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Title: LP Member, Corn Flake Girl, Attempts to Silence/Intimidate/ Fellow Member With Secret Service (Rumor -> Corn Flake Girl=Ferret Mike?)
Source: El Pee
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242074&Disp=All
Published: Oct 15, 2008
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2008-10-15 23:53:30 by Rotara
Keywords: None
Views: 5698
Comments: 160

LP Member, Corn Flake Girl, Attempts to Silence/Intimidate Fellow Member With Secret Service

(#144) "And the Secret Service is in the modus to investigate the remotest possibility of a threat environment endangering someone on their 'A' list of whom they look out for". LP Member, Corn Flake Girl

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances".

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell, Preface to Animal Farm (1946)

"If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech." Noam Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media (1992).

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We must never allow people like Corn Flake Girl to impede or stop us from defending our right to speak, to express, to write and to tell the truth, to be the watchdog, eyes and ears of the people, or simply to share our view, and give fair comment on any subject which involves and affects us as humans, as rightful citizens of this country.

Most of us have fought censorship all of our adult life. To me, the most precious of all rights in this marvelous country called the United States of America is the freedom to think, write and say whatever is on your mind... That freedom also extends to thoughts that are stupid, ignorant or incendiary. No one needs a First Amendment to write about how cute newborn babies are or to publish a recipe for strawberry shortcake. Nobody needs a First Amendment for innocuous or popular points of view. That's point one. Point two is that the majority-you and I-must always protect the right of a minority-even a minority of one-to express the most outrageous and offensive ideas. Only then is total freedom of expression guaranteed."

The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish.

If we suppress ideas we don't like, the proponents of those ideas will probably fester in secret societies and explode in double-plus ungood ways and we will like those results even less. If we allow people to see their ideas, and we ignore them, they've had their chance and they don't have to feel cheated about not getting exposure. Or if we really don't like their ideas and really need to keep them from convincing other people to believe in them, the answer is to tell people why and they'll learn. But you can't just beat people up because you dislike their stupid opinion.

If we go that route, then ignorant, faceless people like "Corn Flake Girl" will use their intimidation and force us to suppress any opinion they don't like, and maybe support opinions we don't like. Then what you get is a society of brutality where it isn't the best ideas that are seen by others, it's only the ideas that have the most vicious thugs to back them up. And it becomes very hard for people to be willing to express any opinion if someone can just pop them one because they say something someone else doesn't like.

As responsible members of LibertyPost, we demand and claim our space on the Internet for free and fair comment, where important national issues and prominent personalities are discussed.

Corn Flake Girl! If you find my posts offensive, you may, at any time, refute me with correct facts and figures and fair comment, in the spirit of free speech, but you will never silence me with threats of intimidation by the Secret Service, or any Law Enforcement. And if you ever do attempt something so stupid, you had better get your facts straight, because I do not tuck tale and run from you, or anyone who attempts to silence me. ~ Murron


Poster Comment:

Corn Flake/Ferret, do you have anything to say for yourself - you demented little goofy girl you?

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#1. To: ferret mike (#0)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-15   23:58:04 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Rotara (#0)

Corn Flake Girl isn't Mike. Anybody got pics of Corn Flake Girl? ;-)

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-16   0:01:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: corn flake ferret (#1)

27. To: beyond the sea (#25)

Nevertheless, I don't want any unwanted knocks on the door from the "boys".

Flake reminds me of a Bush worshiper on TOS and I do mean worshiper. The woman was totally nuts about Bush. I doubt Flake has any pull with the Storm Troopers but then again anyone can make a complaint to them. I just doubt the SS would find enough to act on, at least from most posters.

WarHawk42 posted on 2008-10-15 19:43:16 ET Reply Trace

mike, you POS, you *ARE* worse than a f**king BUSHBOT.

What a loser.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   0:02:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#2)

Corn Flake Girl isn't Mike.

I trust my sources.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   0:02:39 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: X-15 (#2)

Anybody got pics of Corn Flake Girl? ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   0:03:51 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rotara (#3) (Edited)

Why don't you grow up and educate yourself beyong beyond the Dictionary for Illiterate Cussers! Sheesh...........

Accept the fact that Ferret and you, as well as most of the rest of us here, has some political opinions that are different than ours, but that doesn't make him the enemy. If you got your head out of your rectal orifice, you'd find that he would agree with many of your positions or opinions.

And really, you should look beyond something that *cough cough* murron writes as being truthful, or grounded in truth.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-16   0:07:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: rowdee (#6) (Edited)

Why don't you come a little closer..b!tch.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   0:07:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rotara (#7)

Truth bothering ya?

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-16   0:08:46 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: rowdee (#6)

you'd find that he would agree with many of your positions or opinions.

Save one, and the facts that support it; and that does make him my enemy. But I wouldn't claim to know the future, so, in principle, I must concede that might change, though I'm not holding my breath.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-16   0:25:53 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: rowdee (#8)

What exactly do you know about truth? I see little evidence that you possess the capacity to recognize a whole lot of truth.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   0:27:28 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rotara (#0)

Get a life.

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   6:38:27 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: angle (#11)

Get a life.

In the true world socialist spirit that deep down electrifies you, I'll take yours. How's that?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   11:30:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rotara (#12)

I'll take yours. How's that?

Have you been taking stupid pills.

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   11:43:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rotara (#10)

I know truths about murron.........its been shown she's a liar; there are threads at freedom underground and ims both backing me up.

That you refuse to remove the blinkers from your eyes is your problem, not mine. That you 'shoot from the hip and generally hit your foot' is also your problem. You'd do well to learn to aim before taking your popshots, friend.

rowdee  posted on  2008-10-16   13:30:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Rotara (#1)

I've been reading those threads, I was banned in May of 2001. Search 'Ferret' for me. I know who CFG is and I fully admit to putting heads together with her concerning starting an election season account at elpee. So?

Why should you care? Are you suddenly my Mom?

Hey mom, can I borrow the car for a date please? ROTFLMFAO!


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   18:23:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#15)

ROTFLMFAO!

You're a fucking liar, fucktard.

You don't have a decent cell of bone marrow in your body.

Fuck you.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   18:26:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: rowdee (#14)

You'd do well to learn to aim before taking your popshots, friend.

You ain't no friend and my aim is dead on.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   18:27:20 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Rotara, RaisedEyeBrows, Corn Flake Girl (#12)

RaisedEyeBrows is also a separate individual who helped me run the Community Media Center in Eugene that we no longer do downtown. I was often accused of being him too by people.

Eugene, Oregon is a city of extraordinarily high degrees of political efficacy. Anyone thinking I am the only Eugenean spin doctoring the generally liberal paradigm of Eugenean world view online is self deluded.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   18:29:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

You peddle in Barry the Commie.

Go fuck yourself, LIAR.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   18:29:46 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: angle (#13)

Stupid as in supporting Hugo Chavez, Global Man Made Climate Change and eco-terrorists? No, no stupid desired here.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   18:33:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Rotara (#16)

Again, what is it to you? Goldi-Lox only allows ineffective and poorly articulated opposition to her worldview in her forum. She is a self admitted neocon activist who has the sheep's clothing of maintaining elpee is an open forum as per the verbiage claiming this on the welcome page. What elpee actually is is an neocon mouth piece that handles the posting needs of banned FReepers and malcontents like yourself.

