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Title: The Coming Attacks On America
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URL Source: http://judicial-inc.biz/Nuclear_attacks_on_america.htm
Published: Jul 21, 2005
Author: judicial-inc.
Post Date: 2005-07-21 08:49:35 by Grumble Jones
Keywords: Attacks, America, Coming
Views: 622
Comments: 209
What's It All About? This is about a world financial implosion, and the eventual creation of a one-world government along with a universal currency. The Zionists, who control the Federal Reserve, have used fiat credit to create an enormous inflation for the past 40 years. They used this wealth transfer to buy hard assets, especially monetary metals such as gold, as well as oil, knowing the coming financial crisis will demand a new currency, and that currency will be commodity-based. The only reason we are in Iraq is so Israel can control the world's oil, of which Iraq has massive reserves. Their final targets are Iran, and Venezuela, due to those nations also having massive oil reserves. The ensuing world depression will collapse prices, enabling those holding certain commodities to be in a position to buy everything for pennies. The best part for the Zionist elite, is that will all be blamed on the Muslims. Poster Comment: Go to the main page page of the article for a "must see."
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#144. To: Phaedrus (#142)
See...I gave you a compliment on your ability to spin. Besides,calling people who oppose Zionism as anti-Semites is name calling. What else is would it be? I just said that you were trying to be a 'pain in the ass.' Where did I call you a name?
I find it interesting that you are going out of your way to find something insulting in Grumble's posts. If you don't know the difference between Zionism, and Judaism, then apparently the problem you really have is ignorance. There's a difference between Jewish people, and Zionists. Jewish people are just like everyone else. They work, they have families, they take care of their communities, and are mostly hard working, upstanding citizens, just like everyone else. They believe in the American Dream, and do not work to bring that system down, or destroy the country that gave them the oppurtunities to succeed. Jewish people are fine so long as they don't want the United States to be their bitch, which is what Zionism is about, ie, mopping up the middle east with unjust wars, killing off all of Israel's enemies, while selling sensitive technologies to America's enemies. Which Israel has done, by selling the Aegis systems we gave to them, to China. But I digress. Zionism, or Zionists are people who don't give a shit about anyone, but Israel, and think the world owes them everything they want, desire, and need. Such as the billions of dollars in aid we funnel to Israel every year, or how we are mired in the Middle East, with no exit strategy. American soldiers are dying so that Israel can have its own oil pipelines, again, built at the expense of the American Taxpayer. So, now that you know the difference between Jews, and Zionists, you have no excuse to find what Grumble says offensive, seeing as how you went personal before Grumble actually got a chance to educate you. Of course now, I'm probably an anti-semite right???
You did not respond. You are attempting to change the subject.
#145. To: Phaedrus (#142)
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#146. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#145)
That was another brilliant post but he probably still won't 'get it.'
#147. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#145)
Phaedrus did the same thing to me on the Scalia thread. You can find this by searching my posts to him. It should come up right away as I haven't really posted to him since. As Phaedrus' arguments fall apart he gets hypersensitive. He begins to take everything as a personal attack. Eventually he puts the person on bozo and then cowardly insults the person from behind the bozo filter. It's his MO. You can see this on the thread I referenced at the beginning of this post.
I find it interesting that you are going out of your way to find something insulting in Grumble's posts.
#148. To: Phaedrus (#125)
Indeed, that is a very bad thing. Just as bad, in fact, as doing the exact same thing in reverse -- which is what you do. It's really a simple thing to understand. You can grasp it, can you not?
My quarrel is with those who would single out the Jews to blame for unrelated social or economic problems, or for their own deficiencies and insecurities.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#149. To: Phaedrus (#112)
First: Data is not "anti-semitic" Second: I confirmed the table in about 30 seconds. Provided you will accept the National Center for Education Statistics as an unbiased source. http://nces.ed.gov/timss/TIMSS03Tables.asp?figure=7&Quest= Third: I don't really care either way, but when I see a disparty between what can and cannot be said of a people collectively, it bothers me. I see elsewhere you asked for a definition of the term "Zionist" I don't know what it means and I won't pretend I do, but speaking for myself the Jews I hate are just like all the other people I hate. They're the ones constantly on the march with some new and stupid idea about what freedoms or degree of sovereignty we should voluntarily give up to makes everything all nice and fair or multicultural or whatever. I'm fucking sick of it. We've been doing this dance to the bottom for years and all they can do is suggest new ways to inconvenience society for the express benefit of a select (and usually deviant) few. "Hate Crimes" and "Hate Speech" would be good examples.
