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Title: Sarah Palin's pastor exorcises witches, condemns Jew Bankers Source: YT/MSNBC URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esSAVnn2ye0 Published: Oct 4, 2008 Author: AntiConformist911/Olberman Post Date: 2008-10-04 16:06:49 by buckeye Keywords: NoneViews: 973 Comments: 74
Palin once blessed to be free from 'witchcraft' video surfaced Wednesday showing Sarah Palin being blessed in her hometown church three years ago by a Kenyan pastor who prayed for her protection from "witchcraft" as she prepared to seek higher office. The video shows Palin standing before Bishop Thomas Muthee in the pulpit of the Wasilla Assembly of God church, holding her hands open as he asked Jesus Christ to keep her safe from "every form of witchcraft." "Come on, talk to God about this woman. We declare, save her from Satan," Muthee said as two attendants placed their hands on Palin's shoulders. "Make her way my God. Bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus. ... Use her to turn this nation the other way around." Palin filed campaign papers a few months later, in October 2005, and was elected governor the next year. Unlike most other Christians — including most evangelicals — Pentecostals believe in "baptism in the Holy Spirit." That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing, which includes the laying on of hands. On a visit to the church in June 2008, Palin spoke fondly of the Kenyan pastor and told a group of young missionaries that Muthee's prayers had helped her to become governor. "Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he's so bold," she said. "And he was praying 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way' ... He said, 'Lord make a way and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened." The Rev. Zipporah Ndiritu, who studied under Muthee in the Kiambu, Kenya-based Word of Faith Church, said the bishop is revered among evangelicals there. In a phone interview from Mombasa, Kenya, she said church doctrine focuses on ridding the world of demons — and witches. "Even in the days of Jesus Christ, according to the Bible there were witches who were manifesting through demonic forces," she said. "You can seek from the Lord, and if you find demonic forces you cast them out." http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gv... Sarah Palin has a new problem with Jewish voters. Ive written before about the appearance of Jews for Jesus leader David Brickner at Palins Wasilla Bible Church and how on August 17, 2008, with Palin in the audience, Brickner described terrorist attacks on Israelis as Gods judgment of unbelief on Jews who have not converted to Christianity. Ive also written about the video of Kenyan witch-hunter Thomas Muthee exorcising witches from Sarah Palin at her church, showing Muthee praying over Sarah Palin and calling on God to make her Alaskas governor, drive away the witches who are attacking her, and saying that the Devil himself is behind the opposition to Palin in the Alaska gubernatorial election. Now video has surfaced of Rev. Muthee at Palins church again with Palin present and in the video — telling the congregation that the Christians need to take over control of the business world, especially banking, from the Jews ("Israelites"). Heres what Muthee said in his sermon where he told the church congregation "the reasons why" they needed to "pray for Sarah": The second area whereby God wants us, wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. Its high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. Thats what we are waiting for. Thats part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the — you know — if you look at the Israelites, thats how they work. And thats how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, that the top transporters (?) in the lands, we see, you know, the bankers, we see the people holding the parts (?), they are believers, we will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies." http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid... Poster Comment:Nothing follows.
Palin once blessed to be free from 'witchcraft' video surfaced Wednesday showing Sarah Palin being blessed in her hometown church three years ago by a Kenyan pastor who prayed for her protection from "witchcraft" as she prepared to seek higher office.
The video shows Palin standing before Bishop Thomas Muthee in the pulpit of the Wasilla Assembly of God church, holding her hands open as he asked Jesus Christ to keep her safe from "every form of witchcraft."
"Come on, talk to God about this woman. We declare, save her from Satan," Muthee said as two attendants placed their hands on Palin's shoulders. "Make her way my God. Bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus. ... Use her to turn this nation the other way around." Palin filed campaign papers a few months later, in October 2005, and was elected governor the next year.
Unlike most other Christians — including most evangelicals — Pentecostals believe in "baptism in the Holy Spirit." That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing, which includes the laying on of hands.
On a visit to the church in June 2008, Palin spoke fondly of the Kenyan pastor and told a group of young missionaries that Muthee's prayers had helped her to become governor.
"Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he's so bold," she said. "And he was praying 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way' ... He said, 'Lord make a way and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened."
The Rev. Zipporah Ndiritu, who studied under Muthee in the Kiambu, Kenya-based Word of Faith Church, said the bishop is revered among evangelicals there. In a phone interview from Mombasa, Kenya, she said church doctrine focuses on ridding the world of demons — and witches.
"Even in the days of Jesus Christ, according to the Bible there were witches who were manifesting through demonic forces," she said. "You can seek from the Lord, and if you find demonic forces you cast them out." http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gv... Sarah Palin has a new problem with Jewish voters. Ive written before about the appearance of Jews for Jesus leader David Brickner at Palins Wasilla Bible Church and how on August 17, 2008, with Palin in the audience, Brickner described terrorist attacks on Israelis as Gods judgment of unbelief on Jews who have not converted to Christianity.
Ive also written about the video of Kenyan witch-hunter Thomas Muthee exorcising witches from Sarah Palin at her church, showing Muthee praying over Sarah Palin and calling on God to make her Alaskas governor, drive away the witches who are attacking her, and saying that the Devil himself is behind the opposition to Palin in the Alaska gubernatorial election.
Now video has surfaced of Rev. Muthee at Palins church again with Palin present and in the video — telling the congregation that the Christians need to take over control of the business world, especially banking, from the Jews ("Israelites").
Heres what Muthee said in his sermon where he told the church congregation "the reasons why" they needed to "pray for Sarah":
The second area whereby God wants us, wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. Its high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. Thats what we are waiting for. Thats part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the — you know — if you look at the Israelites, thats how they work. And thats how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, that the top transporters (?) in the lands, we see, you know, the bankers, we see the people holding the parts (?), they are believers, we will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies." http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid...
