass (#74)

Confusion

Shucks, say it ain't so, Joe!

CadetD  posted on  2008-10-02   22:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: buckeye (#71)

Promise...with not a weapon used.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   22:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: CadetD (#75)

Oh oh, Palin wants a boost for NCLB. Watch out, when Christian Zionists start talking about school.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: CadetD (#75)

Hate ta break it to ya.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   22:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: bluegrass (#78)

I'm not confused. The middle class was better off with Dems in the white house in the 1990s, as long as they didn't question the new world order. For those, it was sniper bullets, tanks, and incineration.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Vote for the colored guy and help tumble the nation into a race war. It's our only hope :P

This could be more truth than fiction.

I'm going with .45ACP instead of their silly 9mm.

God, it's really getting crazy here.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-10-02   22:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: bluegrass (#67)

That picture is hilarious. It's a country song waiting to happen.

Honey I was smiling at my finger,
with a fern wrapped heart wreath on my wall,
Everybody thinkin' I was happy,
Taken pictures of my finger and all.

Take a closer look at me my darlin',
Nice blue suit and snappy vest
It's fun and all, I'm having a ball,
but did you notice my snappy vest?

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   22:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: mirage (#80)

Palin claims the VP position is flexible in the Constitution. She brought it up! Biden: Article I defines the role. Executive branch encompasses the VP. (Bam!)

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: buckeye (#43)

I want to make sure Monkey Boy Obama never goes hungry....his favorite food

Where do I send them?

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   22:19:31 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: buckeye (#82)

Palin claims the VP position is flexible in the Constitution.

You pathetic idiot. She was referring to the old LBJ quote

"The vice presidency isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit"

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   22:21:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: everybody (#83)

i just got home. who's winning?

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-02   22:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#85)

I say Biden is winning as a populist, but America is losing, ultimately. Again.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: christine (#85)

Palin had a few of those 'moments' but nothing like what she gave Couric. Other than that... pretty boring.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-02   22:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Flintlock (#84)

Palin talking about fighting for freedom and saying McCain fought for 'you' evidently meaning freedom. I guess that's why McCain has been supportive of every tyrannical passing measure in Congress since 9/11. Pure sleaze. Wicked, maniacal sleaze.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: christine (#85)

i just got home. who's winning?

Almost every pundit that I've heard in the last two days, in their dilligent effort to help Biden 'know his bounds' in dealing with a WOMAN, said, don't talk down to her, and SMILE alot.

He looks like a grinning fool when she is speaking. I rather he forget all that phony stuff.

Palin, has been well prepped dontchaknow, darn right, heckuva thing, me'n'joe6pack and us mainstreeters. You you eastcoaster you.

Joe looks to be sweating a bit, Palin firin' back with, let's go back to this and your voting record and here's my record in AlaskAH!

She's sharp but nervous and wants the job, he's dull, sweaty, and on defense.

Some smart dancework on jobs for Americans here and there.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   22:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: buckeye (#88)

For me freedom means low taxes and no gun laws

Why do you want to steal my money and rights?

BTW Your boy just got beat up by a girl.....

ROTFLMAO!

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   22:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeye (#0)

One thing I believe can be said is that she held her own......while we may not like the answers, she was firm and positive sounding, as though it is her opinion or whatever.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-02   22:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: bluegrass, Cynicom, christine (#78)

Joe Biden's wife looks Jewish, and has a Jewish last name 'Jacobs.' Interesting.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: rowdee (#91)

Typical Republican coopting of the liberty meme.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: All (#93) (Edited)

Caller: I want some kind of change [not what these two are supporting].

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: All (#94)

Caller from California: I don't support either of these candidates, prefer Ron Paul's monetary agenda and approach to the Fed.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: All (#89)

My Aunt had a robe that looked exactly like Gwen's jacket. Same color, but chenille.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   22:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: nikki, Cynicom, all (#89)

Pat Buchanan on MSNBC--Palin wiped up the floor with Biden. she was the most interesting and attractive of them all. needs to stay away from the filtered interviews. natural, young, etc. he likes the gurl.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-02   22:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Flintlock (#90)

For me freedom means low taxes and no gun laws

I think we agree that we're no longer free in America. Don't we? Did you find anything resembling a valid interpretation of law in the prevailing opinion in the recent DC case in SCOTUS?

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: christine (#97)

Buchanan in character. His moneymaker character.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: buckeye (#3)

Panic is what's driving the bill as it stands now.

It's greed and coercion.

