Title: Live from Nashville... IT's THE TUESDAY NIGHT DEBATE!!! Source:
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This is the official LIVE thread!!!
Feel free to express yourself and, of course, ENJOY THE SHOW!
Feel free to express myself? About the best I can do in that regard is to say that I wouldn't vote for either establishment candidate if someone was holding a gun to my head. Can't stand either one of them and no matter which one of them "wins," America loses.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
Feel free to express myself? About the best I can do in that regard is to say that I wouldn't vote for either establishment candidate if someone was holding a gun to my head. Can't stand either one of them and no matter which one of them "wins," America loses.
amen
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I am what I am but McCain's name is Legion. What's yours?
Cabover Pete.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Let's see how much further they can 'talk down the economy' tonight. DOW 5500 or so is my guess, and then it meanders around that area for another five years. What I am thinking? The country will be gone long before that...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
They're the best and brightest our generation has to offer. Is this the debate where McCain tells Obama he is his father?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
As the Russians say - "Today is a better day. Not better than yesterday, but better than tomorrow!"
I'll have to try to remember that saying.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
with McManchurian we get a delaying action on the destruction of the 2nd Amendment
Legalize marijuana!
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
We can't let the RATS control the White House & Congress. They will go on a socialist rampage of leftwing PC legislation, including sweeping gun laws and higher taxes.
If Obama dies (Heaven forbid...lol )we get Biden, one of the worst Senators ever, party hack and insider
If McCain dies, we get palin an outsider who might see the light
Did anyone count how many times mccain used 'friend' or 'my friend'.......holy smoley, he'd have you think the world was his friend. Got news for him....I ain't his friend!!!
Hundreds of thousands of jobs are created by nuclear energy........sure wish he'd give a bit more detail.....like what sort of jobs--name them, and estimates of how many jobs in each of those categories!
And numbnutz would have 5 million new energy jobs!
Something sounds wrong with Brokaw's voice........like his jaw is broken, or he's got a tooth bothering him--badly, or a bridge or plate is giving him grief. I almost think he had too much to drink, or something........definitely a quiver, or quake, or something of that nature with his voice.
Did anyone count how many times mccain used 'friend' or 'my friend'.......holy smoley, he'd have you think the world was his friend. Got news for him....I ain't his friend!!!
I make a point of not being friends with anyone who can't remember how many houses they have.
Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.
We can't let the RATS control the White House & Congress. They will go on a socialist rampage of leftwing PC legislation, including sweeping gun laws and higher taxes.
Well we've had a dunce in the whitehouse that let everybody and every department run roughshod over the economy, trashed the Constitution, and have engaged in endless expensive wars. Aren't you so proud of this current administration? You sure as hell are and not only proud, but downright mesmerized by them and you are shilling for a mcinsane presidency so it will continue unabated.
None of the four, I repeat, non of the four, I repeat, none of the four, I repeat none of the four are worthy of holding the office of the presidncy of the U.S. Whatever bad you can say about any one of them, you can say just as bad about all of the others including that stupid alaskian bitch. She is so damned dumb she might make bushkie look to have a little intelligence.
We had a chance to right some of the bad things facing this country and the next president when we could have nominated Ron Paul as the republican nominee. You and your jooish brothern that control the MSM have given us the four clowns, two from each wing of our one lousy party and you haven't a clue that we are screwed no matter whichof the four is sitting on the puppets throne. Not a clue!!!!!!
You are one of the flag waving, chest thumping self proclaimed patriots along with millions of your other delusional brothers and sisters who haven't learned a damned thing about how we got into the predicament we are in as a country. Therefore you are not really a patriot at all but really a dumbed down brainwashed pathetic voter; almost a traitor, who doesn't see the trashing of our freedoms and our Constitution by both factions of our one party.
It won't be long until we begin to have Arizona ambushes and or Chicago St. Valentines day massacres added to the Arkancides and the Bushwhackings that have taken place here and abroad since poppybush and friends started us on the march to their new world order and you are willing to keep it going by voting for one of the four pathetic establishment candidates.
I really don't know how enamored you are with mcinsane. My guess is you are getting a little twich in your pants for that ex-sex kitten from alaska. Of course you have plenty of company. How pathetic! Willing to sell out your principles, if you ever had any, by letting your little head overpower your big head. That my friend, is what is called pissholestrung and brainless.