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#1. To: buckeye (#0) There's just so much wrong here. The "Israelites" are not just Jews. All Jews (shorthand for members of the tribe of Judah) are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. The Israelites consisted of at least a dozen tribes which occupied what we call the Holy Land today nearly 3,000 years ago. What became of them (the so-called "Lost Tribes") is not really known, but many sects believe they migrated all the way to Europe, the British Isles and eventually North America. And most of those Muthee is singling out in banking "who say they are Jews" are not Israelitish in origin, but are Khazars who converted to Judaism around 1,200 years ago. “I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston Sam Houston posted on 2008-10-04 16:40:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #2. To: Sam Houston (#1) Sounds superstitious to me. buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 16:41:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #3. To: buckeye, christine (#0) The Rev. Zipporah Ndiritu, who studied under Muthee in the Kiambu, Kenya-based Word of Faith Church, said the bishop is revered among evangelicals there. In a phone interview from Mombasa, Kenya, she said church doctrine focuses on ridding the world of demons — and witches. Now we know what happened to our ZIP !!! noone222 posted on 2008-10-04 16:41:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #4. To: buckeye (#0) It seems this Muthee is NOT her pastor, but rather a visiting pastor/evangelist. rowdee posted on 2008-10-04 21:31:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #5. To: rowdee (#4) You're saying that makes her less likely to be a Christian Zionist holy rolling rapture believer, somehow? She was happy to have him praying demands to God over her gubernatorial candidacy. I don't care if she's religious deep down in her heart or not. Her story reminds me too much of Bush's "conversion" to Christianity, and his continual obeisance to Israel. buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 21:36:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #6. To: buckeye (#0) Its high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. Thats what we are waiting for. Thats part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the — you know — if you look at the Israelites, thats how they work. And thats how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, that the top transporters (?) in the lands, we see, you know, the bankers, we see the people holding the parts (?), they are believers, we will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies." Sure doesn't seem like he's against the Israelites/Jews here........sheesh. He's saying that its about time we have christian men and women who have integrity running the nations economics.......its part of 'transformataion'.......just look at the israelites === that is what they do (run economies).... that is how they are even today, and if we'll see that they are the top transporters (whatever the hell that is).....that they are believers, we won't have the crap we have in our societies now---in other words, take a lesson from the Israelites/Jews.........they're already doing it (which must be a good thing if christians are to be doing it) Very confusing sentence structures and language styles in the quote, making it hard to explain. rowdee posted on 2008-10-04 21:41:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #7. To: rowdee (#6) My problem with Pentecostal types is that they think Israel is holy. They may not even care about Jews at all, but they're still more interested in Jerusalem than their own neighborhoods. When Palin says she loves Israel, I believe her. buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 21:48:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #8. To: buckeye (#5) You're saying that makes her less likely to be a Christian Zionist holy rolling rapture believer, somehow? She was happy to have him praying demands to God over her gubernatorial candidacy. I don't care if she's religious deep down in her heart or not. Her story reminds me too much of Bush's "conversion" to Christianity, and his continual obeisance to Israel. Cripes alfriday!! I'm not saying a fucking thing, beyond the fact that the guy is NOT her pastor.........the headline of this article is an attempt to portray the guy as being the pastor of the church where she gets her religious pastoral care.......and that is wrong. How can you possibly read all the bullshit you responded with into the mere words that muthee is not her pastor? You seeem hellbent to be on a bear hunt, so get it out of your system and get over yourself.And noiw that you brought it up, what exactly is wrong with getting all the prayers that you can? I've witnessed the power of prayer and what it can do, so oI don't make light of it.Its too bad you don't care whether she is relighous or not.........it reflects badly on you. Its Gods desire that all be saved, but they won't be. But it is God who will doing the judging, not we mere mortals. You are more than welcome to hate Israel, hate Jews, hate anyone and everyone.......it will eat you alive eventually.Good luck...... rowdee posted on 2008-10-04 21:48:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #9. To: buckeye (#7) Your problem is that people don't march in lock step with you.......Sorry, but that is exactly how I see it.IT seems you respect nothing but what is in lock step with you.So be it.........it is your burden to bear, not mind. Regards......... rowdee posted on 2008-10-04 21:50:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #10. To: rowdee (#9) Evangelical Christians put George W. Bush in the White house twice. That's our entire nation's cross to bear. buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 21:58:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #11. To: buckeye, rowdee, All (#7) When Palin says she loves Israel, I believe her. I do too. I'm sick of those who shill for Israel because for no other reason they have been taught to believe they are God's chosen people. They may be or they may not be. I really don't know nor do I care. I'm saddened by those who look at Israel and believe they can do no wrong. If they bomb women and children in the gaza strip, in lebanon, syria or whereever else they have, they have a blind following who see nothing wrong with Israel killing women and children in other ME countries. But when any of their little darlings get killed, well that is just God awful and those responsible aren't civilized or even human. This is the kind of shit that keeps the violence growing. Without the almighty FRN's given to Israel every year, they would have vanished as a country along time ago. As a country we support them financially, militarily, and politically even when they are clearly out of control and the aggressor. Is it any wonder we are hated as much as they are? If we had given even 10% of the Israeli annual aid to other countries in the middle east, just think how much goodwill that would do towards building respect for the USA instead of disdain. ......and lest any of you bleeding Israeli hearts should forget, it wasn't any muslim country that bombed the U.S.S. Liberty during the six day war. It was your jooish brothers who hold us in contempt also.They say money is the root of all evil and we keep giving it to Israel and they keep doing evil things with it. Aren't you so glad you love and support them? LACUMO posted on 2008-10-04 22:18:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #12. To: LACUMO (#11) I don't think Dee falls into that category. She's rightfully critical of my frustration, but it remains. The right should focus on our liberties; instead they obsess for a phony manifestation of family values, against flag burning, and occupy our blood and treasure in fighting Israel's wars. Those who claim to be the most patriotic are the ones who can shackle horrible legislation and government bureaucracy on to the backs of the American people. buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 22:30:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #13. To: buckeye (#10) Evangelical Christians put George W. Bush in the White house twice. That's our entire nation's cross to bear. Partly true. There was also help from the SCOUS, Diedold black voting(rigged) boxes, and a lot of crooked members in the RNC. LACUMO posted on 2008-10-04 22:30:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #14. To: LACUMO (#13) Yes, an echo surely of Dee's position that I'm too narrow in my focus. But I actually have a faint hope that American Christians will realize that Israel is far less valuable soil than our own. (I don't have much hope that the left will stop coddling Bolshevism.) buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 22:32:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #15. To: buckeye (#10) Big deal...........so they went out and voted ..... just like all other 'merikans, and some illegals, too, were able to cast a vote. OTOH, everyone it seems like wants to swear we don't even hae to vote--that the elections are all rigged.Doesn't seem like it can be both ways, does it......a confusing world we live in. rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 0:15:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #16. To: LACUMO (#11) Who yanked yer chain, lacumo? Its obvious on this thread and others where buckeye comes from. And there is nothing contained in this thread that would suggest I am a bleeding heart liberal evangelicalIsrael lover.I will absolutely concede you will not see me ranting and raving like others do re Israel/Jews/the rapture/second coming/whatever........quite frankly, I haven't made up my mind about the matter. Absolutely, there are things I don't like them doing, just as there are things I don't like the Arabs doing..........hells bells, theres a ton of things I don't like us doing.But I'm sickened to death of all the boohooing, the naysaying, the haters, the bullshitters, the whiners, the moaners, and all the rest who lay every friggin thing that ever went wrong in this old world on the shoulders of Jews or Israelites. Period. They've damned near convinced me that my brittle fingernails are because some Joo did something 27x around some flagpole over in a country we can't find on a map in the dead of winter, just before midnight.There.........now you can call me a nut! rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 0:24:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #17. To: rowdee (#16) In case it wasn't clear, I blame