You have a bad habit of personalizing everything I say, and you need to stop this. Elpee is a totally different forum then 4UM. Let us not blur the two together.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   18:36:00 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Rotara (#20)

59. To: Goldi-Lox, Idol Hanz, Dewy (#57)

"I've read through your comments made recently on multiple threads, and I find a shocking theme. You are attempting to intimidate other LP members from speaking freely on this site, by invoking various law enforcement agencies in a manner that is akin to KGB operatives controlling the proletariat!!

ANY attempt for censorship of any kind, including intimidation or veiled threats is anethema to Liberty Post and its entire purpose; it flies in the face of the First Amendment.

It is 100% NOT acceptable here.

Please take your educated, opinionated, and intimidating remarks over to a site that encourages that behavior. It is clear that you do not visit here to participate in the liberty of free and unfettered speech.

I have terminated your account."

Then you will wish to terminate mine as well. Murron's posting of a picture of a hangman's noose in a thread discussing a Secret Service protectee was blatantly racist and threatening in tone, and CFG was completely correct in wanting to report it to the relevant authorities.

Further, you have repeatedly failed to terminate the accounts of REAL racist posters such as Idol Hanz and Dewy, who freely and continually use the terms "nigger" and "darkie" in casual conversation, and enjoy your continued protection even when their racist posts are reported to you. I do not associate with nor tolerate people of that stripe in any way, even on a chat site on the Internet.

And just to provide some additional incentive for you to ban me, I have already provided the URL of Murron's post to the local Secret Service office. I suspect that somebody will be knocking at her door very soon. And if they are at all on the ball, they will be knocking on YOUR door as well for facilitating and encouraging such ILLEGAL behavior.

I will continue to scan LibertyPost from time to time, and will continue to report content I feel to be directly threatening to Secret Service protectees to the relevant authorities.

Why don't you just change the name of this web site to Stormfront Post or something that would more readily identify the average tenor and quality of posts here? If you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly.

Goodbye.

strelitsa posted on 2008-10-16 18:30:27 ET Reply Trace

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=241893&Disp=59#C59


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   18:39:57 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Rotara (#0)

I must have missed the part where Corn Flake Girl threatened someone. Too apathetic to look it up, but if somebody provide a linky-link I might look...

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-10-16   18:42:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rotara (#3)

mike, you POS, you *ARE* worse than a f**king BUSHBOT.

McCain got your tongue?

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-10-16   18:44:19 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

good grief, people on a supposed liberty forum obsessed with stalking, scrutinizing, and snitching, turning in the owner to the feds, etc. f-ked up people and f-cked up country, anyway you look at it.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-10-16   18:46:54 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

Then you will wish to terminate mine as well. Murron's posting of a picture of a hangman's noose in a thread discussing a Secret Service protectee was blatantly racist and threatening in tone, and CFG was completely correct in wanting to report it to the relevant authorities.

Further, you have repeatedly failed to terminate the accounts of REAL racist posters such as Idol Hanz and Dewy, who freely and continually use the terms "nigger" and "darkie" in casual conversation, and enjoy your continued protection even when their racist posts are reported to you. I do not associate with nor tolerate people of that stripe in any way, even on a chat site on the Internet.

And just to provide some additional incentive for you to ban me, I have already provided the URL of Murron's post to the local Secret Service office. I suspect that somebody will be knocking at her door very soon. And if they are at all on the ball, they will be knocking on YOUR door as well for facilitating and encouraging such ILLEGAL behavior.

I will continue to scan LibertyPost from time to time, and will continue to report content I feel to be directly threatening to Secret Service protectees to the relevant authorities.

well, well, well, a real advocate of free speech and jack boot! at least CFG never reported to SS Murron's jpg. btw, you might be interested to know that Murron has a biracial grandson so she would be the last to post a picture that was meant to convey the lynching of blacks. it was intended for teasonous, corrupt politicians of any color.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-16   18:52:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Artisan (#25)

BHO IN '08! TO END THE SUFFERING ONCE AND FOR ALL!!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   18:58:34 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

'snitch

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   18:59:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine (#26)

well, well, well, a real advocate of free speech and jack boot! at least CFG never reported to SS Murron's jpg. btw, you might be interested to know that Murron has a biracial grandson so she would be the last to post a picture that was meant to convey the lynching of blacks. it was intended for teasonous, corrupt politicians of any color.

The L-Y-I-N-G world socialist 'snitch bastards can all ROT in he## for all I care right now!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   19:01:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#26)

I would never worry about her calling. She hates Freddies worse then I do.

Thanks for the info on Murron, and I don't at all dislike her. When she trips up, she is her own worst enemy.

I looked at that graphic of hers' yesterday and agree with CFG that she could of gotten her message across better.

You have to admit that when using visual metaphor, one has to be on guard not to chose something that is the metaphor for something involving racial intolerance.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   19:01:17 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

I looked at that graphic of hers' yesterday and agree with CFG that she could of gotten her message across better.

You speaking in the 3rd person, CFG, is beyond insulting.

You fucking L-I-A-R. You 'snitch.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   19:02:22 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rotara (#28)

"'snitch"

I see, so now you think I was strelitsa too? Whatever, think what you wish, it is your prerogative. ;-)


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   19:03:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

I see, so now you think I was strelitsa too? Whatever, think what you wish, it is your prerogative. ;-)

I have every single reason to believe you're a world socialist lying POS that posts on El Pee as CFG.

Care to L-I-E again or tell the truth, you pig?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   19:04:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Rotara (#31)

"You speaking in the 3rd person, CFG, is beyond insulting."

And pray tell, how have I gored your ox here? You are upset at how the election is going, and you are looking for a scapegoat.

I feel your pain, but you really need not to take so personal something that scarcely involves you.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   19:07:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Rotara (#33)

"Care to L-I-E again or tell the truth, you pig?"

And again, you are upset regarding this tempest in a teapot, because...?


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   19:08:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Rotara (#33)

I got permission to be more forthcoming regarding CFG. I cleared this with management here, so get indignant if you wish, but I was not going to come out as having that returning bannee account unless management here reviewed my request to do so and approved it.

In the song Corn Flake Girl a CFG is a conservative hanging with the 'Raisin Girls' who are liberal and betrays them. As I am not a conservative, I played the CFG and female elements to that returning bannee account consistently. Neither female or conservative = ferret.

I did post two picture of a ferret in posts to ALS, so it was not like I was doing anything other then hiding in plain view, a technique I perfected as a FR returning bannee.

I also in no way disguised my verbiage, and have been expecting the banning of this returning bannee account. ;-)


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   19:17:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Rotara (#33) (Edited)

106. To: WarHawk42 (#2)

Actually I find it rather amusing her screen name contains the word "Flake", she is one, but she does have the right to her opinion, "She" is a "he".

sneakypete posted on 2008-10-16 19:11:57 ET Reply Trace

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242074&Disp=106#C106

I told my SF brother Sneaky Pete this in private E mail here about the account a long while ago. One of the main reasons I initially started the account was to contact people there I had lost contact with.

Having accomplished that a while ago, I have not really cared about the ultimate fate of this account.

