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Title: Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant If Elected
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URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? ... 87&sid=a2RHIj_6hvV0&refer=home
Published: Oct 16, 2008
Author: Jim Efstathiou Jr
Post Date: 2008-10-16 08:11:37 by Disgusted
Keywords: None
Views: 415
Comments: 25

Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant If Elected

By Jim Efstathiou Jr.

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama will classify carbon dioxide as a dangerous pollutant that can be regulated should he win the presidential election on Nov. 4, opening the way for new rules on greenhouse gas emissions.

The Democratic senator from Illinois will tell the Environmental Protection Agency that it may use the 1990 Clean Air Act to set emissions limits on power plants and manufacturers, his energy adviser, Jason Grumet, said in an interview. President George W. Bush declined to curb CO2 emissions under the law even after the Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the government may do so.

If elected, Obama would be the first president to group emissions blamed for global warming into a category of pollutants that includes lead and carbon monoxide. Obama's rival in the presidential race, Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona, has not said how he would treat CO2 under the act.

Obama ``would initiate those rulemakings,'' Grumet said in an Oct. 6 interview in Boston. ``He's not going to insert political judgments to interrupt the recommendations of the scientific efforts.''

Placing heat-trapping pollutants in the same category as ozone may lead to caps on power-plant emissions and force utilities to use the most expensive systems to curb pollution. The move may halt construction plans on as many as half of the 130 proposed new U.S. coal plants.

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#1. To: Disgusted (#0)

Oh no curbing emissions...limiting pollution...it's downright domestic terrorism.

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   8:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Disgusted (#0)

Regardless of which JIZ's puppet is selected, they're going to use this carbon tax bullshit as a hammer to pound the middle class down. It's got nothing to do with climate change, it's about theft & force.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2008-10-16   8:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: angle, Esso (#1)

Oh no curbing emissions...limiting pollution...it's downright domestic terrorism.

You seem to ignore the Al Gore, junk science nonsense behind this attack on business and the working class via a new level of taxation. Is your knee jerk response an attempt to argue, or can you offer proof to support this Obama initiative?

Disgusted  posted on  2008-10-16   9:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Disgusted (#0) (Edited)

Well I agree that most of what comes out of Obama's mouth is a dangerous pollutant, CO2 is not only not a dangerous pollutant it is absolutely necessary for plants and trees to live! The screwy green environmentalists are now endorsing the killing of more trees unknowingly!

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-16   9:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: angle (#1) (Edited)

Oh no curbing emissions...limiting pollution...it's downright domestic terrorism.

You could off yourself if you were really concerned about the "deadly" gas CO2. Or you can get educated and stop appearing to be a dumb blond.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-16   9:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Disgusted (#3)

this attack on business and the working class via a new level of taxation

Attack on businesses? I don't want to live like China. I agree that emissions from coal plants should be regulated. I f that's what you term an attack, too bad. We have the smarts and the technology to make these plants less polluting. Do it.

Working class taxation? This article says no such thing.

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   9:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Disgusted (#0)

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama will classify carbon dioxide as a dangerous pollutant that can be regulated should he win the presidential election on Nov. 4, opening the way for new rules on greenhouse gas emissions.

If it were a crime to be stupid, Obama would be looking at the death penalty. If brains were gasoline he wouldn't have enough to power a pissant's go-cart for a half a lap around a cheerio.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-16   9:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#7)

If it were a crime to be stupid, Obama would be looking at the death penalty. If brains were gasoline he wouldn't have enough to power a pissant's go-cart for a half a lap around a cheerio.

The guy lies very easily. He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about most of the time but that doesn't stop him. He doesn't care as long as the majority don't catch on to him, and the MSM sure isn't going to point out his cluelessness and lies since they want him to be their new puppet.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-10-16   9:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#0)

From the thread article. Click on the link for Full Text:

"Burning coal to generate electricity produces more than a third of energy- related carbon dioxide emissions and half the U.S. power supply, according to the Energy Department. Every hour, fossil-fuel combustion generates 3.5 million tons of emissions worldwide..."

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   9:33:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: RickyJ (#8)

The guy lies very easily. He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about most of the time but that doesn't stop him. He doesn't care as long as the majority don't catch on to him, and the MSM sure isn't going to point out his cluelessness and lies since they want him to be their new puppet.

Correct on all counts.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-16   9:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: angle (#6)

We have the smarts and the technology to make these plants less polluting. Do it.

They have been doing it for years and are continuing.

Working class taxation? This article says no such thing.

American Electric Power (AEP) has announced that due to the UN-mandated carbon taxes that they're going to have to raise rates 115%. I'm an AEP customer.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2008-10-16   9:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Esso (#11)

UN-mandated carbon taxes

UN Mandated. Ok, what about this article indicates taxes?

Certainly limiting emissions limits taxes. Then limit them.

Look at China. I don't want to live like that, do you?

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   9:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Disgusted (#0)

B*HO needs some remedial chemistry lessons.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2008-10-16   10:13:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: angle (#9)

And??

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-16   10:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: angle (#12)

Look at China. I don't want to live like that, do you?

Environmentalism -- it's a white thing.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-16   10:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tauzero (#14)

...I don't see anything wrong with looking at restricting harmful emissions.

angle  posted on  2008-10-16   10:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: angle (#16)

I don't either -- they're an externality. I disagree about the estimate of the harm. The air in the United States is not about to thicken into a Chinese miasma, even with 130 more coal plants.

...Both methods yielded similar results, which support the previous findings; that is, of all modern human samples, sub-Saharan Africans again exhibit the closest phenetic similarity to various African Plio-Pleistocene hominins...
Ancient teeth and modern human origins: An expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples, Journal of Human Evolution Volume 45, Issue 2, August 2003, Pages 113-144

Tauzero  posted on  2008-10-16   10:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Disgusted, *Agriculture-Environment*, *libertarians* (#0)

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freepatriot32  posted on  2008-10-16   11:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: ferret mike, *DEEK JACKSON* (#18)

ping a lingee

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freepatriot32  posted on  2008-10-17   2:41:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: ferret mike (#19)

where are you at your suppose to be on this thread defending your boy whats up with that holla at your boy

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freepatriot32  posted on  2008-10-17   2:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: freepatriot32 (#20) (Edited)

"where are you at your suppose to be on this thread defending your boy whats up with that holla at your boy"

That's odd, I perused the header, and see no mention of a boy. Only adults.

If you have a point, don't use the vernacular of Jim Crow to do it, you hear?

I don't take at all kindly to it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   5:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: angle (#16)

There isn't and an excess of Co2 is harmful and this proposal is quite appropriate.

My MAN Barack Obama know what he is talking about when it comes to air pollution and climate change, unlike the smirk and snarl show, or the cheap suit replacement team currently running unsuccessfully for the White House on the Repug side of the street.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-17   5:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Disgusted (#0)

The air in the U.S. is a lot cleaner than it was in the past. When's the last time any one complained about L.A. smog?

We need more technology, not less, to reduce pollution.

Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.

Turtle  posted on  2008-10-17   6:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#21) (Edited)

That's odd, I perused the header, and see no mention of a boy. Only adults.

If you have a point, don't use the vernacular of Jim Crow to do it, you hear?

I don't take at all kindly to it.

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freepatriot32  posted on  2008-10-22   21:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Disgusted (#0)

Next BHO will be wanting to study the contribution of dihydrogen monoxide/hydric acid/hydrogen hydroxide to acid rain. ;-)

www.dhmo.org/facts.html

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X-15  posted on  2008-10-22   22:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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