Americans for our problems. That's why I'm disgusted with the lot of Evangelicals and Catholics who will be voting for Palin. It's a vote for Bush III2 I think you'll agree with me that things have gotten much worse under Bush than ever in our lifetimes. buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 0:27:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #18. To: buckeye (#17) I suspect it seems worse, buckeye, because we have the access to all this information that we never had before, or that would have taken ages to have located.And with a sense of urgency--i.e., to get the country turned around, we tend to think things are worse than they are. I still remember double digit interest rates....and a president that wanted to micro manage the whole government........nice guy with a nice smile, but we had long gas lines, and terribly frustratiaon rates.The older you get the worst things seem, too.I have about reached the point where I feel like ol Rhett Butler, and frankly don't give a damn. :) Whats going to be is going to be. I can bitch about government all day.........but when I see stories about women cooking their babies in a microwave, or a man setting fire to his parents while they're sleeping (and the mother is a doublel amputee), and I hear that millions of unborn are being slaughtered yearly........suddenly the friggin government matter falls way behind---our society is failing, not because of government, though government isn't helping matters. You can't have a society worthy of living in when there is no value on human life---and that means the cititizens themselves placing values, not the gubmint. rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 0:37:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #19. To: rowdee (#18) Whats going to be is going to be. What we leave behind is forever. What we permit to exist and remain is our eternal legacy. I do care very much about that. I was handed diamonds when I was born. I'll be damned if I'm going to lose a one of them. buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 0:42:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #20. To: buckeye (#19) There won't be any going back; unfortunately life doesn't operate that way. Its interesting to be saying this because I just had a discussion a couple of days back with my Mother about not being able to turn back the hands of time to a better time. She was lamenting all these new fandangled tv remote controls and wanting it like in the good old days, when you either walked across the room and changed the channel, or just a basic remote that wnet up and down on the channels and on the volume!!!I've not said I'd forget about the way it was OR the way it should be......but a l-man or 2-man army isn't going to bring it back.Look what happened on this board because everyone seemed to have a wee bit different idea or outlook--that wasn't pretty......and that was within a bunch of people that seemingly were much more knowledgable about this stuff than the man on the street. rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 0:48:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #21. To: LACUMO (#11) If we had given even 10% of the Israeli annual aid to other countries in the middle east, just think how much goodwill that would do towards building respect for the USA instead of disdain. What if the politicians could get it through their head that the Constitution doesn't authorize them to dole out foreign aid TO ANYONE? That Americans have the right to donate as much of their own money to anyone they choose to but the government has no authority whatsoever to do that because it is theft? I know it is a novel idea for them to pay any attention to the Constitution but they do take an oath to do just that. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-05 1:09:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #22. To: LACUMO (#11) They say money is the root of all evil Who are "they"? That is not what the Bible says at all. It says that the love of money is the root of all evil. Money is neither intrinsically good or evil, it is an inanimate object and the means to trade that is a bit more convenient than bartering for the things you need. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-05 1:11:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #23. To: rowdee (#16) But I'm sickened to death of all the boohooing, the naysaying, the haters, the bullshitters, the whiners, the moaners, and all the rest who lay every friggin thing that ever went wrong in this old world on the shoulders of Jews or Israelites. Period. They've damned near convinced me that my brittle fingernails are because some Joo did something 27x around some flagpole over in a country we can't find on a map in the dead of winter, just before midnight. Excellent post. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man is not limited by geographical boundaries, there is more than enough of it--way too much of it--everywhere. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-05 1:14:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #24. To: buckeye (#0) Brickner described terrorist attacks on Israelis as Gods judgment of unbelief on Jews who have not converted to Christianity. What terrorist attacks? When you fight back against an oppressor and murderer of your people you are a terrorist? The only terrorist attacks over there are by the state of Israel. God's judgment on unbelievers has NOT occurred yet, if it had they would know it. God is always good! RickyJ posted on 2008-10-05 5:04:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #25. To: James Deffenbach (#22) They say money is the root of all evil Damn James you are right on two counts. It is the bible that says the love of money is the root of all evil. A person of lesser intelligence than you probably wouldn't have caught my errors. It is good that we have someone with a little gray matter between the ears on here to keep us straight. LACUMO posted on 2008-10-05 6:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #26. To: rowdee (#20) (Edited) There won't be any going back; unfortunately life doesn't operate that way. I think my goals are reasonable. Realistically, I'm not pushing to restore America's non-political traditions. I'm optimistic about restoring liberty, at least to one degree or another. Much of it has been lost since Bush I (41) entered the White house. Senate intelligence reform during the Ford and Carter administrations, and the reduction in military spending we experienced during the Carter and Clinton administrations were both massive improvements to our personal liberty and national economy. Similar actions today are within our grasp. Limiting immigration is an ideal way to reduce the perceived need for intense "reich" security measures like Homeland Security. Limiting immigration would also give us the ability to transmit our traditions to newcomers already here, who have scarcely had any pressure to adopt our way of life. This is a fairly popular solution, and has already been implemented to a small degree under Bush II as a token of insincere goodwill. Ron Paul's four step agenda would be achievable if moderate liberals and conservatives would look further than their selected TV news sources for information. Reform America's debt-based monetary policy or even end the Fed. Balance the federal budget. End American foreign interventionism. Restore privacy and other constitutional civil liberties. These are significant, and much of what we lament in terms of lost values and tradition could blossom naturally under such conditions. It will take more than a few people striving to accomplish these things. I suspect that disappointment over an Obama or McCain administration's failed promises may be the catalyst that is required. I think we need to think on the four-step agenda over the long haul. It's really just getting started, and momentum could take decades to achieve. Your mother's lament over newfangled AV technologies, for us, could become a lament over the bad old days when tyrants had taken our rights on paper, and how we had to restore them with great sacrifice and effort. buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 6:54:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #27. To: James Deffenbach (#21) What if the politicians could get it through their head that the Constitution esn't authorize them to dole out foreign aid TO ANYONE? Of course it doesn't allow for foreign aid to any country but since when do our pols follow the Constitution and govern by it. Regardless, they keep greasing the palms of the joos in Israel and that doesn't sit well with the rest of the countries in the middle east. By the way james, if you keep nitpicking what I write, I'm gonna have christine make you thechecker,exchecker or something on this forum. LACUMO posted on 2008-10-05 6:57:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #28. To: LACUMO (#25) (Edited) A person of lesser intelligence than you probably wouldn't have caught my errors. It is good that we have someone with a little gray matter between the ears on here to keep us straight. I am always happy to help out the less fortunate. You're welcome. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-05 12:01:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #29. To: buckeye (#26) You can make all the changes you wish....but until the heart/conscience of mankind is changed, it will be only superficial and last but moments in time. What you would change to suit your way of thinking, the next guy will come along and change it to something else --I'm sure you're aware that simply because a law is written this year does not guarantee it will last forever (nor a constitution, for that matter)--the next congress can change that law, or any other law at their whim. As I noted, what good is a 'no central bank' system if people are killing each other right and left over any reason, every reason, or simply no reason? Ya wanna say, hey, we've got a great no central banking system and when the people quit killing each other, they'll realize thats a good thing?Makes no sense to me.I can understand well your desire to have a nation that is even half- based on the Constitution upon which it is supposed to operate. I'd love that, too.........but you know what they say about that damned barn door and the horse! I'm not going to let it get to me, to let it eat me alive, to make me hateful and bitter. The nation has made its bed (sold its soul seemingly), so now it has to lie in it (suffer the consequences)........that it goes under is not the end of the world, though it could be IF God decides it is. BUt I ain't gonna worry about that, either. Que sera, sera. rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:08:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #30. To: buckeye (#26) I think we need to think on the four-step agenda over the long haul. It's really just getting started, and momentum could take decades to achieve. Bless your heart, buckeye.........I'm glad someone has all those decades in which they want to work at changing government. How old are you.....17? 