I came back on recently as my old friend ALS has been posting there as byte shredder and I have been enjoying our very old rivalry and politics of contention. ;-)


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   19:26:28 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

::spit::

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   19:46:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine (#26)

well, well, well, a real advocate of free speech and jack boot!

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.

Cicero Marcus Tullius

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes.nsf/c32a580c3d9f4e1a852569eb0067b760! SearchView

nikki  posted on  2008-10-16   20:52:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Artisan (#25)

f-ked up people and f-cked up country, anyway you look at it.

Just wait until Obummer becomes POTUS. This nation will be in a shooting civil war within 1 year.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-16   21:02:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: X-15 (#40)

This is a piece that shoots the facts straight down field.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=88861&Disp=3#C3

If you haven't had a chance to read it, it's worth your time.

I guess for some it's a way to decide if you are on the side of humanity , or want to pursue a freeking agenda. If that's the case, then find pity elsewhere.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-16   21:11:24 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: nikki (#39)

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.

The enemy is cooking steak and appetizing on frogs inside the wire.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   21:21:20 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike, Rotara (#18)

" Eugene, Oregon is a city of extraordinarily high degrees of political efficacy lunacy.

There, fixed it.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   21:32:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent (#43)

" Eugene, Oregon is a city of extraordinarily high degrees of political efficacy lunacy.

There, fixed it.

Don't stop now! LOL

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   21:34:58 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Rotara (#44)

I'm afraid that we have to first extricate The People's Republic of Eugene (a.k.a. Norte San Francisco) from the Twilight Zone before any further repairs can be made.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   21:38:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Original_Intent (#45)

I'm afraid that we have to first extricate The People's Republic of Eugene (a.k.a. Norte San Francisco) from the Twilight Zone before any further repairs can be made.

LOL!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   21:41:00 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Original_Intent (#43)

Sadly, too many Americans feel any show of political efficacy to be lunacy. This is a shame, as you get the best government in a republic like ours with maximum participation of all citizens.

I also submit those who seek to to ethnic cleansing style action here in the United States to purge political opinion they dislike are embracing fascist doctrine. There has been quite the atmosphere of militant intolerance from some in conservative ranks.

They should take care the tiger they try to ride, they could wind up it's dinner.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   21:42:42 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Rotara (#46)

Team America, now that is a great movie.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   21:43:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Ferret Mike (#47)

They should take care the tiger they try to ride, they could wind up it's dinner.

The world socialist 'tiger' must not only be slain, the 'ring masters' must be neutralized as well. It's America's only and last hope.

I'm sorry, deeply, that you don't get this but rather are colluding with America's mortal enemy.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   22:05:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Ferret Mike (#48)

Team America, now that is a great movie.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-16   22:06:29 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: nikki (#39)

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.

Cicero Marcus Tullius

Thank you for this, nikki. Truly timeless words.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-16   22:06:46 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Rotara (#49)

Only a neocon could of articulated such puerile intolerance of political though, congratulations.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   22:13:56 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike (#52)

So, is it a yes or no to your pseudonym being corn flake girl?

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   22:26:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Ferret Mike (#47)

Sadly, too many Americans feel any show of political efficacy to be lunacy. This is a shame, as you get the best government in a republic like ours with maximum participation of all citizens.

My problem is not well intended and good hearted people. The problem is that their actions are visited as tyrannies upon those who disagree. My preference is a very libertarian - you don't intrude upon my liberty and I won't intrude upon yours. I believe in, and support, your right to believe and act as you wish, but only so far as it does not harm another. The kinds of well meaning angst ridden socialist tyrannies espoused by such as is popular in the gulag state of enslaving "love" which is offered up as sound in Eugene I oppose to the very innermost depths of my being. I will be no man's slave and will fight any "well meaning" socialist state Proletarian Slave system - where everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.

Democracy is Two Wolves and a Sheep voting on what's for dinner. (With credit to Benjamin Franklin.)

"The Government Which Governs Best Governs not at all." ~ Henry David Thoreau

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   22:32:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

Thank you for this, nikki. Truly timeless words.

Yw.

Allowing it further rains suspect upon it's host.

nikki  posted on  2008-10-16   22:32:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ferret Mike, Rotara (#52)

Only a neocon could of articulated such puerile intolerance of political though, congratulations.

What part of opposition to socialist enslavement do you find intolerant and why?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   22:34:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Rotara (#4)

I trust my sources.

Why do you even give a shit what goes on at that site anyway?


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:39:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Ferret Mike, rotara (#22)

Murron's posting of a picture of a hangman's noose in a thread discussing a Secret Service protectee was blatantly racist and threatening in tone,

They still doing that over there? I saved the ones that were posted to me.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:44:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#26)

Murron has a biracial grandson so she would be the last to post a picture that was meant to convey the lynching of blacks. it was intended for teasonous, corrupt politicians of any color.

Sorry Christine. I find that just as unacceptable as Byteshredder posting pictures suggesting the hanging of lobbyists to a known lobbyist.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:47:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

I came back on recently as my old friend ALS has been posting there as byte shredder and I have been enjoying our very old rivalry and politics of contention. ;-)

Byteshredder is a comtemptable person who steals others work, makes threats etc. He is the worst and should have been banned in my opinion.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   22:52:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: farmfriend, Ferret Mike (#60)

Byteshredder is a comtemptable person who steals others work, makes threats etc. He is the worst and should have been banned in my opinion.

Goldi-Pox, from what I was told in a PM, invited him over to post in defense of Israel as there were too many posters, such as moi, who were pointing out that Israel's actions on the West Bank and Gaza are no different in kind than those of the Turd Reich.

So, Goldi-Pox will never ban 'botshiller as he's her "boy".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   22:57:53 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Rotara (#12)

In the true world socialist spirit that deep down electrifies you, I'll take yours. How's that?

Cool, can I watch?

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-16   23:06:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: farmfriend (#59)

that was a direct threat to you, so i can understand and respect your opinion on this. again, i saw Murron's jpg as not directed at any specific target. let me ask, would you have found it less offensive if the words were used (i.e. get rope, they deserve hanging) rather than the image?

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-16   23:07:05 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: farmfriend (#60)

Byteshredder is Cash Wakefield of Wichita, KA, the webmaster of several sites including Conservababes. He was at el pee as ALS/AtomicliberalSmasher during the 2004 election cycle with an evil bitch named Charity in tow.

He is extremely fascist, a neocon and free speech's worst nightmare.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main/conservababes.com


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:22:17 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Original_Intent (#61)

Cash Wakefield A K A Byteshredder/ALS is a fervently devout Israel rapture monkey. He believes God made the divine choice of Bush as our president, and he doesn't give a damn about McCain, but he love Palin.

Goldi temp banned RaisedEyeBrows and me for embedding double entendre references to his real name once. Ghost of Quantrill and others also falsely blamed me for Charity's (also there as GoodSeedHomeSchool) departure from el pee.

One of the reasons I was banned as CFG this time was my very overt outing of what his mindset is and inference that indeed I do know who he is and where he lives.

She likes him there as her goon to control Democratic Party booster opposition to approved neocon candidates every election time. There is no free speech at el pee, the verbiage on the home page is a lie. It is like a movie set propped up fake building front with no substance to it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:33:23 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: farmfriend (#59)

"Sorry Christine. I find that just as unacceptable as Byteshredder posting pictures suggesting the hanging of lobbyists to a known lobbyist."