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   22:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: christine (#97)

Caller gets through on CSPAN and mentions CP and throws out neoconzionistthreat.com

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: buckeye (#99)

yep. as usual, despite his criticisms, he'll be voting republican.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-02   22:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: christine (#102)

Hispanic from Florida calls and says she's for McCain. Woo hoo! The payoff.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: buckeye, Jethro Tull (#0)

Mmmmm....HOT!!

Once again, Michelle Obama is no doubt screaming about "dat white bitch!!" at this point as Hussein Obama stutters and stammers to nobody in particular about his community service.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   22:53:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: X-15 (#104)

LOL. But I think the dead donkey represents America in this case.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: buckeye (#103) (Edited)

Palin did much better than I thought she would do. I think she won the debate easily. I wish she would have brought up Obama's ex pastor and the racist church he attended for 20 plus years though, but overall she was very good in this debate. She hit the home run necessary for McCain to make the come back he needs to win. I wish she was top of the ticket, I just might vote for her if she was.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-02   22:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: christine (#97)

Biden was a "known" value for the past 35 years.

Palin as an "unknown" value could do no worse.

I didnt watch as I have watched and listened to far too many of such for too long.

Debates are for the sheep, it is actions and decisions a person makes when president that counts. We have had few presidents that have been above the mundane for many years. Some better than expected, the rest worse than expected.

Lyndon Johnson was the worst and 65 per cent of the voters fell for his Pied Piper tune.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   22:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: christine (#97)

Pat Buchanan on MSNBC--Palin wiped up the floor with Biden. she was the most interesting and attractive of them all. needs to stay away from the filtered interviews. natural, young, etc. he likes the gurl.

He's sweet on her, but then that's his assigned job too. She did have a few zingers that made clear Biden was old OLDDDDDDDD guard flipflopper and she studied his voting record, against his primary positions, now on to his alliance with Obama. So, she did sort of claw him to death in a nice sort of way, bless her heart, dont you know, get extra credit for paying attention.

Still she's just the new face on the same snake oil. I guess that's something

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   22:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: RickyJ (#106)

I think she won the debate easily.

I may be unique in reacting the way I did, but I can't stand her because she can stand in the same room with McCain.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   22:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: nikki, christine, buckeye (#108)

Voters like to vote for ..change..regardless of whom the changer is.

The only change we get is the change in our pocket left over from payday.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   22:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: buckeye (#109)

Wouldn't it be funny if McStain croaked a few months into term a la Roosevelt in 1944 and Palin kicked out all the D.C. bastards and brought in some of her own independent-minded people from Alaska and around the country??

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   23:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: X-15 (#104)

Once again, Michelle Obama is no doubt screaming about "dat white bitch!!" at this point as Hussein Obama stutters and stammers to nobody in particular about his community service.

I can see both of them doing that. They would have been doing it even more so if she would have went after Obama's connection to the Trinity United Church of Christ and its pastor Jeremiah Wright though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-02   23:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Cynicom (#110)

Some callers talking about third party agenda, including the 4-item Ron Paul agenda.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: buckeye, nikki (#0)

Third Quarter:

Beavers: 21

Utah: 20

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   23:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: buckeye (#98)

I think we agree that we're no longer free in America.

Yes. But Monkey Boy Obama will be the last nail in the coffin of freedom. A White House and Congress controlled by the RATS will be an orgy of socialism

Did you find anything resembling a valid interpretation of law in the prevailing opinion in the recent DC case in SCOTUS?

It was a step in thew right direction and the fallout of the decision could be a significant step in restoring the 2nd Amendment.

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: X-15 (#111)

Wouldn't it be funny if McStain croaked a few months into term a la Roosevelt in 1944 and Palin kicked out all the D.C. bastards and brought in some of her own independent-minded people from Alaska and around the country??

Tell me you don't really believe that would ever happen. She has an Israeli flag in her office, she has coddled Jews from the Alaska governor's office, and she clearly is a Zionist Christian Pentecostal. Please tell me you don't believe that.

If I believed that, I wouldn't breathe a word of criticism of her. She's not what she seems, just like every Republican President going back to and including Reagan hasn't been what they seemed. They are simply the best camouflage for the dismantling of our liberty the elite has going.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Cynicom (#110)

Voters like to vote for ..change..regardless of whom the changer is.

The only change we get is the change in our pocket left over from payday.

That's the truth.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Flintlock (#115)

You think the GOP candidates aren't all of those things and more? And no, not by a long shot was the SCOTUS case what you say it was. Not even close. It was actually a distinct step backwards, because the opposition was actually false.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Flintlock (#115) (Edited)

Yes. But Monkey Boy Obama will be the last nail in the coffin of freedom.

