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Title: Sarah Palin's pastor exorcises witches, condemns Jew Bankers
Source: YT/MSNBC
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esSAVnn2ye0
Published: Oct 4, 2008
Author: AntiConformist911/Olberman
Post Date: 2008-10-04 16:06:49 by buckeye
Keywords: None
Views: 974
Comments: 74

Palin once blessed to be free from 'witchcraft' video surfaced Wednesday showing Sarah Palin being blessed in her hometown church three years ago by a Kenyan pastor who prayed for her protection from "witchcraft" as she prepared to seek higher office.

The video shows Palin standing before Bishop Thomas Muthee in the pulpit of the Wasilla Assembly of God church, holding her hands open as he asked Jesus Christ to keep her safe from "every form of witchcraft."

"Come on, talk to God about this woman. We declare, save her from Satan," Muthee said as two attendants placed their hands on Palin's shoulders. "Make her way my God. Bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus. ... Use her to turn this nation the other way around." Palin filed campaign papers a few months later, in October 2005, and was elected governor the next year.

Unlike most other Christians — including most evangelicals — Pentecostals believe in "baptism in the Holy Spirit." That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing, which includes the laying on of hands.

On a visit to the church in June 2008, Palin spoke fondly of the Kenyan pastor and told a group of young missionaries that Muthee's prayers had helped her to become governor.

"Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he's so bold," she said. "And he was praying 'Lord make a way, Lord make a way' ... He said, 'Lord make a way and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened."

The Rev. Zipporah Ndiritu, who studied under Muthee in the Kiambu, Kenya-based Word of Faith Church, said the bishop is revered among evangelicals there. In a phone interview from Mombasa, Kenya, she said church doctrine focuses on ridding the world of demons — and witches.

"Even in the days of Jesus Christ, according to the Bible there were witches who were manifesting through demonic forces," she said. "You can seek from the Lord, and if you find demonic forces you cast them out." http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gv... Sarah Palin has a new problem with Jewish voters. Ive written before about the appearance of Jews for Jesus leader David Brickner at Palins Wasilla Bible Church and how on August 17, 2008, with Palin in the audience, Brickner described terrorist attacks on Israelis as Gods judgment of unbelief on Jews who have not converted to Christianity.

Ive also written about the video of Kenyan witch-hunter Thomas Muthee exorcising witches from Sarah Palin at her church, showing Muthee praying over Sarah Palin and calling on God to make her Alaskas governor, drive away the witches who are attacking her, and saying that the Devil himself is behind the opposition to Palin in the Alaska gubernatorial election.

Now video has surfaced of Rev. Muthee at Palins church again with Palin present and in the video — telling the congregation that the Christians need to take over control of the business world, especially banking, from the Jews ("Israelites").

Heres what Muthee said in his sermon where he told the church congregation "the reasons why" they needed to "pray for Sarah":

The second area whereby God wants us, wants to penetrate in our society is in the economic area. The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. Its high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations. Thats what we are waiting for. Thats part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the — you know — if you look at the Israelites, thats how they work. And thats how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, that the top transporters (?) in the lands, we see, you know, the bankers, we see the people holding the parts (?), they are believers, we will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies." http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid...


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#35. To: rowdee (#34)

Changing a banking system is not going to change the heart of mankind...

The point of our constitutional government was to limit the excesses of men, and it indeed worked for a time. We have a system for magnifying them in the Fed. These things have consequences. Men will be men, but when we give them fractional reserve banking and unlimited access to credit, all hell breaks loose. It's a worthy fight, even if it's only going to result in small reforms.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-05   12:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: rowdee (#34)
(Edited)

Building the military necessary to (attempt) world dominance requires currency that can be created instantly, and lots of it.

I think you're right that it (killing in general) could (and in most cases would) continue on a much more local level. Only a change in the people's thinking will stop wars.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-05   12:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: RickyJ (#33)

I don't presume to know what blood flows through each and every Jew in Israel....nor do I presume to know their heart.

To be punished, God would have judged that they did not do as they were supposed to do.......otherwise it would be an odd God that would punish first, doncha think? Of course, this is not the final judgement.