Moi aussi.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:34:30 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Original_Intent (#56)

"What part of opposition to socialist enslavement do you find intolerant and why?"

It is a perfectly legitamate political paradigm in the marketplace of political thought. I am no fan of Marx and Engels, but the U.S. Constitution gives the right of freedom of speech and association.

I have faith in their complete lack of ability to change the U.S. government into a collectivistic socialist entity.

That killing and oppressing people like say the RCP and the CPUSA only gives them the power and glamor of the oppressed and makes them more attractive.

You cannot kill ideas by the oppression of them. The sparks from stamping out several RCP cells only sends out human sparks the form new cells, new fires; it only exacerbates the size and popularity of those groups you might hate.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:41:09 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: christine (#63)

would you have found it less offensive if the words were used (i.e. get rope, they deserve hanging) rather than the image?

Probably. Especially if it was not directed at me but a general statement.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   23:46:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Ferret Mike (#64)

He is extremely fascist, a neocon and free speech's worst nightmare.

Yeah that would be my take. He had quite a following at LP as well. I never did understand it.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   23:47:26 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: angle (#53)

"So, is it a yes or no to your pseudonym being corn flake girl?"

I thought I made it very clear I am indeed the individual who had the CFG returning bannee account.

I have always post openly as myself, using my real name. To me, returning bannee accounts are merely tools -- and I have bedeviled FR with hundreds of them, including some with female aliases as that is always good cover I felt I needed with a returning bannee account at LP because Sally controls her mom and pop forum so tightly.

Since I started posting at ALS. Byteshredder, she had altered my cookie so I only stayed signed in a short time, and she seems to have more then one time setting on this forum control function.

I have watched a long time and noted she kept obvious returning bannee accounts open for a spell after it was obvious she was hip to the game, and that factored into my dropping of the very few style alterations I initially made to my early posts in that account.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:48:54 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Ferret Mike (#70)

she kept obvious returning bannee accounts open for a spell after it was obvious she was hip to the game,

JimRob would do that too. He allowed me to stay when I was posting under my FOG handle. Then he banned me when it served his purposes to protect FairOpinion even though I had done nothing wrong.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   23:51:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Ferret Mike (#64)

My friend Seadogbytes made this graphic after I caught Byteshredder stealing his work.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-16   23:55:12 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: farmfriend (#71)

Sally I found out this time is sharing IP numbers with FR. My returning bannee account at Free Republic currently was shut off an hour after CFG was banned. It is amazing what information you can mine with this sort of probing.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:56:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Ferret Mike (#65)

He didn't like me one little bit - I used links and data he could not refute re Israel's Crimes Against Humanity as well as anti-zionazi Jews speaking up which drove him berserk.

I had him wound so tight one night that all he could post was "I hate you". I was so proud.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-16   23:56:27 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: farmfriend (#72)

Heehee, I love it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-16   23:58:49 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Ferret Mike (#73)

Sally I found out this time is sharing IP numbers with FR.

Doesn't surprise me.

My returning bannee account at Free Republic currently was shut off an hour after CFG was banned.

I have no desire to return to that place. I was going to say JimRob could kiss my ass but I really wouldn't want to be that close to the man.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-17   0:00:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: farmfriend (#76)

Yeah, must be rough to be a FReep these days, Jimmie Boie has less feet to kiss these days. But he still has an acre of rancid ass for them to brown nose into, so they'll survive.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:02:45 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Ferret Mike, christine, Rotara, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Pinguinite, all (#73)

Sally I found out this time is sharing IP numbers with FR. My returning bannee account at Free Republic currently was shut off an hour after CFG was banned. It is amazing what information you can mine with this sort of probing.

That is an interesting data point. Thank you.

Now we know that despite appearances and protestations to the contrary that El Pee and Fraud Republic have the same handlers.

The question is who?

Mossad?

ADL?

AIPAC?

JINSA?

Likely one of those 4 or CIA.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   0:02:56 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Ferret Mike (#75)

He was not happy that I accused him of theft. Nor were his followers. He would copy Seadog's work, alter it and pass it off as his own. He claimed the logo Seadog puts on there was still visible so it wasn't really theft.

I post Seadog's work all the time but I link directly to his site and I don't alter it.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-17   0:04:39 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Ferret Mike (#77)

But he still has an acre of rancid ass for them to brown nose into, so they'll survive.

Oh man. Did you have to place that picture in my head right before I go to bed?


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-17   0:05:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Original_Intent (#74) (Edited)

"I had him wound so tight one night that all he could post was "I hate you". I was so proud"

Bravo. I can picture that as I've done that to him as well. RaisedEyeBrows and I would post in the same office here in Eugene and tag team the dog crap out of the poor boy.

I remembered him enough to have this account waiting to snipe at him once election time came around, and he jumped into my kill zone by returning to el pee as I anticipated he would.

It was much satisfying to tweak his nose with the polling so tearing at him and worrying him so. I wouldn't have missed doing this particular run for the world.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:07:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Ferret Mike, Original_Intent (#81)

I have to be to work at 4am so I'm going to call it a night. Take care.


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. —Thomas Jefferson, 1802

farmfriend  posted on  2008-10-17   0:10:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: farmfriend (#82)

G'night, have good dreams. ;-)


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:12:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#81)

It was much satisfying to tweak his nose with the polling so tearing at him and worrying him so. I wouldn't have missed doing this particular run for the world.

Bravo Zulu. While I'm not an uh, uh, Obama fan, I despise McNutz equally and having 'botshiller wound up in his Republican Worship and the prospect of, shudder, having a filthy lib'rul win is priceless. He is such a maroon, and such an ill mannered churl that it couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   0:16:30 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: farmfriend (#82)

Sleep well. Good evening fair madam.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   0:18:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Original_Intent (#84)

I agree, and McCain's 'I am entitled, I...I...I...BLED FOR THIS DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!' attitude is insufferable. I am hoping Barack Obama delivers, and I like him as a person a whole lot, I have no rose colored sunglasses on. My vote is a function in my own political approach to things political.

I find to have forward motion by making the best political choices possible concerning things I cannot change then to wallow in nihilistic stasis, holding my breath until I turn blue, just seething mad at how the system has others and myself so oppressed and controlled.

I did enough of that during the heyday of the Eugene Anarchist movement when I was part of a very large anarchist cooperative. I see politics as being somewhat a game of chance and a card game as much as it is manipulatable by working the process actively with a set of objectives and goals in mind.

Sure, there is allot of leap of faith in my choice of Barack Obama, but I am also a man who has learned to not ignore the sort of gut instinct I feel about him as well. If I see I was wrong, I won't waste time trying to delude myself everything is going well. I have no patience anymore with politicians who I determine have betrayed my trust.

I am giving the man a chance, we will see if I have made a mistake in doing so. There is nothing at all wrong with making mistakes, it is how fast you correct them and re-orientate yourself to new realities that develop. Paralyzing oneself into inaction because of fear of making a mistake is not how I do things.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   0:36:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Ferret Mike (#86)

I see politics as being somewhat a game of chance

I see it exactly opposite, nothing left to chance.