I really don't want to see Obummer in the Oval Office. I like living right now and I don't want to have to start shooting at the anti-constitutionalists just yet. Then again, if the shooting had started a few years back I'd have been more gung-ho on the whole Second Revolution concept.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   23:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: buckeye, Cynicom, christine, Tauzero (#92)

I thik Biden's ties into the Jewish world are deeper than told. I've heard that his grandparents were Iraqi Jews, which is how he was able to vote in the Iraqi elections - hence, the pic above that shows him with a purple finger.

Other breadcrumbs:

"Biden's son married into a Jewish family, but his keen interest in the region dates back to his first visit as a senator, not long before the 1973 Yom Kippur. He met Israel's then-prime minister, Golda Meir.

In an interview with Shalom TV last year, when he launched his own presidential bid, Biden said he came away from that meeting understanding that "there is this inextricable tie between culture, religion, ethnicity that most people don't fully understand—that is unique and so strong with Jews worldwide."

"When I was a young senator, I used to say, 'If I were a Jew I'd be a Zionist.' I am a Zionist," he said. "You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.""

http://www.jewishreview.org/Biden-and-the-Jews-Strong-ties-and-friendly-disagreements


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Original_Intent (#114)

yes! Thank You.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: X-15 (#111)

Wouldn't it be funny if McStain croaked a few months into term a la Roosevelt in 1944 and Palin kicked out all the D.C. bastards and brought in some of her own independent-minded people from Alaska and around the country??

That is the ...ONLY... long shot possibility that is on the positive side. The odds against are so staggering that one cannot compute.

When Palin was pulled out of the hat, I said just maybe someone has done this country a good turn...maybe...

If one looks at the matchups, it is rather odd.

Obummer takes on an old political hack that has been around Washington for 35 years. McKooK takes on a young female no one has ever heard of and from nowhere.

Politics is a dirty business and the odds of Palin being out of the mold are slim to none.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: bluegrass (#120)

I've heard that his grandparents were Iraqi Jews, which is how he was able to vote in the Iraqi elections - hence, the pic above that shows him with a purple finger.

Give me a break. Show your evidence. He's a typical sympath Goy, and apparently married to a Jew, and therefore possibly tied to their culture by wedlock.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: buckeye, Cynicom, christine, Tauzero (#120)

BTW, the above info, along with the major surviving finance houses contributing more to Obama than McCain, is what tells me that Obama and Biden will take the election.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: buckeye (#116)

You can't EVER discount the "woman-factor". Estrogen and all that....

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   23:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: X-15 (#125)

Oh, for sure. That doesn't mean that she's a libertarian. She's helping get pure evil reelected.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Cynicom (#110)

Palin: "A wolverine attacking the pantleg of a passer-by." (some bighead on the teevee)

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-10-02   23:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Cynicom (#122)

The odds against are so staggering that one cannot compute.

Same odds that we could kick the British off our continent and establish a thriving constitutional Republic.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   23:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: bluegrass (#120)

Interesting. I thought the pic was a PR stunt. I didn't realize he actually voted in that election.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: bluegrass (#124)

BTW, the above info, along with the major surviving finance houses contributing more to Obama than McCain, is what tells me that Obama and Biden will take the election.

A lot of people are tired of Bush II and want no part of Bush III. If the GOP were conservative, they would have run someone who were. They like Obama's idea of interventionism better than Bush III's.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: All (#130)

A Ron Paul voter calls and says everyone's lying.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:11:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: buckeye (#116)

every Republican President going back to and including Reagan hasn't been what they seemed.

Boy, you have a serious screw loose

Reagan was the last honest President we had. Do you remember the "Firearms owners protect act" Educate yourself, you look like a fool to those who have.

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: bluegrass (#124)

Few people expect McKooK to win.

Black America will not elect him but white guilters will. It really makes no difference, except the race part, Obummer was created for a purpose. McKooK has always been with us.

No matter what loser wins, we lose.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: buckeye (#123)

He's a typical sympath Goy, and apparently married to a Jew, and therefore possibly tied to their culture by wedlock.

How do you explain the purple finger?


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:12:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Flintlock (#132)

I get a kick out of people like you. But I'm getting tired of it at the same time. You're not free. Face it buddy.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: bluegrass (#134)

He didn't need Iraqi grandparents to stick his finger in dye.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: nikki (#121)

You're welcome.