18? I can't say that.......I'm at the other end of the spectrum, and I don't plan to spend whatever 'decades' I have left trying to get sheeple to wake up--at least not in any sort of activist role. Those days are behind me. I no longer consider putting important value on 'man made'...... rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:13:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #31. To: RickyJ (#24) God's judgment on unbelievers has NOT occurred yet, if it had they would know it. God punished unblieving Israelites all the time in the O/T. I think Brickner's statement is a bit of a stretch as it regards 'because they didn't convert to chr5istianity, because the Bible indicates they will when Messiah returns.They were unbelieving and disobeying God's instructions--that is why they went thru so many diasporas. And from my reading of Scripture and other materials, they still owned the land, but God refused to let them possess it. rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:20:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #32. To: rowdee (#29) As I noted, what good is a 'no central bank' system if people are killing each other right and left over any reason, every reason, or simply no reason? Usury at a federal level leverages the ability to kill to a massive level. Individuals may deviate from the norm, and you may read about it in the papers or see it on TV. But when the Federal Reserve funds a war, millions can die. Hundreds of thousands can be raped, and scores of thousands of children can suffer terribly. This is on our conscience. I know you're getting tired, but thankfully you're not too tired to stop in and advise us when we get too anxious. Dum spiro spero. buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 12:21:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #33. To: rowdee (#31) God punished unblieving Israelites all the time in the O/T Punishment and judgment are two different things. The present state of Israel has experienced neither. Dead Jews can't convert to Christianity and I see nowhere in the Bible where it says all the live ones will convert to Christianity when Jesus returns. Also the Bible is referring to real Jews, not the pretenders in Israel today. God is always good! RickyJ posted on 2008-10-05 12:27:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #34. To: buckeye (#32) So without the federal reserve, we wouldn't be killing in other countries........yet it would continue nonstop here, just as others in other countries would continiue the killing there.Changing a banking system is not going to change the heart of mankind.......where there is a chance to grab power, there are many waiting for the chance. And power is, in the hands of man, generally not good--might be for a few, but by and large not. Money is nto the only way to obtain power.......but it is a powerful aphrodesiac. rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:27:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #35. To: rowdee (#34) Changing a banking system is not going to change the heart of mankind... The point of our constitutional government was to limit the excesses of men, and it indeed worked for a time. We have a system for magnifying them in the Fed. These things have consequences. Men will be men, but when we give them fractional reserve banking and unlimited access to credit, all hell breaks loose. It's a worthy fight, even if it's only going to result in small reforms. buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 12:31:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #36. To: rowdee (#34) (Edited) Building the military necessary to (attempt) world dominance requires currency that can be created instantly, and lots of it. I think you're right that it (killing in general) could (and in most cases would) continue on a much more local level. Only a change in the people's thinking will stop wars. noone222 posted on 2008-10-05 12:35:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #37. To: RickyJ (#33) I don't presume to know what blood flows through each and every Jew in Israel....nor do I presume to know their heart. To be punished, God would have judged that they did not do as they were supposed to do.......otherwise it would be an odd God that would punish first, doncha think? Of course, this is not the final judgement."Real Jews".........was Jesus a real Jew? I ask because he came along long after the diaspora to Babylon, and certainly the Assyrian diaspora.Furthermore, there were jewish communities in many cities all over the place before the Khazar storyline. So exactly how do you determine who has the right 'blood'.......and are you speaking religiously or ethnically/racially? And lets see your proof that each and every one of them are not 'jews'. rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:37:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #38. To: buckeye (#35) Do you truly believe you can recapture the early days of the Constitution? Truly? Because if you do, I'll sell you the London Bridge pretty cheap-- special deal cause you're a friend and all that.......... rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:40:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #39. To: noone222 (#36) I would imagine a corp of private contractors would work nicely...... :) rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:45:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #40. To: rowdee (#38) I believe we can improve our situation if we try. I believe that not trying is not an option. buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 12:46:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #41. To: rowdee (#39) Private contractors would rely upon "ready" funds ... the inter-connected central banks ability to create and issue currency out of thin air and "choose" who gets funded are directly responsible for global bullying. noone222 posted on 2008-10-05 12:56:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply . . . Comments (42 - 74) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
There's just so much wrong here. The "Israelites" are not just Jews. All Jews (shorthand for members of the tribe of Judah) are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. The Israelites consisted of at least a dozen tribes which occupied what we call the Holy Land today nearly 3,000 years ago. What became of them (the so-called "Lost Tribes") is not really known, but many sects believe they migrated all the way to Europe, the British Isles and eventually North America. And most of those Muthee is singling out in banking "who say they are Jews" are not Israelitish in origin, but are Khazars who converted to Judaism around 1,200 years ago.
The "Israelites" are not just Jews. All Jews (shorthand for members of the tribe of Judah) are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. The Israelites consisted of at least a dozen tribes which occupied what we call the Holy Land today nearly 3,000 years ago.
What became of them (the so-called "Lost Tribes") is not really known, but many sects believe they migrated all the way to Europe, the British Isles and eventually North America.
And most of those Muthee is singling out in banking "who say they are Jews" are not Israelitish in origin, but are Khazars who converted to Judaism around 1,200 years ago.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Sam Houston posted on 2008-10-04 16:40:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Sounds superstitious to me.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 16:41:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
The Rev. Zipporah Ndiritu, who studied under Muthee in the Kiambu, Kenya-based Word of Faith Church, said the bishop is revered among evangelicals there. In a phone interview from Mombasa, Kenya, she said church doctrine focuses on ridding the world of demons — and witches. Now we know what happened to our ZIP !!!
Now we know what happened to our ZIP !!!
noone222 posted on 2008-10-04 16:41:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
It seems this Muthee is NOT her pastor, but rather a visiting pastor/evangelist.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-04 21:31:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
You're saying that makes her less likely to be a Christian Zionist holy rolling rapture believer, somehow? She was happy to have him praying demands to God over her gubernatorial candidacy. I don't care if she's religious deep down in her heart or not. Her story reminds me too much of Bush's "conversion" to Christianity, and his continual obeisance to Israel.
I don't care if she's religious deep down in her heart or not. Her story reminds me too much of Bush's "conversion" to Christianity, and his continual obeisance to Israel.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 21:36:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Its high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. Thats what we are waiting for. Thats part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the — you know — if you look at the Israelites, thats how they work. And thats how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, that the top transporters (?) in the lands, we see, you know, the bankers, we see the people holding the parts (?), they are believers, we will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies." Sure doesn't seem like he's against the Israelites/Jews here........sheesh. He's saying that its about time we have christian men and women who have integrity running the nations economics.......its part of 'transformataion'.......just look at the israelites === that is what they do (run economies).... that is how they are even today, and if we'll see that they are the top transporters (whatever the hell that is).....that they are believers, we won't have the crap we have in our societies now---in other words, take a lesson from the Israelites/Jews.........they're already doing it (which must be a good thing if christians are to be doing it) Very confusing sentence structures and language styles in the quote, making it hard to explain.