There is nothing at all wrong with making mistakes, it is how fast you correct them and re-orientate yourself to new realities that develop.

There is much wrong with making mistakes especially when the same ones are repeated. Our country is preparing to do it again regardless of whether Obama or McCain are selected. Mistakes are accidents that occur occasionally, tyranny is a well planned trend. When we consider these two puppets we see they aren't any different other than they represent two different mental pictures but in the end BOTH deliver the same toxic message of more war, more big government, and while spewing irrational promises of change for the better are BOTH obligated to the same financial interests that brung em to the dance.

If there were an iota of difference we'd already have heard one of these parasites remark in the negative about the Federal Reserve System because it's the most toxic cancer in our society and pertinent to everyone irrespective of their spiritual convictions.

Mike, I have little hope of changing your mind, yet I want to expose this political fraud that has hypnotized and thereby paralyzed the common people. The mechanics of the economic prison constructed by a small group in order to control the masses is in place and being fortified as we argue about two irrelevant sons of bitches. "That, in and of itself" is a major factor in their program of enslavement.

The further removed the governing parties are from the governed the less effect the governed have upon the decision making process. All we have to recognize is that incompetence alone couldn't bankrupt America. Incompetence and bureaucracy are generally blamed for governmental blunders and the people are expected to accept it, repeatedly ad nauseum. Then, by keeping us divided over issues better left to individual choice, animosity is developed to insure that the focus is on the senseless argument when it should be directed at the perps.

In the end I believe that the only reason we allow the continuation of this fraud upon decency is fear related to the unknown. My response to this is that we KNOW where we're headed with these jackals leading the way. Even for the most remote possibility of regaining our freedom (to argue about wicca and other bullshit) we must take the chances necessary by approaching the unknown with confidence that we can make life pleasant again just by removing the monied interests from corrupting the very system that's actually supposed to protect freedom rather than impose injustice. We owe this much to our posterity that will be born into a fucking prison should we continue senseless disputes.

When this system or any system causes its membership to finance ideologies that they are diametrically opposed to it is corrupt, "and" it is corrupting its membership. It'd be like me forcing you to buy me a chain saw so that I could decimate the forests.

Frankly, I think you and I have both made certain sacrifices for our individual causes. I think we have both determined to flip off the authorities despite the consequences of being jailed or fined because of our determination to force a change. Our issues are different even though they need to be addressed and corrected, but at times we see ourselves opposed to each others basic philosophies unnecessarily.

I am optimistic that a coalition of the disenfranchised can gather the strength and the DISCIPLINE required to organize and rebuild the liberty based governance that prioritizes the removal of the bribery and corruption leading to these wild pendulum swings that become the focus of attention like the recent bailout bullshit rather than a steady plodding towards a far less contentious society.

We can do this by agreeing to disagree while holding ourselves to a higher more disciplined standard of communication between ourselves focused on achieving the elimination of governance from afar, bribery by PACs, lobbyists, lawyers and other scum, but most importantly we unite the people first for honest government because our only strength is our numbers.

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17   3:17:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: noone222 (#87) (Edited)

Good post with great food for thought, thanks. However, I view things a bit differently. I am more reticent to cast my lot with like minded conservative counterparts.

One reason this Eugene Anarchist puts the protective coloration of a liberal on to talk to you and others like you in a persona you know better and can relate to is to explore exactly the realm of possibilities of securing allies on the right against the Babylon entity out government is.

With all due respect, the experience, while paying dividends in broadening my knowledge deeply as to the nuances and peculiarities of conservatives and fascist neocon swine, my trust level is low.

You have to understand too, I have had attempts in the military to bite me too, one of such attempts having manifested itself into a special court martial that could of sent me to Leavenworth had I lost instead of getting all charges and specifications dismissed with my expensive mouthpiece I hired for that task.

And the central notion of those seeking to harm my status as a paratrooper there was concern by the dominant conservatism of the command structure that I was dangerous because I articulated a high degree of left of center political opinions well enough to alarm them enough to go for my throat metaphorically speaking.

You have to understand as well I see a wave of intolerance rising on the right for even left of center politically people to even be allowed the right to political efficacy with ridiculous charges we are all a bunch of fucking terroristic socialists.

There is even one such intolerant interlocutor here who thinks it terribly cute to explore whether or not I am intimidatable with talk of painting a laser dot on my forehead.

There is also much too much racism in this virtual community for my liking as well. It is a red flag to me.

I am no coward and I am a pragmatist when I need to be. And right now I will be expedient and wait until a presidency with my end of the political spectrum represented has run it's course working with it to coax it toward the directions I want it to go.

I want the U.S. healthier and the middle class restored to a better level of health before I work to see an end to the current set up with the two halves of the single party in the U.S. currently.

I am no fool, and I see what is happening. And I also know the ideologies and aspirations of the secessionist, Christian ID people, and other militant right wing peoples hell bent to leather to scratch their itch to destroy purge and 'cleanse' the United States from peoples they loath.

And as an environmentalist with the experience of the Earth Liberation Front militants cowbirding into our peaceful dissent concerning forest and ecosystem preservation, I am reticent to do anything with the wrong sort of violently uncontrollable people who would do me and others like me in too at the drop of the hat coming along for the ride.

I will not work with people who would use people like me as useful idiots to be done in by them after they feel left of center political allies are no longer needed in the ranks.

I am not going anywhere from 4UM for the moment if only because I am stubborn and competitive when I get people trying to push me around as has been the case in this venue recently.

So thank you for the excellent post and I will keep your words in mind as I sit and watch and continue to learn. I don't just sit here and talk on forums you know.

I am reading and studying different writings and books enhancing my depth and scope of knowledge of all things political. I want to be as formidable as I cam be, and that will only happen if I exercise my mind.

This is another reason I do not even drink alcohol. I always consider my mind my most prized asset, and I am always in training to improve and enhance what I can do with it.

Cheers, and again thanks. One thing I can honestly say is it has been a bright spot of this forum to make your acquaintance, and you I do trust.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   6:10:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Ferret Mike (#88)

Cheers, and again thanks. One thing I can honestly say is it has been a bright spot of this forum to make your acquaintance, and you I do trust.

It didn't start out that way. Over time and in spite of the occasional vitriol that we all spew in moments of frustration, I can see an honest desire to better the future and the willingness to run the risks necessary to accomplish the task.

Funny how similar our military experiences sound. I was sort of a lefty then myself, peace symbols and all that stuff. And even though some of my core beliefs may have changed my loathing of the establishment parasites has only been accelerated because of their incessant invasion of individual rights and denegration of economically challenged humanity in general.

My personal move to the right of center is most likely attributable to parenthood.

I admit that I get frustrated when I see people of worth on both sides of the left/right equation get stuck in an ideological fist fight that isn't relevant to the immediate situation ... however, history supports your determination that in the past the various sides often try to destroy each other after the power brokers have been brought down, ie., the Bolshevik Revolution.

How to overcome human nature's pitfalls is a paradox. At one time I thought smokin dope and droppin acid might accomplish a united front against the power terrorists ... but that just didn't happen. Maybe one day the opportunity will avail itself for people of like minds relative to freedom and liberty will be willing, able and honest enough to negotiate a lasting peace treaty between the left and right ... somewhere near the middle.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17   7:14:06 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: noone222 (#87)

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4708&Disp=5#C5

Ping to my current conversation with moron....errr murron at Liberty's Flame.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   7:26:36 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

Funny isn't it that some things are so repressive that they insult our humanity beyond the interference the left/right paradigm imposes ... like lynching, slavery, and every occasion where man's inhumanity towards man stinks up the neighborhood.

