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Title: LP Member, Corn Flake Girl, Attempts to Silence/Intimidate/ Fellow Member With Secret Service (Rumor -> Corn Flake Girl=Ferret Mike?)
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URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242074&Disp=All
Published: Oct 15, 2008
Author: Murron
Post Date: 2008-10-15 23:53:30 by Rotara
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Views: 5963
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LP Member, Corn Flake Girl, Attempts to Silence/Intimidate Fellow Member With Secret Service "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances". "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell, Preface to Animal Farm (1946) "If you're in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech." Noam Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media (1992). We must never allow people like Corn Flake Girl to impede or stop us from defending our right to speak, to express, to write and to tell the truth, to be the watchdog, eyes and ears of the people, or simply to share our view, and give fair comment on any subject which involves and affects us as humans, as rightful citizens of this country. Most of us have fought censorship all of our adult life. To me, the most precious of all rights in this marvelous country called the United States of America is the freedom to think, write and say whatever is on your mind... That freedom also extends to thoughts that are stupid, ignorant or incendiary. No one needs a First Amendment to write about how cute newborn babies are or to publish a recipe for strawberry shortcake. Nobody needs a First Amendment for innocuous or popular points of view. That's point one. Point two is that the majority-you and I-must always protect the right of a minority-even a minority of one-to express the most outrageous and offensive ideas. Only then is total freedom of expression guaranteed." The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish. If we suppress ideas we don't like, the proponents of those ideas will probably fester in secret societies and explode in double-plus ungood ways and we will like those results even less. If we allow people to see their ideas, and we ignore them, they've had their chance and they don't have to feel cheated about not getting exposure. Or if we really don't like their ideas and really need to keep them from convincing other people to believe in them, the answer is to tell people why and they'll learn. But you can't just beat people up because you dislike their stupid opinion. If we go that route, then ignorant, faceless people like "Corn Flake Girl" will use their intimidation and force us to suppress any opinion they don't like, and maybe support opinions we don't like. Then what you get is a society of brutality where it isn't the best ideas that are seen by others, it's only the ideas that have the most vicious thugs to back them up. And it becomes very hard for people to be willing to express any opinion if someone can just pop them one because they say something someone else doesn't like. As responsible members of LibertyPost, we demand and claim our space on the Internet for free and fair comment, where important national issues and prominent personalities are discussed. Corn Flake Girl! If you find my posts offensive, you may, at any time, refute me with correct facts and figures and fair comment, in the spirit of free speech, but you will never silence me with threats of intimidation by the Secret Service, or any Law Enforcement. And if you ever do attempt something so stupid, you had better get your facts straight, because I do not tuck tale and run from you, or anyone who attempts to silence me. ~ Murron
Poster Comment: Corn Flake/Ferret, do you have anything to say for yourself - you demented little goofy girl you?
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#90. To: noone222 (#87)
Ping to my current conversation with moron....errr murron at Liberty's Flame.
Funny isn't it that some things are so repressive that they insult our humanity beyond the interference the left/right paradigm imposes ... like lynching, slavery, and every occasion where man's inhumanity towards man stinks up the neighborhood. Maybe we'll all have to consider the forces of evil the center and attack them from the left and right ... one thing seems certain to me ... the general conditions related to felicity of life have deteriorated consistently regardless of party politics and I am awfully fucking tired of watching it continue ... especially when I think it's going to interfere with my daughter's family. I guess a dad never quits seing his daughter as an innocent child to be protected at all costs. Should these insane political motherfuckers ever harm a hair on her head while I have enough strength to pull a trigger ... they'll regret it and it won't make an iota of difference which party they belong to because the party will be O.V.E.R. !
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison. Henry David Thoreau
Man, how do you do it ??? I can't hardly handle the arguments on one forum let alone subjecting myself to a multitude of them. Like having 10 wives ... yikes !!!
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison. Henry David Thoreau
Congratulations on being banned by Goldi-Lox, and welcome to the club.
You mean we should all be "politically correct". That's not going to happen. And people need to stop reading racism into everything they see, including a picture of a watermelon.
Silly talk. Go preach this to the dark side of your family tree. The most racially intolerant people I've ever met were blacks and Hispanics, and their intolerance was directed toward whites. Go work on that side of the equation before you babble to whites.
That's not going to happen. And people need to stop reading racism into everything they see, including a picture of a watermelon. amen, mel.