Its high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. Thats what we are waiting for. Thats part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the — you know — if you look at the Israelites, thats how they work. And thats how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, that the top transporters (?) in the lands, we see, you know, the bankers, we see the people holding the parts (?), they are believers, we will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies."
Sure doesn't seem like he's against the Israelites/Jews here........sheesh.
He's saying that its about time we have christian men and women who have integrity running the nations economics.......its part of 'transformataion'.......just look at the israelites === that is what they do (run economies).... that is how they are even today, and if we'll see that they are the top transporters (whatever the hell that is).....that they are believers, we won't have the crap we have in our societies now---in other words, take a lesson from the Israelites/Jews.........they're already doing it (which must be a good thing if christians are to be doing it)
Very confusing sentence structures and language styles in the quote, making it hard to explain.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-04 21:41:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
My problem with Pentecostal types is that they think Israel is holy. They may not even care about Jews at all, but they're still more interested in Jerusalem than their own neighborhoods. When Palin says she loves Israel, I believe her.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 21:48:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
You're saying that makes her less likely to be a Christian Zionist holy rolling rapture believer, somehow? She was happy to have him praying demands to God over her gubernatorial candidacy. I don't care if she's religious deep down in her heart or not. Her story reminds me too much of Bush's "conversion" to Christianity, and his continual obeisance to Israel. Cripes alfriday!! I'm not saying a fucking thing, beyond the fact that the guy is NOT her pastor.........the headline of this article is an attempt to portray the guy as being the pastor of the church where she gets her religious pastoral care.......and that is wrong. How can you possibly read all the bullshit you responded with into the mere words that muthee is not her pastor? You seeem hellbent to be on a bear hunt, so get it out of your system and get over yourself.And noiw that you brought it up, what exactly is wrong with getting all the prayers that you can? I've witnessed the power of prayer and what it can do, so oI don't make light of it.Its too bad you don't care whether she is relighous or not.........it reflects badly on you. Its Gods desire that all be saved, but they won't be. But it is God who will doing the judging, not we mere mortals. You are more than welcome to hate Israel, hate Jews, hate anyone and everyone.......it will eat you alive eventually.Good luck......
Cripes alfriday!! I'm not saying a fucking thing, beyond the fact that the guy is NOT her pastor.........the headline of this article is an attempt to portray the guy as being the pastor of the church where she gets her religious pastoral care.......and that is wrong.
How can you possibly read all the bullshit you responded with into the mere words that muthee is not her pastor?
You seeem hellbent to be on a bear hunt, so get it out of your system and get over yourself.
And noiw that you brought it up, what exactly is wrong with getting all the prayers that you can? I've witnessed the power of prayer and what it can do, so oI don't make light of it.
Its too bad you don't care whether she is relighous or not.........it reflects badly on you. Its Gods desire that all be saved, but they won't be. But it is God who will doing the judging, not we mere mortals.
You are more than welcome to hate Israel, hate Jews, hate anyone and everyone.......it will eat you alive eventually.
Good luck......
rowdee posted on 2008-10-04 21:48:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Your problem is that people don't march in lock step with you.......Sorry, but that is exactly how I see it.IT seems you respect nothing but what is in lock step with you.So be it.........it is your burden to bear, not mind. Regards.........
Sorry, but that is exactly how I see it.
IT seems you respect nothing but what is in lock step with you.
So be it.........it is your burden to bear, not mind.
Regards.........
rowdee posted on 2008-10-04 21:50:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Evangelical Christians put George W. Bush in the White house twice. That's our entire nation's cross to bear.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 21:58:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
When Palin says she loves Israel, I believe her. I do too. I'm sick of those who shill for Israel because for no other reason they have been taught to believe they are God's chosen people. They may be or they may not be. I really don't know nor do I care. I'm saddened by those who look at Israel and believe they can do no wrong. If they bomb women and children in the gaza strip, in lebanon, syria or whereever else they have, they have a blind following who see nothing wrong with Israel killing women and children in other ME countries. But when any of their little darlings get killed, well that is just God awful and those responsible aren't civilized or even human. This is the kind of shit that keeps the violence growing. Without the almighty FRN's given to Israel every year, they would have vanished as a country along time ago. As a country we support them financially, militarily, and politically even when they are clearly out of control and the aggressor. Is it any wonder we are hated as much as they are? If we had given even 10% of the Israeli annual aid to other countries in the middle east, just think how much goodwill that would do towards building respect for the USA instead of disdain. ......and lest any of you bleeding Israeli hearts should forget, it wasn't any muslim country that bombed the U.S.S. Liberty during the six day war. It was your jooish brothers who hold us in contempt also.They say money is the root of all evil and we keep giving it to Israel and they keep doing evil things with it. Aren't you so glad you love and support them?
When Palin says she loves Israel, I believe her.
I do too.
I'm sick of those who shill for Israel because for no other reason they have been taught to believe they are God's chosen people. They may be or they may not be. I really don't know nor do I care.
I'm saddened by those who look at Israel and believe they can do no wrong. If they bomb women and children in the gaza strip, in lebanon, syria or whereever else they have, they have a blind following who see nothing wrong with Israel killing women and children in other ME countries. But when any of their little darlings get killed, well that is just God awful and those responsible aren't civilized or even human. This is the kind of shit that keeps the violence growing.
Without the almighty FRN's given to Israel every year, they would have vanished as a country along time ago. As a country we support them financially, militarily, and politically even when they are clearly out of control and the aggressor. Is it any wonder we are hated as much as they are? If we had given even 10% of the Israeli annual aid to other countries in the middle east, just think how much goodwill that would do towards building respect for the USA instead of disdain.
......and lest any of you bleeding Israeli hearts should forget, it wasn't any muslim country that bombed the U.S.S. Liberty during the six day war. It was your jooish brothers who hold us in contempt also.They say money is the root of all evil and we keep giving it to Israel and they keep doing evil things with it. Aren't you so glad you love and support them?
LACUMO posted on 2008-10-04 22:18:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I don't think Dee falls into that category. She's rightfully critical of my frustration, but it remains. The right should focus on our liberties; instead they obsess for a phony manifestation of family values, against flag burning, and occupy our blood and treasure in fighting Israel's wars. Those who claim to be the most patriotic are the ones who can shackle horrible legislation and government bureaucracy on to the backs of the American people.
Those who claim to be the most patriotic are the ones who can shackle horrible legislation and government bureaucracy on to the backs of the American people.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 22:30:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Evangelical Christians put George W. Bush in the White house twice. That's our entire nation's cross to bear. Partly true. There was also help from the SCOUS, Diedold black voting(rigged) boxes, and a lot of crooked members in the RNC.
Partly true. There was also help from the SCOUS, Diedold black voting(rigged) boxes, and a lot of crooked members in the RNC.
LACUMO posted on 2008-10-04 22:30:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Yes, an echo surely of Dee's position that I'm too narrow in my focus. But I actually have a faint hope that American Christians will realize that Israel is far less valuable soil than our own. (I don't have much hope that the left will stop coddling Bolshevism.)
buckeye posted on 2008-10-04 22:32:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Big deal...........so they went out and voted ..... just like all other 'merikans, and some illegals, too, were able to cast a vote. OTOH, everyone it seems like wants to swear we don't even hae to vote--that the elections are all rigged.Doesn't seem like it can be both ways, does it......a confusing world we live in.