Maybe we'll all have to consider the forces of evil the center and attack them from the left and right ... one thing seems certain to me ... the general conditions related to felicity of life have deteriorated consistently regardless of party politics and I am awfully fucking tired of watching it continue ... especially when I think it's going to interfere with my daughter's family. I guess a dad never quits seing his daughter as an innocent child to be protected at all costs.

Should these insane political motherfuckers ever harm a hair on her head while I have enough strength to pull a trigger ... they'll regret it and it won't make an iota of difference which party they belong to because the party will be O.V.E.R. !

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17   7:44:16 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Ferret Mike (#90) (Edited)

Man, how do you do it ??? I can't hardly handle the arguments on one forum let alone subjecting myself to a multitude of them. Like having 10 wives ... yikes !!!

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-17   7:51:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

Congratulations on being banned by Goldi-Lox, and welcome to the club.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-17   12:09:15 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

You have to admit that when using visual metaphor, one has to be on guard not to chose something that is the metaphor for something involving racial intolerance.

You mean we should all be "politically correct".

That's not going to happen. And people need to stop reading racism into everything they see, including a picture of a watermelon.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-17   12:50:32 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

racial intolerance.

Silly talk. Go preach this to the dark side of your family tree. The most racially intolerant people I've ever met were blacks and Hispanics, and their intolerance was directed toward whites. Go work on that side of the equation before you babble to whites.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-17   13:05:52 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: mel_living (#94)

You mean we should all be "politically correct".

That's not going to happen. And people need to stop reading racism into everything they see, including a picture of a watermelon.

amen, mel.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-17   13:06:10 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: mel_living (#94)

Hi Mel my dear, my opinion still stands. If you use a noose in a photo shopping of a graphic saying it is intended to mean a call for bodily harm of all crooked politicians, then you include a spouse in this case to provide a quote to accent the intent, and this spouse is Michelle Obama, you are begging for serious trouble.

Anyone making a graphic like that not knowing the short circuit of intent that would arch from it in a big glow of emotional sparks and heat because the history of lynching is still a tender subject with a whole lot of folks is dumb as mud, or malicious to the extreme.

You are welcome not to concur. But family members do not belong on graphics meant for crooked politicians. Not to mention that if you make the quote one from a wife of the sort of man that has been the primary target of lynchings in the United States because of a toxic mixture of mob psychosis and brutally ignorant racism, you muddy the waters of what your intent actually was of the graphic.

I would say that at the best, and I do mean the very best; I would say there is subliminal racism expressed in her graphic. She is schizophrenic about her particular brand of racism, part of her needs it, part of her hates it.

That's just my opinion, mind you.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   13:08:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Jethro Tull (#95) (Edited)

I am three quarters Irish and one quarter Puerto Rican to let you know where I am personally background wise.

I grew up in the 1960s and early 1970s and was heavily influenced by the Civil Rights Movement and Rev. Dr. MLK Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi are role models and personal heroes to me.

Racism, regardless of the background of the hater or that of the target is a irrational and subjective belief of superiority of one group over another.

It is dangerous, and has a individual level and a mob psychosis to it that is very dangerous and volatile. It is a psychosis that is very pervasive, viral, and destroys and blights the lives of the haters and the hated.

It is something where there is no room to defend it anymore then there is to defend any other socially unacceptable and criminal activity.

I have a deep and abiding aversion to it, try to have some sympathy for those afflicted with it knowing there is always hope they will recover from their affliction, and I refuse to tolerate it, I will speak up and attack racist verbiage or actions I see in person. I have absolutely no fear to do so, my passion against racism is extremely deep.

Corn Flake Girl Ferret Mike posted on 2008-10-16 14:10:55 ET Reply Trace

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242074&Disp=85#C85

Well, here is something I wrote over there I know you would find interesting anyway.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   13:13:46 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Ferret Mike (#97)

You lied to me when you told me CFG was your girlfriend.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-10-17   13:23:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: noone222 (#87)

Ferret: I did enough of that during the heyday of the Eugene Anarchist movement when I was part of a very large anarchist cooperative. I see politics as being somewhat a game of chance and a card game as much as it is manipulatable by working the process actively with a set of objectives and goals in mind.

Noone: There is much wrong with making mistakes especially when the same ones are repeated. Our country is preparing to do it again regardless of whether Obama or McCain are selected. Mistakes are accidents that occur occasionally, tyranny is a well planned trend. When we consider these two puppets we see they aren't any different other than they represent two different mental pictures but in the end BOTH deliver the same toxic message of more war, more big government, and while spewing irrational promises of change for the better are BOTH obligated to the same financial interests that brung em to the dance.

A most excellent exchange of views.

"In a time of universal deceit speaking the truth is a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell

The point is that we have been presented with a false Paradigm (Greek for Worldview) of "Left" versus "Right" when the choice is actually Freedom or Slavery.

One can either accept the Psychological manipulations and buy into the rigged game or one can step back and look at the whole picture and realize that it is not a game of chance but a rigged game - a con job - manipulations born in a Psychiatric Think Tank such as Tavistock or Langely.

As one sees Obama switch from Anti-NAFTA, Anti-GATT, to support them and who voted, like McNutz, for increasing the Slave State Grid, not securing our borders, and is beholden, and controlled by, the Alpha Plutocrats of the inbred International Banking Cartel with their eugenics, perversions (including child snuff films, international slave trade in child sex slaves, and the filth which they perpetrate in their psychotic visions of THEIR Dante like inferno) and ultimate complete hellish totalitarian control.

That is what we are facing and to the degree people cannot wake up, or confront, the reality we face it becomes more powerful.

We are at the crisis point in human history. Either we throw off the manipulations and assert ourselves as loving individuals with the strength to confront and oppose evil or the evil wins. It is really that simple - either confront, identify, and acknowledge the existence of evil or the evil wins. Ignoring it, not looking at it, or pretending it is not there does nothing to counter it and simply lends it strength.

This is not an Oh'Bummer versus McNutz world view it is to look, and acknowledge, the reality that they are both owned and controlled by the same people.