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
Hi Mel my dear, my opinion still stands. If you use a noose in a photo shopping of a graphic saying it is intended to mean a call for bodily harm of all crooked politicians, then you include a spouse in this case to provide a quote to accent the intent, and this spouse is Michelle Obama, you are begging for serious trouble. Anyone making a graphic like that not knowing the short circuit of intent that would arch from it in a big glow of emotional sparks and heat because the history of lynching is still a tender subject with a whole lot of folks is dumb as mud, or malicious to the extreme. You are welcome not to concur. But family members do not belong on graphics meant for crooked politicians. Not to mention that if you make the quote one from a wife of the sort of man that has been the primary target of lynchings in the United States because of a toxic mixture of mob psychosis and brutally ignorant racism, you muddy the waters of what your intent actually was of the graphic. I would say that at the best, and I do mean the very best; I would say there is subliminal racism expressed in her graphic. She is schizophrenic about her particular brand of racism, part of her needs it, part of her hates it. That's just my opinion, mind you.
I grew up in the 1960s and early 1970s and was heavily influenced by the Civil Rights Movement and Rev. Dr. MLK Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi are role models and personal heroes to me. Racism, regardless of the background of the hater or that of the target is a irrational and subjective belief of superiority of one group over another. It is dangerous, and has a individual level and a mob psychosis to it that is very dangerous and volatile. It is a psychosis that is very pervasive, viral, and destroys and blights the lives of the haters and the hated. It is something where there is no room to defend it anymore then there is to defend any other socially unacceptable and criminal activity. I have a deep and abiding aversion to it, try to have some sympathy for those afflicted with it knowing there is always hope they will recover from their affliction, and I refuse to tolerate it, I will speak up and attack racist verbiage or actions I see in person. I have absolutely no fear to do so, my passion against racism is extremely deep. http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242074&Disp=85#C85 Well, here is something I wrote over there I know you would find interesting anyway.
You lied to me when you told me CFG was your girlfriend.
Noone: There is much wrong with making mistakes especially when the same ones are repeated. Our country is preparing to do it again regardless of whether Obama or McCain are selected. Mistakes are accidents that occur occasionally, tyranny is a well planned trend. When we consider these two puppets we see they aren't any different other than they represent two different mental pictures but in the end BOTH deliver the same toxic message of more war, more big government, and while spewing irrational promises of change for the better are BOTH obligated to the same financial interests that brung em to the dance. A most excellent exchange of views. The point is that we have been presented with a false Paradigm (Greek for Worldview) of "Left" versus "Right" when the choice is actually Freedom or Slavery. One can either accept the Psychological manipulations and buy into the rigged game or one can step back and look at the whole picture and realize that it is not a game of chance but a rigged game - a con job - manipulations born in a Psychiatric Think Tank such as Tavistock or Langely. As one sees Obama switch from Anti-NAFTA, Anti-GATT, to support them and who voted, like McNutz, for increasing the Slave State Grid, not securing our borders, and is beholden, and controlled by, the Alpha Plutocrats of the inbred International Banking Cartel with their eugenics, perversions (including child snuff films, international slave trade in child sex slaves, and the filth which they perpetrate in their psychotic visions of THEIR Dante like inferno) and ultimate complete hellish totalitarian control. That is what we are facing and to the degree people cannot wake up, or confront, the reality we face it becomes more powerful. We are at the crisis point in human history. Either we throw off the manipulations and assert ourselves as loving individuals with the strength to confront and oppose evil or the evil wins. It is really that simple - either confront, identify, and acknowledge the existence of evil or the evil wins. Ignoring it, not looking at it, or pretending it is not there does nothing to counter it and simply lends it strength. This is not an Oh'Bummer versus McNutz world view it is to look, and acknowledge, the reality that they are both owned and controlled by the same people. Mike I respect you as a decent person, but the reality is that Obama is just as much a creature of the dark as McCain, and both are controlled by the same people. With a few cosmetic differences they both are pushing the same agenda. Between the two Obama is the more dangerous if only because some people have accepted the PR image created that he is a wonderful person who means well and will save us all from the evil white Republicans, when behind the mask there is no difference.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Oops - mean't to include you on the above post.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
My bad. Apologies Fred, the devil musta made me do that. ;-D
I'm not going to bother to type out my background, but I'm a tad older than you, grew up in a mixed neighborhood in Brooklyn and worked in every section of the city while in the NYPD. I can say this w/o reservation; you are a liberal, and liberalism is a mental disorder (Michael Savage didn't coin that phrase, it was first used by Frank from Queens, a regular caller to the old Bob Grant radio show). Only the mentally ill would consider forced integration, hate speech law, multiple layers of tax payer funded social programs and illegal immigration a bonus to America. And the really rich part of your philosophy is that if you dared to walk around Harlem on a Saturday night in the summer, you'd be found in short order naked, bloodied and broken, simply b/c you're white. I consider you to be a sick man, who, to be perfectly frank, I don't trust as far as I could throw. Come Nov.5th, should Obama win as it appears, I suspect we'll all see the real Mick McCarthy, and it won't be pretty.