"Real Jews".........was Jesus a real Jew? I ask because he came along long after the diaspora to Babylon, and certainly the Assyrian diaspora.

Furthermore, there were jewish communities in many cities all over the place before the Khazar storyline. So exactly how do you determine who has the right 'blood'.......and are you speaking religiously or ethnically/racially? And lets see your proof that each and every one of them are not 'jews'.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   12:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeye (#35)

Do you truly believe you can recapture the early days of the Constitution? Truly? Because if you do, I'll sell you the London Bridge pretty cheap-- special deal cause you're a friend and all that..........

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   12:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: noone222 (#36)

I would imagine a corp of private contractors would work nicely...... :)

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   12:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: rowdee (#38)

I believe we can improve our situation if we try. I believe that not trying is not an option.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-05   12:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: rowdee (#39)

Private contractors would rely upon "ready" funds ... the inter-connected central banks ability to create and issue currency out of thin air and "choose" who gets funded are directly responsible for global bullying.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-05   12:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: rowdee (#38)

Do you truly believe you can recapture the early days of the Constitution?

Imagine the critics the founding fathers faced. The British Empire had never been defeated, not really. It was a Leviathan, and functioned like a well-oiled machine when it encountered resistance. Only a small percentage of the colonists wanted to separate from it. They were ridiculed, taunted, and punished at first. But they persisted.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-05   12:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: rowdee (#37)

And lets see your proof that each and every one of them are not 'jews'.

The relevant point would be whether they were ISRAELITES/HEBREWS ... most "jews" today are actually gentiles (ashkenazi descendants of Japeth) that have converted to Judaism, have no ethnic relationship to Abraham (who was not a Jew) or Jacob/Israel (who was not a Jew) ... and are not entitled to claim the inheritance belonging to Israelites.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-05   13:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeye (#42)

The British Empire had never been defeated, not really. It was a Leviathan, and functioned like a well-oiled machine when it encountered resistance.

There are some that might say the Brits weren't defeated here either. That they simply employed a different strategy.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-05   13:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: noone222 (#43)

Superstition. I don't know of any valid genetic proof. In fact, Kevin MacDonald says that there is proof to the contrary. All groups making generally accepted claims to a Jewish heritage have common Jewish genetic markers.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-05   13:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: noone222 (#44)

That they simply employed a different strategy.

If this theory is true, then I'd say it was ineffectual, despite their meddling in our civil war, until the Fed was created.

buckeye  posted on  2008-10-05   13:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: buckeye (#42)

We had a different breed of men--and women--back then, buckeye. I can't fault you, for wanting to try. We've all been through or will go through the 'fire', so to speak, as we try to plot/change the course of rightness/wrongness--at least those who care will.

Stay with your dreams, and hopes.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   13:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: noone222 (#43)

I've not closed the book on this assertion, as I continue to read and study. There is much confusion and bs because of how the words have been intermingled all these years, i.e., Israelite/Hebrew/Jew.

And stick in there ashkenazi and sephardic and khazar and yiddish and all other sorts of 'stuff', like diasporas of both the northern and southern kingdoms--and more than one. And there's a lot to sort through.

In the meantime, I'll refrain from hating and despising, nor will I gush with pride and wishful desire to be a part of the mess.....thats been my position all along. I'm on a quest for truth, as far as I can determine it.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   13:30:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: rowdee (#16)

I'm sickened to death ...all...who lay every friggin thing that ever went wrong in this old world on the shoulders of Jews...or Israelites.

I find this fascinating.

Clearly any investigation of the subject matter implictates zionist jewry as having a despicable hand in the thievery of this nation and other nations in this world and in the advancement of its ills.

Read about the Rothschilds or Trotsky.

