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Title: Dakmar's Semi-Serious Economic Rescue Plan
Source: cognac
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Published: Oct 10, 2008
Author: Dakmar
Post Date: 2008-10-10 18:54:39 by Dakmar
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Views: 1752
Comments: 38

Was sitting at working today stewing over my 401k losing enough overnight to buy a cheap new car, and enough in the past two weeks to buy a faster car (still new) than I have now. Started wondering if borrowing against said rapidly deflating account to pay off balance of mortgage might be feasible, at least I'd own home outright. I understand all the mainstream arguments for putting money into 401 and not borrowing from it, but the way things are going it looks like my retirement will consist of a raisin and any paperclips I might find. Anyway, borrowing against my 401 also entails paying it back, back into the same hands that lost me a V8 Mustang so very recently, only for them to gamble it away again.

Anyway, here's my proposal:

Allow workers bees to withdraw from their 401k account explicitly to pay off or down their mortgage. It will put liquidity into the hands of responsible lenders while investing in the American Dream of home ownership. No penalties shall apply, and the transfer shall be taxed at same rate taxpayer is currently paying. In other words, as long as this money is used to pay mortgage balance, it does not count as extra income for the year.

Please feel free to debate pros and cons of my idea, you cannot hurt my feelings.

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#8. To: Dakmar (#0)

Allow workers bees to withdraw from their 401k account explicitly to pay off or down their mortgage. It will put liquidity into the hands of responsible lenders while investing in the American Dream of home ownership.

Actually, that reduces liquidity. Paying off debts (fractional reserve bank orginated loans) takes money out of the money supply and back into 'thin air' whence it originated at the Fed. It does free up reserves (base money) in the amount of the fractional 10th originally reserved when the loan was advanced, but the Fed can (and has been) pumping the base money supply far more than honest borrowers ever could.

That said, I agree you ought to be able to draw down and/or reallocate your 401K without penalty, recapturing only whatever tax-credit was earned when the same amount was put into the 401K.

Everyone should be able to invest in the American Dream of V8 Mustang ownership :)

Starwind  posted on  2008-10-10   19:30:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Starwind (#8) (Edited)

Actually, that reduces liquidity.

All that money rushing in to pay off (admittedly sound) mortgages? That money runs straight from Wall Street to small or middle size banks.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-10-10   19:33:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Dakmar (#10)

All that money rushing in to pay off (admittedly sound) mortgages?

Yep. Actually it would be "all that money rushing out". Bernanke would stroke. See Modern Money Mechanics.

Contrary to popular myth, defaulting on loans does not reduce the money supply (liquidity) - honest repayment of FRB (sound or distressed) loans reduces the money supply.

If you wanted a Semi-Semi-Serious plan, steal the Mustang and give Detroit an excuse to make another, plus it puts cops to work doing the job illegals don't wanna do.

Starwind  posted on  2008-10-10   19:42:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Starwind (#12)

steal the Mustang and give Detroit an excuse to make another, plus it puts cops to work doing the job illegals don't wanna do.

If I steal anything it's gonna be a '68 Buick GS Converible with an 8-Track player so I can finally listen to the copy of Morrison Hotel my Grandma gave me for Christmas 1980.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-10-10   19:46:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#14. To: Dakmar (#13)

'68 Buick GS Converible

Detroit ain't makin those anymore.... fat lotta help you turned out to be.

Steal the Mustang, strip it for parts and sell those, put the money down another car loan to buy the '68 Buick GS Converible.... see now? manage the money supply like the pros.

(Starwind for Fed Chairman, Paris Hilton for President)

Starwind  posted on  2008-10-10 19:52:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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