I do give you credit however. You make no bones nor are you burdened by your willingness to settle on the lesser of two evils. We could of had someone to vote for in Ron Paul that understands what has happened and is happening and voters like you are willing to settle for marginal candidates who are willing puppets of those who have taken us to the brink of losing our freedoms and our very country.
Once you vote, keep a low profile. If this country ever has a second revolution, I suspect there are some out there who wouldn't treat you and your kind to kindly. I'll be praying for you to get straightened out and to see how you have been tricked and hoodwinked by those who hate America and want a One World Government.
We can't let the RATS control the White House & Congress. They will go on a socialist rampage of leftwing PC legislation, including sweeping gun laws and higher taxes.
That's the same line of bull that I heard from Bush/Cheney voters back in 2000. I doubt that Gore would have been any better than the garbage that's been in the WH for the past eight years, but I can't imagine him being much worse.
If McCain dies, we get palin an outsider who might see the light
Palin is such an "outsider" that she sounds exactly like Bush or Karl Rove on every single issue.
Some people are incapable of learning from their mistakes. They voted for Bush eight years ago to "stop Gore." Now, they're voting for McCain to "stop Obama," or Obama to "stop McCain." What they don't realize is that no matter what party gets elected, every President we get will be worse than the one before.
Think about how bad Bush 41 was compared to Reagan, how bad Clinton was compared to Bush 41, and how much worse Bush 43 is than Clinton. Both McCain and Obama will make an even bigger mess of things than Bush 43 has done, even if they do it in different ways (McCain by starting World War III, Obama by playing LBJ and creating another "Great Society").
Some people are incapable of learning from their mistakes.
That is so true. Those who can't learn from their mistakes make cheap excuses for their shortcomings. Flintlock is a good example of this. He or she goes out of their way to avoid answering the simplist of questions and are always shooting from the hip trying to convience others to their narrow way of thinking.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
In the mean time, don't forget to turn in your guns when monkey boy Obama demands you do.
A lot of good the Second Amendment will do you when your pals in the GOP expand the Patriot Act and rob you of your First, Fourth, and Fifth amendment rights. I'm sure that you were all for the Patriot Act like all the good 'bots, being too stupid to see that the GOP doesn't give a damn about the Constitution any more than the Democrats do.
Don't forget to check for those "Eye-ranian Terrists" hiding in your house. They're out to get you, and it's a good thing you have Bush and Cheney to protect you from them.
"Health care and solar power are national security concerns." - McCain.
"High gas prices fuel the evil nations like Russia and Iran. Therefore it's a national security concern." - Obama
If you switched the names, would anybody notice?
Goes to show what fools both Obama and McCain's supporters are. If you take a list of quotes from Obama and McCain about the economy or foreign policy and scramble them, nobody would be able to guess which of the two said what.
Why don't you go back to Free Republic where you and your fellow Bushbots can have your GOP circle jerk?
flintlock and his /her kind the best reason why abortion should be legal.
Actually we should not be so hard on flintlock. After years of having his/her head so far up jim robbersome's ass, the brain got a little fried and we are seeing the retarded results.
Why? You fit right in. Anyone who can't see that the Bush administration has caused as much damage to the economy, our relations with other countries, and our liberties as any Democrat is too much of a fool to be worth bothering with.
You're an extremely dull intellect,
If any of your posts contained Nobel Prize winning material, we must have missed them all. It doesn't take a towering intellect to repeat Limbaugh and Hannity talking points like this one:
We can't let the RATS control the White House & Congress. They will go on a socialist rampage of leftwing PC legislation, including sweeping gun laws and higher taxes.
It's just the same crap that I heard from Bush supporters in 2000. If you really think that we could have done any worse than Bush during the past 8 years, you've probably been hibernating the whole time. His administration has been so bad on every front that he makes me miss both his father and Clinton.
with a juvenile sounding screen name.
As opposed to some jackass who tries to sound macho with a name like "Flintlock." Maybe some of us don't take ourselves as seriously as you do.
It's just the same crap that I heard from Bush supporters in 2000.
Look numbnuts
Show me ONCE, anywhere on this forum or ANY OTHER, where I'm a Bush supporter.
