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Religion See other Religion Articles Title: Why I Left Organized Christendom – and Why I Joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses Why I Left Organized Christendom – and Why I Joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses Matthew 7:13, 14; “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it. I started reading the Bible more than 20 years ago, alone. Why alone? Because I simply did not know of anyone who actually read the Bible. I was raised a Roman Catholic; they certainly do not read the Bible! Others claim to, but everything that I saw in the organized churches of Christendom were but a reflection of the Roman Catholic church. So I started reading a Bible that had been given me by a friend. That Bible, which I still use to some extent, was a King James Study Bible, and, when I found the Scripture above, it opened my eyes further and started me on a life long quest; I have no wish to be like everyone else. Never have had. In the King James; Matthew 7:13, 14; Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. You will note how the two translations harmonize. Most of the Bibles harmonize; it is just that you must take more care in understanding some because the meanings are harder to decipher. Perhaps this is deliberate; most all translators of the Holy Scriptures into English have been Trinitarians. More on this in just a moment. Just before I read Matthew 7:13 the first time, I found this in the King James Bible; Jeremiah 10:2, ; Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. … I probably do not need to transcribe these verses for you from another Bible; all of them are basically the same. After I read this, I had to go back and read it several more times over a period of time, just to be sure that it said everything that I thought it did. No Christmas tree?! Where did this come from? Perhaps the better question was… where did Christmas come from? But it took me a couple of years to get to that question. After I reached that point, it did not take me long to find the answers. In any search engine, just type in Nimrod and Christmas. www.xanga.com/Babylon_The_Great/554683845/item.html I am not going to go into great detail, because most of you have seen all of this information before! However, unlike myself, you permit yourself to serve yourself instead of putting the wishes of Jehovah FIRST. "Nimrod started the great organized worldly apostasy from God that has dominated this world until now. Nimrod married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's death, his so-called mother-wife, Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th, was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree." -The Plain Truth About Christmas by David J. Stewart | December 24th, 2005 "Traditionally, a yule log was burned in the fireplace on Christmas Eve and during the night as the log's embers died, there appeared in the room, as if by magic, a Christmas tree surrounded by gifts. The yule log represented the sun-god Nimrod and the Christmas tree represented himself resurrected as his own son Tammuz." --After Armageddon -Chapter 4 -- Where do we get our ideas? by John A. Sarkett Now, let me see, what does organized Christendom have to say about Christmas? kingskidstuff.home.att.net/christmas.htm “But God gave the greatest gift ever given - himself, that very first Christmas.” Aimed directly at children; how interesting. Why bother posting more? Just type Christian Christmas into any search engine and read all that you wish to. But all of you know this, yet you insist on doing that which is clearly forbidden. Just as does all apostate Christendom. Is there more? Easter. Just type in pagan Easter. Interesting. First site up; Santeria Wiccans. Next site up: Would Jesus Keep Easter? Order Free Book Get free book with true story of Easter bunny, colored eggs & Jesus. The short answer to the above is, no. altreligion.about.com/cs/alchemy/a/mpreviss.htm In second century Europe, the predominate spring festival was a raucous Saxon fertility celebration in honor of the Saxon Goddess Eastre (Ostara), whose sacred animal was a hare. The colored eggs associated with the bunny are of another, even more ancient origin. The eggs associated with this and other Vernal festivals have been symbols of rebirth and fertility for so long the precise roots of the tradition are unknown, and may date to the beginning of human civilization. Ancient Romans and Greeks used eggs as symbols of fertility, rebirth, and abundance- eggs were solar symbols, and figured in the festivals of numerous resurrected gods. Just type in Easter and pagan into any search engine and read all about it. I stopped this non-sense, fast, once I caught on. This is what real Christians do. BUT but but!!! My family!! Matthew 10: 34, 35; Do not think that I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. All of you in organized Christendom, AND YOUR CHURCHES, celebrate Easter; you go along to get along. I do not. Neither do the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I like them for that! And I wish to make something perfectly clear here; I knew all of this long, long before I met my first Jehovah’s Witness. LONG BEFORE. And I stopped all of the non-sense, as best I could, long before as well. Eventually, where did all of this take me? The Roman Catholic Church -- Examined Historically and Biblically cdelph.org/catholic.html#false FALSE DOCTRINES WHICH