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Title: Forrestal Incident
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Published: Oct 11, 2008
Author: salemguy
Post Date: 2008-10-11 17:08:50 by salemguy
Keywords: Forrestal, McCain, hotdog
Views: 362
Comments: 21

I have some open questions I think are important. They are about the truth of the Forrestal accident John McCain was involved in, in 1967. I believe a resolution of them can provide insight into his true character.

I learned about it from a friend a month ago and googled a lot of material, mostly inconclusive, often conflicting. One of the better comment sets I found was here, but I can't find it now, so I'm sending this as a general post, not really an article.

I've read zionist nut interpretations and murky, early morning hangover-like assertions, and seen "official" videos, but a former carrier flight deck navy man whose name I can't remember provided good information here on actual operational logistics that still leave me with questions.

The central question is and has been whether or not McCain, with his "hot dog" behavior and reputation, caused the accident, resulting in loss of many lives on the ship, and millions of dollars in loss of planes and damage to the ship.

Cutting to the chase through my own confusion...

A4's of that era were started with external air power. Who controls the fuel switch? It still seems to me that a pilot who wanted to haze other pilots with a "wet start" (big flame on ignition) could effect that.

Where did the errant missle that started the fires hit McCain's fuel tank come from, and why? The only credible explanation I've seen is that it was a result of a McCain wet start, from the plane behind, or another not behind?

Why was McCain transferred from the Forrestal to the Oriskany? I've read two versions of that transfer... one that it happened immediately and another that it happened after a couple weeks of R&R in Saigon (why?), but in either case he left the Forrestal that day, as far as I can tell.

That suggests to me a "fragging" might have occurred? Fragging, for those who may not know, is the killing of officers by enlisted personnel for perceived wrongs.

I would really like to hear from Forrestal vets who were there. I think a set of reflections from them may help resolve these questions.

McCain lost four planes in his Naval career with his hot dog attitude, it appears, and a fifth when he was shot down. Most pilots would lose their flight status after one or two, I'd think.

In any event, I still think the Forrestal incident bears some scrutiny.

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#1. To: salemguy (#0)

I think you'll find answers to many of your questions here:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/print_did_mccain_crash_five_pla n es_did_he.html

christine  posted on  2008-10-11   17:44:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#1)

I think you'll find answers to many of your questions here: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/print_did_mccain_crash_five_pla n es_did_he.html

I found more comments, from naval historical scholars, a subordinate of McCain's father, and McCain himself, but no real answers.

Where did the errant missle actually come from and why?

Where are the Forrestal witnesses. Where are the records from men on the deck that day?

salemguy  posted on  2008-10-11   18:41:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#3. To: All (#2)

think you'll find answers to many of your questions here: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/print_did_mccain_crash_five_pla n es_did_he.html

I thought I was responding to Christine, but "All" appears... I hope a Forrestal vet receives this, checks the thread and responds.

Couple further questions not answered by factcheck.org here...

Where are the ships captain's and flight deck command records?

Why was McCain removed from the ship that day, apparently?

An officer does not leave a ship in distress.

salemguy  posted on  2008-10-11 18:52:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: salemguy, nolu_chan (#2)

nolu, can you answer salem's questions?

christine  posted on  2008-10-11 21:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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