When I am shown data completely at odds with this (post #57) and undocumented as to source, I question it. This is appropriate since the site is clearly very anti-semitic.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#150. To: Phaedrus (#149)
PS: Now is it fair to pidgeon hole an entire people for the actions of a few? Of course not. However & likewise, when I note Jewish groups involved in this activity (ADL) I don't accept that mentioning this fact is "Anti-Semitic" either. I'm not a Jew, and if I won't willingly gloss over, say a Christian orginization's involvement in something decidedly stupid and detrimental to the way I believe things ought to be, then why in the world would I cut anyone else a break? Regards.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#151. To: Jhoffa_, Phaedrus (#150)
Nor have we. As a Baptist, I have joined in with the well-deserved beating we have given the rapture monkeys. They've all lost their collective minds. On this forum we take swings at many groups we are not allowed to on other forums. Most of us discern the difference between the Bush Family and other WASPS as well as the difference between fantatical Zionists and ordinary Jewish American citizens.
I'm not a Jew, and if I won't willingly gloss over, say a Christian orginization's involvement in something decidedly stupid and detrimental to the way I believe things ought to be, then why in the world would I cut anyone else a break?
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#152. To: crack monkey (#137)
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously? Especially your opinions. The town drunk has more credibility.
#153. To: willyone (#152)
You know, there's a whole Internet out there for your mommy to read to you. I don't think you'll be widely mourned or anything..
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#154. To: willyone (#152)
What brings you out from under the bridge this morning?
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously?
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#155. To: willyone (#152)
You should be able to answer that yourself. Why do you take the opinions expressed on this site seriously enough to log on and make a childish attempt to insult and disrupt? You do realize that your silly insult looks rather crude and poorly done. Glad to see that we got under your skin though. Be sure to come back and let us know when our jabs hit home. It's nice to know that we are effective - even if it's only against lame sounding goobers like you.
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously? Especially your opinions. The town drunk has more credibility.
#156. To: willyone (#152)
Oh, by the way. Glad to see that you agree with my take on Phaedrus, e.g., that he's a silly coward that hides behind the bozo when he can't defend his position. Judging from the childish insult that you tossed out as a response to my post, I gather that you examined the link and figured there was no rational come back. In short, what you are saying is that you agree with me, but it sticks in your craw. I think that's hilarious.
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously? Especially your opinions. The town drunk has more credibility.
#157. To: willyone (#152)
By the way, why are you being such a moronic dick? Don't you know that's ineffective? Eventually you'll just be banned and you'll then become a joke over here. If you had any brains you would have hung back and been a borderline case that was hard to get rid of. Jumping up and down and screaming that you're a troll is just dumb.
#158. To: christine (#143)
And so on. This not at all clear, Christine, and we encounter a new term, "The People of Israel". As I have done above with reference to Jews as a group, in your own brief words, please explain the essential distinctions between Jews as a group and Zionists, along with why the Jews are laudable people and the Zionists are evil. I don't think this is too much to ask if the thinking behind the verbal distinction is adequate. I note that the website you link is pro- Palenstinian and I think suicide bombing is heinous by any sane standard, particularly when children are used for this activity. More generally, link- chasing can be a way of attempting to divert the opponent in a debate and bury him/her in material. I don't think that is your intent, which is why I have responded in this fashion. I don't debate that way. I make my points in my own words and if there's some need to back up a particular point, I will cite a reference or link a website but the focus is very narrow.
What is Zionism ? -Zionism is a new thing. -It has only existed for a century. -Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character. - a materialistic worldly nation.
#159. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#145)
Well, this is debatable. I'm hearing three things. One is essentially that Israel has no right to protect itself and act as a sovereign state. Two is that we have no right to support them. I think we should. Three is that those who hate Jews can hide behind the label, "Zionist". Does that about sum it up?
Zionism, or Zionists are people who don't give a shit about anyone, but Israel, and think the world owes them everything they want, desire, and need. Such as the billions of dollars in aid we funnel to Israel every year, or how we are mired in the Middle East, with no exit strategy. American soldiers are dying so that Israel can have its own oil pipelines, again, built at the expense of the American Taxpayer.
#160. To: Phaedrus (#158)
Pro palestinian??? You're calling the Neturei Karta jews pro palestinian? Interesting. I don't get that impression at all.
I note that the website you link is pro- Palenstinian
#161. To: Jhoffa_ (#149)
http://nces.ed.gov/timss/TIMSS03Tables.asp?figure=7&Quest= I accept your source. Table 7 shows math performance in the 8th grade and Israel is at the middle of the pack. Here's my citation again: The following is from The Bell Curve, Herrnstein and Murray, Copyright 1994, at page 275: "Jews - specifically Ashkenazi Jews of European origins - test higher than any other ethnic group. A fair estimate seems to be that Jews in America and Britain have an overall IQ mean somewhere between a half and a full standard deviation above the mean, with the source of the difference concentrated in the verbal component." Does your citation overcome mine? No, it does not.