Without understanding why and how events transpired, action toward fixing things is futile as it doesn't address the core of the problem. That's why the internet is so valuable to the people and so dangerous to the criminals.

angle  posted on  2008-10-05   13:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeye (#45)

There has certainly been lots of time for inter-breeding between sephardic and ashkenazic people.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-05   14:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: rowdee (#48) (Edited)

Genesis 10

2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and

Ezekiel 38 (doesn't mention ashkenaz directly, but mentions the rest of the Japethetic lineage, Gomer and Togarmah)

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of [a] Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of [b] Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush [c] and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

Genesis simply describes the descendants of Japeth, while Ezekiel describes THE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL in the last times !

noone222  posted on  2008-10-05   14:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: angle (#49)

Oh puleeze............I have read til my eyes have gotten tired. And please note I said 'everything' in this world, not just financial.

I have not written the concept off--either way. I have said I'm sick to death of it, and I maintain that I am sick of it, and will continue to be sick of it. I daresay most do not know whereof they speak, and at best many just utter words they've seen elsewhere, without having done their homework.

This no way implies that you have or haven't......I'm merely stating my opinion--based on observations I've made over time.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   15:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: noone222 (#51)

noone, I've read this............I believe it. And Genesis also says, in 9:27 that God would enlarge Japeth and he would live in the tents of Shem--this was after Shem and Japeth clothed Noah's nakedness. Thus a familial relationship developed between these two tribes.

That said, I've also read where when the kingdoms split that NOT ALL the northern tribes went into exile via Assyria==they went elsewhere, and they went southward, like as towards Judea.

Furthermore, as trade developed, one saw Israelites, including Judeans, forming communities all over the known world..and that was before Christ was born. Do you have information that none of the Judeans went into Europe? Do you have information showing there was no intermarriage between 'shirttail relatives'. Can you prove that everyone in Israel is NOT of the tribe of Judah? Recall that Abraham, as well as Isaac sent for wives for their son(s) or sent the son(s) themselves to marry relatives in PadanAram.

Scriptures talk often about 'remnants'....and that God will not forget the remnants. EVen when Nebuchadnezzar took the Judeans away into Babylon, not all Judeans were taken......some escaped into the desert, and some were left behind, and some were out of the area at the time of Jerusalem being taken.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   16:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeye (#10)

Evangelical Christians put George W. Bush in the White house twice.

That's assuming that the vote was an honest one.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-05   16:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: bluegrass (#54)

it was as honest as bush's declaration of born again christianity.

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christine  posted on  2008-10-05   16:51:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: christine (#55)

LOL!


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-05   17:04:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: bluegrass (#54)

Evangelical Christians put George W. Bush in the White house twice. That's assuming that the vote was an honest one.

Well enough of them brought him close enough anyway. I was stunned to see people in the community have McPalin signs on their front yard, today. Wow, what a mindset.

angle  posted on  2008-10-05   17:43:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: bluegrass (#56)

Can you add a propeller to the Bush beanie???

He was a pilot you know during Vietnam war.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-05   17:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: angle, christine, Cynicom, Tauzero, Lady X (#57)

I was stunned to see people in the community have McPalin signs on their front yard, today.

In my part of the country, the cities nearby are Obama territory with the occasional McCain sign but all of the rural areas sport 100% McCain/Palin signs.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-05   17:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Cynicom (#58)

Bush thinks they're wearing Mouseketeer hats.


Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-05   18:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: rowdee (#53) (Edited)

And Genesis also says, in 9:27 that God would enlarge Japeth and he would live in the tents of Shem--this was after Shem and Japeth clothed Noah's nakedness. Thus a familial relationship developed between these two tribes.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Abraham or promises made to his descendants. [Older Bibles used to have a map that showed Ham locating in Africa, Shem in the Middle-East and Japeth in Eastern Europe/Asia].

Ezekiel 38 is end times prophecy, and this book names the enemies of (true) Israel and it's not likely that the enemy of Israel would be Israel itself, is it ??? You ask for proof that inter-marriages didn't occur. We can assume that they did occur.

The better question regarding "proof" should be asked of those that have invaded and have committed genocide against the Palestinians for the sake of installing some Eastern European/Russian people calling themselves Jews there. These People should have had PROOF that they descended from Abraham if they were to be given land Biblically promised to his descendants. [However, you're mentioning the tribe of Judah indicates that you're thinking that the State of Israel should have been instituted for the benefit of one tribe (maybe 2 if you count Benjamin) of 12 that were to share the promise doesn't it ]?

Can you name one other nation founded by international force in support of a biblical claim ???

International Law has never upheld scriptural claims by force. The UN (God's enemy) has never supported scripture, but mandated this Jew fraud.

Yes, Japeth does reside in the tents of Shem. That's why the Ashkenazi Jews (Japethites) are all over our government.

No one can definitively say that inter-marriages didn't occur. It is pretty common knowledge that they were frowned upon clear up until this generation in America. Marriage licenses were instituted in America to LEGALIZE inter- marriage between blacks and whites, even though there were marriages between Indians and American settlers that weren't LICENSED.

The establishment of the State of Israel should have required definitive proof of the claim made that these people were RETURNING to a land they or their ancestors once occupied. This proof was never required and has never been demonstrated even though millions have died. The Ashkenazi branch weren't converted to Judaism until 750 AD.

Lastly, to institute/impose a SECULAR NATION STATE by invasion and warfare against an indigenous population that can prove they have lived there for well over a thousand years, based upon a religious determination contained in the Torah/Bible, a RELIGIOUS belief system NOT SHARED UNIVERSALLY, based upon an UNWITNESSED PROMISE, made by an INVISIBLE GOD, to a man 4000 years ago IS BEYOND LUDICROUS and most certainly an international CRIME committed by an international bully called the U.S. and Britain.

However, to be completely truthful, Britain had a legitimate claim as the British (Brit-Ish means covenant man in Hebrew) are descendants of Abraham through Isaac, Israel, Judah. I believe they lost their claim based upon promises made to Abraham just like any other nation would if they departed the area for whatever reason.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-05   19:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#58)

Can you add a propeller to the Bush beanie???

He was a pilot you know during Vietnam war.

ROTFLMAO!

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   20:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: noone222 (#61)

Believe as YOU wish, noone........

And a lot of good it does to sit here some 60 odd years later and debate what should/shouldn't/could/couldn't/would/wouldn't be done is what is ludricous. They didn't as you nor I what should have been done, did they?

YOu should recall that Doc said so many times that God has his own way of doing things, and that they are not mans ways. As vehemently as you fight it, there is the chance that this is, indeed, God's will being worked in one of those 'mysterious' ways. He certainly won't be asking you or I for our approval or agreement. Why, we might evene have gotten that damnable Dubya because God was trying to get a point across, or something...........geeze.......imagine that.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-05   20:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: buckeye, blugrass (#0)

Bernhardt would get a kick out of this.

I wasn't going to vote for McCain anyway, but... I simply can't imagine having a funny-talking African pastor.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-06   1:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: rowdee (#8)

And now that you brought it up, what exactly is wrong with getting all the prayers that you can?

Admonishing us not to be like the heathens with their vain repetitions, who think they will be heard for their much speaking -- for the Lord knows of what ye have need before ye ask -- Jesus gave one prayer, today known as the Lord's Prayer.

All else is heathen, IMO.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-06   1:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: rowdee (#29)

but until the heart/conscience of mankind is changed

N.B. There is no word for that in Hebrew, and the Bible says that the nations will be redeemed, not some amorphous mass.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-06   2:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: rowdee (#63)

And a lot of good it does to sit here some 60 odd years later and debate

And a lot of good it does to sit here some 60 odd years later and debate what should/shouldn't/could/couldn't/would/wouldn't be done is what is ludricous. They didn't ask you nor I what should have been done, did they?

There are still people being slaughtered and WW III looms large because of the State of Israel. Palestinian kids throwing rocks at tanks proves that the debate isn't over. Maybe we should ASK even though they haven't asked us. Taxpayers are expected to financially support this foreign state and should have a voice.

My generation is supposed to stand still for the mistakes of those prior generations ??? I think the Federal Reserve System, The Income Tax and the State of Israel are just three examples of errors we have a duty to correct.

What about future generations being forced to accept our errors ? $850 Billion or more bailout of criminal bankers comes immediately to mind.

