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Title: Judge denies stay, orders discovery of Obama's birth certificates
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Published: Oct 9, 2008
Author: Starwind
Post Date: 2008-10-09 12:18:48 by Starwind
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Views: 3084
Comments: 101

Follow it free at BERG v. OBAMA et al (Justia) (not updated yet)

Follow it via Pacer at United States District Court Eastern District of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia) CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 2:08-cv-04083-RBS (current as of this AM)

This AM, Judge R. Barclay Surrick, J. ordered (document #18):

ORDERED and DECREED as follows:

1. Defendants Motion for Protective Order Staying Discovery pending the Court's Decision on Defendants dispositive Motion is DENIED;
2. Defendants are hereby ORDERED to Answer Plaintiff's Discovery Requests by way of Admissions and Request for Production of Documents by October 15, 2008.

Poster Comment:

This could be a game changer.

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#98. To: Starwind, flintlock, christine (#0)

So, the "defendants" (respondents) didn't answer by the 15th, and Berg did not enter a motion for summary judgment or a motion for a writ of mandamus to disqualify Obama from running for president.

In fact, no entries have been made to the docket despite the default deadline being three days past.

Hmmm, I don't want to "assume" anything so, I'll wait for Starwind to explain this to all of us stoopids.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-10-18   23:27:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In fact, no entries have been made to the docket despite the default deadline being three days past.

Indeed not. I was clearly mistaken in my expectation that the Judge would have signed what I understood he had requested.

Nor has there been any status on Obama's motion to stay discovery and Berg's response. There is a hearing scheduled on the 21st. Perhaps some information on what has or hasn't transpired will be forthcoming then.

Hmmm, I don't want to "assume" anything so, I'll wait for Starwind to explain this to all of us stoopids.

Nowhere did I state or imply you, Christine or flintlock were "stoopids", but then this also seems to have gone well beyond your simple desire to correct my mistake.

Starwind  posted on  2008-10-19   13:07:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

FWIW, I note with further chagrin that Obama has today filed a motion to dismiss accompanied by unsigned Order from the Judge.

As both unsigned Orders are contradictory, ostensibly the Judge asked for neither, and I incorrectly assumed he had requested and would sign the one prepared by Berg ordering discovery.

Starwind  posted on  2008-10-20   21:19:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

FWIW, I note with further chagrin that Obama has today filed a motion to dismiss accompanied by unsigned Order from the Judge.

As both unsigned Orders are contradictory, ostensibly the Judge asked for neither, and I incorrectly assumed he had requested and would sign the one prepared by Berg ordering discove

And, the more familiar you become with the gibberish lawyers employ (in order to mystify and over charge us) the more certain you'll become that they deliberately complicate the system to keep it a closed shop.

Justice is an amazingly simple concept and a fair, impartial Christian man would have little trouble settling disputes.

But Justice as we understand it is a negative concept, i.e. the absence of injustice.

THEY define it as "The systematic and perpetual disposition of legal disputes rendering each man his due." (Black's Law Dictionary) Can you see the difference? Where we seek the absence of injustice, their definition is a fervent prayer for a "systematic and perpetual" source of income like the grinding out of link sausage, and the truth is not the ultimate goal for them.

Obviously the system does not "render each man his due" and in fact it's heavily weighted in favor of the wealthier adversary and the better connected attorney(s).

It is perfectly understandable why you'd assume that reason would prevail and that you'd mistake a motion drafted by counsel as a court order. After all, you're a fair, impartial man and assume the system was based on justice, as did I when I started wrangling with the feds decades ago.

Once I essentially learned a second language (a tedious process in order to understand well enough to file as a pro se litigant-defendant) I realized that just like the pre-Vatican II Latin Mass this legal gibberish could be completely simplified if they wanted us to understand it.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-10-26   18:15:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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