UNITE THE CHURCHES WITH ROME TIME OUT! Read the above sentance a couple of times and understand what it says!! Unites the churches (of Christendom) with Rome. 2. THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. Belief in a triune God - a God that is both one and three - is opposed to reason and the clear declaration of Scripture (Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:6). It was included in church teaching about 300 years after the death of Christ, and from Rome has found its way into the beliefs of nearly all communities of Christendom. The HOLY SPIRIT is the power of God, a divine energy by which He fills all space and creates and sustains all things: Luke 1:35, Psalm 51:12, 104:30, 139:7-12, Acts 17:27-28. The Holy Spirit is NOT A PERSON, but the "one spirit" of God used for special purposes: miracles, signs and wonders: Acts 2:1-4. MAN is a mortal creature whose consciousness utterly ceases at death, and, therefore, renewed life can come only through a bodily resurrection. Genesis 3:19, Ezekiel 18:4, Psalm 6:5, Ecclesiastes 3:18-19, 9:5-6, Isaiah 38:18-19, 1 Corinthians 15:13-21, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2. The above is a pretty good site. I have found only a couple of things in it that are not correct, according to my understanding of the Bible, but overall, much superior to anything taught in apostate Christendom. Everything taught in the Roman Catholic church comes from tradition. Mark 7:13; (Jesus Christ speaking) and thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition which you handed down. And many things similar to this you do. Colossians 2:8; Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; Matthew 15:2; (Pharisees and scribes speaking to Jesus Christ) “Why is it your disciples overstep the tradition of the men of former times? 3 In reply he said to them: “Why is it you also overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition?” Now, what does the Roman church say about the so-called Christian churches of Christendom? www.the-ten-commandments....olic-tencommandments.html “It was the Catholic church which…has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.” — Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213. The same is said by the Roman church about the so-called Protestants (apostate Christendom) for their following of any of the dogma and tradition of the Roman church; they are our daughters for the homage they pay to us. www.catholicfirst.com/the...hurchdocuments/dogmas.cfm Dogmas of the Catholic Church Positive Foundation of the Dogma of the Trinity The Trinity came from the Roman Catholic church. Period. I have posted all of the details about this before. If you are a Trinitarian, essentially, you are a Roman Catholic, and this is the opinion of the Roman Catholic church, not mine. People here in the 4um have told me that the Trinity is… a mystery. No one understands it, but… we have to believe it. WHY? There are no mysteries in the Bible. Jesus Christ himself said that he said nothing in secret! ALL WAS REVEALED. The problem is, you have to do the work, the study, and the reading, in order to gain understanding. I cleansed myself of the Trinity beliefs long before I met my first Witness. Just by reading the Bible on my own, and, trusting the Bible that I was reading; a King James Bible. THAT, is the big difference between all of you, and all Jehovah’s Witnesses (including myself). They read the Bible EVERY day. And you claim that they are confused? How dare you. Remember this verse? I have posted it often enough; John 17:3; This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. What do you suppose it means? How about this; John 15:19; If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you. Everything that you all hold so dear comes from the world. Christmas, Easter, all of the holy days set up by the Roman church, the traditions that all of you hold so dear, and you do not understand? Is eternal life that valueless to you?! That you can not do your own study to learn?! Answer me this; why does the world hate Jehovah’s Witnesses?! But loves the Catholics, Baptists and all apostate Christendom? Luke 13; 24, 27; Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able, 25 when once the householder has got up and locked the door, and you start to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Sir, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in front of you, and you taught in our broad ways.’ 27 But he will speak and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from. Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness.!’ I left the world long ago. I joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses because they are the only group I have found that closely follow the teachings of the Bible; organized apostate Christendom DOES NOT. Not even remotely, which each of you would understand (and honestly, probably do) if you but did the due diligence necessary to learn. The choice is yours; study, or accept the second death, which is in the lake of fire. A NOTE; I COULD CONTINUE THIS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, JUST LISTING THE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG IN CHRISTENDOM, SUCH AS BLOOD. WHY? EITHER YOU WILL CHOSE TO STUDY, OR, YOU WILL NOT. THAT CHOICE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Jehovah God DOES NOT require it. But His promises are dependent upon it. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 81.
