Whoever suggested switching veep candidates was on to something
Well, as long as suggestions are being weighed and I so much appreciate your opinion ... I suggest we line all 4 of them up together, blindfold them and take target practice. After that Start over with Chuck Baldwin as the Republican with Pat Buchanan as veep, and Bob Barr as Democrat with Ralph Nader as veep.
Let me spell it out. Originally I thought there were those on this forum of like mind...people who recognized that the government of this country was bought sold and paid for and that the "parties" were nothing more than an illusion to placate the sheeple.
Beginning with the pro-Ron Paul movement and the support generated from those of which I was among, people here seemed pretty cohesive on the general philosophy. When RP bowed out, cyni was his biggest critic. Ok, it seemed over the top to me but everyone was disappointed and left somewhat rudderless. Then Robin, ari and ghost and others like Red Jones and Burkeman1, BrianS and a few more I don't recall started leaning towards Obama as the someone who's gonna be in charge and their reasoning was it's better Obama than McCain. They were set upon like pariahs.
I disagreed with them as well, seeing the two party farce for what it is. The whole "filter" uproar happened and a large group left. In hindsight, the forum lost some good people.
Currently however, I find it telling that the people like Old Friend and X-15 and others who are McCain supporters do not receive ANY level of discourse against their position like the hounding Robin received. After Palin became big news, she was and is practically lauded here. Even Lodwick lost his mind for a short time. But there are still those here who say they won't vote McKook, but they're all about Palin. You don't see any inconsistency there? Do you also think Palin is outside the two-party fraud?
As far as any of my posts being pro-Obama, they aren't.
Other than cyni who accuses me of being an "Obamaphile" and a "financial expert" when he gets called on the carpet for his "baiting" crap, if there are others who think I'm pro-Obama, you should be wary of who's advising you.
If you think I'm pro-Obama, speak up and we'll discuss whatever is giving you that mistaken perception. I'm not going to post to this board and let all the pro-Palin/McCain propaganda slide without posting other points of view.
However, if you're leaning the way of Palin/McCain and you take exception to the articles I post, let me know. I won't waste my time and energy being part of a forum whose mission is secretly other than what's stated. The forum is only as good as the people who post here. If my views aren't wanted here, please, you let me know straight up. Otherwise I'll continue to post articles and my viewpoint.
Nobody has called for you to walk the plank. I certainly haven't attacked anybody for their proposed votes (Ferret Mike) for Obama, though I think he'll suffer buyer's remorse sometime into next year if it is Obama. Ron Paul left everybody in a messy lurch and didn't handle his exit with much aplomb, somebody got to him and told him to knock it off. As much as I despise McStain (see my sig), I cannot abide an Obama presidency because I foresee a very real possibility of another civil war at worst, or several acts of insurrection/terrorism at the least with his sorry socialist ass in the White House. This election and the future direction of our country is bigger than any of us mere mortals posting here.
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
i don't think you're pro-obama. in fact i set those who misunderstood you straight just as i'm doing with you with Cyni.
me leaning toward palin/mcCain? i have made it quite clear my disdain for both branches of the establishment party. i've never wavered from that. i have been an advocate of Rock the no vote for years. Ron Paul was the only one for whom i would have re-registered to cast a vote even though i am convinced that our entire system is a fraud and that we-the-people don't elect anyone.
frankly, i've been just as surprised as you over posters here who have decided to go the choice of lesser of two evils.
Currently however, I find it telling that the people like Old Friend and X-15 and others who are McCain supporters do not receive ANY level of discourse against their position like the hounding Robin received
that's because there are fewer here to do so...and for the record, i've never badgered or criticized, only questioned and expressed my shock and disappointment, robin or anyone else for their support of either/or.
Why would you think of leaving? Holy bat shit! Can't people have differences of opinion without them being the next, if not the original anti-christ or some big bad boogie man? This is what I object to; and if, at the last minute I do decide to vote (not likely), neither she and her sidekick nor the big o and his henchman, would be the recipient. Ron Paul's name would be written in. Period.
...I find it telling that the people like Old Friend and X-15 and others who are McCain supporters do not receive ANY level of discourse against their position like the hounding Robin received"...
Gads......have you ever tried debating with a rock? Old Friend is a decent guy--he just gets confused a bit, difficult to get a concept across to him. As for X-15, he needs to ?????? What can I say......its X-15, after all.
Robin and the others were decent folks--and when they found they couldn't defend their positions, it seems they took off to form their own forum where they could be in the majority, or their ideals to be in the majority.
But I never saw a reason to ride her butt or any of the others--so they had different opinions on SOME things--they weren't the devil incarnate.
Heaven help us, if we all have to march in lock step--someone will pair you and I up and we'll be trying to step on each others toes all the way thru the parade!!!!
Yes, one of the memes propagated was Obie being brought up by a single mom in Kansas on welfare and whatnot.
I questioned what sort of welfare existed in Kansas in 1965 considering WIC was started under Nixon much later.
Staying in Indonesia was ignored, as was the subsequent attendance of Obie at a PREP school in Hawaii, presumably on his grandparents tab. That, along with school in Jakarta is hardly indicative of the deprived childhood story successfully propagated by the Obamawallahs.
Another myth exploded. Didn't sit well with the Obamawallahs.