YOu should recall that Doc said so many times that God has his own way of doing things, and that they are not mans ways. As vehemently as you fight it, there is the chance that this is, indeed, God's will being worked in one of those 'mysterious' ways. He certainly won't be asking you or I for our approval or agreement. Why, we might evene have gotten that damnable Dubya because God was trying to get a point across, or something...........geeze.......imagine that.

This last comment referencing Doc is of a fatalist nature . The conditions causing so much dissatisfaction today exist because so many were willing to accept or go along to get along with bad decisions made in their name. My vehement fight is against those claiming that the State of Israel is fulfillment of scripture. My prayers conclude with "your (God's) will be done, not mine" ... so, please don't confuse my position as one opposed to God's because it is in opposition to those claiming a scriptural basis for establishing the State of Israel.

(Doc also said that we needn't leave our brain at the door). Doc tip-toed around this (Jewish) issue and probably for very good reasons. Being tagged as a proponent of "British- Israelism" or "Christian Identity" being the primary one, in my opinion. He did say "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". [Here I agree with Doc, and am not a Christian Identity or British-Israelism proponent, just a Bible student that thinks it important that we separate God's Will from what scripture states because by confusing the two things we may be imposing our will based upon a false understanding of scripture.] Truth being the all important issue for me since God said "I am Truth".

Whether the State of Israel is God's will or not (which it very well might be) has no bearing upon what the BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS or what people believe or what's acceptable according to man's secular (International) law.

If one is to believe the Bible is God's word, then one should believe what it "actually" says. The end times prophecy of Ezekiel leaves very little room for interpretation as regards who are the enemies of Israel and it happens that they are primarily Japeth's descendants along with the Arabs. To think that these named enemies of Israel are at the same time Israel itself is an impossibility and NOT BIBLICAL.

The scripture that most Christians resort to when confronted about this subject is one where God tells Abraham that anyone cursing "HIS DESCENDANTS" (here most Christians insert the word Jews, which isn't Biblical and Abraham's descendants weren't Jews with the possible exception of the single tribe of Judah) will be cursed. This one scripture being misinterpreted causes many people to ignore the terrible deeds done by the so-called Jews, when Jesus instructed his followers to judge them (everyone) by their deeds. Judge the tree by its fruit. If this is applied to the State of Israel as we know it today it is a poison apple, instituted through fraud and murder by men not God.

The conclusion being drawn amongst Christian/Zionist supporters of the State of Israel while unproven is that modern day Jews are actually descended from Abraham (which according to Christ/God would mean that they would hear Christ's voice but can't because they are not of his and are primarily atheists) and at best would make-up only two of the twelve tribes given the promise.

These disputations relative to scripture should be based upon solid scriptural evidence and not upon interpretations of men. Even then, these scriptural determinations between Christians, even if agreed upon, shouldn't have any more effect upon International Law than other religious writings that are sometimes believed by more people than believe the Bible. In other words, the my God is bigger than your God theory would rule the day and the religious choice of the victor would (and has been) be imposed upon non-believers. [What people choose to believe and what is truth are very often two completely different things aren't they ?]

Let me be clear in what I'm saying. If you were to ask me if I believe that the State of Israel's existence is God's Will, I would answer "it exists so it must be God's Will" with this caveat, it exists by and through fraud contrary to traditional practices of law, defies logic, has man's finger prints all over it, has been a boil upon mankind since its inception, and I don't think it has a basis in scripture. That is not to say it isn't God's Will.

Why, we might evene have gotten that damnable Dubya because God was trying to get a point across

No argument from me about this statement at all. If something exists its difficult, if not impossible, to say it does so in opposition to God's Will. However, just because something might be God's Will doesn't make it scriptural.

We are admonished to study the scriptures to "show ourselves approved". When the issue of Abrahamic Covenant vs. The State of Israel is thoroughly studied we can hardly avoid noticing that the people we call Jews today haven't fulfilled any of the promises contained therein. The tendency within Christianity is to simply accept the teachings of men to the exclusion of scripture. Simply put, God's Will is one thing and Scriptural (documentation) evidence is another.