Doesn't seem like it can be both ways, does it......a confusing world we live in.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 0:15:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Who yanked yer chain, lacumo? Its obvious on this thread and others where buckeye comes from. And there is nothing contained in this thread that would suggest I am a bleeding heart liberal evangelicalIsrael lover.I will absolutely concede you will not see me ranting and raving like others do re Israel/Jews/the rapture/second coming/whatever........quite frankly, I haven't made up my mind about the matter. Absolutely, there are things I don't like them doing, just as there are things I don't like the Arabs doing..........hells bells, theres a ton of things I don't like us doing.But I'm sickened to death of all the boohooing, the naysaying, the haters, the bullshitters, the whiners, the moaners, and all the rest who lay every friggin thing that ever went wrong in this old world on the shoulders of Jews or Israelites. Period. They've damned near convinced me that my brittle fingernails are because some Joo did something 27x around some flagpole over in a country we can't find on a map in the dead of winter, just before midnight.There.........now you can call me a nut!
I will absolutely concede you will not see me ranting and raving like others do re Israel/Jews/the rapture/second coming/whatever........quite frankly, I haven't made up my mind about the matter. Absolutely, there are things I don't like them doing, just as there are things I don't like the Arabs doing..........hells bells, theres a ton of things I don't like us doing.
But I'm sickened to death of all the boohooing, the naysaying, the haters, the bullshitters, the whiners, the moaners, and all the rest who lay every friggin thing that ever went wrong in this old world on the shoulders of Jews or Israelites. Period. They've damned near convinced me that my brittle fingernails are because some Joo did something 27x around some flagpole over in a country we can't find on a map in the dead of winter, just before midnight.
There.........now you can call me a nut!
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 0:24:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
In case it wasn't clear, I blame Americans for our problems. That's why I'm disgusted with the lot of Evangelicals and Catholics who will be voting for Palin. It's a vote for Bush III2 I think you'll agree with me that things have gotten much worse under Bush than ever in our lifetimes.
I think you'll agree with me that things have gotten much worse under Bush than ever in our lifetimes.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 0:27:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I suspect it seems worse, buckeye, because we have the access to all this information that we never had before, or that would have taken ages to have located.And with a sense of urgency--i.e., to get the country turned around, we tend to think things are worse than they are. I still remember double digit interest rates....and a president that wanted to micro manage the whole government........nice guy with a nice smile, but we had long gas lines, and terribly frustratiaon rates.The older you get the worst things seem, too.I have about reached the point where I feel like ol Rhett Butler, and frankly don't give a damn. :) Whats going to be is going to be. I can bitch about government all day.........but when I see stories about women cooking their babies in a microwave, or a man setting fire to his parents while they're sleeping (and the mother is a doublel amputee), and I hear that millions of unborn are being slaughtered yearly........suddenly the friggin government matter falls way behind---our society is failing, not because of government, though government isn't helping matters. You can't have a society worthy of living in when there is no value on human life---and that means the cititizens themselves placing values, not the gubmint.
And with a sense of urgency--i.e., to get the country turned around, we tend to think things are worse than they are. I still remember double digit interest rates....and a president that wanted to micro manage the whole government........nice guy with a nice smile, but we had long gas lines, and terribly frustratiaon rates.
The older you get the worst things seem, too.
I have about reached the point where I feel like ol Rhett Butler, and frankly don't give a damn. :)
Whats going to be is going to be.
I can bitch about government all day.........but when I see stories about women cooking their babies in a microwave, or a man setting fire to his parents while they're sleeping (and the mother is a doublel amputee), and I hear that millions of unborn are being slaughtered yearly........suddenly the friggin government matter falls way behind---our society is failing, not because of government, though government isn't helping matters.
You can't have a society worthy of living in when there is no value on human life---and that means the cititizens themselves placing values, not the gubmint.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 0:37:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Whats going to be is going to be. What we leave behind is forever. What we permit to exist and remain is our eternal legacy. I do care very much about that. I was handed diamonds when I was born. I'll be damned if I'm going to lose a one of them.
What we leave behind is forever. What we permit to exist and remain is our eternal legacy. I do care very much about that. I was handed diamonds when I was born. I'll be damned if I'm going to lose a one of them.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 0:42:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
There won't be any going back; unfortunately life doesn't operate that way. Its interesting to be saying this because I just had a discussion a couple of days back with my Mother about not being able to turn back the hands of time to a better time. She was lamenting all these new fandangled tv remote controls and wanting it like in the good old days, when you either walked across the room and changed the channel, or just a basic remote that wnet up and down on the channels and on the volume!!!I've not said I'd forget about the way it was OR the way it should be......but a l-man or 2-man army isn't going to bring it back.Look what happened on this board because everyone seemed to have a wee bit different idea or outlook--that wasn't pretty......and that was within a bunch of people that seemingly were much more knowledgable about this stuff than the man on the street.
I've not said I'd forget about the way it was OR the way it should be......but a l-man or 2-man army isn't going to bring it back.
Look what happened on this board because everyone seemed to have a wee bit different idea or outlook--that wasn't pretty......and that was within a bunch of people that seemingly were much more knowledgable about this stuff than the man on the street.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 0:48:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
If we had given even 10% of the Israeli annual aid to other countries in the middle east, just think how much goodwill that would do towards building respect for the USA instead of disdain. What if the politicians could get it through their head that the Constitution doesn't authorize them to dole out foreign aid TO ANYONE? That Americans have the right to donate as much of their own money to anyone they choose to but the government has no authority whatsoever to do that because it is theft? I know it is a novel idea for them to pay any attention to the Constitution but they do take an oath to do just that.
If we had given even 10% of the Israeli annual aid to other countries in the middle east, just think how much goodwill that would do towards building respect for the USA instead of disdain.
What if the politicians could get it through their head that the Constitution doesn't authorize them to dole out foreign aid TO ANYONE? That Americans have the right to donate as much of their own money to anyone they choose to but the government has no authority whatsoever to do that because it is theft? I know it is a novel idea for them to pay any attention to the Constitution but they do take an oath to do just that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-05 1:09:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
They say money is the root of all evil Who are "they"? That is not what the Bible says at all. It says that the love of money is the root of all evil. Money is neither intrinsically good or evil, it is an inanimate object and the means to trade that is a bit more convenient than bartering for the things you need.
They say money is the root of all evil
Who are "they"? That is not what the Bible says at all. It says that the love of money is the root of all evil. Money is neither intrinsically good or evil, it is an inanimate object and the means to trade that is a bit more convenient than bartering for the things you need.
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-05 1:11:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
But I'm sickened to death of all the boohooing, the naysaying, the haters, the bullshitters, the whiners, the moaners, and all the rest who lay every friggin thing that ever went wrong in this old world on the shoulders of Jews or Israelites. Period. They've damned near convinced me that my brittle fingernails are because some Joo did something 27x around some flagpole over in a country we can't find on a map in the dead of winter, just before midnight. Excellent post. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man is not limited by geographical boundaries, there is more than enough of it--way too much of it--everywhere.
