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Title: October Surprise
Source: YouTube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_ ... =http://www.americasright.com/
Published: Oct 11, 2008
Author: Phil Berg
Post Date: 2008-10-11 11:49:24 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 2033
Comments: 105

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen?

This video is bizarre and so off-base I'm amazed, once again at the extent to which racists, apparently, will go to mislead and misinform people.

I couldn't even listen to the whole thing. Obama has posted a picture of his birth certificate on his web site, the "smear" pages, as I recall. No one in Hawaii, as far as I know, has questioned it. Where does Philip J. Berg get his information? If not born there, where was he born?

And where do you deport a US citizen? I can't believe how stupid this is.

salemguy  posted on  2008-10-11   15:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: salemguy (#1)

Obama has posted a picture of his birth certificate on his web site

But he won't produce the original:

Barack Obama Seeks To Block Discovery in Citizenship Lawsuit

"Mr. Berg asserts that if Barack Hussein Obama will produce the above documents and prove his eligibility for the Office of the Presidency, that he (Mr. Berg) will dismiss his lawsuit voluntarily. To date, Obama has refused to produce these documents to Mr. Berg."

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   15:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: bluegrass (#2)

But he won't produce the original:

There is a reason he refuses to do so.

Because he can't.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   16:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nikki (#3)

There is a reason he refuses to do so.

Because he can't.

Or if he did, it would prove him to be the liar we all know him to be. That being said, McLame has the same problem with basic honesty.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   16:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: salemguy (#1)

once again at the extent to which racists

Philip Berg is a racist?

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christine  posted on  2008-10-11   16:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluegrass (#4)

Or if he did, it would prove him to be the liar we all know him to be. That being said, McLame has the same problem with basic honesty.

Absolutely.

Both 'candidates' are IN YOUR FACE abominations.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   16:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nikki (#6)

Both 'candidates' are IN YOUR FACE abominations.

"In Your Face" is how their masters operate.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   16:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: bluegrass (#7)

"In Your Face" is how their masters operate.

Which makes you wonder about their sick soldiers.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   16:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: nikki (#8)

sick soldiers

It's my assumption that operatives like McCain and Obama are either living in a constant state of denial or are sociopaths that don't need the denial mechanism in the first place.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   16:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: bluegrass (#9)

It's my assumption that operatives like McCain and Obama are either living in a constant state of denial or are sociopaths that don't need the denial mechanism in the first place.

I agree. It's those that defend either of them that need total repudiation. Those people are equally complicit in the take down of the country. May they rot quickly.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   16:49:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nikki (#10)

Since sociopaths are only about 5-10% of the population, most people that are hooked on the McCain/Obama construct are, like their heroes, also in some form of denial about economic and political reality. If true, that means the other 5-10% of their support base are also sociopaths.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   16:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: bluegrass (#11)

Since sociopaths are only about 5-10% of the population, most people that are hooked on the McCain/Obama construct are, like their heroes, also in some form of denial about economic and political reality. If true, that means the other 5-10% of their support base are also sociopaths.

I follow the logic but the mental illness is certainly greater than 5 - 10 percent. Acutally, I think some of these people are without any human conscience.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   17:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: bluegrass (#2)

"Mr. Berg asserts that if Barack Hussein Obama will produce the above documents and prove his eligibility for the Office of the Presidency, that he (Mr. Berg) will dismiss his lawsuit voluntarily. To date, Obama has refused to produce these documents to Mr. Berg."

Huh?

First, anyone born in the US is a US citizen, regardless of where they spent early years or where their parents come from.

The Obama document I have seen online clearly says Hawaii and evidences an official seal.

As for the rest of this crap:

"1. a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) Birth Certificate;

"2. a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship; and

"3. a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama at the age of majority."

What? I've never heard of any of these, although I can imagine the latter two pertain to naturalized citizens, which is irrelevant.

This is totally bogus bs.

salemguy  posted on  2008-10-11   17:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#5)

Philip Berg is a racist?

Note I said "apparently. "

If he's a lifelong Democrat, I can't think of any other reason he would be pursuing such a ridiculous effort.

salemguy  posted on  2008-10-11   17:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: salemguy (#13)

The Obama document I have seen online

Why won't Obama produce the original? That's the point of the lawsuit.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   17:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nikki (#12)

Mental illness is waaaay high. Sociopaths, specifically, are only about 5-10%.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   17:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: nikki (#3)

I can't produce my original birth certificate either.

I'll bet there are literally tens of millions who can't produce the ORIGINAL, especially the longer they live.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-10-11   17:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Sam Houston (#17)

I had to go back to the county I was to born in to get mine. It's not that hard. Birth certificates have been used in America for decade upon decade.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   17:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: bluegrass (#16)

Mental illness is waaaay high. Sociopaths, specifically, are only about 5-10%.