Now get back to dreaming about being in a limo on your knees with monkey boy obama
Oh yeah, let me repeat the truth just one last time so it can sink into that little pumpkin head of yours. Are you ready? Do you have paper and a pen so you can take notes? This is important because it's true and it's going to happen if the RATS win.
We can't let the RATS control the White House & Congress. They will go on a socialist rampage of leftwing PC legislation, including sweeping gun laws and higher taxes.
Show me ONCE, anywhere on this forum or ANY OTHER, where I'm a Bush supporter.
I can provide a link where you seem to be supporting McCain, if that helps.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
We can't let the RATS control the White House & Congress. They will go on a socialist rampage of leftwing PC legislation, including sweeping gun laws and higher taxes.
Wher is the money for occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan coming from?
If marijuana were outlawed, only outlaws would be doing bong hits. Time for a bong hit, be right back...
And keep in mind, bong hits dont kill people, ever.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Yeah, I sure sound like an Obama supporter in these posts, don't I, jackass.
I have stated repeatedly on this site that I have no plans to vote for either McCain or Obama. You on the other hand are a declared McCain voter. I'm sure in 2000 you were a Bush voter for the same reasons. When this forum was overrun with Obama shills like that scumbag Mekons (a mirror image of you, only on the Obama side of the aisle, I may add), I spent most of my time arguing with their BS. Now that they're mostly gone and the site is infested with McCain/Palin shills like you, I spend more time attacking McCain.
And when it comes to juvenile posts, calling everyone who criticizes McCain as "monkey boy lover" isn't exactly Shakespeare.
Now run along like a good Republican shill, or else you'll be late for Rush Limbaugh's show.
Like most GOP supporters, Flintlock is too stupid to figure out that the warfare state favored by neocons like McCain costs just as much money as the welfare state supported by Democrats. When McCain decides to invade Iran to protect Israel, that will make the 3 trillion we've spent on Iraq look like loose change.
And where will that money come from? Listen closely, dimwit Flintlock. That's right, from T-A-X-E-S. See if you can get that notion through your head. Wars cost money. The government gets money through taxation. Your McCain wants more wars. Now, can you connect the last dot, or do I have to do it for you?
That's OK if you don't get it. You can just go on calling everyone who disagrees with your bullshit a "crackhead monkey boy lover."
SNL did a good job of skewering everybody without taking partisan sides.
This was an important enough issue that I would overlook all other faults and vote for any candidate who opposed fleecing the taxpayer to bail out Wall Street. Anybody with the guts to tell voters "We will let the banks and insurance companies free fall. Times will be tough, but it will breed financial discipline and build a stronger economy in the long run" would be showing real leadership. But that's obviously asking too much from four political hacks.
The fact that both Obama and McCain supported the W. and Barney show bailout is reason enough to write them both off as political garbage.
YOU truly are a dimwit without the foggiest clue as to how the system really works. I'm not surprised by this, you can't comprehend that a vote for any third party IS THE SAME AS A VOTE FOR OBAMA It will be daydreaming fools like you who will put him in the White House.
You also have no clue as to how our global wars are being financed, how they were designed to be financed from the beginning. Read the works of Thomas Barnett (the architect of this whole mess)if you want to understand it.
But, you don't care do you? There's just too much hate in your heart to try to give America 4 more years of possible gridlock, while praying for a miracle.
I don't hate this country, I don't want to see it turned into a socialist cesspool any faster than it has to.
There's just too much hate in your heart to try to give America 4 more years of possible gridlock, while praying for a miracle.
Hate? Frustration with the fact that in a country of 300 million people, a "choice" between McCain and Obama is the best that we can do.
But I'm pleased that you've finally conceded that I am not an Obama supporter. In fairness, I concede that it wasn't entirely honest of me to call you a Bush shill, and I apologize for doing so. It's easy to lose one's temper behind the anonymity of an internet site, I'm sure that we'd both be much more civil in person.
I do get tired of hearing how a third party vote is a "vote for Obama." It is just as easily a "vote for McCain," because it's a close race. I see absolutely no reason to prefer one candidate to another at this point, none.
When Obummer first hit the scene, as JT said, the only thing we knew about him was that he's black and said he was against the war. Now that he licks the boots of AIPAC and promises to send troops into Pakistan, that eliminates the only possible reason that he would be "the lesser evil." I wrote him off a long time ago.