If, as in your case, you want to believe that the State of Israel is God's Will I wouldn't argue for a second. If you said that the State of Israel as we see it today is scriptural, I'd say I think you're wrong.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-06   5:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: buckeye (#45)

In fact, Kevin MacDonald says that there is proof to the contrary.

Belief is ones personal choice. Kevin says ... ???

noone222  posted on  2008-10-06   9:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Tauzero (#65)

The Lords Prayer is for us to use as our guide for praying. Jesus could never have prayed that prayer because he was sinless.

Asking for God's guidance, or guiding hand, or healing, or that His will be done is not 'vain repetition', nor is praising Him and thanking Him, when it is from a sincere heart.

And yes, He knows our needs before we ask.......the idea is that we acknowledge we need to look to Him for our needs.

Was it heathen when Moses prayed for God's mercy for his people when they screwed up? As I recall, there were lots of prophets praying to intercede for the nation/people Israel.

Were the prayers that Jesus Christ prayed heathen? As I said, what we call the Lord's Prayer was not a prayer He could pray, what with His being a perfect man/God. He prayed in the Garden to God, and He prayed on the cross....and it wasn't this Lord's Prayer that He prayed.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-06   12:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: rowdee (#63) (Edited)

damnable Dubya

Hush your mouth! Thou shalt not take the name of the Dubya in vain.

Dubya IS channeling the audible voice of God every time he speaks. I should say "He speaks" because this may well be the fourth member of the expanded Trinity (the Quad, we now call it). My former Baptist pastor thinks so anyway.

Note Laura's head bowed in prayer as Lord Dubya speaks today. She is modeling for us all how we should worship the Dubya.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-10-06   12:19:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: noone222 (#67)

, as in your case, you want to believe that the State of Israel is God's Will I wouldn't argue for a second. If you said that the State of Israel as we see it today is scriptural, I'd say I think you're wrong

I don't want to believe any preset concept, noone.......I am only searching for the truth.

And as an aside, when I hear/see/read people going bonkers with all the name-calling, label-calling, crap, I turn off to their 'argument' or their 'logic'.......I may eventually arrive at the answer they seemingly have, but I'm sick of all the bullshit and hate one has to wade thru with way too many people to get to their position, or supposed position.

So, if it takes me 20 years, so be it.

The concept that the current state of Israel may be a part of God's plan, may be what we consider fatalistic; no doubt God would think otherwise--as Doc stressed, mans ways are not Gods way.

I don't much give a damn for labeling anything and everything I come across. That Doc presented much of the Lost Tribe information was interesting and informative; I didn't sit here and try to analyze whether he was a zionist, a britishite, or just a man of God. It really isn't important to me. It wouldn't change my opinion of him one way or the other.

You said a lot more, but i don't feel like responding much more this morning..........cheers.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-06   12:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: rowdee (#71)

I don't want to believe any preset concept, noone.......I am only searching for the truth.

And as an aside, when I hear/see/read people going bonkers with all the name-calling, label-calling, crap, I turn off to their 'argument' or their 'logic'

I truly believe you.

I've grown weary of all the religious hatred spewed too. (And truthfully, the more I think I've learned the less I realize I know.

Many of these issues have sane, bright, intelligent people on both sides and shouldn't be reduced to name calling squabbles.

Doc was undeniably a Paulinist and he had a way of being all things to all people as prescribed by Paul.

Rowdee, don't feel like this conversation needs to be extended. All things in their own time is good by me !

noone222  posted on  2008-10-06   12:38:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: rowdee (#69)

Was it heathen when Moses prayed for God's mercy for his people when they screwed up?

Well, it wasn't Christian.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-06   13:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: buckeye, LACUMO (#7)

My problem with Pentecostal types is that they think Israel is holy. They may not even care about Jews at all, but they're still more interested in Jerusalem than their own neighborhoods. When Palin says she loves Israel, I believe her.

Biden and Palin spent a large part of the "debate" congratulating each other for their shared love of Israel, and fighting over who was the more loyal Zionist.

Obama/Biden = Clinton/Gore

McCain/Palin = Bush/Cheney

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-06   13:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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