Beaver's First and Ten from there own 30 after holding Utah to mid-field.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   23:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Cynicom, christine (#122)

That is the ...ONLY... long shot possibility that is on the positive side.

Politics is a dirty business and the odds of Palin being out of the mold are slim to none.

After all that bullshit about being against government. hypo is a better moniker than cyni.

angle  posted on  2008-10-02   23:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: buckeye, Cynicom (#126)

Also, remember that she's a hunter. She pulls the trigger and kills large critters, something that practically nobody in D.C. does these days. When you hunt, you have a different mindset than non-hunters do. I'll take pretty much any hunter over the majority of non-hunters.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   23:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Cynicom (#133)

Black America will not elect him but white guilters will.

Spoken like a bitter, small town, gun rubbing rube :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   23:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: angle, Cynicom (#138)

You misunderstand Cynicom. A part of him will always be a political wonk. He likes politics and is fascinated by what makes it work. That's separate from his values.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: X-15 (#139)

I'll take pretty much any hunter over the majority of non-hunters.

Sucker.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: nikki, buckeye (#129)

Interesting. I thought the pic was a PR stunt. I didn't realize he actually voted in that election.

Ack and pffft! My bad...

I can't back up that he voted. I do recall coming across evidence about three years ago that he has Jewish ancestry which is what made me make the link back then.

Nonetheless, even as an op, it was about as big a buttkissing of Neocon policy as he could do.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

I honestly have no idea why Palin is showing up with Gwen Ifill as moderator.

My wife says (I didn't watch) that she disproportionately gave Biden the last word, but that it didn't matter. She did good.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-02   23:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: bluegrass, Cynicom (#143)

There's a lot of cheap disinformation on the antisemite web. Don't fall for it.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: nikki (#137)

After a punt Utah goes 3 and out and the Beavers have the Ball at their own 40 1st and 10.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   23:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: buckeye (#135)

You're not free. Face it buddy.

Wrong again

But then, I had to work at it, plan, take risks, eat some baloney sandwiches, learn new languages, and wear out more than one passport.

It doesn't get any freer than me

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Tauzero (#144)

I watched football, but I understand the same thing. Too bad she has McCain the open border freak as an anchor.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-02   23:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Flintlock (#147)

If you think you're free, I don't want anything to do with you.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Jethro Tull (#140)

Spoken like a bitter, small town, gun rubbing rube :P

That barb by Obummer riled us low class, white trash Americans.

People decry racism yet he was allowed to demean with impunity. Thats ok, we understand, but I guarantee the cuzins that vote will recall what that SOB said.

A few more political signs have gone up, all McKooK, not a one Obummer.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Original_Intent (#137)

Beaver's First and Ten from there own 30 after holding Utah to mid-field.

Good job. Let's go.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: angle (#138)

Politics is a dirty business and the odds of Palin being out of the mold are slim to none.

After all that bullshit about being against government. hypo is a better moniker than cyni

angle, huh? what is hypocritical about what Cyni wrote there? you read support of government?

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-02   23:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Original_Intent (#146)

After a punt Utah goes 3 and out and the Beavers have the Ball at their own 40 1st and 10.

Okay, they lost it, got it back and now on the 40. Hang on to it, and push down the field. Tell them.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: bluegrass (#143)

Ack and pffft! My bad...

I can't back up that he voted. I do recall coming across evidence about three years ago that he has Jewish ancestry which is what made me make the link back then.

Nonetheless, even as an op, it was about as big a buttkissing of Neocon policy as he could do.

Thanks for clearing that up. Agreed but refined. Buttkissing op! Now I don't feel bad about my song. ;)

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: buckeye, Cynicom (#145)

There's a lot of cheap disinformation on the antisemite web. Don't fall for it.

I tend to operate by making connections based on what I've learned and then seeing if I can back it up. That was a poorly remembered connection.

Though I do recall his having Jewish ancestry. His traveling to Israel right before the '73 war and meeting Golda Meir isn't the act of a simple shabbos goy.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: bluegrass (#155)

I don't think he's Jewish at all, but he might tend to act like it due to being married to one. Word to the wise.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: angle (#138)

After all that bullshit about being against government. hypo is a better moniker than cyni.

One has to watch, read and digest all of what is occurring without letting their bias blind them to all facets of what is before us.

For whatever reason, some cannot accept that the government is the enemy and professional politicians are part and parcel of the system.

I wont be voting in November, that is my small token of defiance. There is no one available that is not part of the system.