#5. To: richard9151 (#0)
Shouldn't this be titled: Why I Left Organized Christendom – and Why I Joined Organized JW
Define organized. Do the Witnesses keep careful records of their work for Jehovah so that they do not fail in their obligations? Of course. Do they have to tithe to support an organization? No. Do they have ministers or priests? No. Do they have churches? No. Is there anyone in the 'organization' -- anywhere -- who does not participate in the preaching of the Good News door to door? No. Do they, as an organization, speak with one voice? Yes. What is that voice? The Bible. EVERY Jehovah's Witness reads the Bible daily. And not just reads it; they delve into it, deeply, much more so than anyone else I have ever met.
Whne JWs show up my house, I'm always nice to them. Then I tell them that I'm busy. They look like Mormons but sometimes they're black. All religion is brainwashing.
It is not a religion. It is a complete way of life. Perhaps you missed the post; Make man in our image. That post explains the Bible. As to the Mormons, not hardly. They do this two years, and that is the end of it. I know Witnesses who have been doing this for more than 50 years. As I said, a way of life.
I understand that many people have the need to be part of some group or another. More power to you if it's working in your life.
I have never had that need, and, I have never joined anything before. Thought about it, yes. Came close, yes, but nothing could be shown to be the truth. Took the man I was studying with about 6 months to show me truly what the Bible said. That was when I began to understand the power of study in a group, as it explains in the Bible. The Bible very clearly states that we are to congregate together. My problem was.... who with? Nobody follows the Bible. Well, as I learned, slowly, as the Bible opened up for me, yes, there are people who actucally live according to the Bible. You bet, I joined, just as quick as I finally figured it all out and understood.
It also states that women and children are to be slaughtered mercilessly. Then it states that we need to turn the other cheek and love each other. Then it states that God will kill us all except for a few of us. I'd rather just go with my own common sense and attempt to be kind and considerate to those in my life.
You are correct. Perfect Justice is harsh. Those who violate His Law are given notice, and when they do not repent, all suffer the same punishment. The Flood is a perfect example. Noah said, FLEE! PLEASE! No one listened. All died, including countless children. There is also a stern lesson in there for all of us. Then it states that we need to turn the other cheek and love each other. Yep, that we are. Peace and harmony. Says the meek are to inherit the earth, and no one else. The Bible also warns us not to seek vengence, for vengence is mine saith the Lord. And if we refuse this advise? See above. Then it states that God will kill us all except for a few of us. Actually, the Bible clearly says that Jesus Christ will do the judging. According to the will of His Father. But you are correct; only those who learn what His Will is, and surrender to it, will gain everlasting life on a paradise earth. You do understand. I'd rather just go with my own common sense and attempt to be kind and considerate to those in my life. That is certainly your right. I take it that this means that you have no wish to attain everlasting life if it means surrendering your will to God, correct?
I have spoken to the Jehovah's Witnesses and have found them to be people of principle. My objection is the idea that God would reveal the truth in a book. I think the Bible contains a lot of wisdom but God reveals Himself in nature too, and especially in man, that He made in His image. Everlasting life can be attained through our children and through a reverence for sustainable human fertility.
Why would you find that objectionable? Do you believe in Almighty God? If you do, then what part of Almighty confuses you? If He is Almighty, then He surely has the wherewithal to protect His Holy Word in a book. And He does. That is what is so fasinating about the Bible; it is easily the most complicated book ever written; it harmonizes throughout, even though it was written over about 1700 years, by more than 40 different men. It is its own witness. and especially in man, that He made in His image. I put up a post several days ago titled; Make man in our image. It is under the religion thread; I think you would find it of interest. Everlasting life can be attained through our children and through a reverence for sustainable human fertility. Really? OK, but I much prefer the promises detailed to us in the Bible by Jehovah God, where He promises life eternal to those who willingly accept His Will. Remember the Lord's prayer? Let your Will be done in heaven and on earth (paraphrased)? Simply stated, Jehovah God has never, and can never, break one of His Promises. Much of the Bible is involved in explaining that. Pretty neat when you get it all.
#106. To: richard9151 (#81)
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Why would you find that objectionable?" Because the medium is the message. The contents of a book can be controlled by a small group of men, but God reveals Himself primarily through nature and through us, who He made in His image. The Bible was written yesterday, but people have worshiped God as long as there have been people.
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