Provided you will accept the National Center for Education Statistics as an unbiased source.
#162. To: Jhoffa_ (#150)
You probably won't like this but I think we agree as much as we disagree. I am not Jewish but am pro-Jew based upon their achievements and contributions. Are they all saints? No. Are there those in the world who hate Jews for no good reason? Yes. Fair and balanced is all I'm looking for.
#163. To: willyone (#152)
You are completely conditioned by neocon propaganda. You were probably a Conservative at some point, but then the Communist neocons took over the party and made real Conservatism illegal, calling such kooks and anti Americans. Yet you support neocons- you probably have adopted all of their positions. Whether you break this conditioning is up to you. I recommend reading sites that you loathe but don't have a specific reason for loathing. You can get your principles back.
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously?
#164. To: christine (#160)
It's your link, Christine. Go to the website and find it. This is irritating. Do your homework.
You're calling the Neturei Karta jews pro palestinian? Interesting.
#165. To: Phaedrus (#162)
I suppose I tend to lean their way (Toward the people themselves, not necessarily their leadership or foreign policy.) for 2 reasons. 1) Like SK and Taiwan, they're surrounded by forces that would like to instantly eradicate them. 2) The religious context, the Jewish people and Abraham.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#166. To: Phaedrus (#162)
People don't hate for no reason. It's illogical. You simply disagree with the reasons, labelling them as nothing. You have been absorbed by the neocon collective. You are completely blind to the damage Jews are doing to this country thru their lobby and special interest groups. With the overwhelming support of US Jews. You do not tolerate any criticism of Jews. This indicates you are not looking at the situation rationally.
Are there those in the world who hate Jews for no good reason?
#167. To: Bayonne (#163)
My theory is that the conservative transformation began when conservatives began wearing bow ties. William Buckley (a bow tie wearer), befriended Ira Glasser of the ACLU. This was followed by Irving Kristol (a Trotskyite), George Will (his parents were worker ants for Norman Thomas) and lately Tucker Carlson (a steam bath queer for sure). I'm sure there are more, but the pattern is obvious; bow ties = neocons = pipe smokers.
#168. To: Jethro Tull (#167)
That's just odd.. Bow ties suck. No one I know would wear one at gunpoint. Personally, I'd summer in Gitmo before wearing one to the convenience store. Wonder if it's intentional? Like a secret handshake or something..
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#169. To: Jhoffa_ (#168)
What's next? An ascot? Yes, I'd summer in Gitmo before wearing one of those goofy things.
#170. To: Phaedrus (#164)
you're irritating, Phaedrus, arrogant, closedminded, and bossy too. i've done my "homework" on this issue. you're the one who hasn't. why don't you try heeding your own order.
Do your homework.
#171. To: Bayonne (#166)
Yes, they do. Hate is anything but rational.
People don't hate for no reason.
#172. To: Phaedrus (#171)
Some people hate for wrong or false reasons, but they still have their reasons. As for the value of hate, it is a perfectly legitimate and useful emotion under the right circumstances.
Yes, they do. Hate is anything but rational.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#173. To: christine, crack monkey, Jhoffa (#160)
You have to understand the conditioning. Everything is a dichotomy. It's no coincidence that Bush believes that people are either with him or against him and told the population so. It is a tactic. This is the way the Rep Party operates as well. My take on it is that the neocons had a major task on their hands when Bush became President. They had the dupe in place, by the constituents were a different story. They needed to change most of the positions of those who were Conservative- change them to neocon- Socialist at home, pro Israel as a #1 priority, and Empire abroad. So, the RNC, neocon thinktanks, their media, the President portrayed Conservatism as simply choosing good and fighting evil. They defined good and evil. This is a dichotomy and a false choice. Reps gladly sacrificed their principles to choose to neocon defined good on all issues. Patriotism was also heavily used. The neos defined Patriotism, and anti-American. There is that dichotomy again. By making Reps choose a or b, a false choice, they were able to drum out the Conservative ideology and replace it with the neocon ideology. They also won the election using dichotomy. Only 2 choices, Rep(good) and Lib(evil), and by defintition, libs are always worse than Conservatives, so there is only 1 choice- Rep. These dupes were so conditioned that holding the Rep Party responsible for not acting like traditional Reps never even crossed their mind. That was the beauty of it for Rep strategists and the Rep pols they represent. These dichotomies, reinforced with pos and neg emotions, limited the ability of Rep followers to think objectively and even rationally. This tactic has been a mainstay for Lush, Hannity and all of the 'pop' conservatives in the media. Republicans good, libs evil. They also narrowed the scope of all content on their shows so as to exclude anything paleoconservative or Libertarian. They promoted