Anyone that wishes to vote is free to do so.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: christine (#156)

Disgusting realization about the CSPAN phone moderator: she dwells on welfare queens ad nauseum but Ron Paul supporters call up and she wants to hustle them off as quickly as possible.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: buckeye (#149)

If you think you're free

I AM free

I don't want anything to do with you.

Ditto, you seem like a confused loser

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: buckeye (#156) (Edited)

I don't think he's Jewish at all, but he might tend to act like it due to being married to one. Word to the wise.

Twice the son of hell and all that? : )

I could have shortened my previous post by saying that I don't believe everything I think.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:29:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: Flintlock (#159)

Come back and exchange words with me when you've stopped living in a fantasy world. You're a waste of my time at this point.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: bluegrass, Cynicom (#160)

Cyni believed it, which is why I responded to you on it.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: buckeye (#0)

If McCain is elected his tax plan along with his desire to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on immoral and unnecessary wars would do virtually nothing for the working class (it would hurt the country overall substantially more than the bush economic/war package has) but it would substantially benefit those who have substantially benefitted from the tax cuts of the past 6 years. The country's financial position would collapse within 2 years of him taking office.

I can't stand either candidate but if push comes to shove and I were asked which tax/economic plan I would be more willing to see come to fruition it would be the non-neocon tax/economic plan.

In 2009, the fully-phased-in McCain tax plan would, on average, provide a tax cut equal to 2.1 percent of after-tax income, or $1,230 (table 6). The distribution of benefits from his plan would be regressive. Households in the bottom quintile of the cash income distribution would receive an average tax cut of just 0.2 percent of income ($21) and those in the middle fifth of the income distribution would receive an average cut equal to 0.8 percent of income ($325). Households in the top quintile, however, would get an average tax cut of 3.2 percent of income ($6,498). For those in the upper portion of the top quintile, the decreases would be significantly larger. Taxpayers in the top 1 percent of the population would see their taxes fall by an average of 3.7 percent of income or almost $50,000 and the richest 1 in 1,000 would see an average tax cut of more than $290,000 or 4.7 percent of income.

From the CTJ.

www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_tax_reform.htm

www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Tax_Reform.htm

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-02   23:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: nikki (#153)

They got it down to the 26 and then had to take a Field Goal which missed.

Still 21-20 Beavers.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-02   23:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#163)

McCain is Bush III2. We couldn't be more stupid than to vote for McCain. But millions, and millions, and millions will. Conservative Christian Zionists are the core threat to our liberty today.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Original_Intent (#164)

They got it down to the 26 and then had to take a Field Goal which missed.

Dam!

Still 21-20 Beavers. 3Q?

nikki  posted on  2008-10-02   23:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: buckeye (#161)

You're a waste of my time at this point.

With all the time you spent posting, you see to have plenty of time to waste. Or do you get paid for it? (naw, nobody would pay you)

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: buckeye (#165)

millions will.

Sadly it may come down to race that decides the election.

Blacks voting for a man because of color and whites the opposite.

I do not like to think of the outcome, regardless of who "wins".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: buckeye, Cynicom (#162)

I hear ya. I don't fumble it much but they're doozies when I do.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-02   23:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Cynicom (#168)

The TV tells us what to do, and most dutifully follow its lead. I see how this works. Who controls the TV controls the world.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: buckeye (#165)

Some of the members of my church still buy into the neocon lies and BS. Yesterday evening at Bible study I asked a simple question. I said I don't expect anybody to answer but to just think about the question.

As Christians we are anti-abortion. Some want to go as far as incarcerating and executing women who have abortions or lock them up for life as well as the doctors who perform the abortion. (I'm not that fanatical about revenge like some are). We all agreed that abortion is a sin and that life does begin before birth.

Then I asked what is a very simple question. Why do you call abortion murder, a sin, a crime and call for, in some cases, very severe punishment and yet when tens of thousands of babies and children are killed because of American bombs, bullets and war mongering politicians you casually refer to that as "collateral damage"?

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-02   23:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Flintlock (#132)

Reagan was the last honest President we had.

Yeah, that guy was so hated by the MSM that they wouldn't even acknowledge that it was a son of a good friend of George H. W. Bush that tried to kill Reagan. I don't believe for one second that Bush didn't know anything about the assassination attempt before hand. He wanted to be president right away so he could get the NWO started. Fortunately God was on Reagan's side and the bullet didn't kill him.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-02   23:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: RickyJ (#172)

Reagan's economic policies nearly destroyed the economy.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-02   23:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: buckeye (#170)

Who controls the TV controls the world.