Thanks for the clarification blue.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   17:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: bluegrass, nikki (#9)

or are sociopaths that don't need the denial mechanism in the first place.

maybe they are just narcissists.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   17:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: salemguy (#13)

First, anyone born in the US is a US citizen, regardless of where they spent early years or where their parents come from.

There is evidence to suggest he wasn't born in the US.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   17:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: farmfriend, nikki (#20)

maybe they are just narcissists.

A great point that I neglected. It's hard to tell the narcissists from the sociopaths without a diagram.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   17:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: bluegrass (#22)

It's hard to tell the narcissists from the sociopaths without a diagram.

True. Clinton was both.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   17:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Sam Houston (#17)

I can't produce my original birth certificate either.

I'll bet there are literally tens of millions who can't produce the ORIGINAL, especially the longer they live.

If you want to run for President then, you better think about finding a way to prove you are a US citizen.

There are few things that 'qualify' one to RUN for President. That happens to be one of them.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   17:46:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: farmfriend (#23)

Amen. I suspect that Shrub is both also.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   17:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: farmfriend (#20)

maybe they are just narcissists.

I remember thinking that was a perfect def of Clinton. But through the years, it seems to fit many electeds.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   17:50:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: bluegrass (#22)

maybe they are just narcissists.

A great point that I neglected. It's hard to tell the narcissists from the sociopaths without a diagram.

LOL! I can only point to one thing. Narcissists are convinced they are the center of the crowd, light of the room and demand others feel the same.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   17:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluegrass (#25)

I suspect that Shrub is both also.

Wouldn't surprise me.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   17:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: nikki (#26)

I remember thinking that was a perfect def of Clinton.

I saw several psychiatrists make that assessment, including one I knew personally.

But through the years, it seems to fit many electeds.

You would almost have to be in order to want the job and get elected.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   18:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend (#21)

There is evidence to suggest he wasn't born in the US.

Pray tell, farmfriend, what is that evidence?

Please don't point me at another windy, spaghetti-worded, tortured-logic site rant.

What is the evidence?

salemguy  posted on  2008-10-11   18:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: nikki, bluegrass (#27)

Narcissists are convinced they are the center of the crowd, light of the room and demand others feel the same.

They will often stir the pot in order to remain the center as well. Or at least that has been my experience.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   18:03:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: salemguy (#30)

What is the evidence?

There is no record at the Hawaian hospitals for one. His mother flew to Kenya late in her term. She was prevented from returning home by Kenian authorities until after she gave birth.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   18:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: farmfriend (#32)

There is no record at the Hawaian hospitals for one.

Then where did the birth certicate come from?

Are you suggesting he was born in Kenya?

Why have no Hawaiians questioned this?

salemguy  posted on  2008-10-11   18:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: farmfriend (#32)

His mother flew to Kenya late in her term. She was prevented from returning home by Kenian authorities until after she gave birth.

On re-reading, clearly you are saying Obama was born in Kenya.

Where is this documented?

salemguy  posted on  2008-10-11   18:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: farmfriend (#29)

I remember thinking that was a perfect def of Clinton. I saw several psychiatrists make that assessment, including one I knew personally.

But through the years, it seems to fit many electeds. You would almost have to be in order to want the job and get elected.

You know how strange it is for two or more people to come to the same conclusion? ;)

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   18:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: farmfriend (#31)

Narcissists are convinced they are the center of the crowd, light of the room and demand others feel the same.

They will often stir the pot in order to remain the center as well. Or at least that has been my experience.

I've seen that too. Not to take another swipe at Clinton, but I remember thinking years ago, Can't he just SHUT UP AND GO AWAY? If he had, perhaps more would've seen Bush and crowd for what they are, rather Clinton provided a diversion back to left/right dem/pub divide and conquer red meat politicking.

Grr.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   18:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: nikki (#36)

rather Clinton provided a diversion back to left/right dem/pub divide and conquer red meat politicking.

Seems almost planned doesn't it?


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   18:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: salemguy, farmfriend (#30)

Pray tell, farmfriend, what is that evidence?

Until he's wiling to produce the birth certificate, I ain't buying it. He's the one that's refusing to release it. It's up to him to prove it that he was born here.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-11   18:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: farmfriend (#37)

Seems almost planned doesn't it?

Yes, it does. Funny you mention it too. Have been rewatching a few old movies and recent as well. All these actions are telegraphed to us. As we watch the new in real time now, the aware can see the path being laid for the morons to reach the desired conclusion.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-11   18:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: bluegrass, salemguy (#38) (Edited)

It's up to him to prove it that he was born here.

Exactly.

Now there is a valid reason for the Dems to fight it as a party. If he isn't legit but is elected Pres. but diqualified after, Biden becomes Pres. The party wins either way.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   18:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: nikki (#39)

All these actions are telegraphed to us.

Yes, there is always a trail. This is why "they" work so hard to discredit those who pick up on it. Conspiracy nuts, all of us.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-11   18:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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