Amen and amen.
Would it help to know a girl friend helped inspire this returning bannee account? Actually Fred, ask Laz over there about what a burden being told by someone the truth about a covert account. ( And please ping the boy to that mess there anyway, he was my partner in crime more then once at FR when I was in there in another account, thanks.) I was expecting the account to be banned soon anyway and figured you might possibly know someday. I didn't expect Murron to provide such good town crier service on this one, and she's better then having a publicist when it comes to doing after action on returning bannee accounts. She's just the right amount of malicious orneriness, nosiness, self pitying, and she would jump off a cliff screaming as she fell if you sneaked up behind her and whispered "boo" to her. She is that easy to stampede in a mindless manner. So look at the factors too. Without my amplifier and publicist over there, I would be getting far less attention concerning this account then I am now. ;-D
So comparing Bush to a monkey, because he looks like one, is OK, because Bush is white. But it's not OK to compare a Michelle Obama to an Ape that she looks like, because she's black. Obama supporters are OK to contunually state over and over that Palin's daughter shoud have gotten an abortion, but Palin supporters can't mention friends and family of Obama, because it's not "politically correct". You truely are an Obama-bot - aren't you? Seeing racism in every post against Obama and his global policies. That's what his campaign is based upon. Either you're for him or you're racist. Well, I'm not buying it and anyone who knows Murron, knows she's not got a racist bone in her body. I, for one, am tired of the racist card being played everytime somebody speaks against Obama's policies. Unlike you, I value my freedoms.
Branding people farther to one end of the political spectrum then you are as being sickos to dehumanize them and to shut down dialog to turn it into a declaration of cultural war is asinine and ignorant. Period.
Bush is a politician, Michelle Obama is a politician's family member. Unlike you, I don't use people's family as clubs to beat them over the head with to make a political point. Unlike you I don't confuse family from the politician.
She speaks on his behalf at rallies for his campaign and honestly, with all the crap that spews from her mouth, she's just as much a target as he is. If she doesn't want the heat, she needs to stay home with the kids.
I don't concur. I know Laura Bush has spoken for her hubby whom I loathe with a purple passion and I lay off of her. The same goes with Nancy Reagan, I remember when the fortune teller thing came out, I did not make hay about it, and again, I don't like Ronald Reagan either.
Unlike you I don't confuse family from the politician. The Obama campaign sure did snicker and hee-haw when the MSM went after Sarah Palin's daughter and made an issue of her pregnancy. Obama didn't fire one person in his campaign for having politically incorrect thoughts on that inappropriate topic.
The MSM also said it was an open secret in Alaska and the point has not grown legs, people have better sense then that to bully these kids. This girl and her boyfriend are not running for public office, and I don't view this as a Sarah Palin moral lapse. I just call it having teenage kids in the first decade of the 21st Century. And this is true of how many people view this.
Let's not forget about everyone bringing McCain's wife into the battle either. When somebody like Michelle Obama makes the type of statements she has made, when she puts herself out there in front of the public, we have every right to speak our against the things she has said. She has made herself a public figure. Honestly, we all know that the spouse of the President has some pull, so if I don't like her ideas, I can say so. I can criticize her just as much as I can Obama. You make me want to post a graphic. hehehe
Michelle Obama: "If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be."
I do wonder why you chose this forum to post this thread and discuss this topic. I would've thought a forum that Murron posts on would be better ~ at least then it wouldn't be a one-sided story. Of course, the way you appear to want to limit free speech and freely exchanging ideas, perhaps I can understand it.
