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Title: Forrestal Incident
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Published: Oct 11, 2008
Author: salemguy
Post Date: 2008-10-11 17:08:50 by salemguy
Keywords: Forrestal, McCain, hotdog
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I have some open questions I think are important. They are about the truth of the Forrestal accident John McCain was involved in, in 1967. I believe a resolution of them can provide insight into his true character. I learned about it from a friend a month ago and googled a lot of material, mostly inconclusive, often conflicting. One of the better comment sets I found was here, but I can't find it now, so I'm sending this as a general post, not really an article. I've read zionist nut interpretations and murky, early morning hangover-like assertions, and seen "official" videos, but a former carrier flight deck navy man whose name I can't remember provided good information here on actual operational logistics that still leave me with questions. The central question is and has been whether or not McCain, with his "hot dog" behavior and reputation, caused the accident, resulting in loss of many lives on the ship, and millions of dollars in loss of planes and damage to the ship. Cutting to the chase through my own confusion... A4's of that era were started with external air power. Who controls the fuel switch? It still seems to me that a pilot who wanted to haze other pilots with a "wet start" (big flame on ignition) could effect that. Where did the errant missle that started the fires hit McCain's fuel tank come from, and why? The only credible explanation I've seen is that it was a result of a McCain wet start, from the plane behind, or another not behind? Why was McCain transferred from the Forrestal to the Oriskany? I've read two versions of that transfer... one that it happened immediately and another that it happened after a couple weeks of R&R in Saigon (why?), but in either case he left the Forrestal that day, as far as I can tell. That suggests to me a "fragging" might have occurred? Fragging, for those who may not know, is the killing of officers by enlisted personnel for perceived wrongs. I would really like to hear from Forrestal vets who were there. I think a set of reflections from them may help resolve these questions. McCain lost four planes in his Naval career with his hot dog attitude, it appears, and a fifth when he was shot down. Most pilots would lose their flight status after one or two, I'd think. In any event, I still think the Forrestal incident bears some scrutiny.
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CLAIMED, STANDARD, AND VIDEO OF PLANE POSITIONS - - - - - USS Forrestal, diagram of plane positions F4 from which rocket fired in #110. A4 #416 or #405 or both were hit by rocket. The only plane facing outwards is an RA-5C Vigilante (603). - - - - - In the following photos, note the aircraft are parked with exhaust to sea. USS Abraham Lincoln diagrammed with descriptions. - - - - - USS Forrestal, last known photo in morning before fire - - - - - USS Forrestal 3/29/1989 Note the runway with the big white line down the middle. That is the landing strip. On the far left side you can see two catapult takeoff areas. There are more at the front of the ship. - - - - - USS Stennis & HMS Illustrious - - - - - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I USS Forrestal Mishap July 29, 1967 The only plane facing outwards is an RA-5C Vigilante (603). - - - - -
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