Excellent post. Man's inhumanity to his fellow man is not limited by geographical boundaries, there is more than enough of it--way too much of it--everywhere.
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-05 1:14:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Brickner described terrorist attacks on Israelis as Gods judgment of unbelief on Jews who have not converted to Christianity. What terrorist attacks? When you fight back against an oppressor and murderer of your people you are a terrorist? The only terrorist attacks over there are by the state of Israel. God's judgment on unbelievers has NOT occurred yet, if it had they would know it.
Brickner described terrorist attacks on Israelis as Gods judgment of unbelief on Jews who have not converted to Christianity.
What terrorist attacks?
When you fight back against an oppressor and murderer of your people you are a terrorist? The only terrorist attacks over there are by the state of Israel. God's judgment on unbelievers has NOT occurred yet, if it had they would know it.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2008-10-05 5:04:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
They say money is the root of all evil Damn James you are right on two counts. It is the bible that says the love of money is the root of all evil. A person of lesser intelligence than you probably wouldn't have caught my errors. It is good that we have someone with a little gray matter between the ears on here to keep us straight.
Damn James you are right on two counts. It is the bible that says the love of money is the root of all evil. A person of lesser intelligence than you probably wouldn't have caught my errors. It is good that we have someone with a little gray matter between the ears on here to keep us straight.
LACUMO posted on 2008-10-05 6:49:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
There won't be any going back; unfortunately life doesn't operate that way. I think my goals are reasonable. Realistically, I'm not pushing to restore America's non-political traditions. I'm optimistic about restoring liberty, at least to one degree or another. Much of it has been lost since Bush I (41) entered the White house. Senate intelligence reform during the Ford and Carter administrations, and the reduction in military spending we experienced during the Carter and Clinton administrations were both massive improvements to our personal liberty and national economy. Similar actions today are within our grasp. Limiting immigration is an ideal way to reduce the perceived need for intense "reich" security measures like Homeland Security. Limiting immigration would also give us the ability to transmit our traditions to newcomers already here, who have scarcely had any pressure to adopt our way of life. This is a fairly popular solution, and has already been implemented to a small degree under Bush II as a token of insincere goodwill. Ron Paul's four step agenda would be achievable if moderate liberals and conservatives would look further than their selected TV news sources for information. Reform America's debt-based monetary policy or even end the Fed. Balance the federal budget. End American foreign interventionism. Restore privacy and other constitutional civil liberties. These are significant, and much of what we lament in terms of lost values and tradition could blossom naturally under such conditions. It will take more than a few people striving to accomplish these things. I suspect that disappointment over an Obama or McCain administration's failed promises may be the catalyst that is required. I think we need to think on the four-step agenda over the long haul. It's really just getting started, and momentum could take decades to achieve. Your mother's lament over newfangled AV technologies, for us, could become a lament over the bad old days when tyrants had taken our rights on paper, and how we had to restore them with great sacrifice and effort.
There won't be any going back; unfortunately life doesn't operate that way.
I think my goals are reasonable. Realistically, I'm not pushing to restore America's non-political traditions. I'm optimistic about restoring liberty, at least to one degree or another. Much of it has been lost since Bush I (41) entered the White house. Senate intelligence reform during the Ford and Carter administrations, and the reduction in military spending we experienced during the Carter and Clinton administrations were both massive improvements to our personal liberty and national economy. Similar actions today are within our grasp.
Limiting immigration is an ideal way to reduce the perceived need for intense "reich" security measures like Homeland Security. Limiting immigration would also give us the ability to transmit our traditions to newcomers already here, who have scarcely had any pressure to adopt our way of life. This is a fairly popular solution, and has already been implemented to a small degree under Bush II as a token of insincere goodwill.
Ron Paul's four step agenda would be achievable if moderate liberals and conservatives would look further than their selected TV news sources for information.
It will take more than a few people striving to accomplish these things. I suspect that disappointment over an Obama or McCain administration's failed promises may be the catalyst that is required.
I think we need to think on the four-step agenda over the long haul. It's really just getting started, and momentum could take decades to achieve. Your mother's lament over newfangled AV technologies, for us, could become a lament over the bad old days when tyrants had taken our rights on paper, and how we had to restore them with great sacrifice and effort.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 6:54:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
What if the politicians could get it through their head that the Constitution esn't authorize them to dole out foreign aid TO ANYONE? Of course it doesn't allow for foreign aid to any country but since when do our pols follow the Constitution and govern by it. Regardless, they keep greasing the palms of the joos in Israel and that doesn't sit well with the rest of the countries in the middle east. By the way james, if you keep nitpicking what I write, I'm gonna have christine make you thechecker,exchecker or something on this forum.
What if the politicians could get it through their head that the Constitution esn't authorize them to dole out foreign aid TO ANYONE?
Of course it doesn't allow for foreign aid to any country but since when do our pols follow the Constitution and govern by it. Regardless, they keep greasing the palms of the joos in Israel and that doesn't sit well with the rest of the countries in the middle east.
By the way james, if you keep nitpicking what I write, I'm gonna have christine make you thechecker,exchecker or something on this forum.
LACUMO posted on 2008-10-05 6:57:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
A person of lesser intelligence than you probably wouldn't have caught my errors. It is good that we have someone with a little gray matter between the ears on here to keep us straight. I am always happy to help out the less fortunate. You're welcome.
A person of lesser intelligence than you probably wouldn't have caught my errors. It is good that we have someone with a little gray matter between the ears on here to keep us straight.
I am always happy to help out the less fortunate. You're welcome.
James Deffenbach posted on 2008-10-05 12:01:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
You can make all the changes you wish....but until the heart/conscience of mankind is changed, it will be only superficial and last but moments in time. What you would change to suit your way of thinking, the next guy will come along and change it to something else --I'm sure you're aware that simply because a law is written this year does not guarantee it will last forever (nor a constitution, for that matter)--the next congress can change that law, or any other law at their whim. As I noted, what good is a 'no central bank' system if people are killing each other right and left over any reason, every reason, or simply no reason? Ya wanna say, hey, we've got a great no central banking system and when the people quit killing each other, they'll realize thats a good thing?Makes no sense to me.I can understand well your desire to have a nation that is even half- based on the Constitution upon which it is supposed to operate. I'd love that, too.........but you know what they say about that damned barn door and the horse! I'm not going to let it get to me, to let it eat me alive, to make me hateful and bitter. The nation has made its bed (sold its soul seemingly), so now it has to lie in it (suffer the consequences)........that it goes under is not the end of the world, though it could be IF God decides it is. BUt I ain't gonna worry about that, either. Que sera, sera.
As I noted, what good is a 'no central bank' system if people are killing each other right and left over any reason, every reason, or simply no reason? Ya wanna say, hey, we've got a great no central banking system and when the people quit killing each other, they'll realize thats a good thing?
Makes no sense to me.
