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Title: Why I Left Organized Christendom – and Why I Joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses
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Published: Oct 12, 2008
Author: Richard and Various
Post Date: 2008-10-12 18:11:12 by richard9151
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Why I Left Organized Christendom – and Why I Joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses Matthew 7:13, 14; “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it. I started reading the Bible more than 20 years ago, alone. Why alone? Because I simply did not know of anyone who actually read the Bible. I was raised a Roman Catholic; they certainly do not read the Bible! Others claim to, but everything that I saw in the organized churches of Christendom were but a reflection of the Roman Catholic church. So I started reading a Bible that had been given me by a friend. That Bible, which I still use to some extent, was a King James Study Bible, and, when I found the Scripture above, it opened my eyes further and started me on a life long quest; I have no wish to be like everyone else. Never have had. In the King James; Matthew 7:13, 14; Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. You will note how the two translations harmonize. Most of the Bibles harmonize; it is just that you must take more care in understanding some because the meanings are harder to decipher. Perhaps this is deliberate; most all translators of the Holy Scriptures into English have been Trinitarians. More on this in just a moment. Just before I read Matthew 7:13 the first time, I found this in the King James Bible; Jeremiah 10:2, ; Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. … I probably do not need to transcribe these verses for you from another Bible; all of them are basically the same. After I read this, I had to go back and read it several more times over a period of time, just to be sure that it said everything that I thought it did. No Christmas tree?! Where did this come from? Perhaps the better question was… where did Christmas come from? But it took me a couple of years to get to that question. After I reached that point, it did not take me long to find the answers. In any search engine, just type in Nimrod and Christmas. www.xanga.com/Babylon_The_Great/554683845/item.html I am not going to go into great detail, because most of you have seen all of this information before! However, unlike myself, you permit yourself to serve yourself instead of putting the wishes of Jehovah FIRST. "Nimrod started the great organized worldly apostasy from God that has dominated this world until now. Nimrod married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's death, his so-called mother-wife, Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th, was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree." -The Plain Truth About Christmas by David J. Stewart | December 24th, 2005 "Traditionally, a yule log was burned in the fireplace on Christmas Eve and during the night as the log's embers died, there appeared in the room, as if by magic, a Christmas tree surrounded by gifts. The yule log represented the sun-god Nimrod and the Christmas tree represented himself resurrected as his own son Tammuz." --After Armageddon -Chapter 4 -- Where do we get our ideas? by John A. Sarkett Now, let me see, what does organized Christendom have to say about Christmas? kingskidstuff.home.att.net/christmas.htm “But God gave the greatest gift ever given - himself, that very first Christmas.” Aimed directly at children; how interesting. Why bother posting more? Just type Christian Christmas into any search engine and read all that you wish to. But all of you know this, yet you insist on doing that which is clearly forbidden. Just as does all apostate Christendom. Is there more? Easter. Just type in pagan Easter. Interesting. First site up; Santeria Wiccans. Next site up: Would Jesus Keep Easter? Order Free Book Get free book with true story of Easter bunny, colored eggs & Jesus. The short answer to the above is, no. altreligion.about.com/cs/alchemy/a/mpreviss.htm In second century Europe, the predominate spring festival was a raucous Saxon fertility celebration in honor of the Saxon Goddess Eastre (Ostara), whose sacred animal was a hare. The colored eggs associated with the bunny are of another, even more ancient origin. The eggs associated with this and other Vernal festivals have been symbols of rebirth and fertility for so long the precise roots of the tradition are unknown, and may date to the beginning of human civilization. Ancient Romans and Greeks used eggs as symbols of fertility, rebirth, and abundance- eggs were solar symbols, and figured in the festivals of numerous resurrected gods. Just type in Easter and pagan into any search engine and read all about it. I stopped this non-sense, fast, once I caught on. This is what real Christians do. BUT but but!!! My family!! Matthew 10: 34, 35; Do not think that I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. All of you in organized Christendom, AND YOUR CHURCHES, celebrate Easter; you go along to get along. I do not. Neither do the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I like them for that! And I wish to make something perfectly clear here; I knew all of this long, long before I met my first Jehovah’s Witness. LONG BEFORE. And I stopped all of the non-sense, as best I could, long before as well. Eventually, where did all of this take me? The Roman Catholic Church -- Examined Historically and Biblically cdelph.org/catholic.html#false FALSE DOCTRINES WHICH UNITE THE CHURCHES WITH ROME TIME OUT! Read the above sentance a couple of times and understand what it says!! Unites the churches (of Christendom) with Rome. 2. THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. Belief in a triune God - a God that is both one and three - is opposed to reason and the clear declaration of Scripture (Mark 12:29; 1 Corinthians 8:6). It was included in church teaching about 300 years after the death of Christ, and from Rome has found its way into the beliefs of nearly all communities of Christendom. The HOLY SPIRIT is the power of God, a divine energy by which He fills all space and creates and sustains all things: Luke 1:35, Psalm 51:12, 104:30, 139:7-12, Acts 17:27-28. The Holy Spirit is NOT A PERSON, but the "one spirit" of God used for special purposes: miracles, signs and wonders: Acts 2:1-4. MAN is a mortal creature whose consciousness utterly ceases at death, and, therefore, renewed life can come only through a bodily resurrection. Genesis 3:19, Ezekiel 18:4, Psalm 6:5, Ecclesiastes 3:18-19, 9:5-6, Isaiah 38:18-19, 1 Corinthians 15:13-21, John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2. The above is a pretty good site. I have found only a couple of things in it that are not correct, according to my understanding of the Bible, but overall, much superior to anything taught in apostate Christendom. Everything taught in the Roman Catholic church comes from tradition. Mark 7:13; (Jesus Christ speaking) and thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition which you handed down. And many things similar to this you do. Colossians 2:8; Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; Matthew 15:2; (Pharisees and scribes speaking to Jesus Christ) “Why is it your disciples overstep the tradition of the men of former times? 3 In reply he said to them: “Why is it you also overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition?” Now, what does the Roman church say about the so-called Christian churches of Christendom? www.the-ten-commandments....olic-tencommandments.html “It was the Catholic church which…has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.” — Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213. The same is said by the Roman church about the so-called Protestants (apostate Christendom) for their following of any of the dogma and tradition of the Roman church; they are our daughters for the homage they pay to us. www.catholicfirst.com/the...hurchdocuments/dogmas.cfm Dogmas of the Catholic Church Positive Foundation of the Dogma of the Trinity The Trinity came from the Roman Catholic church. Period. I have posted all of the details about this before. If you are a Trinitarian, essentially, you are a Roman Catholic, and this is the opinion of the Roman Catholic church, not mine. People here in the 4um have told me that the Trinity is… a mystery. No one understands it, but… we have to believe it. WHY? There are no mysteries in the Bible. Jesus Christ himself said that he said nothing in secret! ALL WAS REVEALED. The problem is, you have to do the work, the study, and the reading, in order to gain understanding. I cleansed myself of the Trinity beliefs long before I met my first Witness. Just by reading the Bible on my own, and, trusting the Bible that I was reading; a King James Bible. THAT, is the big difference between all of you, and all Jehovah’s Witnesses (including myself). They read the Bible EVERY day. And you claim that they are confused? How dare you. Remember this verse? I have posted it often enough; John 17:3; This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. What do you suppose it means? How about this; John 15:19; If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you. Everything that you all hold so dear comes from the world. Christmas, Easter, all of the holy days set up by the Roman church, the traditions that all of you hold so dear, and you do not understand? Is eternal life that valueless to you?! That you can not do your own study to learn?! Answer me this; why does the world hate Jehovah’s Witnesses?! But loves the Catholics, Baptists and all apostate Christendom? Luke 13; 24, 27; Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able, 25 when once the householder has got up and locked the door, and you start to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Sir, open to us.’ But in answer he will say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will start saying, ‘We ate and drank in front of you, and you taught in our broad ways.’ 27 But he will speak and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from. Get away from me, all you workers of unrighteousness.!’ I left the world long ago. I joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses because they are the only group I have found that closely follow the teachings of the Bible; organized apostate Christendom DOES NOT. Not even remotely, which each of you would understand (and honestly, probably do) if you but did the due diligence necessary to learn. The choice is yours; study, or accept the second death, which is in the lake of fire. A NOTE; I COULD CONTINUE THIS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, JUST LISTING THE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG IN CHRISTENDOM, SUCH AS BLOOD. WHY? EITHER YOU WILL CHOSE TO STUDY, OR, YOU WILL NOT. THAT CHOICE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Jehovah God DOES NOT require it. But His promises are dependent upon it.
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#1. To: lodwick, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Itisa1mosttoolate, robnoel, Original_Intent, Phant2000, Red Jones, noone222, buckeye, all (#0)
PING!
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Snarly atheism is the only thing my parents gave me, and its the only thing I would have wanted.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
If you would, a couple of questions - 1)what 'version/translation' of the Bible do you read when you want guidance? and 2)did the Holy Spirit exist before Christ's ascension?
I use two. The King James because I am so familiar with it, but when something does not click clearly, usually because of the archaic language, I use the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. As time goes on, I will use that more and more, if for no other reason, than it has His Holy Name restored in it. did the Holy Spirit exist before Christ's ascension? Of course. Long before.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Shouldn't this be titled: Why I Left Organized Christendom – and Why I Joined Organized JW
Thank you - I will check out the NWT version, but since the KJV was what I learned to read, I'll probably stick with it, since it's so familiar. The reason that I asked about the Spirit, was that to my recollection, the first time this was mentioned was when Christ was saying 'good-bye' to his guys, and they were whining around about what was to become of them; and Jesus told them that they would something 'greater than I' to be with them after his ascension. I'm asking was the Spirit, just waiting in the bull-pen for eons waiting to be called into the game, or was he created when he was needed? You do not have to try and answer this one. Many things are out there that we are not meant, or are capable of knowing in this life.
No, the spirit always was. We are told of the Spirit in Psalms 104:30; If you send forth your spirit, they are created; And you make the face of the ground new. So we know that Jehovah's Holy Spirit has been around for some time. The correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to that spirit. With this viewpoint in mind, it is logical to conclude that the holy spirit is the active force of God. It is not a person but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Thanks, I'll study more.
Define organized. Do the Witnesses keep careful records of their work for Jehovah so that they do not fail in their obligations? Of course. Do they have to tithe to support an organization? No. Do they have ministers or priests? No. Do they have churches? No. Is there anyone in the 'organization' -- anywhere -- who does not participate in the preaching of the Good News door to door? No. Do they, as an organization, speak with one voice? Yes. What is that voice? The Bible. EVERY Jehovah's Witness reads the Bible daily. And not just reads it; they delve into it, deeply, much more so than anyone else I have ever met.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
one more reason, eh?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Whne JWs show up my house, I'm always nice to them. Then I tell them that I'm busy. They look like Mormons but sometimes they're black. All religion is brainwashing.
And on the 8th day, god bellowed down from the heavens, "Up yours silly creatures, in the end I will send you an Obama to remove all that is good." - Corinthians, Second verse same as the first.
I guess I don't get it. Here, where I am, the average Jehovah's Witness has between 4 and 12 Bible students reading the Bible with him. This requires keeping apointments, making sure you know where each student has progressed to in the Bible, what literature is needed next for each student, if the student is going to the meetings to learn more, and etc. It's a lot of work, and if you try and keep it in your head, you will fail in your obligations to Jehovah, and the people who trust you to help them learn and understand. In addition, each Witness has an assigned area of the town where they knock on doors. That is carefully kept up to date so that no area is missed, or, gone over more than is needed. If there was a question in your comment, perhaps I have answered it. And yes, as new as I am to this, I have two Bible students, which I am not allowed, as yet, to teach on my own. And I am still a student of the Bible with Robert, who has been teaching me for the last 3 months, and helps me with my students as well.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Who needs Obama with all these spics and their accordian music? Little Brown Fuckers are racing cockroaches till like 2:00AM
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
It is not a religion. It is a complete way of life. Perhaps you missed the post; Make man in our image. That post explains the Bible. As to the Mormons, not hardly. They do this two years, and that is the end of it. I know Witnesses who have been doing this for more than 50 years. As I said, a way of life.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
I guess I don't get it. I always counted on my uncle Jesus to look out for me is all...
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I understand that many people have the need to be part of some group or another. More power to you if it's working in your life.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I have never had that need, and, I have never joined anything before. Thought about it, yes. Came close, yes, but nothing could be shown to be the truth. Took the man I was studying with about 6 months to show me truly what the Bible said. That was when I began to understand the power of study in a group, as it explains in the Bible. The Bible very clearly states that we are to congregate together. My problem was.... who with? Nobody follows the Bible. Well, as I learned, slowly, as the Bible opened up for me, yes, there are people who actucally live according to the Bible. You bet, I joined, just as quick as I finally figured it all out and understood.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
He does, indeed, if you ask. But that does not releave us of our obligations and responsibilities.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
It also states that women and children are to be slaughtered mercilessly. Then it states that we need to turn the other cheek and love each other. Then it states that God will kill us all except for a few of us. I'd rather just go with my own common sense and attempt to be kind and considerate to those in my life.
There'll be no room in the Long Boats for them when we sail to Valhalla! ODIN!!!!!
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
You are correct. Perfect Justice is harsh. Those who violate His Law are given notice, and when they do not repent, all suffer the same punishment. The Flood is a perfect example. Noah said, FLEE! PLEASE! No one listened. All died, including countless children. There is also a stern lesson in there for all of us. Then it states that we need to turn the other cheek and love each other. Yep, that we are. Peace and harmony. Says the meek are to inherit the earth, and no one else. The Bible also warns us not to seek vengence, for vengence is mine saith the Lord. And if we refuse this advise? See above. Then it states that God will kill us all except for a few of us. Actually, the Bible clearly says that Jesus Christ will do the judging. According to the will of His Father. But you are correct; only those who learn what His Will is, and surrender to it, will gain everlasting life on a paradise earth. You do understand. I'd rather just go with my own common sense and attempt to be kind and considerate to those in my life. That is certainly your right. I take it that this means that you have no wish to attain everlasting life if it means surrendering your will to God, correct?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
I hope you find peace and answers to questions in this life through JW. My personal opinion is JW falls short and is the recycled teachings of Arius. Again, if it answers questions for you, I am happy for you.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
- Corinthians, Second verse same as the first. dying....
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i don't answer the door. how would they like it if i knocked on their doors sans invitation and preached wiccan? ;P
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www.witnessesforjesus.org/ The Ministry of Witnesses for Jesus, Inc - Christian Training - How to Witness to Mormons and How to Witness to Jehovah’s Witnesses We are a Christian ministry whose purpose is to equip and train Christians how to witness with the love and truth of Christ to those who are lost in the spiritual deception of the Mormon and Jehovah’s Witness religions. Witnesses for Jesus, Inc. is a Christian 501(c)3 non-profit organization, and we are endorsed by:...... Comment: All"formal" churches are 501(c)3 non-profit organizations coming under the "authority" of the US Gov't
That would be a very unWicca thing to do. We don't go out and preach. I'd answer the door and ask, "This is a joke, right?"
I have spoken to the Jehovah's Witnesses and have found them to be people of principle. My objection is the idea that God would reveal the truth in a book. I think the Bible contains a lot of wisdom but God reveals Himself in nature too, and especially in man, that He made in His image. Everlasting life can be attained through our children and through a reverence for sustainable human fertility.
While I support and defend their right to believe as they wish, freedom of conscience and belief is fundamental to a free society, I do not share their beliefs and will not be browbeaten into doing so. It reminds me of the Southern Baptists who are opposed to sex because it might lead to dancing. Life is to be lived not lost in dour and mournful contemplation. I do not expect that God expects of us a hair shirt existence.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Amen!
Your point? Ain't a lot of Kool-Aid drinking Republicrats here. Of course we don't worship the Obamessiah either.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Of course it is. It's a belief system based on adherence to a set of writings that you believe to be divinely inspired because someone you feel is an authority of such things told you so. It's all based on faith, and also in the trust you have for the person who led you to have that faith in the first place. You also have to genuinely believe that he is telling you the truth, and that he knows what the truth really is. Myself, I have found no such person whom I would view as the knower of all truths.
Just do like I do, answer the door naked. They never come back.
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
I wonder if you understand that justice delivers life, and that the state is anti-life.
Did you know that the fable of Noah's ark is a rewrite of an earlier legend called the Epic of Gilgamesh, written in Sumerian times? Here's a verse from the Sumerian text; ‘O man of Shuruppak, son of Ubartutu: Tear down the house and build a boat! Abandon wealth and seek living beings! Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings! Make all living beings go up into the boat. The boat which you are to build, its dimensions must measure equal to each other: its length must correspond to its width.’
The quote phrase reminded me of General Jack D. Ripper's litany about preserving America's precious bodily fluids. I have to laugh that anyone is insane enough to talk like that about progeny purity. And I don't worship any candidate, I just plan to vote for one, as is my perogerative to do.
Have you SEEN Christine's profile pic? Good grief, if she were to answer the door naked she'd NEVER be rid of the little buggers. Now, if I were to answer the door naked, sure, they'd flee in terror. But then they'd probably sue me for emotional distress and damages for mental torment.
So there is no confusion.
#2. To: richard9151 (#0)
#3. To: richard9151 (#0)
#4. To: lodwick (#3)
1)what 'version/translation' of the Bible do you read when you want guidance?
#5. To: richard9151 (#0)
Why I Left Organized Christendom – and Why I Joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses
#6. To: richard9151 (#4)
#7. To: lodwick (#6)
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or was he created when he was needed?
#8. To: richard9151 (#7)
It is not a person but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.
#9. To: bluegrass (#5)
and Why I Joined Organized JW
#10. To: richard9151 (#9)
Do the Witnesses keep careful records of their work for Jehovah so that they do not fail in their obligations?
#11. To: richard9151 (#9)
#12. To: Dakmar (#2)
(Edited)
Snarly atheism is the only thing my parents gave me
#13. To: Dakmar (#10)
one more reason, eh?
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
And on the 8th day, god bellowed down from the heavens, "Up yours silly creatures, in the end I will send you an Obama to remove all that is good."
#15. To: bluegrass (#11)
All religion is brainwashing.
#16. To: richard9151 (#13)
Do the Witnesses keep careful records of their work for Jehovah so that they do not fail in their obligations?
#17. To: richard9151 (#15)
It is a complete way of life.
#18. To: richard9151 (#15)
I don't need some turkey tellin' me that I ain't country...
#19. To: bluegrass (#17)
I understand that many people have the need to be part of some group or another.
#20. To: Dakmar (#16)
I always counted on my uncle Jesus to look out for me is all...
#21. To: richard9151 (#20)
Just like Johnny Cash, I told em all to kiss my ass!
#22. To: richard9151 (#19)
The Bible very clearly states that we are to congregate together.
#23. To: Dakmar (#14)
Who needs Obama with all these spics and their accordian music? Little Brown Fuckers are racing cockroaches till like 2:00AM
#24. To: Flintlock (#23)
#25. To: bluegrass (#22)
It also states that women and children are to be slaughtered mercilessly.
#26. To: richard9151 (#0)
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
And on the 8th day, god bellowed down from the heavens, "Up yours silly creatures, in the end I will send you an Obama to remove all that is good."
#28. To: bluegrass (#11)
Whne JWs show up my house,
#29. To: richard9151 (#1)
#30. To: christine (#28)
"i don't answer the door. how would they like it if i knocked on their doors sans invitation and preached wiccan?"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#31. To: richard9151 (#25)
"you have no wish to attain everlasting life"
#32. To: christine (#28)
#33. To: Peter Carswell (#31)
"...a reverence for sustainable human fertility"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#34. To: Original_Intent, christine (#32)
Life is to be lived not lost in dour and mournful contemplation. I do not expect that God expects of us a hair shirt existence.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#35. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
#36. To: richard9151 (#15)
It is not a religion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#37. To: christine (#28)
#38. To: Ferret Mike (#33)
#39. To: richard9151 (#25)
Noah said, FLEE! PLEASE! No one listened. All died, including countless children
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: Original_Intent (#35)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#41. To: Critter (#37)
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Just do like I do, answer the door naked. They never come back.
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#42. To: Peter Carswell (#38)
And I wonder if you know you make as much sense here as Byeltsin does on LibertyPost.Org does with his Haiku style postings.
"I wonder if you understand that justice delivers life, and that the state is anti-life."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#43. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
Do you think the statists are divinely-inspired?
#44. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
When is your hero monkey boy obama going to release his birth certificate? His medical records? His educational records? We're waiting
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#42)
Umm... Byeltsin doesn't speak in Haiku, it's more like someone on acid transcribing psychiatric journals written in bad Japanese by passive aggressive steampunk cosplayers. PURPOSE! But NOT! Whereas the POINT were, therefore, nothing taken towards GOALS! Goals defined by MEANINGS beyond the ability of uncaring dogs to LAY! WHYSO? Because of MENTION that was TAKEN to BE by superior intellects! Be AMAZED! Ow... now my head hurts.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#46. To: Flintlock (#44)
Go fuck yourself.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#47. To: Elliott Jackalope (#45)
Heh, I know what you mean. Trying to interpret his posts is often as pointless as trying to work out Pi to the last digit. ;-)
"Ow... now my head hurts."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#48. To: Peter Carswell (#43)
We have a government run by imperfect. flawed human beings. Something that is true of anything in the world of human society. We are very smart primates, and animals. We are not the apex of creation, we are apes, a species of chimpanzee. You have to understand I am of Wicca, and do not operate under the same sort of religious paradigm as you. Therefore, I am amused by your viewpoint and theories here, but we both have far different foundational belief about what life is, what happens after death, and why I believe all life is equally important, not just that which is human.
"Do you think the statists are divinely-inspired?"
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
It looks like I touched a nerve. Again, I ask you. When is Barry Soetoro aka: Barak Obama going to release his: Birth Certificate? Passport & Travel Records? Medical Records? Educational Records?
Go fuck yourself.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#50. To: Flintlock (#49)
You missed that part of your spew I will have no truck with. I am not a racist like you are. If you had left the racist sentiment out, I would have answered far differently. Got it?
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#48)
For the record, I think non-human life is valuable only to the extent that it is good for people. You're entitled to think otherwise, but you're not entitled to initiate force against people, even if you have an election ritual beforehand.
"I believe all life is equally important, not just that which is human."
#52. To: Ferret Mike (#50)
weseal You sound like Bevis & Butthead Answer the questions, they're easy. When is your hero Barry Soetoro aka: Barack Obama going to produce a birth certificate? I know where mine is. why can't he find his? When is he going to release his medical, educational & travel records? Come on weasel, it's not that hard...unless he's hiding something
racist Blah, blah, blah...... Ha, ha, HA
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#53. To: Peter Carswell (#51)
i wonder... if humans are the product of millions of years of an ecosystem's trial and error ... i guess what we gots to do here is exterminate every species that's potentially hostile to humans, and nevermind the fact that humanity is too stupid to realize that it's a product of its environment... too stupid to realize that human activities that degrade that environment will degrade the planet's capacity to sustain life, human and otherwise. good enough
For the record, I think non-human life is valuable only to the extent that it is good for people.
#54. To: wadosy (#53) (Edited)
You think so? Then who you gonna call?
"humanity is too stupid to realize ... that human activities that degrade that environment will degrade the planet's capacity to sustain life"
#55. To: Peter Carswell (#54)
ghostbusters?
#56. To: Peter Carswell (#54)
you dont seem to realize that everybody's got their own little brand of ghost that's supposed to deliver them from human folly. somebody's ghost has gots to be wrong.
#57. To: Peter Carswell (#51)
I believe strongly in Deep Ecology; that all life has a right to exist for the value and worth it has to itself. Humans are too arrogant and quick to strip this inalienable right all life has from it in their obsession to instrumentalize everything into a dollar. Now as to your other statement concerning force, I am not a mind reader. Perhaps you have a Calvin Coolidge-like passion to strip your verbiage down to the bare bones, but unless you give enough content to it, it is hard to respond to some parts of your posts.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#58. To: Flintlock (#52)
Then get your hands out of that pants pocket and stop playing with yourself.
"it's not that hard..."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#59. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
I believe that all life is sacred so long as it remains in a submissive posture and does absolutely nothing whatsoever to annoy me in any way. But the MOMENT one of those critters buzzes me or takes a stroll across my cornflakes, it's TOAST. It's like the deal I have with the spiders around here: Outside is YOUR home, inside is MY home. I'll leave you alone outside, but you put one hairy leg inside my house, and I reserve the right to do the fandango on your squishy little carcass. It works for me.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#60. To: wadosy (#56)
That's why I don't like statism. We're all stuck with a "ghost" that keeps stealing our money. I'm saying that you pay for your "ghost" and I'll pay for mine.
"somebody's ghost has gots to be wrong"
#61. To: Peter Carswell (#60)
no amount of your libertarian mumbo jumbo is gonna make up for the fact that humanity is damaging the planet and harming the planet's capacity to sustain life. no amount of ghastly randish saviors will deliver your grandkids from your sins.
#62. To: Ferret Mike (#57)
You can spend your money to protect non-human life. But don't use that as an excuse to tax and legislate other people.
"Humans are too arrogant and quick to strip this inalienable right all life has from it"
#63. To: wadosy (#61)
And again, who you gonna call?
"humanity is damaging the planet and harming the planet's capacity to sustain life"
#64. To: Peter Carswell (#63)
*sigh* i guess i gotta call ghostbusters... once they rid the planet of such convenient excuses for brutalizing the planet, maybe humanity will have a chance of surviving.
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#58)
weasel You keep trying to change the subject,and evade the questions. You know Barry Soetoro aka: obama is not eligible to be on the ballot. Why won't he release his birth certificate? The American people have a right to see it!
stop playing with yourself. (Bevis & Butthead laughing in the background)
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#66. To: Peter Carswell (#63) (Edited)
on the other hand, maybe i'll consult genetic engineers. all my grandchildren need is a few cockroach genes, and they oughta do just fine.
And again, who you gonna call?
#67. To: Elliott Jackalope (#59)
It's like the deal I have with the spiders around here: Outside is YOUR home, inside is MY home. I'll leave you alone outside, but you put one hairy leg inside my house, and I reserve the right to do the fandango on your squishy little carcass. It works for me. laughing...
But the MOMENT one of those critters buzzes me or takes a stroll across my cornflakes, it's TOAST.
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#68. To: Ferret Mike (#30)
mine was a joke. ;)
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
#69. To: wadosy (#64)
You don't seem to want to say it, but don't you want to sic the dogs of the state on us?
"i guess i gotta call ghostbusters... "
#70. To: Peter Carswell (#69)
you seem to be too dense to realize, from your exalted position as libertarian party kommissar, that i'm completely aware that "states" have got us into this fiasco. you'll have to pardon me if i've decided against "statist" solutions, which is why i'm writing so many letters of inquiry to genetic engineers. . meanwhile, we're all pulling for a libertarian solution to the peak oil problem, as it becomes more and more obvious that jesus seems to be incapable of producing oil.
You don't seem to want to say it, but don't you want to sic the dogs of the state on us?
#71. To: Peter Carswell (#69)
too bad chevys dont run on fishes and loaves.
#72. To: Flintlock (#65) (Edited)
My son is half white, half black; if you called him what you refered Barack Obama as to his and or my face, I'd rip yours' off that thick skull/bone wart on your shoulders and stick the skin of your visage on a nearby pane of glass. Now, what part of I do not like your racism do you not understand? Predicate a comment or question with the trapping of it, it gets zero response from me. It then deserves none. Now that is spelled out, I'm done period, with any more responses to you.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#73. To: wadosy (#70)
"chevys dont run on fishes and loaves" Ok so we're both going for market solutions. Well why didn't you say so? :) As for fuel, I really want to investigate water (hydrogen) cars further. Do you know anything about that? Even though I think "peak oil" is a scam, maybe it isn't going to matter very much.
"i've decided against "statist" solutions"
#74. To: Peter Carswell (#73) (Edited)
as far as i can tell, there's nothing in the pipeline to replace petroleum. it's a matter of EROEI, which is "energy returned on energy invested". there's no denying that giant fields like saudi's ghawar are not being discovered. there's no denying that we're using maybe three or four times as much oil as we're discovering. there's no denying, despite the fact that america was the world's biggest oil producer and had the most expertise, technology and bankroll, american oil production peaked in 1970. . in a couple centuries, we've used sunlight that's taken millions of years to accumulate.. . the worst thing about it, the actions of governments, worldwide, make the most sense in the context of peak oil.
#75. To: Peter Carswell (#73) (Edited)
you gotta wonder why the la times lets posts like this survive... crashing the stock market seems counterproductive, unless you're in position to loot like the oligarchs looted the soviet union as it collapsed, but maybe that's all that's left... looting... anyhow, there's no doubt that america will suffer a massive readjustment of its way of life even though "the american way of life is not negotiable". yawn. it just gets tiresome as the powers-that-be resort to all these shenanigans in an effort to disguise the fact that their "new pearl harbor", a pretext to start the oil acquisition project, was their response to peak oil. it would have been so much simpler had they told everyone the truth right from the beginning, starting in maybe 1970, when american oil production peaked, despite the best tech, the best experts, and the biggest bankrolls... ...but now it's too late to tell the truth, isnt it...? ...because if the powers-that-be acknowledged the cause of these problems, they'd make it easier for common people to connect the dots... peak oil to 9/11 to the "war on terror". ho hum . . "The over-riding issue worldwide is that we are addressing symptoms rather than problems..." uh huh. the problem is: global crude oil production has been flat for the last four years, and all these shenanigans, starting with 9/11, have been the response to that problem. the oil acquisition project ---aka PNAC--- is failing. that project was intended, in the best of all neocon worlds, to acquire control of the world's oil, most especially the oil in the middle east, caspian and central asian regions... ...not forgetting, of course, that israeli russians were still controlling russian energy and pipelines when the project kickoff party ---aka 9/11--- was staged, and those oily israeli russians were most likely part of the PNAC plan. so everything was set up, but then putin queered the whole deal by doublecrossing the oligarchs like gusinsky, berezovsky and khodorkovsky... at which point the israeli americans of PNAC/AEI and the israeli american media went nuts with condemnations of putin, condemnations that will supposedly lead to regime change (at best) or a nuke first strike (at worst) in russia, restoring israeli russians, most of whom fled to israel, to control of russian energy. google: "nuclear primacy" and "full spectrum dominance" in the meantime, though, global oil production has stagnated despite a massive increase in drills---and as oil prices rocketed to nearly $150 a barrel, it was becoming painfully obvious to everyone that something was haywire with the oil situation. so what to do? well, it's just so awfully convenient that GM, in the guise of its Ditech subsidiary, convinced americans that the housing market was going to the moon, the fed lowered interest rates, and housing was sold to people who really could only afford a bicycle and a cat. propinquity abounded, especially when it came time to crash the global economy to disguise the fact that oil production is on its way down, there's no viable alternative yet devised, and that's what caused our heroic leaders to do the 9/11 caper. well, so what? the main thing is: the right guys are still in position to loot their doggy asses off, if it comes to that, not to mention the fact that the american way of life, negotiable or not, is doomed because it's been built from the ground up on cheap oil. as far as i can tell, none of the above is my fault. the oil acquisition project seems to be stalled, and absent another "catastrophic and catalyzing event... like a new pearl harbor", it seems unlikely to get back on schedule.
#76. To: christine (#28)
That'd be even more annoying as they'd try to 'save' you. : )
how would they like it if i knocked on their doors sans invitation and preached wiccan? ;P
#77. To: richard9151 (#1)
some random thoughts... Jeremiah 10:2, ; Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. … I probably do not need to transcribe these verses for you from another Bible; all of them are basically the same. After I read this, I had to go back and read it several more times over a period of time, just to be sure that it said everything that I thought it did. No Christmas tree?! Where did this come from? I agree the way we celebrate Christmas has pagan roots, HOWEVER, I don't expect my Christmas tree [when I have one] to TALK, nor do I expect it to "go", and I don't "bear it" anywhere. Once I set it up, it's pretty stationary until I take it down. God wasn't talking about CHRISTMAS TREES. He was talking about wooden IDOLS, such as those the antichrist heathens of the City of London continue to carry around today: "Gog and Magog Magog in the Guildhall The statues of Gog and Magog currently standing in the Guildhall were commissioned from sculptor David Evans by Alderman Sir George Wilkinson, who was Lord Mayor when the previous versions were destroyed in the Blitz. The phoenix shield tells us that this is Magog. The previous statues stood for over two hundred years. ****They were carved by Captain Richard Saunders in 1708 to replace older wicker-and-plaster statues that had succumbed first to fire and then to rats and mice. Gog and Magog In 2006 the original wicker Gog and Magog finally returned to the Lord Mayor's Procession, thanks to months of hard work by the Company of Basketmakers. Towards the head of the procession you will see two stern but benevolent wicker giants. They are Gog and Magog, the traditional guardians of the City of London, and they have been carried in the Lord Mayor’s Show since the reign of Henry V. Gog and Magog, or sometimes Gogmagog and Corineus, are descended from the pagan giants of early English pageantry and their origins lie in ancient legends of Britain’s beginning........ Our giants have no trace of the supernatural about them. They come from folk custom, deriving their names from pseudo-historical characters like Gogmagog, from Biblical history like Samson, or from classical mythology like Hercules. They are a part of a tradition in English pageantry which **** pre-dates Christianity. The custom of carrying effigies and images at festivals is sometimes explained as an echo of the days when the same festival would have revolved around a human sacrifice. The victim was replaced with a symbolic representation, and as the old rites were incorporated into the Church, the sacrificial effigy came to represent the saint whose sacrifice was being celebrated. Whatever one thinks of this theory, the custom of carrying effigies at festivals was widespread in the middle ages both in England but on the continent, and the giants of pre-christian mythology were among them. The huge figures that you will see on the day of the Lord Mayor’s Show are just the latest versions of pagan effigies that go back thousands of years........" www.lordmayorsshow.org/visitors/history/gogmagog "....they speak not and need to be borne...." Now where did this JW particular objection to Christmas originate do you suppose. [And remember, Cornwallis told George Washington: A HOLY WAR will now begin against America. She will think she is free, but HER CHURCHES WOULD BE USED TO TEACH THE JEWS' RELIGION, and she would be working toward divine government which is the (Judeo) British (see: http://www.asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html ) Empire. This is important, because THIS is the hidden hand we have been fighting for over 400 years in this country. (Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16-29/Psalm 2 ..... AMERICA is ISRAEL. http://www.originofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm) It is so important I am going to quote it all again:] "....British Israelism is his grand design. far back the plot to take America with the Kingdom Message has been organized. It is certain that Senator Joseph McCarthy did much research on the Communist conspiracy. He came too close when he discovered British Israel and its Kingdom Message propaganda. The following quotes are from an article with the title: GEORGE WASHINGTON'S SURRENDER: "And many of the people of the land became Jews." Esther 9:17. "The confession of General Cornwallis to General Washington at Yorktown has been well hidden by historians. History books and text books have taught for years that when Cornwallis surrendered his army to General Washington that American independence came, and we lived happily ever after until the tribulations of the twentieth century." "Jonathan Williams recorded in his LEGIONS OF SATAN, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction: "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry." And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back through a false religion what he had won with his army. "Cornwallis well knew that his military defeat was only the beginning of world catastrophe that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished through a false religion. What he predicted has come to pass. A brief sketch of American religious history and we have seen Masonry infused into every church in America With their veiled Phallic religion. "Darby and the Plymouth Brethren brought a Jewish Christianity to America. Masons Rutherford and Russell started Jehovah Witnesses' Judaism which is now worldwide with their message of the divine kingdom. Mason Joseph Smith started Mormon Judaism with its Jewish teaching of *** millennialism. "At the turn of the twentieth century there appeared the Scofield Bible with a Jewish interpretation of the prophecies. With wide use of this "helpful" aid all the American churches have silently become synagogues. We now have Baptist Jews, Methodist Jews, Church of God Jews, apostate Catholic Jews, and many Protestant Jews throughout America. We are aliens in our own country because of false religion. All are praying for divine deliverance into that "Divine Government" which Cornwallis knew to be the British Empire. "A false religion has been used to deceive us into allegiance to our enemies of Yorktown and Bunker Hill. No! Not a gun has been fired but the invisible and malignant process of conquering America with the Jew's religion has gone on unabated. The Union Jack has been planted in our hearts with religious deception. All has happened "legally," "constitutionally," "freely" and completely within our most sacred trust -- our churches. Religious deception is painless innoculation against truth. It cannot be removed from the conscience with surgery, yet it is the motivator of our actions and directly controls our lives. Once man gives over to false religion, he is no longer rational because he originates no thought. His life is controlled by whomever controls his religion. "The veil of false religion is the sword of Damocles and its power to control humanity defies even the imagination of tyrants who use it." "This is not to say that George Washington was a traitor willingly, or knowingly. He was beguiled into a Satanic religious order that insidiously controls men's minds. So have American statesmen and military leaders down through the years given aid and allegiance to the enemies of the United States because they did not have knowledge of the invisible subterfuge that stalks this land. My eyes were opened the day my colleague from Ohio handed me Wagner's FREEMASONRY AN INTERPRETATION. If every American would read it, they would no longer ask why and how it has happened." Given by Senator Joseph McCarthy, six months before his mouth was closed forever. End of quote from GEORGE WASHINGTON'S SURRENDER. ....." THIS ARTICLE STARTS OUT THUS: "The Union Jack by Helen Peters ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EPILOGUE The Watchtower Society, better known as Jehovah's Witnesses, is a massive international movement and an important crypto- Jewish cult in the spread of the kingdom message. In their issue of AWAKE on October 8, 1971, page 23 under title The Barrier of Nationalism Removed, we read this statement: "God's kingdom will forever remove the barrier of nationalism; people of all races will live in peace under one government." End of quote. This is the purpose of all kingdom cults to remove the barrier of nationalism by teaching a false religion which promotes World Government. Is this not Communism? Fear hysteria is used constantly to drive humanity to a state of mind which causes them to desire the relief which is promised by the kingdom cults in their kingdom message. In the same Jehovah's Witnesses publication named above they play up the propaganda of crime, sickness, poverty, pollution, drug abuse, overpopulation and famine. All this is the big lie to bring us to expect a state of collapse at any time. This fear hysteria neutralizes us with a feeling of hopelessness. When one is under the influence of this propaganda, he stops doing anything constructive. No one ever does anything constructive while fearing an imminent crisis whether real or imagined. In this state of mind one would not plant a rose for fear he would never see it bloom. Our country is a haven for artificially induced public hysterias. A crisis is created out of thin air such as pollution or overpopulation and people are herded like cattle this way and that, always against their best interest. A case in point is Ralph Nader's consumerism which he builds on created myths and which has caused a higher cost of living for the consumer without any added benefits. A new publication by a British Israel Identity group called CHRISTIAN VANGUARD is off on Jew-bait as one would expect. In their issue #12 they attack the books THE UNION JACK and SPIRITUAL COMMUNISM. On page six they made this revealing statement, quote: "To wreck both conservative and Identity movements they had to find a tie to link them together. That tie was in the almost universal belief, by ALMOST ALL PROTESTANT ORGANIZATIONS, that Christ will return to earth to rule physically for 1,000 years." "Although there was no other point of similarity between 'conservatives' and the Identity movement, they found this one 'link.'" End of quote. This one "link" is all important because it not only ties in the conservative and Identity Movements, it links them with the Jew's religion which the Identity people promote as the Kingdom Message. The Identity people are bastard offspring of Judaism because their belief in the earthly kingdom is Judaism. ........" http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/unionjack_epilogue.htm I agree with this author that Jehovah's Witness is a crypto-Judeo-Masonic organization. However, I disagree with her contention that God is not building His kingdom on earth. He most certainly is [BUT IT WON'T BE UNDER ANTICHRIST JEWS OR MEROVINGIAN "DIVINE RIGHT TO RULE" KINGS, OR THEIR APOSTATE "JUDEO-CHRISTIAN" RELIGION], but I DO agree the "1,000" years bit the JUDEO-Christian churches believe in is a crock. This is a dangerous heresy that ranks right up with there with, and supports, the "rapture". We are living in the so-called "millennium" right now, and have been since the resurrection and God destroyed the Jews' kingdom, and turned it over to His saints. [I started a post on that subject yesterday, and will see if I can find it in these 113 windows.] Back to where this particular objection to Christmas REALLY came from: Why don't jews celebrate xmas? - Yahoo! Answers 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, ... http://www.noahide.com/infiltration/xmas... .... answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071005213253AArlJEc [NOTE THE NOAHIDE ADDRESS] CHRISTMAS AND PAGANISM - The Tamar Yonah Show - Blogs - Arutz Sheva Dec 25, 2007 ... 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. Cutting down a tree to place in the ... www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/2494 and lookie, lookie...what have we here?? British-Israel !! British-Israel.us - Lesson 18 - What's Wrong With "CHRISTMAS?" They DECK it with SILVER and with GOLD; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright like the palm tree, but speak not" ... www.british-israel.us/18.html I gave it a cursory glance. It looks very good, richard; I think you would approve. It even ends up blaming it all on Rome. I will have to read it later, and re-read what-all was written about their Gog and Magog statues and THEIR PAGAN ORIGINS which PREDATED CHRISTIANITY, and digest it all. At first glance, this appears to be more of Judeo-British-Israel's Hegelian dialectic approach to moving the herd in the direction they want us to go. JUDAISM CREATED Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian in the original sense of the word, and you know that. I think you know about the super-secret "Pilgrims Society". They have been working in tandem with all those other groups to bring us back to heel under The City. They are also the ones behind our merger with Canada. They just need "one ring" [universal religion] to bind us. Remember these people are descended from the Khazars [who were also related to THREE OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL], who offered up two opposing religions to their people, Christianity and Islam [thesis/antithesis], and then provided them with the solution: JUDAISM. Good trick. It's worked for them for thousands of years. They have offered us so many forms of Judeo-Christianity. They must think the Jehovah's Witnesses is the best way to go, since they don't charge for their instruction. Guess what? The Rothschild British-Israel site scepterofjudah doesn't charge for all their Judeo-"Christian" fascism instruction, either. That's not Biblical either. The priests, as servants of the Lord, were supported by the people. I will have a couple more things to add to the above later.....since you "asked".
you rang?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#78. To: Elliott Jackalope, Christine (#41)
Dang, you ruined part two of my plan. I was going to dress as a witness and go ring her doorbell.
Have you SEEN Christine's profile pic?
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
#79. To: scooter (#26)
Thank you. I appreciate that, but the JWs are not the ones with the answers. This is what people do not grasp. All the JWs do is open the Bible for people. That is where the answers are; not with the JWs. They admit, openly, when they have been in error in how they understood Scripture and they change, openly; how many other 'churches' in Christendom have you seen do that? When you have 7 million people reading the Bible together, plus countless more millions reading with them, well, things become clearer and questions are answered that all have had about the Bible. Takes time to work through the system, but work through it does, just as promised in the Bible.
I am happy for you.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#80. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
That's because you fall for the fallacy that pi are square. Pi are not square, pi are round. Cornbread are square.
Trying to interpret his posts is often as pointless as trying to work out Pi to the last digit
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
#81. To: Peter Carswell (#31)
Why would you find that objectionable? Do you believe in Almighty God? If you do, then what part of Almighty confuses you? If He is Almighty, then He surely has the wherewithal to protect His Holy Word in a book. And He does. That is what is so fasinating about the Bible; it is easily the most complicated book ever written; it harmonizes throughout, even though it was written over about 1700 years, by more than 40 different men. It is its own witness. and especially in man, that He made in His image. I put up a post several days ago titled; Make man in our image. It is under the religion thread; I think you would find it of interest. Everlasting life can be attained through our children and through a reverence for sustainable human fertility. Really? OK, but I much prefer the promises detailed to us in the Bible by Jehovah God, where He promises life eternal to those who willingly accept His Will. Remember the Lord's prayer? Let your Will be done in heaven and on earth (paraphrased)? Simply stated, Jehovah God has never, and can never, break one of His Promises. Much of the Bible is involved in explaining that. Pretty neat when you get it all.
My objection is the idea that God would reveal the truth in a book.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#82. To: FormerLurker (#36)
Ummmm. Nope. Guess not. I was raised a Roman Catholic, and get this; they don't read the Bible. Ever. In fact, the local priest, where I went to the Catholic school, went out of his way to discourage such. I found the Bible on my own, and read it on my own for more than 20 years, cleansing myself along the way of most of the garbage that I carried from organized religion. Once you begin to understand the Bible, there is no doubt that it is divinely instpired. NO DOUBT. BUT, that means ALL of the Bible, and not just selected parts. Myself, I have found no such person whom I would view as the knower of all truths. There is no such person. THAT IS THE POINT. All men are liars; does anyone doubt that?! So, then, what is the source of Truth that all men can trust? (See the note I just put up in this tread to Peter Carswell, please.)
Of course it is. It's a belief system based on adherence to a set of writings that you believe to be divinely inspired because someone you feel is an authority of such things told you so.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#83. To: christine (#28)
They would very politely invite you in and visit with you. And you may not leave as a wiccan, which would be the point, don't you see. That is what got me; when Gary talked to me, knowing everything that I know, sure, I'll study the Bible with you, and, (silently) teach you a few things along the way. Oops!
i don't answer the door. how would they like it if i knocked on their doors sans invitation and preached wiccan? ;P
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#84. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#77)
This is the purpose of all kingdom cults to remove the barrier of nationalism by teaching a false religion which promotes World Government. Is this not Communism? They serve no governments of men. They understand perfectly that the ONLY government is that government headed by Jehovah God, with Jesus Christ sitting on the throne as King and Judge of the earth. Jesus Christ said it very plainly; "My government is not of this world." people of all races will live in peace under one government This is exactly what they are talking about. Do not talk about things that you do not understand; if you have questions, ask. I assume you understand where Jehovah God disowned the Israelites and declared that He would chose a people for Himself out of all of the peoples that inhabit the earth, which is the Second Covenant. This is EXACTLY why they do not vote, or, serve in any military. In fact, just a few years ago, 10 brothers in Africa were hanged when they refused to 'learn war (no more).' They are completely neutral as pertains to any of the world's organizations.
"God's kingdom will forever remove the barrier of nationalism; people of all races will live in peace under one government." End of quote.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#85. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
Got it. Anyone who judges another upon such superficial characteristics as skin tone and eye shape alone is just that - superficial and shallow. Luuuuuuk deep into my eyes. Do not luuuk at thee man behind the curtain. Ignore that both candidates are coached by the same interests (Oh'Bummer Zbignew Brzhenski, and McNutz Ziggy's son.) You vill beeelief that they are very different vhen they are two pods in the same Matrix. You vill hear worts such as "change" and "hope" and go into a deep trance and ignore all uther efidence. You vill become vun with the collectiff. You vill no longer be concerned about such thinks as freedom und liberty. You vill hobey.
The quote phrase reminded me of General Jack D. Ripper's litany about preserving America's precious bodily fluids.
I have to laugh that anyone is insane enough to talk like that about progeny purity.
And I don't worship any candidate, I just plan to vote for one, as is my perogerative to do.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#86. To: richard9151 (#82) (Edited)
I was brought up Roman Catholic and went to Catholic school, so I know more than you think about it. We studied the Old Testament more than anything else, but did so through Catechism, not the Bible itself. We of course learned about church doctrine, the Trinity, the sacraments, etc. When I actually picked up a Bible and looked it over, I couldn't believe anyone in modern times could believe such stuff. I realized why the Church hid it from view except for selected excerpts read out loud in Mass by the priest, as most educated people would have laughed it off as archaic fantasies of an ignorant people. However, the Church actually WROTE what became the New Testament, transcribing text from supposed letters of the diciples, although the origin of those letters is highly dubious. So your belief that everything in there was written by God is just that, a belief, AND a religion. In reality it was written by men, which you have even just said yourself are all liars.
Ummmm. Nope. Guess not. I was raised a Roman Catholic, and get this; they don't read the Bible. Ever. In fact, the local priest, where I went to the Catholic school, went out of his way to discourage such. I found the Bible on my own, and read it on my own for more than 20 years, cleansing myself along the way of most of the garbage that I carried from organized religion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: richard9151 (#82)
That might be the only positive thing I brought away from my Catholic education. Aesop's Fables makes for a better read.
I was raised a Roman Catholic, and get this; they don't read the Bible. Ever.
#88. To: FormerLurker (#86)
That is not supported by historical fact. There are numerous references in the historical record of where the letters from the Apostles came from, and a clear record of who wrote them, over and beyond what is in the letters themselves. As to what people believe, that is generally only those who have a very, very thin knowledge of the surface of the Bible. When you study it, the knowledge and how it changes your life is amazing. The problem is, few will study it. There is a reason why more than 4 billion Bibles have been printed, and, why it has been studied for more than 3,500 years, starting from the time of Moses. For those of you who do not wish to study it, so be it. You have made your choice. I have no problem with that.
However, the Church actually WROTE what became the New Testament, transcribing text from supposed letters of the diciples, although the origin of those letters is highly dubious.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#89. To: richard9151 (#88)
For those of you who do not wish to study it, so be it. You have made your choice. I have no problem with that. Actually, the Book of Genesis in it's current form in Hebrew along with the rest of the Pentateuch was written somewhere 500-450 BC . From Wikipedia; So people couldn't have read the Torah in its current form until 2450 years ago, and the New Testament didn't exist until 1900 years ago or so. The reason why so many Bibles were printed is that Rome controlled the world, and when the secular empire faded away, the Roman Catholic church took over and FORCED people to believe, otherwise they were tortured and/or put to death. If you wish to believe that which was forced upon people under penalty of death, and see that as a path to everlasting life, so be it.
There is a reason why more than 4 billion Bibles have been printed, and, why it has been studied for more than 3,500 years, starting from the time of Moses.
This sees Genesis as a composite work assembled from originally independent sources: the J text, named for its use of the term YHWH (JHWH in German) as the name of God; the E text, named for its characteristic usage of the term "Elohim" for God; and the P, or Priestly source, named for its preoccupation with the Aaronid priesthood.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#90. To: FormerLurker (#89)
The reality is that the text known as "Torah" (Law) was in fact culled from other sources - much more ancient than we can trace. The "New Testament" as incorporated in the King James, and later, translations are themselves translations of translations of translations. At each step of the way it has modified for political expediency. This is not to cast aspersions upon the existence of God or that Jesus the Christ was a real historical figure, but that the text upon which people draw for authority in their pronouncements is not a true copy of the original and has been subject to "editing" for the prejudices of whatever temporal powers were at the time of the translation. Look up "The Council of Nicea".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#91. To: FormerLurker. all (#89)
Just like we go to foreign lands to kill off the people to liberate them. Insanity.
If you wish to believe that which was forced upon people under penalty of death, and see that as a path to everlasting life, so be it.
#92. To: FormerLurker (#89)
There is no force in the Bible. Period. No one has ever been forced to read the Bible; it is a free will choice. There is nothing of the Bible in the Roman Catholic church. Sorry if you are confused about that, but as I posted in this post, the Roman Catholic tradition comes straight from Babylon. I have posted many, many details about that several times. Rome specifically forbid people to read the Bible, and in fact put people to death who dared to do so. They killed about 10 million in Europe over the reformation. The printing of the Bible occured AFTER Rome lost control of the Bible because printing was invented.
If you wish to believe that which was forced upon people under penalty of death,
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#93. To: richard9151 (#92)
Rome specifically forbid people to read the Bible, and in fact put people to death who dared to do so. Have you ever looked into the word heresy and what a charge of heresy would lead to? If you disagreed with the church you were tortured and confessed to various crimes, and then were put to death, usually in very grotesque ways. The religious order that led such crusades against "heretics" is the same order that gave you your New Testament, as they are the ones that canonized whatever they wanted to put in there, after various translations, interpretations, and various "editing". Who knows if the original text were truly authentic, it's highly debatable that they even came from the named authors. I've never been told by a priest or a nun that it was a sin to read the Bible, I think you are pretty much making that up as you go. If anything, Catholics might not view the Bible as literally true, but that it contains spiritual truths that are divinely inspired. If you truly think that God looks like a man and in the space of seven days created everything that exist, living and otherwise, then I don't think there's anything I could say to you that would change your mind. If the book says it happened that way it HAS to be true, right? BTW, are you one of those that believe if the Bible doesn't mention it, then it can't be true?
No one has ever been forced to read the Bible; it is a free will choice.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#94. To: Original_Intent (#90)
Exactly. I once found a very well documented analysis of the history of the New Testament online, and it was quite an eye opener. I suspected as much for quite some time, but the information presented confirmed my suspicions. I've also found that the Essenes (the Jewish sect that Jesus himself actually belonged to) believed in things much differently than what is portrayed in the New Testament. The Essenes were hunted down by the Romans, and later the Church, and exterminated wherever they were found. I see much death and violence in what became Christianity, which is opposite of the most important teachings of he who was named Jesus. So I don't believe the fruits of that deception and violence, nor anything that derives from it.
The "New Testament" as incorporated in the King James, and later, translations are themselves translations of translations of translations. At each step of the way it has modified for political expediency.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#95. To: lodwick (#91)
Insanity. The most dangerous folks are those that are trying to bring about Armageddon, and look forward to it thinking they will be raptured. If it weren't for that influence in bible thumping regions of the country, McCain wouldn't stand a chance, as his campaign is largely the product of those who want to bring about the end of the world.
Just like we go to foreign lands to kill off the people to liberate them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#96. To: FormerLurker. all (#95)
Agree. It's nuts. To those who think that they can change what has been written since before the beginning of time; I don't know what to say. Probably nothing would be best. The disciples thought that Jesus would return in a few weeks, after some re-cupe time from the crucifixion, resurrection, and all that ordeal. Here we are some 2K years later, and some people are still trying to predict, or effect, the day of His return. All we're supposed to do, is do the best that we can, every day, and spread the good news. I have to keep it really simple here.
If it weren't for that influence in bible thumping regions of the country, McCain wouldn't stand a chance, as his campaign is largely the product of those who want to bring about the end of the world.
#97. To: Ferret Mike (#72)
weasel I call your socialist hero Barry Soetoro aka: Obama a monkey boy and you threaten to kill me? Not just kill me, but kill me in a gruesome manor usually reserved for psychotic serial killers. You need to be put down like a mad dog. Not that I owe you any explanation but your arrogance and hatred of white people blinds you to the fact that I might only have a problem and dislike for Soetoro/Obama. But again, your hatred of whites and white culture precludes you from accepting that. So have seat, get some watermelon,scratch your spawn's little nappy head (Oh yeah, I've now got a problem with you) and get ready for some truth. I judge people individually. I donated both my time and money to the Alan Keys campaign. I respect Walter Williams as a great American. He should run for President. I'm sure if he did, it would be you insulting him. I lived with a tribe of Indians in the Amazon, learning their ways. Now for you. If I ever see you in my area, I will immediately report both you and a copy of your post to the local police. If you make a threatening move toward me, I will cut you down on the spot. I will not hesitate. Now get that useless nappy headed mudboy you spawned and his whore mother and enjoy some music. It's just for you -- enjoy :) Oh yeah, When is monkey boy Barry Soetoro aka: obama going to produce His Birth Certificate? His medical records? His passport and travel records? His educational records?
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#98. To: Flintlock (#97)
And J.J. Johnson, the editor of the Sierra Times. He would be a great president. As I told someone the other day, I would gladly vote for a black man for president but not just ANY black man (like Obama who is just another socialist and the world is full of those).
I respect Walter Williams as a great American. He should run for President. I'm sure if he did, it would be you insulting him.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#99. To: James Deffenbach (#98)
Agreed Is Sierra Times still in on the net?
And J.J. Johnson, the editor of the Sierra Times.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#100. To: Critter (#78)
give me notice and i'll be sure to answer the door this time. ;)
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
#101. To: Flintlock (#99)
It was more or less out of business last time I checked. Site was up as an archive only.
Is Sierra Times still in on the net?
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
#102. To: Original_Intent (#85)
Yethhhhhhhh masthhhhhhhher............... ROFLMAO! Geez, the tranth isth working......
#103. To: Flintlock (#99)
I don't think so. I *think* J.J. got a job working on/in tv somewhere, at least that was the last I heard about him.
Is Sierra Times still in on the net?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#104. To: Flintlock (#97)
Dicks like you are always brave online, and always give versions of "some of my best friends are...." speeches. And you are the type to go directly for the weapon and not the face to face. You don't piss me off here, you show what a coward bitch you really are. Now, unless you are man enough to make an appointment for real life face to faces, don't waste my time with your hot air.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#105. To: James Deffenbach, Critter (#103)
Thanks for the info I think we all wish J.J. good luck
I don't think so. I *think* J.J. got a job working on/in tv somewhere,
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#106. To: richard9151 (#81) (Edited)
Why would you find that objectionable?" Because the medium is the message. The contents of a book can be controlled by a small group of men, but God reveals Himself primarily through nature and through us, who He made in His image. The Bible was written yesterday, but people have worshiped God as long as there have been people.
">>My objection is the idea that God would reveal the truth in a book.<<
#107. To: Ferret Mike (#104)
I think you should meet for coffee before you get all jiggy.
#108. To: Original_Intent (#85)
Actually, even if one man is only slightly less dangerous then the other, making a choice and voting is quite alright to do. I first broadcast my intention to vote Obama after Robin was bullied about her preference for him as a voting choice and left. I was going to keep my choice much to myself, but I thought that sucked and decided to do the full Monty in everyone's face about it. I don't care if you and others don't like him, I am making this choice for me with my vote. I know the popular mindset in here not to vote, but I was never one to worry about fitting in and doing and saying what the chorus does. If I did, I wouldn't be an eleven years DU account holder with still less then a thousand posts.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#109. To: Ferret Mike (#104)
Who threatened who asshole? All I said was that I'd defend myself. You want a piece of me, you come looking. I don't have time to fuck around with losers like you. I have too much to lose. Are you challenging me to a duel? To the death?
Dicks like you are always brave online,
Now, unless you are man enough to make an appointment for real life face to faces,
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#110. To: FormerLurker (#93)
Yeah, you are correct. That has nothing to do with the Bible. Period. The Bible is a free will document. Almighty God is not interested in people who do not willingly chose to follow His Laws. The 'church' you are talking about also has nothing to do with the Bible: try the book, Two Babylons. If you need direction, no problem, go here; http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/ The comnplete book is free of charge just for the down load, from, of all places!! Bible Believers. The religious order that led such crusades against "heretics" is the same order that gave you your New Testament, as they are the ones that canonized whatever they wanted to put in there, after various translations, interpretations, and various "editing". Who knows if the original text were truly authentic, it's highly debatable that they even came from the named authors. Not hardly. I have books on the subject. Esp. over the last 200 hundred years there have been found numerous old texts dating back nearly to 100 C.E., long before the Roman church took control. And even that does not matter to anyone who cares to study the Bible. The information in there DID NOT COME from the Roman church, because it directly contradicts EVERYTHING that the Roman church teaches. Everything. I've never been told by a priest or a nun that it was a sin to read the Bible, I think you are pretty much making that up as you go. I suggest that you read this first, to understand the history of the Roman catholic church; http://www.gotquestions.org/Protestant-Reformation.html Then you could read this on the Inquistions; http://www.gotquestions.org/inquisitions.html http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/banned.htm Bible Possession Once Banned by the Catholic Church! Pope Innocent III stated in 1199: ... to be reproved are those who translate into French the Gospels, the letters of Paul, the psalter, etc. ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D. Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; If you wish more, no problem, I can come up with it. But most of this does not make good sense unless you read the history of the Roman Catholic church, first. Catholics might not view the Bible as literally true, That's the understatement of the week. If you truly think that God looks like a man and in the space of seven days created everything that exist, Not hardly. Nothing in that statement is Scriptural, or, as they say, from the Bible.
Have you ever looked into the word heresy and what a charge of heresy would lead to? If you disagreed with the church you were tortured and confessed to various crimes, and then were put to death, usually in very grotesque ways.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#111. To: nikki (#107)
I've had FReepers hunt me down here during the Klamath Water crisis with the intent to do bodily harm or harass (so they inferred.) And I think they were shocked I looked for and found them when the word came back through the Whitaker Neighborhood grapevine they were looking for me. We actually sat as Eugene Saturday Market and I bought them some of Dana's fine coffee and cheesecake. and we parted on good terms. Remember "Niagara Falls,' the Three Stooge version of "slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch..." vaudeville routine? What it is about is how big men talk war stories, and how socially appropriate they act in real life with whom they talked trash about. I lack fear for the most part, I never have been able to exhibit the same level if being intimidated as I see many others getting. It's just how I am. I went to several schools growing up, and learned how to chose and dominate the right large bully guy in my new school to back those types off. They always prefer an easy target anyway. I went to three high schools, and really got the last guy who I used as a wind dummy really horror show great. I am 5 foot 6 and weigh 160 pounds, and had quite the baby face as a youth always looking much younger then my years. I learned it was better to be proactive and go after the usual suspects in student society before they brought it to me. I am pretty reasonable, but if I judge that I need to be audacious, I go there.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#112. To: Flintlock (#105)
J.J. Johnson at Sierra Times - Hangin' up the Spurs - Mr. Johnson has taken another job, so Sierra Times is going to be drastically cut back. I wish him well in his new position and will miss his online rag. This piece had no permanent address, so I copied the whole thing below. [sierra] Key Reason: J.J. Johnson has accepted a full time position as News Director of a local television station. I have been active in this position for the past two weeks. The position officially starts full time Jan 2, 2004. After lengthy discussion, it has been decided NOT to entirely shut down this web site. Our goal is to strive for complete automation, allowing an administrator to authorize news links, articles, important information, and event notices. Please bear with us while we make the necessary changes until that time. All accounts payable will be satisfied by January 19, 2004 - 4 years after this publication. All links shall remain active on the Sierra Times. The Sierra Times domain name shall remain active and under the control on J.J. Johnson Enterprises, Inc. This hurts, but it doesn't. I believe over the long haul, That Ol' News Ranch, Sierra Times did its job. We became a launch pad for dozens of great writers, and great web sites. We broke a lot of news stories. kept a lot of people informed. Media IS changing, and the internet had a lot to do with it. There is too much of a market for mass media to give just one side of the story anymore. I wish I had time to say thank you to each of you one on one, but I did talk with some of you. I thank everyone for their efforts. And by the way... I never said I was leaving the internet... Cmon - I'm still in the news business. But me and the ranch hands have to move on... Sincerely, J.J. Johnson After much thought, we regret to inform you that a major reduction or suspension of the Sierra Times will take place as of 12:00 am December 20, 2003 after almost 4 years on the Internet.
http://billstclair.com/blog/031220.html
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#113. To: Ferret Mike, Astoria (#104)
No, Mike, there will be none of that. You escalated with the first mention of violence and you've taken this unseemly exchange as far as it needs to go. And, your saber rattling notwithstanding, it's not your way to assault anyone. And, like it or not your indignation is not justification for violence against another.
Now, unless you are man enough to make an appointment for real life face to faces,
#114. To: Flintlock (#109)
Then shut up, dumb shit, and move your fossil tail along from your pointless gum flapping.
"I have too much to lose."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#115. To: Peter Carswell (#106)
Yeah, the Bible is full of examples, like those who built an iron furnace to Molech and threw their live babies into it to appease their god. We are also told that the heart is a treacherous organ, and leads us whereever we wish to go, which is usually against the wishes of Almighty God, which is why we are told to study His word, that He will find us acceptable. This I do know for a fact; the Bible does change your life. It has changed the life of everyone I have ever known who did a true study of it. Take that or leave it as you wish.
The Bible was written yesterday, but people have worshiped God as long as there have been people.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#116. To: Ferret Mike (#111)
FM, You might wonder about this, but I have seen you post threats before. I am not fooled by you in the least. Your personal stories are very intersting, and I appreciate you sharing them. A lot of us have stories too. You have an agenda, and that which does not serve all people, but some payback thing. You behave as if you are a tool for the elite. You have the perfect profile for such. You put it out there all the time. I just am an observer. However, the people you support are cancers to liberty and freedom. That can not be denied. For that, you will probably continue to find resistance. You want to keep it up for the sake of a cause, you'll find that your cause will be discarded like trash, when they are finished with you. There's only one great cause. When it reaches into your heart where the good resides, and you know it, it will reach others too. That said, carry on. Make this another worthless argument. You won't win it. Winning is for the elite, and they LOVE the help.
#117. To: Ferret Mike (#114)
First you get all macho, then you turn bitch and weasel out. As Boggie would say, "Play it again..Sam"
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#118. To: HOUNDDAWG (#113)
You are right, unless they are stalking me. Then I will reach out pro-actively. Things have gotten more violent here then they used to be and I recently had a group of three try the stock one person ask for a cig then do the sucker punch with the friends doing the flanking move once they though I was in their kill zone. Unfortunately for them, I am a keen observer of such activity, and never touch drug or alcohol. I am also in extremely good physical shape with some schooling in some things that help even things out where I lack advantage of weight and height. I know for a fact I broke one of these guys thumbs I had to twist it so hard, and I hurt my hand a wee bit from a couple of fist to bone impacts. And I don't do cop contact unless I have to. But they were taught I am no easy lay on the street. I don't like violence, but I was a paratrooper nine years and a combat veteran who lived in the combat arms culture and thrived in it. I also am a much better then average shot and excel at paint ball matches. I really love that sport and have done all night hunts with other as in the forest before doing capture the flag time formats. I am not violent at all by nature, but I can handle the brinkmanship and stress of it quite well.
"...it's not your way to assault anyone."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#119. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
Bullied? She put at least 15 people on bozo, and urged her fellow travelers to do the same. Tell me something, how does a person moderate a forum w/said person has that many people on bozo? Truth be known, leftists can't rationally argue liberalism; witness your laughable attempt to justify the coming Obingo generated genocide in Afghanistan. When you, she and other 'PILES ship your progeny off to Obama's coming war, perhaps you'll be taken seriously.
I first broadcast my intention to vote Obama after Robin was bullied about her preference for him as a voting choice and left.
#120. To: richard9151 (#110)
So you're denying the fact that the Roman Catholic church decided what was going to be in the New Testament and what wasn't? You can rant about what it says all you want, I look at the source, and it isn't God, it's a group of men who plotted world domination, and succeeded. Not hardly. Nothing in that statement is Scriptural, or, as they say, from the Bible. So you're saying you don't believe Genesis, where it says God created everything in seven days, and that God created man in his own image? BTW, the original Hebrew says "we created Man in our likeness".
The 'church' you are talking about also has nothing to do with the Bible
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#121. To: Flintlock (#117)
heh, not the way I see it. You are just trying to save face now. You want to meet, please stop by. But I never said you were worth my time to travel to confront. Now, excuse me, but you are and have been nothing but a fuck wad and a pest since returning to the fold here. So if you have more fucking important things then to try to continually fuck with me, then please, get to it.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#122. To: nikki (#116)
Amen and Amen.
#123. To: Jethro Tull (#119)
The war in Iraq is a mid intensity conflict, that in Afghanistan is a low intensity conflict. We helped create the perpetual war there when we funded and trained the forces taking on the Russians, and we were indirectly responsible for the Taliban gaining power. Now, I can't speak for my adult son, but I would go over there myself and do a tour. Even though I am here to tell you I don't have the patience for some of the B.S. you have to put up with in the military, and if I went back in as an E- 6. There is not going to be a genocide in that country because of the action we are doing there. Especially if we stick to sending the right sort of troops into that place best trained and equipped to deal with the different sort of missions inherent to Afghanistan then Iraq. As for the bozo, I don't use it, and I don't have the stomach for whines about someone using it. The kill file function is there to be used, OK? If a poster uses tools the forum owner and administrator gives them to use, complain to them, not the poster. I am fine and down with the bozo being disabled permanently. And it is in their court where complaints about the bozo belong, not in the lap of an interlocutor using it.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#124. To: nikki (#116)
Well, everyone has an opinion, thanks for sharing yours'. I am amused, but do not concur with it.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#125. To: Ferret Mike (#118)
That's my point, Mike. You are quite possibly stronger, faster and better trained than most potential adversaries, and when you raise the spectre of violence in response to inflammatory verbal provocation, well, you could earn a rep as a bully very quickly that way. The world is filled with folks who will say hurtful things, and your biracial son is a sensitive issue of the heart with you. And, because beatin' up on the world isn't a practical solution, you'd be better served by not arming people with the tools to hurt you in that very painful area. You cannot simultaneously occupy the space of an enlightened liberal and bone crushing thug too. Pick one and let me know if I'm to respect you in the future or not. Making people fear and loathe you is a damned poor substitute for respect.
#126. To: Ferret Mike (#124)
I am amused, but do not concur with it. You are quite welcome. How is amusing? Have you not seen how the trust of the American people has been trashed? Is that what is funny?
Well, everyone has an opinion, thanks for sharing yours'.
#127. To: Ferret Mike (#121) (Edited)
ROTFLMAO You are delusional. One second you threaten me with violence, then you bitch out, turn 180 and run for the door. I almost feel sorry for you. You'd be happier on your knees in the limo, smoking crack and servicing your hero the way he likes it.
You are just trying to save face now.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#128. To: Ferret Mike (#123) (Edited)
Lets stay on one issue at a time. Robin left after she was challenged on the political 180 she took. She wasn't chased off. Again, she was a mod with at least 15 people on bozo and urged other simpaticos to do the same. One fag attorney, w/countless puppet accounts, used the bozo to chase off anyone who dared stray from his leftist dogma. Rather than Robin resigning her position she chose to use the pm system here in an attempt to launch a forum which has become nothing more than a personal blog. So please, for the sake of accuracy, amend your comment about how and why she left.
#129. To: Flintlock, Ferret Mike (#127)
Gentlemen... Enough is enough. Who started it and who finishes this thing is of no matter. There are many others here that would like and respect a little more decorum. Thank you both...
#130. To: HOUNDDAWG (#125)
Thanks for the imput, and you make a good point to call it quits on this venting in here by me for the time being. Though I will say quite truthfully I am not or ever have been the sort of liberal that goes up and shakes a finger and scolds someone who say for example hit someone for being gay or black. Or is someone who will call the cops on them. I am more of the Eugene, Oregon Anarchist school of though of beating the ever loving crap out of them for their bullying, immediately, and on the spot. Liberals will often also fret and be silent in the face of hate. I speak up and walk toward it and let it be known that they are wrong. loudly, and with feeling. And it's not as if my reaction is superior to their's, as not everyone views life with the same warrior outlook I can click to with an eye's blink. I am a compassionate person, but I have fire that burns bright real fast. That always has been the case and is not likely to ever change. It's just how I am.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#131. To: Cynicom (#129)
Agreed, as you wish.
"Enough is enough."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#132. To: Ferret Mike (#130) (Edited)
Your passion and the belief that you're right and therefore justified is matched pound for pound by the people who cut down Julia's tree. Now either you embrace the NAP (non aggression principle) or you don't. One cannot waffle depending on whether the blood pressure is elevated. Violence except in lawful self defense is either always wrong or it's never wrong. You cannot make a case-by-case determination while denying the same privilege to those self righteous asshole cops who thump your pals or those lumberjacks who view Butterfly and you as threats to their families' very existence. But, if you're going to dig in your heels and refuse to calm down before offering this rationale, well, I can butt out as quickly as I butted in. The LAST WORD is yours my friend.
#133. To: Jethro Tull (#128)
I listened to you whine about the bozo then and still have no patience for this personal problem of yours' to this day. If you don't like the bozo, take it up with management. What others do with their kill file system, and whether they try to talk others into doing the same as them is their business and not any indictment on them. Worry about your own bozo list. I would also add that who someone goes to bed with gender-wise has no bearing or point to your tale of woe except to show off the spiffy creases you have ironed into your cute little old hair shirt you are wearing. I don't give a shit who is gay or not.
"So please, for the sake of accuracy, amend your comment about how and why she left."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#134. To: HOUNDDAWG (#132)
I am calm, and have been all evening. Thanks for your imput, and it is appreciated and see you have done some really good reasoning there. I am going to leave it at that as Cyni has requested a change of tone, and I agree with him on the need to do so. Thanks for the post.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#135. To: Ferret Mike, Cynicom (#134)
Better. Thanks.
#136. To: all (#135)
Spelling lesson. Input, not imput.
#137. To: Ferret Mike (#133)
This is about your comment as to why Robin left, not my whine. Your insistence on misrepresenting why she and her feckless band of leftists fled is indicative of a 5'6" man with a Napoleonic complex.
I listened to you whine about the bozo then and still have no patience for this personal problem of yours' to this day.
#138. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
The question is which will do the least damage at this point. Oh'Bummer is a big booster of 1984 programs such as "No Child Left Unmedicated" a.k.a. the national psychiatric screening of teenagers for the Pharmaceutical establishment. As well he supports the social worker in every new mother's life. His funding comes 3 to 1 over McNutz from Wall Street. His funding comes nearly 5 to 1 over McNutz from the Pharma Cartel. I do not like either candidate, but when you start talking about which would be the least bad you need to make sure the one you support actually is the the least bad. Your prerogative. However, while I did not take part in the debate with Robin on Oh'Bummer (beyond our ongoing debate on Government Hellthcare) she opened herself up to it by not being able to defend her choice beyond repeating the campaign slogans and supporting him because he supports her "Hobby Horse" i.e., Government Controlled Hellthcare. That she could not stand the heat is evidenced by her exit from the kitchen. Your prerogative and not one I would ever gainsay you. I just think your choice ill-advised and I have stated my reasoning repeatedly. I think the mindset here is one of utter disgust at both slates - and the recogninition that both slates are controlled by the same interests. Barack Hussein Obama is nothing more, and nothing less, than another telegenic teleprompter reader - like McNutz he is an empty suit and a front for interests manipulating things from behind the curtain. Oh, and I have never had an account at Dumpster Underground for the same reasons that I would not ever have one at Fraud Republic - I do not like PsyOp controlled false opposition which is intended to be divisive and to control the Sheeple by keeping us divided along "wedge" issues.
Actually, even if one man is only slightly less dangerous then the other, making a choice and voting is quite alright to do.
I first broadcast my intention to vote Obama after Robin was bullied about her preference for him as a voting choice and left. I was going to keep my choice much to myself, but I thought that sucked and decided to do the full Monty in everyone's face about it.
I don't care if you and others don't like him, I am making this choice for me with my vote.
I know the popular mindset in here not to vote, but I was never one to worry about fitting in and doing and saying what the chorus does. If I did, I wouldn't be an eleven years DU account holder with still less then a thousand posts.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#139. To: richard9151 (#115)
As much as I see the Bible as a source of wisdom, our ancestors were pagans - (God love 'em!) - and I'm not going to renounce their faith either.
"the Bible does change your life"
#140. To: Jethro Tull (#137)
Heh, I almost wish I had one, that point of view always sounded like fun. I like being five foot six though. I would not have it any other way, and that is not how that complex works. Hey, thanks for your POV on Robin again, but I disagreed with you then, and I still do now. She and I chatted off forum for a spell and I was invited to help her start a new forum and I demurred. I also have been opposed to the bozo since my first day on LP. But as long as a forum administrator/owner has it, criticism for using it belongs in their ballpark, not the interlocutor using it. Your approach to this election has been disappointingly narrow minded and very hateful. With all due respect, I would worry about your own compassion deficit, not who uses the bozo and why.
"This is about your comment as to why Robin left, not my whine. Your insistence on misrepresenting why she and her feckless band of leftists fled is indicative of a 5'6" man with a Napoleonic complex."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#141. To: Peter Carswell (#139)
Thanks, your lack of religious bigotry is refreshing. You don't find it much in this forum.
"As much as I see the Bible as a source of wisdom, our ancestors were pagans - (God love 'em!) - and I'm not going to renounce their faith either."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#142. To: Ferret Mike (#140)
It isn't a POV, it's a fact. It's verifiable by others, but I don't expect you to bother looking for the truth. It would conflict with your leftist DNA. So much for the open minded persona you try and foster. I always suspected it was a fraud.
Hey, thanks for your POV on Robin again,
#143. To: Ferret Mike (#108) (Edited)
As you remarked, 90% of posters here are either voting third party or not voting. Robin and other Obama supporters were no more "bullied" than people who now say they're voting McCain/Palin are "bullied" by third party supporters. Unless by "bullying" you mean disgreement and criticism. There's plenty of flack on all sides, and sometimes people, myself included, let their tempers get the better of them. But there wasn't any special, concerted effort to drive out robin or anyone else. ...lack of religious bigotry is refreshing. You don't find it much in this forum You spend most of your time in pissing matches with holy rollers, so it's not surprising you think that only holy rollers post here. I see a pretty good balance between fanatical Christians, moderate Christians, and religious skeptics on this site.
Robin was bullied about her preference for him as a voting choice
#144. To: FormerLurker, *Bible facts* (#120)
I have posted a 5 page post, about a week ago, specifically on this subject. It is in the Religion thread, and titled; Make man in our image. It covers the subject quite throughly. To begin with, Almighty God has no body. With that knowledge, perhaps some understanding can begin. where it says God created everything in seven days Define day. When I say, 'in my grandfather's day....', is that referring to only one day? Or, is it referring to the entirety of his life? I can show you in the Bible where a week refers to a week as we understand it, and when it refers to a week of years. Without a full knowledge of the Bible, you will always be confused, just as are most of the people who write things about the Bible. So you're denying the fact that the Roman Catholic church decided what was going to be in the New Testament and what wasn't? Absolutely I am. Almighty God decided, and anyone who has a good knowledge of the Bible understands that, because man simply does not and never will have the understanding neccessary to write it. It is only people who are to lazy to read the Bible who think like that. I look at the source, and it isn't God, it's a group of men who plotted world domination, and succeeded. You have part of this right. I will put up a post today about the history of the Roman Catholic church, and then, perhaps, you will begin to understand. Perhaps not. You do not seem to be able to read and grasp what you are reading. I also note that you no longer wish to touch the subject of the Roman Catholic church banning the Bible. Why is that, if the Roman Catholic church was responsilbe for the Bible? Curious minds want to know.
that God created man in his own image?
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#145. To: Jethro Tull (#137)
Misrepresenting is is what leftist hypocrites do best. And this particular one now wears a BOZO costume if you catch my drift.
Your insistence on misrepresenting why she and her feckless band of leftists fled is indicative of a 5'6" man with a Napoleonic complex.
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#146. To: Peter Carswell (#139)
Yeah, I know. They were the ones worshipping Molech (burning babies alive), the Sun, Ishtar, fertility (where newly wed wives were forced to serve as whores in the temple for the first year of their marriage), and etc. Wonderful people. I wonder how we get along without them now.
our ancestors were pagans -
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#147. To: Peter Carswell (#139) (Edited)
The science, math, philosophy, statecraft, and engineering of the pagan Greeks and Romans contributed more to what makes western civilization great than all of the myths of the Middle East put together. The legacy of the Greeks is modern technology, medicine, and science. The legacy of the Middle East is John Hagee, Pat Robertson, and AIPAC.
As much as I see the Bible as a source of wisdom, our ancestors were pagans - (God love 'em!) - and I'm not going to renounce their faith either.
#148. To: Rupert_Pupkin, Ferret Mike (#143)
There's plenty of flack on all sides, and sometimes people, myself included, let their tempers get the better of them. But there wasn't any special, concerted effort to drive out robin or anyone else. 100% accurate
As you remarked, 90% of posters here are either voting third party or not voting. Robin and other Obama supporters were no more "bullied" than people who now say they're voting McCain/Palin are "bullied" by third party supporters. Unless by "bullying" you mean disgreement and criticism.
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#149. To: Ferret Mike (#130)
It's just how I am. Mike, just a bit of friendly advice. It's better to let someone TRY to assault you and THEN break their bones than walking up to someone because of what you feel they did wrong and being the aggressor, both legally and tactically. A defender always has the better position in court, and depending on what style of martial art you've studied, the edge in hand to hand combat, such as Aikido. Besides, there is ALWAYS somebody out there who is faster and tougher, no matter how good you are at what you know.
I am more of the Eugene, Oregon Anarchist school of though of beating the ever loving crap out of them for their bullying, immediately, and on the spot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#150. To: FormerLurker (#149)
This is very true. The youth who's thumb I broke swung first and I was trying to control him with minimum force by twisting his thumb to get him down. Ultimately though I had to use some kicks and as you know, bones break easiest when they are twisted with force. I am not an inherently violent person, and only attack when attacked, or someone is being attacked. I was and have been agro since being threatened in here by someone in a time I am normally on edge, which is during presidential elections. But I learned in martial arts that those skills are meant for conflict resolution, so you need not worry about me. I am very smart, skilled and extremely competitive, but I know all too well I am only human and comport myself in a manner usually that acknowledges that fact.
"Besides, there is ALWAYS somebody out there who is faster and tougher, no matter how good you are at what you know."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#151. To: richard9151 (#144)
I wasn't aware of it, thanks for informing me of that, but it doesn't really change much. It was still the Roman Catholic church that created the New Testament, and the authenticity of the origin of the letters is still a factor. Besides, why is it that only his diciples, 12 in number, that wrote anything about him? Who knows if they actually ever existed... Again, you are looking at the works of men, and elevating the writings of mere men to be that of God. Do you really think that which created the Universe and exists beyond time and space needs to write anything down, and that Being would require worship in the form of animal sacrifices (as per the Old Testament)? We had a discussion not long ago concerning spirituality versus religion. I still don't think you really understand what spirituality is. I can try to define it, but probably not well enough to convey it correctly. I'd say spirituality is when you have no desire to harm ANY living thing, and can see not only people for what they are, but see the intelligence and emotion in animals, birds, fish, and even insects. Being ONE with life, ALL life, is as close to being ONE with God (the REAL God) as you can get in this mortal life. You say following the Bible isn't a religion, and I disagree. You are believing that which men wrote, and those men had a desire to control the world with their self appointed power they claimed derived from God himself. ALL religions for the most part say that the OTHER guys have it wrong, but that THEY have it right. Christian denominations do the same, and anyone who believes the Bible is a Christian. Christianity IS a religion, no matter WHAT you call yourself or what group of other Christians you associate with choose for a name.
I also note that you no longer wish to touch the subject of the Roman Catholic church banning the Bible. Why is that, if the Roman Catholic church was responsilbe for the Bible? Curious minds want to know
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#152. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#143)
Thanks for your opinion, but it is still a point of view lacking knowledge of why I don't even bother to post regarding some topic. I just don't want to go into what I loath about here, because I like some people here and some aspects of this forum. I do a decent job of tolerating some very disgusting people in here I never would want living in my neighborhood. I try to chose my battles, and I recognize there to be some reciprocity of feeling about people of my political stripe. Thanks for the post, and your feedback. But you need not worry about me, I see exactly what you speak of and agree with some of it.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#153. To: Jethro Tull (#142)
I have human DNA. ;-) Actually I have listened to your point of view and because I am only human, it is always possible I don't understand aspects of that situation. But that works both ways. For one thing, you sure are more touchy and irritable about this then I am. Or you wouldn't of taken the initiative to speak up about it. Thanks for your feedback on this, and I appreciate it and accept it as given with good intent and I believe it accurately reflects your point of view on this topic. I mentioned this merely as an aside as to why I decided to be bombastically blunt as to whom I support for POTUS this time around. But I also did so with the thought that this was mostly water under the bridge by now and see no point in belaboring the situation. But I am not ignoring or merely dismissing your words. I am listening to them, thinking about them and responding to them with my point of view on it. Now, with all due respect, she is gone, the bozo is still here, so can we move on? Or is there something else about this situation we still need to expound on?
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#154. To: richard9151, All (#144)
God is spirit (John 4:24) Man was made in the image of God (Genesis 9:6) We are all eternal spirit beings wrapped in a fragile, fleshy shell which is doomed to wearing out, failing or being destroyed. "I am a spirit, I have a soul and I live in a body" ~ Man
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#155. To: Original_Intent (#138)
Excellent post.
Barack Hussein Obama is nothing more, and nothing less, than another telegenic teleprompter reader - like McNutz he is an empty suit and a front for interests manipulating things from behind the curtain.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#156. To: richard9151 (#25)
You are correct. Perfect Justice is harsh. Those who violate His Law are given notice, and when they do not repent, all suffer the same punishment. The Flood is a perfect example. Noah said, FLEE! PLEASE! No one listened. All died, including countless children. There is also a stern lesson in there for all of us. That God is worse than Hitler, and you should listen to crazy guys saying the world is about to end?
#157. To: Ferret Mike (#153)
Robin is a leftist and not to be trusted, so yes, lets move on. I jumped into the conversation not out of anger, but out of respect for the 4um and the time and effort the owner puts in to keep it open to all. At the very least she deserves an accurate recount of that event. It's funny you mentioned that robin contacted you in PM regarding the launch of her blog. This was done while she was a mod here. Dontcha' think she should have resigned and told the owner her plans? Don't bother answering, I've learned direct answers aren't your strength. As far as your support for Obama, I could care less. This will be the third consecutive presidential election I'm choosing to sit out. Both candidates are unacceptable, but perhaps it's best Obama wins. His overt socialism, and nasty wife, will become poster boys for my separatist leanings. It's this latter personal trait that makes me appreciate the work of Minister Farrakhan. I respect his honesty and I'm simply his mirror opposite. I ultimately want this nation fractured down the middle, come what may. It seems I'm getting my wish :)
#158. To: Jethro Tull, Ferret Mike, Christine (#157)
She was a mod here? She was one of the worst for personal attacks.
This was done while she was a mod here.
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802
#159. To: farmfriend (#158)
Yes she was, and as she formed her leftist cell, the attacks became organized. One douche used a series of puppets to attack anything that wasn't representative of the extreme wing of the Democrat party. The left can't be trusted. Ever.
#160. To: Jethro Tull (#159)
Mega thermonuclear ditto bump!
The left can't be trusted. Ever.
It's the second mouse that gets the cheese
#161. To: Rotara (#154)
Ummmm. Except that... we are told by God that we are to have a resurrection -- to our bodies -- to live here on earth for eternity. In fact, the resurrection of the Christ Jesus is symbolic of that resurrection. (This is the same thing that Almight God told to Adam about the earth.) I did a post about a week ago in the Religion thread titled; Make man in our image. I think you might find it of interest.
We are all eternal spirit beings wrapped in a fragile, fleshy shell which is doomed to wearing out, failing or being destroyed.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#162. To: FormerLurker (#151)
Not really. I have posted info about the authenticity of the New Testament before, and see no reason to do so again. The simple fact is that anyone who does an indepth study of the Bible understands very well where it comes from. The chances of convincing anyone who is not willing to do the studies is pretty near 0, so why bother? There is one God, one Creator, and one way of life; His. And it is not important how we view that; it is His decision. Just as it is His decision as to if we live or die (second death). Simple as that. I am going to do what ever is neccesary to learn to walk in His Truth. The only way to do that is the study His Word. I suggested to you before that you should read the other post I put up; Make man in our image. You would learn a bit about Spirt in it.
It was still the Roman Catholic church that created the New Testament, and the authenticity of the origin of the letters is still a factor.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
#163. To: Jethro Tull (#157)
What makes you think I knew she was a mod? That is news to me. And your foolish attitude at just assigning credibility to righties is foolish, and foolish attitudes make people hard to talk to. Common sense ain't much of a strength for you, and you are governed more by our fears and hatreds then your aspirations, courage and loves. Now, if you can handle that sincerely felt direct answer, then from now on I'll be more blunt with you.
"Dontcha' think she should have resigned and told the owner her plans? Don't bother answering, I've learned direct answers aren't your strength."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#164. To: Ferret Mike (#163)
Who cares what is news to you? It's fact. And yeah, please be blunt with me. Your dancing around direct questions is for cowards and leftists.
What makes you think I knew she was a mod? That is news to me.
#165. To: Jethro Tull (#164)
Heh, I don't care if you care, I merely stated a fact. I mentioned it because it surprised me. Also, being left of you does not make someone wrong, or bad. I see this posturing all the time from ALS at LP about how liberalism is a mental disorder. If this becomes a general conservative theme, we will put a foot up your collective butts for it. Count on it.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#166. To: richard9151 (#162)
I guess you don't remember that I explained to you on that thread what the phrase means in terms of the hidden truth behind it. It involves duality of Nature.
I suggested to you before that you should read the other post I put up; Make man in our image. You would learn a bit about Spirt in it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: richard9151 (#161)
Yes, a glorified body AFTER resurrection. I see you got deep into your jaydubbyan stuff. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#168. To: Ferret Mike (#165)
Your problem is you also just wipe your ass with the Constitution. For your Leftist/Progressive/Socialist/Communist/Marxist Feral Reserve lovin redistribution and Government controls. You probably are just a nice, stupid, self-centered tool with his head up his ass. I bet you mean well. You'll turn on your patriot neighbors at the first opportunity I predict.
Also, being left of you does not make someone wrong, or bad.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#169. To: Ferret Mike (#165)
I'm not a conservative, and if you every tried to assault me, I'd put a hole in your head. Count on that.
If this becomes a general conservative theme, we will put a foot up your collective butts for it. Count on it.
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