And speaking of chasing, OKCSubmariner was chased away from this site by some idiot yahoo who didn't like reading material that did not jive with their worldview.
Original reason I showed up here was to read OKC after he got banned from LP, having been banned from FR.
Many people enjoy only the reinforcement of their view, and contrary opinions threaten them too much.
Personally, I read everything from all POV's and that is the shame of what has happened, as people splinter into their own little echo chambers.
And speaking of chasing, OKCSubmariner was chased away from this site by some idiot yahoo who didn't like reading material that did not jive with their worldview.
i don't think i would characterize it as OKC being chased away. i think he became uncomfortable with the challenges (by many here) to his opinion that arabs were responsible for 911.
were run off this forum? they left of their own accord for a more pleasant posting experience.
Exactly. The Obamasoids cannot stand being confronted by any of the data which exposes the multiple inconsistencies in Oh'bummer's positions, "bio", etc., .... So, rather than confront and deal with the facts they run and hide in a cocoon assuming a foetal mind controlled position.
No one should ever have justification to accuse me of being a McNutz supporter and so in their insulated, and unreal, world view they cannot deal with the contradiction to their mantra "you oppose the Obamessiah so therefore you're nothing but a filthy Republican McCain supporter". When confronted with a refutation of that shallow and unsupported view their ability to even look and discuss is shattered. They just "can't handle the truth".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
so you dont think that 9/11 was the hoped-for spark that ignited the neocons' quest for "benevolent global hegemony", you dont think we should figure out what's going on so we might be able to educate ourselves and others about neocon ambitions to grab control of oil in the middle east and eventually russia, even if it means using the neocons' "nuclear primacy" to do a nuke first strike on russia.
you dont think this miserable situation is serious enough to waste time trying to understand...
seems to me that someone who's willing to stage false flags on their life support system in an attempt to make the world safe for ashkenazi supremacism ought to be exposed, on the off chance that we might be able to prevent a global samson option.
In one respect I agree. OTOH, the material available on the 'net, mostly researched by ordinary folks, swayed public opinion radically and quickly. The government tale is now in wee minority, much to their irritation.
In one respect I agree. OTOH, the material available on the 'net, mostly researched by ordinary folks, swayed public opinion radically and quickly. The government tale is now in wee minority, much to their irritation.
Could be, JT.......but how has it changed anything? Are the sheeple up in arms? Gubmint continues to roll onward, without a hitch or glitch in their jack- booted goosestep.
Even if everyone knew the truth, nothing has changed....nor will it, IMO.
[edit]DUH! I forgot to say---their 'irritation' seems nothing more than a gnat on an elephant's ass.
you're willing to admit, then, that the muslims who are resisting israeli america are morally superior to common americans.
What are you talking about? I've said nothing of superioriity/inferiority of morals or anything else....just stating the plain fact that NOTHING has occurred in changing this nation since 911.
Now, if you want to start a thread to discuss the moral superiority or inferiority of the sheeple versus various races of people be my guest. Don't expect my participation if the goal is to bash muslims or jews or whatnot.
i have to admit that "the american way" is horseshit, not worth saving, and was horseshit long before israel or neocons existed.
but it seems to me that we've got to rid ourselves of the israel-firsters before we move on to other reforms...
...but if peak oil turns out to be the real deal ---and i believe this whole crisis is rooted in peak oil--- then the whole thing's gonna turn into a shambles no matter what.
you're willing to admit, then, that the muslims who are resisting israeli america are morally superior to common americans.
"Show me just what Prophet Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached. -POPE BENEDICT/BYZANTINE EMPEROR PALEOGUS
Allah is a cruel tyrant, a barbaric killer and a violent despot . Islamic Umma is the biggest criminal gang on earth and Allah is leader and guide of that criminal gang and is trying to establish himself as the God of the world (not of the universe) with the help of the mujahidin through terror and bloodshed. --Dr. R. BRAHAMCHARI (PHYSICIST)
I don't respect any muslims, they're a plague upon Western Civilization, every last one of 'em.
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
Could be, JT.......but how has it changed anything? Are the sheeple up in arms?
Nope, the sheeple seem to be quite content, but the economic hammer has yet to disrupt their lives. It will and when it does perhaps all the hard work we keyboard commandos have done (driving congressional #'s into the single digits, sending Bush off with an approval rating in the teens, and exposing the real reasons for the economic meltdown) will create a spark. I wouldn't bet my life it will, but I will place my life between the jackbooted thugs you mentioned and my home and family. That's all I can control, and that's fine w/me.
At least they haven't banned smoking in Iraq, AQ tried that and got hammered for it.
In other news,
Baghdad begins to disarm after ban By James Warden, Stars and Stripes Mideast edition, Thursday, October 16, 2008
James Warden/S&S
BAGHDAD In the past, the soldiers with 1st Battalion, 68th Infantry would have had no problem finding an AK-47 assault rifle in Omar Abdul Satars home. Iraqis have a long history of owning guns, and few homes in the country are without one.
But the government is trying to change that. It recently decided to prohibit guns in the capital. That was bad news for Satar. When the U.S. soldiers and their Iraqi counterparts found his AK, they confiscated it and took it back to their base in Baghdads Adhamiyah district.
Iraqi soldiers began collecting private guns around the capital in September after the Iraqi government instituted the gun ban.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit! -Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941