Mike I respect you as a decent person, but the reality is that Obama is just as much a creature of the dark as McCain, and both are controlled by the same people. With a few cosmetic differences they both are pushing the same agenda. Between the two Obama is the more dangerous if only because some people have accepted the PR image created that he is a wonderful person who means well and will save us all from the evil white Republicans, when behind the mask there is no difference.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   13:30:16 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Ferret Mike (#100)

Oops - mean't to include you on the above post.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-10-17   13:31:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Fred Mertz (#99)

My bad. Apologies Fred, the devil musta made me do that. ;-D


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   13:37:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Ferret Mike (#98)

I'm not going to bother to type out my background, but I'm a tad older than you, grew up in a mixed neighborhood in Brooklyn and worked in every section of the city while in the NYPD. I can say this w/o reservation; you are a liberal, and liberalism is a mental disorder (Michael Savage didn't coin that phrase, it was first used by Frank from Queens, a regular caller to the old Bob Grant radio show). Only the mentally ill would consider forced integration, hate speech law, multiple layers of tax payer funded social programs and illegal immigration a bonus to America. And the really rich part of your philosophy is that if you dared to walk around Harlem on a Saturday night in the summer, you'd be found in short order naked, bloodied and broken, simply b/c you're white. I consider you to be a sick man, who, to be perfectly frank, I don't trust as far as I could throw. Come Nov.5th, should Obama win as it appears, I suspect we'll all see the real Mick McCarthy, and it won't be pretty.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-17   13:38:09 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)

Amen and amen.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-10-17   13:45:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Fred Mertz (#99)

Would it help to know a girl friend helped inspire this returning bannee account? Actually Fred, ask Laz over there about what a burden being told by someone the truth about a covert account. ( And please ping the boy to that mess there anyway, he was my partner in crime more then once at FR when I was in there in another account, thanks.)

I was expecting the account to be banned soon anyway and figured you might possibly know someday.

I didn't expect Murron to provide such good town crier service on this one, and she's better then having a publicist when it comes to doing after action on returning bannee accounts.

She's just the right amount of malicious orneriness, nosiness, self pitying, and she would jump off a cliff screaming as she fell if you sneaked up behind her and whispered "boo" to her. She is that easy to stampede in a mindless manner.

So look at the factors too. Without my amplifier and publicist over there, I would be getting far less attention concerning this account then I am now. ;-D


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   13:48:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Ferret Mike (#97)

Hi Mel my dear, my opinion still stands. If you use a noose in a photo shopping of a graphic saying it is intended to mean a call for bodily harm of all crooked politicians, then you include a spouse in this case to provide a quote to accent the intent, and this spouse is Michelle Obama, you are begging for serious trouble.

So comparing Bush to a monkey, because he looks like one, is OK, because Bush is white.

But it's not OK to compare a Michelle Obama to an Ape that she looks like, because she's black.

Obama supporters are OK to contunually state over and over that Palin's daughter shoud have gotten an abortion, but Palin supporters can't mention friends and family of Obama, because it's not "politically correct".

You truely are an Obama-bot - aren't you? Seeing racism in every post against Obama and his global policies. That's what his campaign is based upon. Either you're for him or you're racist.

Well, I'm not buying it and anyone who knows Murron, knows she's not got a racist bone in her body.

I, for one, am tired of the racist card being played everytime somebody speaks against Obama's policies.

Unlike you, I value my freedoms.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-17   13:50:20 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Jethro Tull (#103)

Branding people farther to one end of the political spectrum then you are as being sickos to dehumanize them and to shut down dialog to turn it into a declaration of cultural war is asinine and ignorant. Period.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   13:52:09 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: mel_living (#106)

Bush is a politician, Michelle Obama is a politician's family member.

Unlike you, I don't use people's family as clubs to beat them over the head with to make a political point.

Unlike you I don't confuse family from the politician.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   13:55:26 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)

She speaks on his behalf at rallies for his campaign and honestly, with all the crap that spews from her mouth, she's just as much a target as he is. If she doesn't want the heat, she needs to stay home with the kids.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-17   14:01:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: mel_living (#109)

I don't concur. I know Laura Bush has spoken for her hubby whom I loathe with a purple passion and I lay off of her. The same goes with Nancy Reagan, I remember when the fortune teller thing came out, I did not make hay about it, and again, I don't like Ronald Reagan either.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   14:08:49 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Ferret Mike (#108)

Unlike you, I don't use people's family as clubs to beat them over the head with to make a political point.

Unlike you I don't confuse family from the politician.

The Obama campaign sure did snicker and hee-haw when the MSM went after Sarah Palin's daughter and made an issue of her pregnancy. Obama didn't fire one person in his campaign for having politically incorrect thoughts on that inappropriate topic.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-17   14:10:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: X-15 (#111)

The MSM also said it was an open secret in Alaska and the point has not grown legs, people have better sense then that to bully these kids. This girl and her boyfriend are not running for public office, and I don't view this as a Sarah Palin moral lapse.

I just call it having teenage kids in the first decade of the 21st Century. And this is true of how many people view this.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   14:16:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Ferret Mike (#110)

Let's not forget about everyone bringing McCain's wife into the battle either.

When somebody like Michelle Obama makes the type of statements she has made, when she puts herself out there in front of the public, we have every right to speak our against the things she has said.

She has made herself a public figure. Honestly, we all know that the spouse of the President has some pull, so if I don't like her ideas, I can say so. I can criticize her just as much as I can Obama.

You make me want to post a graphic. hehehe

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-17   14:17:54 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: All (#113)

Michelle Obama: "We have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."

Michelle Obama: "If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be."

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-17   14:18:25 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Ferret Mike (#112)

I do wonder why you chose this forum to post this thread and discuss this topic. I would've thought a forum that Murron posts on would be better ~ at least then it wouldn't be a one-sided story.

Of course, the way you appear to want to limit free speech and freely exchanging ideas, perhaps I can understand it.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-17   14:23:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: mel_living (#109)

"He was either banned for some forgotten reason,or asked to have his account closed. I don't remember which."

If you wish to, let Pete know I was banned for reasons surrounding an article posting. There is no point in rehashing it, as Goldi doesn't care whether she was wrong or unfair about it so there is no point in going into it.

I was banned for an excuse reason, and I knew that when that happens, you are never going to talk the forum owner into changing their minds.

A search of 'Ferret' would show it moved to the Biker Bar, with the bare URL I normally put in 'source' replaced by the name of the newspaper's parent organization in capital letters by Goldi.

She claimed I was being deceptive, but I don't agree, as the bare url will always take you to where you got the piece you reposted anyway. It's how I always did posting and still do this.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   14:25:02 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Ferret Mike (#116)

I really don't care.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-17   14:33:41 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: mel_living (#115)

Err, I have not posted any threads in all this.

I would actually be just as happy to see this dissipate away away as it should, and do not like this playing to this level, as it is a distraction from more important things others and I have to do.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   14:34:28 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: mel_living (#117)

"I really don't care."

More then fine with me.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   14:35:04 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Ferret Mike (#118)

My mistake~it so fitted your agenda.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-17   14:39:33 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: mel_living (#120) (Edited)

My, what a cynic. No matter I don't really begrudge your opinion nor does it bother me.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   14:49:25 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Ferret Mike (#116)

I posted your above reply to sneakypete on elPee.

www.libertypost.org/cgi- b...tNum=242074&Disp=164#C164

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-10-17   14:50:17 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Fred Mertz (#122)

Thanks Fred, I appreciate it. It was May Day, 2001, and I posted an anti Minuteman article from what used to be the Revolutionary Worker paper, mouth piece for the Revolutionary Communist Party.

I loved the title of it. It was a token International Worker's Day posting meant to spice up the immigration debate. Locally the RCP are a joke and we call their other group, 'RCYB,' which is the 'Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade,' the Really Confused Young Bourgeoisie.'

I did at the time resent it being taken as de facto support for the RCP, but I got over it as it wasn't true, and Goldi just wanted an excuse to off my account again anyway.