collectivism over individuality. Reps love god, Dems hate God. Reps love America, dems hate America. Reps are building the nation, Dems are tearing it down. Reps are moral, Dems are immoral. Reps are pro war, Dems are antiwar, Reps support Israel, Dems support Palestinians. Reps support the commander in chief, Dems support the terrorists. This also applies to paleoconservatives and Libertarian, but the neocons simply labelled those ideologies as that of K0oks, fringe extremists. This smear made sure that no issues were debated so as not to remind the neocon converts that they were not Conservatives anymore. The use of emotion was a key in the conditioning. During the Clinton years, especially during the impeachment period. neocons realized that making people hate Dems and love Reps... was a great way to control them. Principles could then be abandoned while maintaining control. If you listen to any amout of Lush or Hannity or Ingraham, you will find that they not only present dichotomies, but they use rhetoric that makes Reps hate the 'liberals' because they associate them with the evil half of the dichotomy. The talking heads present the threat aspect. "The evil libs are a direct threat to you." Later in the show, they will talk about Bush in glowing terms- 100% good, perfection in a man. They'll have icons call in like Gingrich, the pseudocon, to assuage those that used to be cons. Newt has all the right answers. 'Thank God for people like Newt." This relieves the tension from the hate fest that was just employed against those who oppose neocons and gives people a sense of relief. They then hear about how perfect the Rep Party is and feel secure. They see the Reps as saviours. They see them as the good part of the dichotomy. They become subconsciously subservient to the Neocon Party. So, when you see a poster like Phaedrus, he is conditioned on a deep level. He believes that jews are good, arabs are bad. Further, like the RNC dictates, he has to choose one or the other because it is a dichotomy and that is the only choice. This is false, and is used purely to CONTROL. It shuts down thinking on the issue, just like the emotion of hate shuts down thinking. There is no analysis of the Pali plight or Israel's evils. Israel good, Palis bad. 4um posters are either with the Jews, or against the Jews. If against the Jews, you are 100% pro Palestinian. He cannot even understand that a rational person sees both sides of the conflict and praises and criticizes both parties to the conflict. These are my ideas on BOT conditioning. By using dichotomies, principles do not exist. Things are black and white, a or b. And choosing b is punished psychologically by the Rep PTB, but I'll save that theory for a different post.
You're calling the Neturei Karta jews pro palestinian? Interesting.
#174. To: christine (#170)
From your link, JUDAISM VERSUS ZIONISM, IN SUPPORT OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. Apology accepted. You have not done your homework on this issue.
you're irritating, Phaedrus, arrogant, closedminded, and bossy too. i've done my "homework" on this issue. you're the one who hasn't. why don't you try heeding your own order.
#175. To: Phaedrus (#171)
Are you saying God is irrational?
Yes, they do. Hate is anything but rational.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#176. To: Zipporah (#175)
Are you attempting to put words in my mouth? I am saying hate is irrational. It's a twisted emotion based on fear.
Are you saying God is irrational?
#177. To: Phaedrus (#174)
How is this statement PRO Palestinian (which apparently you equate with being antiIsraeli or anti Jewish) and how can they be IF they are Jews? You're being illogical. "We seek the return of all Palestinian refugees to their rightful land. We seek to live in the land of Palestine as anti Zionist Jews. To reside as loyal and peaceful Palestinian citizens, in peace and harmony with our Muslim Brethren. Just as our ancestors lived in Palestine for centuries before the usurpations of this tragic century."
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#178. To: Jethro Tull (#167)
See my last post for my theory on the transformation of millions of conservs to necon slaves.
#179. To: Phaedrus (#176)
No.. I am not but what I am doing it taking your statement to the logical conclusion. You said hate is not based on logic and now on emotion based fear. Is God illogical and emotional?
Are you attempting to put words in my mouth? I am saying hate is irrational. It's a twisted emotion based on fear.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#180. To: Phaedrus (#171)
There are people who hate Jews for valid reasons.
#181. To: All (#180)
I should clarify- I mean the Jewish power structure. Not individual Jews. Neocons, ADL, Israeli govt, etc.
#182. To: Bayonne (#180)
Hate is a twisted emotion based on fear, it will burn you up and it is never justified. I flat don't agree with your statement.
There are people who hate Jews for valid reasons.
#183. To: Zipporah (#177)
I'm not particularly interested in discussing Palestine beyond my earlier comments. In my brief, overview opinion, it's a bogus anti-Isreal issue. If you want to start another thread, I'll have a look but I may or may not participate.
#184. To: Zipporah (#179)
Stay with my words. Your conclusions may or may not be valid.
I am not but what I am doing it taking your statement to the logical conclusion.
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