That is why freedom on the internet is in danger.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-02   23:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: buckeye (#142)

Sucker.

www.nrahunterrights.org/

Just for you, buckeye. ;-)

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-02   23:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: RickyJ (#172)

Fortunately God was on Reagan's side and the bullet didn't kill him

Amen!

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Flintlock (#167)

Well I was a bit hasty there. I apologize. If you feel you're free, then I'm glad for you.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:46:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Flintlock (#167)

With all the time you spent posting, you see to have plenty of time to waste. Or do you get paid for it? (naw, nobody would pay you)

Right, no one would pay him. He is a Ron Paul supporter.

But he is wrong saying that you aren't free. Anyone can be free if they want to be. It is a choice made by each individual. I am glad you have achieved personal freedom. Hopefully more will join you soon.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-02   23:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#171)

Why do you call abortion murder, a sin, a crime and call for, in some cases, very severe punishment and yet when tens of thousands of babies and children are killed because of American bombs, bullets and war mongering politicians you casually refer to that as "collateral damage"?

Unfortunately, Obama and Biden want to take us to war killing more people in order to stop other people from killing, even when we have no reason to do this. Biden has a history of it, as he plainly mentioned (Bosnia). I don't think we can be sure that this clan will keep us out of unnecessary war, either.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#173)

Reagan's economic policies nearly destroyed the economy.

Are you sure you're not a moonie?

God Bless Ronald Reagan!

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:49:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: RickyJ (#178)

He is a Ron Paul supporter.

So am (was) I, but he lost and I have to accept the new situation.

It is a choice made by each individual. I am glad you have achieved personal freedom. Hopefully more will join you soon.

It was more than a choice. It took years of hard work and planning. That said, I thank you and wish you luck.

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-02   23:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: Flintlock (#180)

Reagan expanded the federal government tremendously. He also presided over big development of the continuity in government program that Oliver North can't talk about. That's what Alex Jones mentions in terms of the relocation camps he suggests will be used for people who won't go along with martial law.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:53:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#173) (Edited)

Reagan's economic policies nearly destroyed the economy.

The lies about and hate for this man continue to this day from the loonies.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-02   23:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: RickyJ (#183)

Look at what Charlotte Iserbyt has said about Reagan and the Department of Education. We're not making this up. Reagan went along with a lot of destructive agendas.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-02   23:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: nikki (#164)

2:20 to go in the 4th Quarter.

Moevo Touchdown Pass Beavers lead 28-20.

I think they have proven that the USC victory was NOT a fluke.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-03   0:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: buckeye (#182)

Blah...camps...Oliver North..blah, blah blah

I thought you weren't going to talk to me anymore

I guess I'm not that lucky

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-03   0:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: X-15 (#175)

Aw shucks, X-15. Thanks.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-03   0:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: buckeye (#184)

Reagan went along with a lot of destructive agendas.

In which term?

What part of that term?

Ronald Reagan was suffering from Alzheimer's at the start of his second term. Soon after that poppy bush was calling the shots

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-03   0:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: nikki (#185)

Utah scores quickly goes for 2 and makes it.

With 1:29 to go 28-28.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-03   0:07:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#171)

Why do you call abortion murder, a sin, a crime and call for, in some cases, very severe punishment and yet when tens of thousands of babies and children are killed because of American bombs, bullets and war mongering politicians you casually refer to that as "collateral damage"?

did you get an answer from anyone?

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-03   0:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Original_Intent (#185)

2:20 to go in the 4th Quarter.

Moevo Touchdown Pass Beavers lead 28-20.

I think they have proven that the USC victory was NOT a fluke.

Thanks for the update. God that was a sweet win.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-03   0:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: Original_Intent (#189)

Utah scores quickly goes for 2 and makes it.

With 1:29 to go 28-28.

Arrrrrrrrrgh.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-03   0:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: Original_Intent (#189)

I'll have to catch the final on the toob.

Good night to all.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-03   0:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: bluegrass (#124)

BTW, the above info, along with the major surviving finance houses contributing more to Obama than McCain, is what tells me that Obama and Biden will take the election.

Everybody loves a winner.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-03   0:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: christine (#190)

No. Most just hung their heads. Pastor Steve looked me in the eye and said "you are right"

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-03   1:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: RickyJ (#183)

Have you ever read the impact of Reganomics? And I'm not talking about the neocon lies.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/zFacts-2005-Nominal-Debt-Reagan.gif

The national debt when Ronald Reagan took office was about $1 trillion. That included in it all the debt run up for the Revolutionary war, the Spanish-American war, the Civil war, World War I, World War II, the Korean war, the Vietnam war and all the Social wars of the 1930's and subsequent years. In other words it took the United States from 1776 until 1980 or more than 200 years to accumulate a national debt of $1 trillion.

