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Title: Canadian Jewish groups happy about Zundel charges, waiting for conviction
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The Canadian Press
URL Source: http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/050719/w071988.html
Published: Jul 19, 2005
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Post Date: 2005-07-19 23:56:55 by 1776
Keywords: conviction, Canadian, charges,
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BERLIN (CP) - German prosecutors said Tuesday they have charged white supremacist Ernst Zundel with inciting racial hatred, four months after he was deported from Canada. German authorities accuse Zundel of decades of anti-Semitic activities, including repeated denials of the Holocaust - a crime in Germany - in documents and on the Internet. Zundel is "known internationally as a leader of the right-wing scene," prosecutors in the southwestern city of Mannheim said Tuesday in a statement listing 14 examples of alleged incitement. It was unclear when he might face a trial, which Jewish leaders hope will spread awareness of the Holocaust. Zundel was arrested in March on his arrival in Germany after a long legal battle, and remains in jail. He had been detained in Toronto since 2003 under anti-terrorism laws and deported after a Canadian judge ruled his activities a threat to national and international security. The Canadian Jewish Congress said it was glad to hear Zundel had been charged, but said justice will not be served fully until he is convicted. "Certainly we're very pleased that German prosecutors have charged Mr. Zundel," spokesman Len Rudner said from Toronto. "But it's a successful prosecution that will go a long way to completely discrediting Ernst Zundel." Born in Germany in 1939, Zundel emigrated to Canada in 1958 and lived in Toronto and Montreal until 2001. Canadian officials rejected his attempts to obtain citizenship in 1966 and 1994. He moved to Pigeon Forge, Tenn., until he was deported to Canada in 2003 for alleged immigration violations. While Jewish groups in Canada hailed Zundel's deportation, some civil libertarians argued it was a crime against freedom of speech. "Banning ideas - even foolish ones - is just never healthy," Paul Fromm, the president of the Canadian Association for Freedom of Expression, said Tuesday from Toronto after hearing of Zundel's charges. "It's very disappointing and it's sad to see the German government has learned nothing about democracy." German prosecutors obtained an arrest warrant for Zundel in 2003. Because his Holocaust-denying website was available in Germany, he is considered to have been spreading his message to Germans.
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#7. To: christine, Bayonne, robin, Eoghan, Diana, wbales (#0)
Ernst Zundel Formally Charged for Speech 'Crimes' in Germany
Jewish justice. Period. Not western justice.
Just like Nuremberg.
That is the key to understanding what drives them and why they are so successful. Judaism is collectivist. Communism is collectivist. Furthering their group's power with no regard for Americans as individuals is their moral imperative. The way we perceive the role of the individual is completely foreign to them. This is important. Just as foreign as their group=centric ideology is foreign to us. But they know about this major difference in ideology- while Americans are unaware and purposely kept in the dark about it. The ideologies are incompatible, thus the conflict we see in the US today. There can be only 1! American Jews have always supported collectivism in the US and fought against the system we had, that was geared towards the individual. This is because they function well within a system of groups that vie for power and rights. They are the most powerful group on the planet. Having practiced Collectivism for millenia allows them to dominate in such a system. Although only 4% of the population in the US is Jewish, they can wield tremendous power as if the majority- more than the group actually making up the majority. There is a constant campaign, a warlike state, maintained against individuals in the majority to complement the drive for group power. This combo has resulted in the majority in the US being disenfranchised by Jews as a group. Groups like the ADL have 2 functions- increase collective Jewish power, decrease the individual in the majority's power. The goal is to control the US system for their own benefit.
Only Jewish organizations release stats on number of jews in America, consistently they have given two figures, 2% and SIX MILLION, that number again
Yes. The govt keeps no independent stats on the # of Jews in the US. The number is certainly larger than that put out by Jewish groups. Those groups will put out #'s that benefit their group, not honest numbers. That's a given.
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News/Comment; Posted on: 2005-07-20 03:23:23
Ernst Zundel charged with incitement in Germany after extradition from Canada; Jewish groups "happy."
by National Vanguard correspondents
German prosecutors said Tuesday they have charged German-Canadian writer and artist Ernst Zundel with "incitement to racial hatred."
Zundel, who was extradited from Canada earlier this year, is accused of "spreading anti-Semitism and denying the Holocaust," partly in texts distributed via the Internet, prosecutors in the southwestern city of Mannheim stated.
The Canadian Press wire service reports "It was unclear when he might face a trial, which Jewish leaders hope will spread awareness of the Holocaust.... The Canadian Jewish Congress [CJC] said it was glad to hear Zundel had been charged, but said justice will not be served fully until he is convicted."
"Certainly we're very pleased that German prosecutors have charged Mr. Zundel," CJC spokesman Len Rudner said from Toronto. "But it's a successful prosecution that will go a long way to completely discrediting Ernst Zundel."
Kevin Alfred Strom, a spokesman for National Vanguard, a White rights group, disagreed: "Far from 'discrediting' Ernst Zundel, this trial will, more than anything else, discredit the Jewish supremacists who want to restrict free speech and criminalize any criticism of their agenda, and whose 'Holocaust' story is so weak that it cannot stand the light of open debate. It will ensure that Ernst Zundel's name will be remembered centuries from now as a pioneer of free thought and free expression."
Canadian Press story; quotes Paul Fromm
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#9. To: 1776 (#7)
The Canadian Jewish Congress [CJC] said it was glad to hear Zundel had been charged, but said justice will not be served fully until he is convicted."
#12. To: Bayonne (#9)
Jewish justice. Period. Not western justice.
What our fellow readers may not quite grasp is that this is a tribal war and those with a cohesive group strategy, to paraphrase MacDonald, outperform, the individualists of the European-American who is on the way to dodo-hood.
#16. To: 1776 (#12)
#19. To: Bayonne, christine, wbales, robin (#16)
Although only 4% of the population in the US is Jewish
#24. To: 1776 (#19)
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