Thanks again. I see Pete Asked if I actually supported Ron Paul and I have indeed, and he would be a better choice then the current two candidates as what he sells as a Constitutionalist heavyweight is just what the doctor ordered for this country at this point in it's history.

The support and respect I have for Ron Paul is serious.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   15:00:51 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: mel_living (#114)

Cute picture of a hob ferret over there, thanks.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   15:01:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: mel_living (#94)

You are one seriously smokin' hot BABE! Thanks for stopping by! Come back.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-17   18:43:20 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Rotara (#125)

Have you been talking to Laz?

lol...

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-20   11:30:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Ferret Mike (#124)

I have a Ferret. Her name is Susie Q. Out of all the pets, she's the one I enjoy watching the most.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-20   11:32:35 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: mel_living (#126)

Have you been talking to Laz?

Regardless, you've gotta love the Laz!

Now, let's get back to you, my darling..;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   11:35:54 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Rotara (#128)

How to control ferret odor

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-20   11:38:20 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Rotara (#128)

Laz has gone missing from LP.

He doesn't email me anymore either.

I thought he fell off the planet.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-20   11:40:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: mel_living (#130)

Laz has gone missing from LP.

He doesn't email me anymore either.

I thought he fell off the planet.

Honestly, with Laz, that's to be expected.

And usually not a great sign. Let me know when you raise him. (ahaha, punny j/k).

Series.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   11:46:28 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Jethro Tull (#129)

How to control ferret odor

I can not come to terms. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   11:47:22 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Rotara, Ferret Mike (#3)

mike, you POS, you *ARE* worse than a f**king BUSHBOT.

What a loser.

Newsflash!

We are going to end up with McPain or O'Bummer, no matter what any of us say or do. Both are equally bad in their own way and both are puppets of whomever is pulling the strings for the NWO.

So why make the resistance movement look bad by resorting to these schoolyard bully tactics against people that happen to disagree with you on a few issues?

It makes it hard for people to want to be on your side.

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Schenectady, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-20   11:55:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Rotara (#131)

Honestly, with Laz, that's to be expected.

And usually not a great sign. Let me know when you raise him. (ahaha, punny j/k).

Series.

I miss the guy, but he'll come around again. In the meantime, I'll flirt with some one else.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-20   12:05:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Critter (#133)

It makes it hard for people to want to be on your side.

Bullshit, just be on America's side.

I don't want any followers here. I already know who is trust worthy and who is worthless.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   12:05:25 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: mel_living (#134)

In the meantime, I'll flirt with some one else.

I'd like a try out. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   12:06:11 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Rotara (#135)

I don't want any followers here. I already know who is trust worthy and who is worthless.

So you want to stand pat and not recruit any newcomers?

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Schenectady, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-20   12:06:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Critter (#137)

So you want to stand pat and not recruit any newcomers?

I'm moving forward with those I can trust. The rate of infiltration now goes up every day. Late wakers will have to lead themselves.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   12:09:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Rotara (#136)

lol...I don't usually post here. It was the title of the thread that got my attention. I'll check in more often...

The air is a bit different here and no Buckeroo.

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-20   12:13:16 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: mel_living (#139)

The air is a bit different here and no Buckeroo.

It's the last forum I'll ever post to, that's for sure.

Traitors don't get a pass, which is different. Right sugar? ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   12:15:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: mel_living (#139) (Edited)

no Buckeroo

Awwwwww... you don't like buckie? :)

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Schenectady, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-20   12:15:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Critter (#141)

Awwwwww... you don't like buckie? :)

Nope....I love Buckie! lol!

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-20   12:22:38 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Rotara (#140)

You have mail. ;-)

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-20   12:28:53 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: mel_living (#142)

Nope....I love Buckie! lol!

I worked with him on a couple of projects back in 99 and 2000. He was an intense individual and a rabid patriot. How's he doin these days? Ain't seen him in a while.

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Schenectady, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-20   12:32:03 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: mel_living (#143)

You have mail. ;-)

I love having mail!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-20   12:32:30 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Critter (#144)

Buckie is still Buckie. He still spews vile and makes up crazy stories. You can find him elsewhere on the net - where he's still blaming me for his demise on LP. hahahaha

mel_living  posted on  2008-10-20   12:36:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Jethro Tull (#103)

Come Nov.5th, should Obama win as it appears, I suspect we'll all see the real Mick McCarthy, and it won't be pretty.

The real Mick McCarthy likes to post as a chick and call Secret Service.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-10-20   12:53:16 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Critter (#144)

How's he doin these days? Ain't seen him in a while.

Believe it or not he and Jethro kissed and made up/buried the hatchet about ten days ago on FU.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-10-20   13:01:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Critter (#141)

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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-20   13:02:54 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Fred Mertz (#148)

FU? That place still exists?

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Schenectady, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-20   13:05:18 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Critter (#133)

So why make the resistance movement look bad by resorting to these schoolyard bully tactics against people that happen to disagree with you on a few issues?

It makes it hard for people to want to be on your side.

No worries about alienating a constitutionalist when it is an Obama supporter. Obama knows about as much about the Constitution as a pygmy knows about being tall and those who support him either don't know he is a scumbag socialist or don't care. No excuse for not knowing because there is plenty of information available.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-20   13:06:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Critter (#150)

freedomunderground.org/vi...v=3&t=3&l=26&aid=25620#26

Okay, it was over two weeks ago.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-10-20   13:11:53 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Original_Intent (#100)

With a few cosmetic differences they both are pushing the same agenda. Between the two Obama is the more dangerous if only because some people have accepted the PR image created that he is a wonderful person who means well and will save us all from the evil white Republicans, when behind the mask there is no difference.

Exactly right.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-20   13:19:16 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Vitamin Z (#147)

"The real Mick McCarthy likes to post as a chick and call Secret Service."

And therefore you can show me where I said I was going to call the Secret Service? I am using my real name, so if you will let me know who you are, I will be glad to file a lawsuit against you for this slander if you would like. I have standing to do this when I use my real name, and don't in an anon acount name.

Go ahead, I can use the money, and you have zero proof of anything but a moron Murran jumping to conclusions and running around like a fat old chicken with her head cut off.

I bet you are too chicken to ID yourself, speaking of chickens.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-20   13:21:37 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: James Deffenbach (#151)

No worries about alienating a constitutionalist when it is an Obama supporter.

I'm not worried about the Obummer supporter. I'm worried about other folks reading it and being turned off by the juvenile nature of some of the stuff.

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Schenectady, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-20   13:22:07 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Fred Mertz (#152)

Wow.

I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Tattoos Schenectady, NY

Critter  posted on  2008-10-20   13:24:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Ferret Mike (#154)

Whatever, Flaky Girl...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-10-20   13:24:24 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Vitamin Z (#157)

Heh, I thought so. You are chicken, and a shit talker.

Now, go find me that evidence I said I would call, go on, you said I posted that, find it. Loser. ;-D


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-20   13:25:41 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: noone222 (#87)

All we have to recognize is that incompetence alone couldn't bankrupt America.

If it were only simple incompetence it stands to reason that at least once in a while something they did would actually be of some benefit to America. Since it never is I think it is safe to assume that there is a plan they are following.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-20   13:43:49 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: ALL (#159)

i'm going to lock this thread now. it's run its course and is a distraction to discussion of more important issues.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-20   13:53:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


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