Ronald Reagan left us a national debt of about $3.5 trillion or $3,500 billion.

Unemployment stood at 7.5 percent at his inauguration, and it averaged that same 7.5 percent during his entire eight years. The jobless rate was 5.4 percent when Reagan left office.

he Reagan tax cut of 1981 was followed, under Reagan, by the biggest tax increase in American history, in terms of taxes raised as a proportion of GDP, and then followed by additional tax increases every year that Reagan was in office until the last, and increases under Clinton and Bush I. Here's how Bruce Bartlett (an economist and Reagan adviser who supports Republican taxcutting policies) describes the Reagan tax increases that followed the Reagan 1981 tax cuts:

Reagan may have resisted calls for tax increases, but he ultimately supported them. In 1982 alone, he signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion. According to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history. Bruce Bartlett, A Taxing Experience, National Review Online, Oct. 29, 2003.

revenue growth from trough to peak will look better than the reverse. Unfortunately, business cycles don’t correspond to administrations. But looking at revenue changes peak to peak is still revealing. So here’s the annual rate of growth of real revenue per capita over some cycles:

1973-1979: 2.7%

1979-1990: 1.8%

1990-2000: 3.2%

Economic growth indices -- GDP, jobs, revenues -- were all positive when Carter left office. All plunged after Reagan policies took effect.

Here's the truth: the total federal tax burden increased during the Reagan years, and most Americans paid more in taxes after Reagan than before. The "Reagan Recovery" was unremarkable. It looks great only contrasted against the dismal Reagan Recession

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-03   2:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: buckeye (#184)

Oh my, here's Reagan at the Grove with his buddies (Nixon too).

A once free nation established through Revolution is now forbidden from questioning the authorities without fear of being defamed, renditioned or murdered.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-03   2:33:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: noone222, buckeye (#197)

"here's Reagan at the Grove with his buddies"

Reagan's "character in the movie" so to speak was folksy and likeable. But he was the emperor, and empires are bad.

Peter Carswell  posted on  2008-10-03   3:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: Peter Carswell (#198)

Reagan's "character in the movie" so to speak was folksy and likeable.

And even "christian" though he visited the grove and sought guidance from astrologers and mediums. [Hypocrisy is the most common practice amongst the emperors and other elites].

A once free nation established through Revolution is now forbidden from questioning the authorities without fear of being defamed, renditioned or murdered.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-03   3:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: noone222 (#199)

"Hypocrisy is the most common practice amongst the emperors"

The western governing class thinks that majority rule is the moral justification for political elitism. So Christians or not, they're saying that it's ok to beat up minorities and steal their property. There's some hypocrisy for you!

Peter Carswell  posted on  2008-10-03   3:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: Flintlock (#188)

In which term?

Reagan accepted Bush I as his VP at the beginning, some say at the behest of Rockefeller (although he had promised he would not). He had also promised to abolish the Department of Education, but he did not. That's how we came to know Charlotte Iserbyt, author of The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America: deliberatedumbingdown.com.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-03   6:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: Flintlock (#180)

In the last two years of his reign, he couldn't articulate a complete sentence. He ushered in the domination of the defense industry as well as the bush cheney rumsfeld cabal. He was as crooked as the rest and the Iran Contra coverup perfectly depicts his administration.

angle  posted on  2008-10-03   7:57:30 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: angle (#202) (Edited)

the Iran Contra coverup

OMG!

You are a pathetic little leftist turd muncher. Too bad you didn't live in Chile in those years. This man would have sorted you out...but good

Poof! Where's angle? Why he's disappeared!

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-03   8:49:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: Flintlock (#180)

Play your little games. If you don't want to read the documents that show what how close it brought America to a financial disaster then live in your fantasy world. People can't be forced to accept facts and truth.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-03   9:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: buckeye (#179)

I'm not sure either. I'm starting to believe we are seeing the neocon - communist takeover of our country and short of people going to the streets I don't believe there is much hope of stopping it.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-03   9:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: buckeye (#184)

Amen. We should be thankful for those like Iserbyt and Barbara Honegger

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-03   9:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#204)

Blah, blah, blah

You are a loser. How do you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning without puking?

It must be hard.