I can understand well your desire to have a nation that is even half- based on the Constitution upon which it is supposed to operate. I'd love that, too.........but you know what they say about that damned barn door and the horse! I'm not going to let it get to me, to let it eat me alive, to make me hateful and bitter. The nation has made its bed (sold its soul seemingly), so now it has to lie in it (suffer the consequences)........that it goes under is not the end of the world, though it could be IF God decides it is. BUt I ain't gonna worry about that, either. Que sera, sera.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:08:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I think we need to think on the four-step agenda over the long haul. It's really just getting started, and momentum could take decades to achieve. Bless your heart, buckeye.........I'm glad someone has all those decades in which they want to work at changing government. How old are you.....17? 18? I can't say that.......I'm at the other end of the spectrum, and I don't plan to spend whatever 'decades' I have left trying to get sheeple to wake up--at least not in any sort of activist role. Those days are behind me. I no longer consider putting important value on 'man made'......
I think we need to think on the four-step agenda over the long haul. It's really just getting started, and momentum could take decades to achieve.
Bless your heart, buckeye.........I'm glad someone has all those decades in which they want to work at changing government. How old are you.....17? 18? I can't say that.......I'm at the other end of the spectrum, and I don't plan to spend whatever 'decades' I have left trying to get sheeple to wake up--at least not in any sort of activist role. Those days are behind me. I no longer consider putting important value on 'man made'......
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:13:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
God's judgment on unbelievers has NOT occurred yet, if it had they would know it. God punished unblieving Israelites all the time in the O/T. I think Brickner's statement is a bit of a stretch as it regards 'because they didn't convert to chr5istianity, because the Bible indicates they will when Messiah returns.They were unbelieving and disobeying God's instructions--that is why they went thru so many diasporas. And from my reading of Scripture and other materials, they still owned the land, but God refused to let them possess it.
God's judgment on unbelievers has NOT occurred yet, if it had they would know it.
God punished unblieving Israelites all the time in the O/T. I think Brickner's statement is a bit of a stretch as it regards 'because they didn't convert to chr5istianity, because the Bible indicates they will when Messiah returns.
They were unbelieving and disobeying God's instructions--that is why they went thru so many diasporas. And from my reading of Scripture and other materials, they still owned the land, but God refused to let them possess it.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:20:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
As I noted, what good is a 'no central bank' system if people are killing each other right and left over any reason, every reason, or simply no reason? Usury at a federal level leverages the ability to kill to a massive level. Individuals may deviate from the norm, and you may read about it in the papers or see it on TV. But when the Federal Reserve funds a war, millions can die. Hundreds of thousands can be raped, and scores of thousands of children can suffer terribly. This is on our conscience. I know you're getting tired, but thankfully you're not too tired to stop in and advise us when we get too anxious. Dum spiro spero.
As I noted, what good is a 'no central bank' system if people are killing each other right and left over any reason, every reason, or simply no reason?
Usury at a federal level leverages the ability to kill to a massive level. Individuals may deviate from the norm, and you may read about it in the papers or see it on TV. But when the Federal Reserve funds a war, millions can die. Hundreds of thousands can be raped, and scores of thousands of children can suffer terribly.
This is on our conscience. I know you're getting tired, but thankfully you're not too tired to stop in and advise us when we get too anxious.
Dum spiro spero.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 12:21:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
God punished unblieving Israelites all the time in the O/T Punishment and judgment are two different things. The present state of Israel has experienced neither. Dead Jews can't convert to Christianity and I see nowhere in the Bible where it says all the live ones will convert to Christianity when Jesus returns. Also the Bible is referring to real Jews, not the pretenders in Israel today.
God punished unblieving Israelites all the time in the O/T
Punishment and judgment are two different things. The present state of Israel has experienced neither. Dead Jews can't convert to Christianity and I see nowhere in the Bible where it says all the live ones will convert to Christianity when Jesus returns. Also the Bible is referring to real Jews, not the pretenders in Israel today.
RickyJ posted on 2008-10-05 12:27:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
So without the federal reserve, we wouldn't be killing in other countries........yet it would continue nonstop here, just as others in other countries would continiue the killing there.Changing a banking system is not going to change the heart of mankind.......where there is a chance to grab power, there are many waiting for the chance. And power is, in the hands of man, generally not good--might be for a few, but by and large not. Money is nto the only way to obtain power.......but it is a powerful aphrodesiac.
Changing a banking system is not going to change the heart of mankind.......where there is a chance to grab power, there are many waiting for the chance. And power is, in the hands of man, generally not good--might be for a few, but by and large not. Money is nto the only way to obtain power.......but it is a powerful aphrodesiac.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:27:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Changing a banking system is not going to change the heart of mankind... The point of our constitutional government was to limit the excesses of men, and it indeed worked for a time. We have a system for magnifying them in the Fed. These things have consequences. Men will be men, but when we give them fractional reserve banking and unlimited access to credit, all hell breaks loose. It's a worthy fight, even if it's only going to result in small reforms.
Changing a banking system is not going to change the heart of mankind...
The point of our constitutional government was to limit the excesses of men, and it indeed worked for a time. We have a system for magnifying them in the Fed. These things have consequences. Men will be men, but when we give them fractional reserve banking and unlimited access to credit, all hell breaks loose. It's a worthy fight, even if it's only going to result in small reforms.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 12:31:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Building the military necessary to (attempt) world dominance requires currency that can be created instantly, and lots of it. I think you're right that it (killing in general) could (and in most cases would) continue on a much more local level. Only a change in the people's thinking will stop wars.
I think you're right that it (killing in general) could (and in most cases would) continue on a much more local level. Only a change in the people's thinking will stop wars.
noone222 posted on 2008-10-05 12:35:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I don't presume to know what blood flows through each and every Jew in Israel....nor do I presume to know their heart. To be punished, God would have judged that they did not do as they were supposed to do.......otherwise it would be an odd God that would punish first, doncha think? Of course, this is not the final judgement."Real Jews".........was Jesus a real Jew? I ask because he came along long after the diaspora to Babylon, and certainly the Assyrian diaspora.Furthermore, there were jewish communities in many cities all over the place before the Khazar storyline. So exactly how do you determine who has the right 'blood'.......and are you speaking religiously or ethnically/racially? And lets see your proof that each and every one of them are not 'jews'.
To be punished, God would have judged that they did not do as they were supposed to do.......otherwise it would be an odd God that would punish first, doncha think? Of course, this is not the final judgement.
"Real Jews".........was Jesus a real Jew? I ask because he came along long after the diaspora to Babylon, and certainly the Assyrian diaspora.
Furthermore, there were jewish communities in many cities all over the place before the Khazar storyline. So exactly how do you determine who has the right 'blood'.......and are you speaking religiously or ethnically/racially? And lets see your proof that each and every one of them are not 'jews'.
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:37:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Do you truly believe you can recapture the early days of the Constitution? Truly? Because if you do, I'll sell you the London Bridge pretty cheap-- special deal cause you're a friend and all that..........
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:40:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I would imagine a corp of private contractors would work nicely...... :)
rowdee posted on 2008-10-05 12:45:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I believe we can improve our situation if we try. I believe that not trying is not an option.
buckeye posted on 2008-10-05 12:46:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Private contractors would rely upon "ready" funds ... the inter-connected central banks ability to create and issue currency out of thin air and "choose" who gets funded are directly responsible for global bullying.
noone222 posted on 2008-10-05 12:56:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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