If you wish to, let Pete know I was banned for reasons surrounding an article posting. There is no point in rehashing it, as Goldi doesn't care whether she was wrong or unfair about it so there is no point in going into it. I was banned for an excuse reason, and I knew that when that happens, you are never going to talk the forum owner into changing their minds. A search of 'Ferret' would show it moved to the Biker Bar, with the bare URL I normally put in 'source' replaced by the name of the newspaper's parent organization in capital letters by Goldi. She claimed I was being deceptive, but I don't agree, as the bare url will always take you to where you got the piece you reposted anyway. It's how I always did posting and still do this.
I really don't care.
Err, I have not posted any threads in all this. I would actually be just as happy to see this dissipate away away as it should, and do not like this playing to this level, as it is a distraction from more important things others and I have to do.
More then fine with me.
My mistake~it so fitted your agenda.
My, what a cynic. No matter I don't really begrudge your opinion nor does it bother me.
I posted your above reply to sneakypete on elPee.
Thanks Fred, I appreciate it. It was May Day, 2001, and I posted an anti Minuteman article from what used to be the Revolutionary Worker paper, mouth piece for the Revolutionary Communist Party. I loved the title of it. It was a token International Worker's Day posting meant to spice up the immigration debate. Locally the RCP are a joke and we call their other group, 'RCYB,' which is the 'Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade,' the Really Confused Young Bourgeoisie.' I did at the time resent it being taken as de facto support for the RCP, but I got over it as it wasn't true, and Goldi just wanted an excuse to off my account again anyway. Thanks again. I see Pete Asked if I actually supported Ron Paul and I have indeed, and he would be a better choice then the current two candidates as what he sells as a Constitutionalist heavyweight is just what the doctor ordered for this country at this point in it's history. The support and respect I have for Ron Paul is serious.
Cute picture of a hob ferret over there, thanks.
You are one seriously smokin' hot BABE! Thanks for stopping by! Come back.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Have you been talking to Laz? lol...
I have a Ferret. Her name is Susie Q. Out of all the pets, she's the one I enjoy watching the most.
Regardless, you've gotta love the Laz! Now, let's get back to you, my darling..;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#90)
#92. To: Ferret Mike (#90)
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#93. To: Ferret Mike (#90)
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#94. To: Ferret Mike (#30)
You have to admit that when using visual metaphor, one has to be on guard not to chose something that is the metaphor for something involving racial intolerance.
#95. To: Ferret Mike (#30)
racial intolerance.
#96. To: mel_living (#94)
You mean we should all be "politically correct".
#97. To: mel_living (#94)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#95)
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I am three quarters Irish and one quarter Puerto Rican to let you know where I am personally background wise.
Corn Flake Girl Ferret Mike posted on 2008-10-16 14:10:55 ET Reply Trace
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#99. To: Ferret Mike (#97)
#100. To: noone222 (#87)
Ferret: I did enough of that during the heyday of the Eugene Anarchist movement when I was part of a very large anarchist cooperative. I see politics as being somewhat a game of chance and a card game as much as it is manipulatable by working the process actively with a set of objectives and goals in mind.
"In a time of universal deceit speaking the truth is a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell
#101. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
#102. To: Fred Mertz (#99)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#103. To: Ferret Mike (#98)
#104. To: Jethro Tull (#103)
#105. To: Fred Mertz (#99)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#106. To: Ferret Mike (#97)
Hi Mel my dear, my opinion still stands. If you use a noose in a photo shopping of a graphic saying it is intended to mean a call for bodily harm of all crooked politicians, then you include a spouse in this case to provide a quote to accent the intent, and this spouse is Michelle Obama, you are begging for serious trouble.
#107. To: Jethro Tull (#103)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#108. To: mel_living (#106)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
#110. To: mel_living (#109)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#111. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
Unlike you, I don't use people's family as clubs to beat them over the head with to make a political point.
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#112. To: X-15 (#111)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#113. To: Ferret Mike (#110)
#114. To: All (#113)
#115. To: Ferret Mike (#112)
#116. To: mel_living (#109)
"He was either banned for some forgotten reason,or asked to have his account closed. I don't remember which."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#117. To: Ferret Mike (#116)
#118. To: mel_living (#115)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#119. To: mel_living (#117)
"I really don't care."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#120. To: Ferret Mike (#118)
#121. To: mel_living (#120)
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"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#122. To: Ferret Mike (#116)
#123. To: Fred Mertz (#122)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#124. To: mel_living (#114)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#125. To: mel_living (#94)
#126. To: Rotara (#125)
#127. To: Ferret Mike (#124)
#128. To: mel_living (#126)
Have you been talking to Laz?
#129. To: Rotara (#128)
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