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-03   9:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: buckeye (#201)

Reagan accepted Bush I as his VP at the beginning, some say at the behest of Rockefeller

Look nitwit. If you're gonna talk about "The Great Helmsman" get your facts straight. Bush was shoved down the throat of RR as veep. They hated each other. To this day Nancy Reagan won't talk to the bushs

RR was the greatest President in out lifetime......you're not fit to shine his shoes.

Gotta run. It's time for the adults to go to work.

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-03   9:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: buckeye (#201) (Edited)

I can see Flintlock is just some kid or another yukon type and has no interest in our country, facts or the truth. It it a shame some Americans like himself are proof that there are times when the baby died and the afterbirth lived. He lives in a fantasy world. They obviously are not worth wasting a second of our time on.

By the way along with a few other new and interesting items are now available at the National Security Archives web site.

PR Push for Iraq War Preceded Intelligence Findings

"White Paper" Drafted before NIE even Requested

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 254

Posted - August 22, 2008

For more information contact: John Prados - (202) 994-7000

Washington D.C., August 22, 2008 - The U.S. intelligence community buckled sooner in 2002 than previously reported to Bush administration pressure for data justifying an invasion of Iraq, according to a documents posting on the Web today by National Security Archive senior fellow John Prados.

The documents suggest that the public relations push for war came before the intelligence analysis, which then conformed to public positions taken by Pentagon and White House officials. For example, a July 2002 draft of the "White Paper" ultimately issued by the CIA in October 2002 actually pre-dated the National Intelligence Estimate that the paper purportedly summarized, but which Congress did not insist on until September 2002.

A similar comparison between a declassified draft and the final version of the British government's "White Paper" on Iraq weapons of mass destruction adds to evidence that the two nations colluded in the effort to build public support for the invasion of Iraq. Dr. Prados concludes that the new evidence tends to support charges raised by former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in its long-delayed June 2008 "Phase II" report on politicization of intelligence.

www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB254/index.htm

www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-03   9:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: Flintlock (#207)

go away little one. Shouldn't you be getting ready for school?

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-10-03   9:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Flintlock (#208)

To this day Nancy Reagan won't talk to the bushs

That's because she knows they tried to take him out !

A once free nation established through Revolution is now forbidden from questioning the authorities without fear of being defamed, renditioned or murdered.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-03   9:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: noone222 (#211)

That's because she knows they tried to take him out !

Bingo!

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-10-03   9:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: buckeye (#46) (Edited)

The "debate" in a nutshell:

Biden: I support using taxpayer money to bail out Wall Street!

Palin: No, I do!

Biden: Nobody loves Israel more than I do!

Palin: Except me!

Biden: Obama and I think we should send more troops to Afghanistan!

Palin: So do we, but first we need to go after insane Ahmedinijad in Eye-ran!

After their "debate," I would have liked to see nothing more than to have both of them sunk in the Mariana Trench with cinder blocks around their necks.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-03   10:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#213)

After their "debate," I would have liked to see nothing more than to have both of them sunk in the Mariana Trench with cinder blocks around their necks.

Harsh - but I understand the sentiment.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-10-03   10:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: lodwick (#214)

Didn't you love that scene in the debate when these two phonies congratulated one another for their shared love of Israel?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-03   11:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#215)

The Tribe has done their work very well here.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-10-03   11:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: All (#216)

Brother Nathaniel www.realjewnews.com is now on Crash! Are You Ready? GCN Network 1.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-10-03   11:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: Flintlock (#203)

Rush is a bit more hysterical lately, wouldn't you say?

The Real Legacy of Ronald Reagan (White-Wash Removed)

rea lprophecyunveiled.netf..._Site/Reagan's_Legax.html

For example, Reaganites like to claim that Reagan furthered the cause of liberty by reducing the size and scope of government, and, of course, that's what he claimed. That was false, misleading rhetoric, and it was designed simply to justify cutting human services programs and decreasing government investment in the people as a whole. And, of course, such misleading and disingenuous rhetoric was designed also to justify the deregulation he pushed for in order to please and enable corporate big business. But,... Reagan did not reduce the size of government. In fact, Reagan wanted big government made it bigger in order to suit the purposes of his constituency -- the corporations and the wealthiest few. That is the historic fact of the matter.

angle  posted on  2008-10-03   13:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#209)

Heck, after Bush's 2002 SOTU address, even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see the writing on the wall.

Nice to see confirmation, though. That's one hell of a green curtain.

Future generations may compare the 2002 Congress vote to the vote given by the English Parliament in 1914 for war. Expediency and Fear prevailed.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-10-03   13:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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