As for McCain, you might say he's a lesser evil because he supports lower taxes and fiscal conservatism. You probably recall that George W. Bush promised the exact same thing eight years ago. Where did "GOP fiscal responsibility" leave us? He inherited a surplus and turned it into a record deficit. He spent 3 billion in Iraq. How much do you think McCain's wars will cost? How will they be paid for? Through deficit spending, followed by either a devaluation of the currency or massive tax hikes. And as I said on Ferret Mike's latest Obama cheerleading thread, Obama and McCain are on the same page on the bailout. That eliminates the ONLY possible reason McCain might be the "lesser evil." Add to that the fact that he's not in the best of health, and his VP is a holy-rolling moonbat who thinks that God ordained us to attack Iraq.
As for strategic voting for gridlock, that sounds like a good idea, if it were true. Sure, having a Republican executive and Democratic legislature (or vice versa) helps create gridlock when the argue about stupid issues like school prayer. But partisanship disappears on the important issues - like starting wars or bailing out Wall Street.
The only part of your post I agree with is the "praying for a miracle" part. That's about all we have left.
I don't want to see it turned into a socialist cesspool any faster than it has to.
You I suspect would prefer to see it in flames.
it already is a socialist cesspool with both branches of the establishment party being equally responsible.
McCain has been in Congress 26 years. Twenty unlawfully seated in the U.S. Senate. In the past two decades, not once has this despicable person gone for the solution: Abolishing the privately owned, unconstitutional Federal Reserve and a return to sound monetary policy. Now, just like the other socialists and Marxists in Congress, he's selling "we have to create jobs." No, Juan, the federal government is not there to create jobs. That is what private industry in a free markets does --- until corrupt individuals like you voted for destructive trade treaties killing our most important job sectors: agriculture, manufacturing and industrial.
McCain voted for NAFTA. He voted to kill more jobs for American truckers by voting yes to allow Mexican trucks onto U.S. soil. He voted another job killing trade agreement: CAFTA. Obama wasn't in the Senate when NAFTA was passed. He got into a spit swapping contest with fellow Marxist Hillary Clinton during the primaries. He neglected to point out, as did Clinton, that the Democrats have allowed these destructive treaties to remain in place since they took "power" in January 2007. These unconstitutional trade agreements are still in effect while Americans go begging for good paying jobs.
McCain, who I believe is mentally unstable, voted to extend social security benefits to illegal aliens. Thieves in the night who sneak across our borders, breaking our laws, stealing American jobs, classroom space, bankrupting hospitals and filling state and federal prisons. McCain voted to include criminals (a person who breaks federal immigration law is a criminal because they have committed a crime) in a federal taxing scheme that can't be saved. Obama voted Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities." The blood of these innocents is on his hands, just like McCain:
"Edwin Ramos, 21, a Salvadoran national charged has been charged in the murders last summer of Anthony Bologna and his two sons as they were returning home from a picnic." This slaughter happened in San Francisco, domain of lunatic mayor, Gavin Newsom, who thumbs his nose and federal immigration laws. These animals are roaming the streets of America courtesy of people like McCain and Obama. A father and two sons gunned down in the street by someone who should have been deported and kept out of this country long ago.
Thirteen people are killed every day in the US by Illegal Alien drunk drivers. Rep. Steve King R-IA
Thousands of Americans have been slaughtered on America's highways by illegal aliens:
Obama supports giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens who have no legal right to be in this country and on our roads. Comrade Obama had the audacity to say, "Undocumented workers do not come here to drive. They're here to work." Undocumented is a sales pitch. These so-called undocumented workers have NO right to work at any job in this country and if they're not here to drive, why did two of them smash into my daughter's car with no insurance; one with phony Michigan plates, drivers license, who then skipped back across the border and left my daughter's broken body?
a vote for any third party IS THE SAME AS A VOTE FOR OBAMA
You been eating paste again? It's a shame Perot only got 20% of the vote in '92, I'm convinced that had paste eating morons been excluded from voting (I had a special paste-sensing breath tester ready to go, too) the outcome would have been most favorable to the average American worker.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
it already is a socialist cesspool with both branches of the establishment party being equally responsible.
You think? :)
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot