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Title: The Coming Attacks On America
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URL Source: http://judicial-inc.biz/Nuclear_attacks_on_america.htm
Published: Jul 21, 2005
Author: judicial-inc.
Post Date: 2005-07-21 08:49:35 by Grumble Jones
Keywords: Attacks, America, Coming
Views: 281
Comments: 209
What's It All About? This is about a world financial implosion, and the eventual creation of a one-world government along with a universal currency. The Zionists, who control the Federal Reserve, have used fiat credit to create an enormous inflation for the past 40 years. They used this wealth transfer to buy hard assets, especially monetary metals such as gold, as well as oil, knowing the coming financial crisis will demand a new currency, and that currency will be commodity-based. The only reason we are in Iraq is so Israel can control the world's oil, of which Iraq has massive reserves. Their final targets are Iran, and Venezuela, due to those nations also having massive oil reserves. The ensuing world depression will collapse prices, enabling those holding certain commodities to be in a position to buy everything for pennies. The best part for the Zionist elite, is that will all be blamed on the Muslims. Poster Comment: Go to the main page page of the article for a "must see."
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#1. To: Grumble Jones (#0)
WAR ON TERROR Does al-Qaida have 20 suitcase nukes? Author claims bin Laden purchased them in '98 from ex-KGB agents for $30 million -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: October 2, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2002 http://WorldNetDaily.com Editor's note: The following story was posted on Oct. 2. For an update, see 'Bush, Blair warned of bin Laden nukes' A new book by an FBI consultant on international terrorism says Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network purchased 20 suitcase nuclear weapons from former KGB agents in 1998 for $30 million. The book,"Al Qaeda: Brotherhood of Terror," by Paul L. Williams, also says this deal was one of at least three in the last decade in which al-Qaida purchased small nuclear weapons or weapons-grade nuclear uranium. Williams says bin Laden's search for nuclear weapons began in 1988 when he hired a team of five nuclear scientists from Turkmenistan. These were former employees at the atomic reactor in Iraq before it was destroyed by Israel, Williams says. The team's project was the development of a nuclear reactor that could be used "to transform a very small amount of material that could be placed in a package smaller than a backpack." "By 1990 bin Laden had hired hundreds of atomic scientists from the former Soviet Union for $2,000 a month – an amount far greater that their wages in the former Soviet republics," Williams writes. "They worked in a highly sophisticated and well-fortified laboratory in Kandahar, Afghanistan." This work continued throughout the 1990s, the author says. In 1993, according to the book, Jamal Ahmed al-Fadl, a bin Laden agent who turned into a Central Intelligence Agency source, purchased for al-Qaida a cylinder of weapons-grade uranium from a former Sudanese government minister who represented businessmen from South Africa. The purchase price was $1.5 million and the uranium was tested in Cyprus and transported to Afghanistan. Al-Fadl reported that, at the time of this transfer, al-Qaida was already working on a deal for suitcase nukes developed for the KGB. Williams says the Russian Mafia made another mysterious deal with "Afghani Arabs" in search of nuclear weapons in 1996. The Russians who sold the material now live in New York. Then again in 1998, Mamdouh Mahmud Salim was arrested in Munich and charged with acting as an al-Qaida agent to purchase highly enriched uranium from a German laboratory. That same year, according to Williams, bin Laden succeeded in buying the 20 suitcase nukes from Chechen Mafia figures, including former KGB agents. The $30 million deal was partly cash and partly heroin with a street value of $700 million. "After the devices were obtained, they were placed in the hands of Arab nuclear scientists who, federal sources say, 'were probably trained at American universities,'" says Williams. Though the devices were designed only to be operated by Soviet SPETZNAZ personnel, or special forces, al-Qaida scientists came up with a way of hot- wiring the bombs to the bodies of would-be martyrs, according to the book. Suitcase nukes are not really suitcases at all, but suitcase-size nuclear devices. The weapons can be fired from grenade or rocket launchers or detonated by timers. A bomb placed in the center of a metropolitan area would be capable of instantly killing hundreds of thousands and exposing millions of others to lethal radiation. Yossef Bodansky, author of "Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America" and the U.S. Congress' top terrorism expert, concurs that bin Laden has already succeeded in purchasing suitcase nukes. Former Russian security chief Alexander Lebed also testified to Congress that 40 nuclear suitcases disappeared from the Russian arsenal after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Williams quotes an anonymous federal official as saying: "The question isn't whether bin Laden has nuclear weapons, it's when he will try to use them." In addition to the suitcase nukes, Williams reports that al-Qaida has also obtained chemical weapons from North Korea and Iraq. Williams says the FBI confirmed to him that Saddam Hussein provided bin Laden with a "gift" of anthrax spores. Williams says al-Qaida also includes in its arsenal plague viruses, including ebola and salmonella, from the former Soviet Union and Iraq, samples of botulism biotoxin from the Czech Republic, and sarin from Iraq and North Korea. The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Oh, nonsense. Just more anti-semitic crap.
I hope you're right.
I wonder why the capture of this sophiticated lab has not been trumpeted by the MSM as proof of al-Qaida plans to use WMDs? Simple, the lab does not exist and never has.
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
On another issue Our new Supreme Ct Nominee: His wife is big in satellite systems; her company is targeting Iraq
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
Just once I would like to read about a govt nominee who is not connected five different ways to this regime.
You'll never do that. This is not big government it's BIG BROTHER.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
I hope you're right. Phaedrus can't help it. His entire life has been based on his parasitic existence within the establishment financial apparatus. This is what the Russians commonly refer to as an apparatchik. And, though he may not have been a direct employee of the government or a political party, per se, he is still a functionary of the public banking system. He is also what can be referred to as a "bonehead" since, though highly educated, is unable to function or think in any capacity outside of the very paradigm he has been indoctrinated in. This leads to shilling in defense of that paradigm. It is a sad sickness, otherwise known as robotoid botitis.
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
PING!
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
PING!
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
Can't forget you guys. PING!
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
I am always pleased and honored when the "right people" have a negative opinion of me. Thank you.
No problem. You only
get what you deserve. I hope I can dish out a little more dissing for you
later. EAT MY SHORTS!
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
LOL. You're lack of class speaks for itself. You are indeed a leader of mankind.
"Your" lack of class, Phaedrus. Have a nice day, All.
Hey, wasn't Nick Berg's dad into Satellite Systems???
#2. To: Grumble Jones (#0)
The Zionists, who control the Federal Reserve, have used fiat credit to create an enormous inflation for the past 40 years.
#3. To: Phaedrus (#2)
Oh, nonsense. Just more anti-semitic crap.
#4. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#1)
Paul Williams is a buffoon. He claimed al-Qaida had plans for a nuclear bomb. Turned out the "plans" were from a spoof site called The Journal of Irreproducble Results. Those "plans" included making part of the bomb from PlayDoh.
#5. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#1)
"They worked in a highly sophisticated and well-fortified laboratory in Kandahar, Afghanistan."
#6. To: BTP Holdings (#5)
#7. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#6)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#8. To: robin (#7)
#9. To: Grumble Jones, Phaedrus, christine, 1776, Eoghan, Bayonne, Itisa1mosttoolate, robin, noone222, Brian S, justlurking, Zipporah, Jhoffa_, Jethro Tull (#3)
Oh, nonsense. Just more anti-semitic crap.
#10. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, lodwick, Yertle Turtle, Red Jones, wakeup, CAPPSMADNESS (#9)
#11. To: Dakmar, Flintlock, TommyTheMadArtist, Arete (#9)
#12. To: Esso, crack monkey (#9)
#13. To: BTP Holdings (#9)
Phaedrus can't help it. His entire life has been based on his parasitic existence within the establishment financial apparatus. This is what the Russians commonly refer to as an apparatchik.
#14. To: Phaedrus (#13)
I am always pleased and honored when the "right people" have a
negative opinion of me. Thank you.
#15. To: BTP Holdings (#14)
EAT MY SHORTS!
#16. To: Phaedrus, All (#15)
#17. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#6)
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#18. To: Phaedrus (#2)
The US taxpayers give to the federal reserve one billion dollars each and every day. This is 3.5% of our entire gdp. Virtually all of this money we give them ends up as profit because they have virtually no expenses by comparison that they must incur to earn this money. The billion dollars a day we give them direct from the US taxpayers compares to a billion and a half dollars a day the taxpayers actually spend on social security recipients today. The reason we give the federal reserve this money is because the federal reserve is charged with creating new money. THis is a money-creation service fee.
#19. To: Phaedrus (#16)
Has someone left the room? (g)
#20. To: Red Jones (#18)
The money is borrowed by the FedGov and we have the pleasure of being obligated to repay it, which is your reference to taxes I think. Beyond that, we may or may not agree but either way we're going in the wrong direction.
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
I'm WAY too old to tolerate a whole lot of nonsense and when we start to blame the Jews for home-grown problems, I've got issues and I won't stand silently by. The Jews have been important to this country's prosperity.
#22. To: Phaedrus (#21)
"The Jews?" You are embracing the same collectivist error as those who blame "The Jews."
The Jews have been important to this country's prosperity.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#23. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#22)
Oh boy, " collectivist error" -- OK, educate me but I hope your explanation goes beyond semantics. I'm sure others understand me.
"The Jews?" You are embracing the same collectivist error as those who blame "The Jews."
#24. To: Phaedrus (#23)
Individual persons who happen to be jewish have done good things, just like individual persons who happen to be jewish have done bad things. But you, like the anti-semite, lumps all jews together like they are some big homogenous lump so that they all get credit for the good, or bad, that was effected by individuals. The exception, of course, would be if you can show that the organized jewish religion specifically guides its members to do a good or bad thing as a collective endeavor independent of other groups or cultural influences.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#25. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Phaedrus (#22)
Don't waste much time on Phaedrus. He is a condescending and arrogant bot from El Pee who slipped in here with the people invited in from TBFs group. He will not listen to you. Hell, he will not listen to me, and I'm his hero and role model. ;^)
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
#26. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#22)
The Jews are a religious and/or ethnic group. No need to guess, they'll tell you who they are. On average, their IQ tests some 15 points above the norm -- they are very bright. Their contributions to society and/or achievements as measured by Nobel Prizes, or any other substantive measure you would care to mention, is out of proporiton, higher, than that of other groups. That is the "collective" I am referring to.
#27. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#24)
I think I've responded to this above.
#28. To: BTP Holdings (#25)
LOL. Indeed you are.
I'm his hero and role model. ;^)
#29. To: Phaedrus (#26)
You confirm my point. You make the same mistake that anti-semites make. You lump them all together and give them blanket credit for the achievements of individuals. The anti-semite does the same but condemns them all based upon the crimes of individuals.
The Jews are a religious and/or ethnic group. No need to guess, they'll tell you who they are. On average, their IQ tests some 15 points above the norm -- they are very bright. Their contributions to society and/or achievements as measured by Nobel Prizes, or any other substantive measure you would care to mention, is out of proporiton, higher, than that of other groups. That is the "collective" I am referring to.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#30. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#29)
Look, Nuke, there ARE groups and there ARE averages and we CAN talk sensibly about them. That's what I'm doing. You are splitting hairs. I'm more interested in truth.
You confirm my point. You make the same mistake that anti-semites make. You lump them all together and give them blanket credit for the achievements of individuals. The anti-semite does the same but condemns them all based upon the crimes of individuals.
#31. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#29)
Come on, Nuke, this thread starts out by blaming the "Zionists". Go argue with those who have used that term.
#32. To: Phaedrus (#31)
You'll note that my position is that you and they are equally guilty of the collectivist mentality.
Come on, Nuke, this thread starts out by blaming the "Zionists". Go argue with those who have used that term.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#33. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Phaedrus (#32)
You'll note that my position is that you and they are equally guilty of the collectivist mentality. You are correct, NB. And phaedrus does fail to see that not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews. That is a part of the bot mentality.
Come on, Nuke, this thread starts out by blaming the "Zionists". Go argue with those who have used that term.
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
#34. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#32)
Whatever ...
You'll note that my position is that you and they are equally guilty of the collectivist mentality.
#35. To: BTP Holdings (#33)
More hair splitting ... my comments stand.
And phaedrus does fail to see that not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.
#36. To: BTP Holdings, Nuke Buzzcut (#33)
You two are interested in semantics, not substance. You should be posting exclusively to each other because, frankly, I'm not interested in splitting hairs.
#37. To: Phaedrus (#35)
If a jew wins a nobel prize next year, should I pat my co-worker's wife (who happens to be jewish) on the back and tell her good work?
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#38. To: Phaedrus (#36)
Words mean things.
You two are interested in semantics, not substance.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#39. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#37)
Do you expect to win this debate with silly questions?
If a jew wins a nobel prize next year, should I pat my co-worker's wife (who happens to be jewish) on the back and tell her good work?
#40. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#38)
Well, I certainly agree with that but making fine distinctions can be a game.
Words mean things.
#41. To: Phaedrus (#39)
Just helping you to understand that the silliness is inherent in your own words.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#42. To: Phaedrus (#40)
Collectivism based upon race is neither a fine distinction, nor a game.
Well, I certainly agree with that but making fine distinctions can be a game.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#43. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#41)
Once again, whatever ...
Just helping you to understand that the silliness is inherent in your own words.
#44. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#42)
Who said anything about race?
Collectivism based upon race is neither a fine distinction, nor a game.
#45. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#42)
Are you confused, Mr. Nuke?
Collectivism based upon race is neither a fine distinction, nor a game.
#46. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#42)
Are we having fun yet?
#47. To: Phaedrus (#46)
I notice you failed to answer the question about my co-worker's wife.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#48. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#47)
Ask your silly question of someone who wishes to play your silly games.
I notice you failed to answer the question about my co-worker's wife.
#49. To: Phaedrus (#48)
But it's not silly. It's just uncomfortable for you because it exposes the fallacy of your position.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#50. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#49)
Oh but it is.
But it's not silly.
#51. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#49)
Nuke, if you want to debate me, you must stay relevant. Right now, you're not there. You have shown you can type but that is all.
#52. To: Phaedrus (#20)
The money that they 'lend' to the federal government is created by the act of lending it. It is not as though they actually had the money to lend. They did not even have 1% of the money at the time when they lent it. they created the money from thin air when they lent it. Therefore, the money they get paid for this service is a money creation service fee. We should do what we did when the nation was young. We should create this money as a government and simply use the money to cover government expenses. This is how it was done in the early days of America. This is how we should do it again. This is what Abraham Lincoln and John Kennedy both started to do before they were murdered. The money creation system we've had since 1913 has been a disaster. It has meant massive increase in money supply way beyond what we need. The government system of doing the money creation was much better, it worked for us. This new system only causes financial disaster. Constant debt. And huge enrichment of a very few rich spoiled people who did nothing to earn this money. And it is true that the large majority of the individuals who own the federal reserve are jews. and it is true that about half of them are foreigners. Bush and bush-bots talk negatively about france. But they send huge amounts of taxpayers' dollars to individuals in france, germany & england just for this money creation fee I'm talking about. Every day hundreds of millions of dollars goes from the taxpayer to european individuals for this. When the federal reserve was founded it was founded with an investment of 4.5 million dollars. It is not as though they had money when they lent it. The money was created by the act of lending it. The king of england took less than 1% of our entire economy from us each year in the form of taxes. The federal reserve takes 3.5%, and a large portion of that goes to Europe.
#53. To: Phaedrus (#51)
I don't want to debate a person who uses language as sloppily as you do and when shown his error just sloughs it off as irrelevant semantics or fine distinctions.
Nuke, if you want to debate me, you must stay relevant.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#54. To: Grumble Jones (#3)
If they had a nuclear weapon Wash. D.C. would have been destroyed a long time ago. All the top Federal Govt. is located there.
#55. To: Phaedrus (#21)
And least we forget Ethel and Julius Rosenberg.
The Jews have been important to this country's prosperity.
#56. To: Jethro Tull (#55)
Don't forget the poor, downtrodden "prisoner of Zion" Jonathan Pollard.
#57. To: Phaedrus, Jethro Tull (#26)
[Did you really mean cunning?] As for Nobel Prizes, largely consists of Jews awarding prizes to other Jews...
On average, their IQ tests some 15 points above the norm -- they are very bright.
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#58. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#32)
So, we have learned the Jews are a monolithic bloc when one is saying good things about them.. However, individual bad acts are aberrations and must not be attributed to the people as a whole? That’s pretty much it, isn’t it?
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#59. To: Jethro Tull, Phaedrus (#55)
Tull: And least we forget Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. Not to mention AIPAC, ADL, JDL...That's exactly what this country needed, international spies, domestic snitches, and terrorist bombers. Does mentioning any of this make me an anti-semite? Why does that rule only apply to Jews, why is it I can make a remark about blacks, italians, arabs, Canadians, basically anyone and usually no one cares, but almost everywhere on the web (except here of course, thank you chris and Zipp) there is like a SWAT team ready at all times anytime Jewish power is threatened. That is prima fascia evidence of some sort of ethnic/religious lobby, especially when like ten different posters have same obscure minutiae. Notice how any negative publicity of any Jew is without fail countered by "the jooooooooooos" in an attempt to make the messenger look ignorant. What, can't like for or five Jews get together and do something without clearing it with the rest of the tribe? That's another sign of collectivism, borg style.
Phaedrus: The Jews have been important to this country's prosperity.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#60. To: Jhoffa_ (#58)
By Jove I think you've got it! We might be able to claim the Nobel Prize for Physics next year if we get cracking on proving your postulate.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#61. To: Dakmar (#60)
Mel Gibson is an anti-semite.. Along with about 150,000 Sunday School teachers. Why is Pollard in Jail?
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#62. To: Jhoffa_ (#61)
He had ideas some people didn't like.
Why is Pollard in Jail?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#63. To: Esso (#56)
Continuing with the cavalcade of helpful Jews, I give you the much maligned prisoner of Zion!
#64. To: Jethro Tull, Esso (#63)
We should sneek in with Pat Robertson and pull an impromptu Free Vanunu rally.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#65. To: Dakmar (#60)
#59 was expectionally good, btw.. Perfect, in fact. I was thinking of the ADL and APIAC. The ADL's rampant hypocrisy stinks. If there's one thing you can attribute to "the Jews" it's complete inconsistancy with regard to what's acceptable in their own backyard and what's considered ideal for everyone else.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#66. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#53)
Oh nonsense. You're the sloppy one. In any event, our "debate" is over.
I don't want to debate a person who uses language as sloppily as you do ...
#67. To: Dakmar (#62)
He's responsible for the "New" Coke, isn't he?
He had ideas some people didn't like.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#68. To: Dakmar (#64)
LMAO!! If it makes Phaedrus feel any better, I despise Robertson and his phony clique of bible thumpers as much as anyone else I mention.
#69. To: Jhoffa_ (#67)
When I was real little I remember Coke came out with that Teach the World to Sing commercial, I thought the hippies had taken over the entire planet.
He's responsible for the "New" Coke, isn't he?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#63)
You think Pollard was reading any Harry Potter books for inspiration? With a few more ADL/AIPAC prison cell members, new Holocaust novels could give JK Rowlings a run for her money...
I give you the much maligned prisoner of Zion!
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#71. To: Dakmar (#69)
Aw, geez.. don't make me flash on that.. You dickhead.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#72. To: Jhoffa_ (#71)
You really should get high-speed internet so you can listen to motorhead.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#73. To: Eoghan (#57)
Nonsense. And here's the source for your less-than-reliable chart, http://christianparty.net/israel.h tm, from which the following: "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail" Rabbi Yaacov Perrin (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6). As they are clearly Jew-haters, what gives anything they publish credibility? Hate is a disgusting but apparently free-floating commodity.
As for Nobel Prizes, largely consists of Jews awarding prizes to other Jews...
#74. To: Dakmar (#72)
I would.. I tell you, every fiber of by being is screaming DSL. But I post from all over the place, and dialup is handy for that.. Home, work, my parents, etc.. When I had the laptop, it was even crazier. This way, one access number and that's it.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#75. To: Eoghan (#70)
He looks like a cross between a wookie and a troll. No inbreeding going on in that family that I notice (hehehehehehhehe)
#76. To: Phaedrus (#73)
Absolutely, but don't forget that those who try to stifle speech are aslmost invariably those with something to hide, ok?
Hate is a disgusting but apparently free-floating commodity.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#77. To: Phaedrus (#73)
Hate is the appropriate emotion when ones nation is hijacked by fascism (neoconservativism). Unfortunately, it isn't conjured up often enough for my taste.
Hate is a disgusting but apparently free-floating commodity.
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
I'm not necessarily pro-Jew, I'm anti-hate and anti-prejudice. Small people have a bad habit of blaming other people or groups for their problems or social problems in general because they are fearful or envious or simply because that they believe they can get away with it. It only makes whatever problems there are worse.
If it makes Phaedrus feel any better ...
#79. To: Phaedrus (#73)
I like the Jews.. I've had good business dealings with them, in fact. Tell you the truth, I had a Jewish man forgive $2000.00 dollars in his own fees, because he felt it was morally incorrect to bill me for them under the circumstances. Incidentally, he had every right to do so, he earned the money, fair and sqaure. I contracted for it and was expecting the full bill, just as we had agreed upon. Should I attribute this man's grace to all Jews? Likewise, should I attribute the complete and total nonsense of the ADL to Jewish people everywhere? I think that's the point Buzzcut was trying to make when you cut him off. I'm German, BTW. Got a German name.. I look the part. Didn't matter to the man I mentioned above one iota. He judged me as an individual, as opposed to a member of some ethnic bloc and all the ridiculous stereotypes that accompany that.
Hate is a disgusting but apparently free-floating commodity.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#80. To: Dakmar (#69)
I thought we had. Wish I had kept some of that old anti-war paraphernalia. Our govt is like clockwork in giving us reasons to recycle it. Have you noticed ANSWER and the entire anti-war crowd are completely AWOL. When I was real little I remember Coke came out with that Teach the World to Sing commercial, I thought the hippies had taken over the entire planet.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#81. To: robin, Flintlock (#80)
The rich-ass white congressmen got too much to lose, they lettin the colored reps take on DarthDubya
Have you noticed ANSWER and the entire anti-war crowd are completely AWOL.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#82. To: Dakmar (#76)
Speech is certainly not stifled here. Fools and bigots can and do say anything they want. But those of us who have some balance and maturity don't have to stand silent and tolerate the nonsense.
...don't forget that those who try to stifle speech are almost invariably those with something to hide, ok?
#83. To: robin (#80)
"To control the opposition is to lead it." -VI Lenin.
Have you noticed ANSWER and the entire anti-war crowd are completely AWOL.
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#84. To: Phaedrus (#82)
Nonsense. If I say "rothschild" is that nonsense? I need to know, baby!
But those of us who have some balance and maturity don't have to stand silent and tolerate the nonsense.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#85. To: Phaedrus (#78)
Here's where we part company. Some people, places and things deserve our hatred. As I said, it's an appropriate emotion in certain situations.
I'm anti-hate and anti-prejudice
#86. To: Jhoffa_ (#79)
I didn't, I can't, cut anyone off. Buzzcut would not acknowledge the adequacy of speaking of Jews as a group and their average IQ. That's plain common sense, and supportable, and it's HIS problem, not mine.
I think that's the point Buzzcut was trying to make when you cut him off.
#87. To: Phaedrus (#82)
caveat - ' Unless the individual belongs to one of the hundreds of http://jewish5thcolumn.orgs. '
But those of us who have some balance and maturity don't have to stand silent and tolerate the nonsense.
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#88. To: Dakmar (#84)
Sure you do.
I need to know, baby!
#89. To: Phaedrus (#88)
You're right, I'm probably better off not knowing.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#90. To: Jethro Tull (#85)
Hatred will burn you up, Jethro. You may want to think it through.
Some people, places and things deserve our hatred. As I said, it's an appropriate emotion in certain situations.
#91. To: Phaedrus (#90)
So you don't hate Ted Bundy? What is wrong with you?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else can we learn not to act like that?
#92. To: Dakmar (#89)
What can I say, Dakmar, and what the heck kind of screen name is that? Not some sort of anti-semitic code name, I hope ... ;-}
You're right, I'm probably better off not knowing.
#93. To: Dakmar (#91)
Outgrew it, I guess. Ted Bundy is a sick puppy.
So you don't hate Ted Bundy? What is wrong with you?
#94. To: Dakmar (#91)
LOL.. hmm even if hes dead?
So you don't hate Ted Bundy? What is wrong with you?
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#95. To: Phaedrus (#92)
It's Yiddish.. (Shhhh... ) PS: You brush off post #57 as the work of haters, but claim others won't accept your simple truth at face value?
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#96. To: Zipporah (#94)
How many points should we shave for the recently deceased? Should we hire more officials?
LOL.. hmm even if hes dead?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. Where else are we gonna learn not to learn not to act like that?
#97. To: Phaedrus (#90)
BULLSHIT Victor/Veronica...if your emotions don't run deep enough to feel and vent hatred, you also do not have the equal but opposite capacity for love. Your Arab neighbors in Israel, who been false-flagged into oblivion for generations, have been trying to teach your brethren this. Unfortunatley, your Talmud forbids it.
Hatred will burn you up, Jethro. You may want to think it through.
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#98. To: Phaedrus (#92)
MartinLutherKingLoiusXIV was already taken on FR, as was any Viking-style name I felt comfy with, so I made up "Dakmar".
What can I say, Dakmar, and what the heck kind of screen name is that? Not some sort of anti-semitic code name, I hope ...
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. Where else are we gonna learn not to learn not to act like that?
#99. To: Jhoffa_ (#95)
I kinda have to. I've read so many reputable places that the Jews test at the top of world in IQ that I'm going to need more than an anti-semitic website to change my mind. I'm going to have to see all kinds of support, not bald statements and unsupported statistics.
You brush off post #57 as the work of haters, but claim others won't accept your simple truth at face value?
#100. To: Dakmar (#98)
LOL ... works for me.
MartinLutherKingLoiusXIV was already taken on FR, as was any Viking-style name I felt comfy with, so I made up "Dakmar".
#101. To: Eoghan (#97)
Oh, my ... a bit of an outpouring here. Gotta hate someone, right? So you've concluded I'm Jewish? Think again.
BULLSHIT Victor/Veronica...if your emotions don't run deep enough ...
#102. To: Phaedrus (#101)
I gave up on Veronica, but still hoping you'll get one right, maybe? I could care less what your religion is, but on the latter, I have my doubts...
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#103. To: robin (#80)
I've been thinkng about this. The draft was a huge factor driving the youth movement and we don't have this yet. But I think the world was just richer back then and kids had more time to screw around with stuff like the anti-war business. Kids then didn't feel like they only had one shot at life. They believed they could go to school when it suited them and mess around in the meantime. This actually worked out for them. I think there was just more wealth and the resulting freetime allowed people to get active in politics. Nobody had a working wife and nobody seemed to work a lot of overtime like they do today. I moved out when I was really young and I never had any trouble supporting myself. Mostly I had a job, I owned a car, I lived in an apartment and I had lots of free time to raise hell. I never slept outside and never missed a meal. A kid would have to work three jobs to do this nowdays, if he could get the jobs away from the Mexicans. I moved from DC to San Francisco with fifty bucks in my pocket knowing I could easily find a job and support myself. Kids are too much under the gun today to do anything but think about surviving and getting ahead. In contrst, I think I usually made about $400 per month, my good running used VW cost $300, my rent was $35.00 per month and a quart of beer cost 35 cents. A bottle of wine was a buck and a quarter. A gallon of gas was 28 cents. It cost 4 or 5 bucks to get into the Cow Palace and see bands depending on the night. I think I was better off when I was 19 than I am now.
Have you noticed ANSWER and the entire anti-war crowd are completely AWOL.
#104. To: crack monkey (#103)
I'm too fat to be a bus driver.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. Where else are we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see monkey do
#105. To: Dakmar (#104)
Busses smell funny.. Why can't we all be Senators? I can swim and play golf.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#106. To: crack monkey (#103)
Serious. I remember arguing this way on FR with some free traders who support all the offshoring/outsourcing, trade deficit, etc. They were all too young to understand what the rest of us were trying to communicate. They simply had no reference point. All they had were charts and meaningless stats. When I think of our quality of life then compared to today's I get angry. And, I'm not speaking of my own life, I mean in general.
I think I was better off when I was 19 than I am now.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#107. To: Dakmar (#96)
LOL! Well .. maybe we should make a list of who is 'hateable'.. those its okay to hate.. John Wayne Gacy
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#108. To: Phaedrus (#99)
Could you please name one? The Simon Weisenthal Center doesn't qualify as a reputable source, I think we could agree on that...so, another?
I've read so many reputable places that the Jews test at the top of world in IQ that I'm going to need more than an anti-semitic website to change my mind.
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#109. To: robin (#106)
I remember being in the Navy and making a whopping three grand a year. Funny thing was that looking back I actually feel I was better off then than now. I make more than that now every two weeks but sure don't feel any better off.
#110. To: robin (#106)
I think that's what a lot of people don't understand about the 1960s with the Great Society and the long 24/7 party. People could afford these things back then. That was the big difference between then and now. If you wanted to hang out, you could work half time at a pretty much minimum wage job and survive in a decent apartment down by the park. That's basically what everyone did. College was different too. Then school was basically free, the kids rent was less than $35 per month, the mortgage was $75, the dad made $15k - $20K per year and putting the kid through school was no sweat. Now the dad makes $100k, tuition is $25K, the kids rent is $1500 per month, the mortgage is $2500 and everyone is too serious to go dance nekked in the park.
They were all too young to understand what the rest of us were trying to communicate.
#111. To: crack monkey (#110)
and everyone is too serious to go dance nekked in the park.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#112. To: Jhoffa_ (#99)
Me: I kinda have to. I've read so many reputable places that the Jews test at the top of world in IQ that I'm going to need more than an anti-semitic website to change my mind. I'm going to have to see all kinds of support, not bald statements and unsupported statistics. Let me expand a little on this so you don't think I'm just making stuff up. The following is from The Bell Curve, Herrnstein and Murray, Copyright 1994, at page 275: "Jews - specifically Ashkenazi Jews of European origins - test higher than any other ethnic group. A fair estimate seems to be that Jews in America and Britain have an overall IQ mean somewhere between a half and a full standard deviation above the mean, with the source of the difference concentrated in the verbal component." This is a significant difference and I've run into it in numerous places. Most recently, I ran into it in Mothers, Leadership, and Success by Guy Odom, copyright 1989. The Bell Curve is copiously footnoted and documented, the point being that it has high credibility. When I am shown data completely at odds with this (post #57) and undocumented as to source, I question it. This is appropriate since the site is clearly very anti-semitic. There is controversy as to why the Jews as a group have a superior IQ but not as to that they do.
You: You brush off post #57 as the work of haters, but claim others won't accept your simple truth at face value?
#113. To: Eoghan (#108)
See #112.
#114. To: Phaedrus (#112)
Ah yes, two Chosen and Manhattan Institute fellows...so, are they Compassionate Conservatives(TM) too? Any mention that Ashkenazi Jews have higher Tay-Sachs and mental illness compared to the whole of the goyim?...Yes, this is all relevant...
The Bell Curve, Herrnstein and Murray
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#115. To: Eoghan (#114)
Beats hell out of your source, hotshot.
Ah yes, two Chosen and Manhattan Institute fellows...so, are they Compassionate Conservatives(TM) too? Any mention that Ashkenazi Jews have higher Tay-Sachs and mental illness compared to the whole of the goyim?...Yes, this is all relevant...
#116. To: Jhoffa_ (#58)
However, individual bad acts are aberrations and must not be attributed to the people as a whole? That’s pretty much it, isn’t it? That would be the Phaedrus doctrine. But, if you point that out, you are just being silly, making too fine of distinctions and getting all semantic on him. ;-)
So, we have learned the Jews are a monolithic bloc when one is saying good things about them..
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#117. To: Phaedrus (#78)
And yet you practice the exact same prejudice, as I've already pointed out.
I'm anti-hate and anti-prejudice.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#118. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#117)
Nuke, read #112, then give it up.
#119. To: robin (#106)
It's going to get worse, much worse, before it gets better, sorry to say -- my humble but informed opinion. Hope I'm wrong.
When I think of our quality of life then compared to today's I get angry. And, I'm not speaking of my own life, I mean in general.
#120. To: Phaedrus (#118)
How do jews compare with atheists?
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#121. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#53)
I found this thread interesting so I followed it through. First of all, It's hard to believe this guy Phaedrus is 62 based on his undercurrent of insecurity inherent in his responses. Having owned a company could be part of the reason. If it were a large company, he would have been conditioned to be the arrogant person he appears to be. But the constant references to "winning the debate", his jealousy of BTP Holdings and his attempts at belittling others really leaves me feeling sorry for this maladjusted miscreant. He is incapable of civil debate with respect for the other side. But of course this is just my "ignorant two bit analysis" or some defensive response along those lines. Bottom line....... Life is too short to waste it on cretinous yahoos.
I don't want to debate a person who uses language as sloppily as you do and when shown his error just sloughs it off as irrelevant semantics or fine distinctions.
The future is so bright I got to wear shades.
#122. To: timetobuildaboat (#121)
Claims to have been a CFO of a small corporation, which is a part of the underlying problem as I pointed out earlier. JMHO, but the responses we have seen thus far tend to prove it out. HIs tactic is to get you to admit to anything, no matter how small, and then claim victory. Such a waste of time to try to discuss with someone who is so condescending.
If it were a large company, he would have been conditioned to be the arrogant person he appears to be.
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
#123. To: BTP Holdings, Phaedrus all (#33)
You just can't put it any better than that. I know a lot of Jews. My brother-in-law is one and we're great pals. Yeah,he's loaded and has a very succesful business. He's also a philanthropist and he sure as hell is not a Zionist. When I took my first job as a teenager,the business owner was a Jew. He treated me like a son and I won't forget him. Once again,he was not a Zionist. On my second job as a teenager,I worked for another one. He was the owner of a very large retail chain of stores. Yep, he was filthy rich and lived in the largest mansion in the area. That man built whole wings on hospitals with his own money. He also donated incredible sums of money to local charities and helped to expand a local University by building a new state of the art performing arts center and a new "Chapel"...a Protestant chapel at that. He died a few years ago and willed his entire mansion and land which included a private golf course to the University....He was not a Zionist. That's just a few examples. Phaedrus wants to lump everyone who opposes Zionism as anti-Semites. He just doesn't get it and he using the same old tired finger pointing techniques to corral everyone into the same camp. Phaedrus is just paranoid and a baiter. I agree with Phaedrus that jews have made tremendous contributions to this country but most likely very few were Zionists. Yes Phaedrus...there is a difference whether you want to admit it or not. Insulting everyone and calling names to those opposed to Zionism is just plain nonsense.
that not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.
#124. To: Grumble Jones (#123)
Perhaps you and Phaedrus are closer in your views than you think you are. Richard W.
#125. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#120)
I don't know, Nuke. My quarrel is with those who would single out the Jews to blame for unrelated social or economic problems, or for their own deficiencies and insecurities. History is replete with examples of this (Hitler) and it's not only counter-productive, it's morally wrong. And as I said above, from the perspective of the individual, hate will burn you up.
How do jews compare with atheists?
#126. To: Arete (#124)
Phaedrus is trying to lump everyone opposed to Zionism as being a total anti- Semite. He says there is no difference between the two. I disagree with him.
Perhaps you and Phaedrus are closer in your views than you think you are.
#127. To: Grumble Jones (#123)
OK, please clearly distinguish Jewishness from Zionism and we'll see whether the latter is or is not simply an excuse to bash Jews. And you may want to reread my posts more carefully if you think they're about insults and name- calling. This is a mischaracterization. While it is true that I have no patience with sophistry, I speak truth as I know it. When I am attacked, I know how to defend myself. That is the true complaint. The easy solution is to acknowledge valid points.
Yes Phaedrus...there is a difference whether you want to admit it or not. Insulting everyone and calling names to those opposed to Zionism is just plain nonsense.
#128. To: Phaedrus, Grumble Jones (#127)
Phaedrus puts the person challenging him on Bozo and then hides out and whines. Better watch out Grumble.
When I am attacked, I know how to defend myself.
#129. To: crack monkey (#128)
He's done neither. You discredit yourself. Richard W.
and then hides out and whines.
#130. To: Arete (#124)
I have for years debated the Evolutionists and that's a tough crowd but the blood on the floor was by no means all mine. The good news is that they don't have the facts.
#131. To: Arete (#129)
He certainly did. Check out his discussion on the Scalia thread about three months ago. Call up his posts to me. When you catch him in a contradiction he goes personal and then puts you on bozo. His cowardly little hissy fit is in the record for all to see.
#132. To: Arete (#129)
Richard W. As further evidence. Notice that Phaedrus is still cowering behind the bozo filter.
He's done neither. You discredit yourself.
#133. To: Arete (#129)
Crack and I have had a go-around or two. I think we've tacitly agreed to pretty much avoid each other. It's a good thing.
#134. To: Phaedrus (#127)
You know the difference. You're just trying to be a pain in the ass. reread my posts more carefully if you think they're about insults and name- calling. You're inferring that everyone opposed to Zionism is an anti-Semite. What else would that be besides name calling in a subtle manner.
OK, please clearly distinguish Jewishness from Zionism
#135. To: Phaedrus (#133)
I was just making the point that you DO go personal and hide behind the bozo when caught in a contradiction. I thought people might like to call up your last little cowardly dodge and study it. No offense intended.
Crack and I have had a go-around or two. I think we've tacitly agreed to pretty much avoid each other. It's a good thing.
#136. To: crack monkey (#132)
Yes, crack, you've been on Bozo.
#137. To: Phaedrus (#136)
The Scalia thread. Search me to you. People might want to see where you are coming from before bothering to take your opinions seriously.
Yes, crack, you've been on Bozo.
#138. To: Grumble Jones (#134)
Now, you see, I am civil and you insult me, all the while accusing me of bad behavior. You can't have it both ways, Grumble. Make the point or back away and note well that I am not infinitely tolerant of insults.
You know the difference. You're just trying to be a pain in the ass.
#139. To: crack monkey (#137)
We don't have anything to say to each other, crack.
#140. To: Phaedrus (#138)
LoL...Nice spin!!!!
Now, you see, I am civil and you insult me,
#141. To: crack monkey (#135)
Now you see, we really don't have anything to say to each other.
... your last little cowardly dodge and study it. No offense intended.
#142. To: Grumble Jones (#140)
You did not respond. You are attempting to change the subject. You have just acknowledged my point.
LoL...Nice spin!!!!
#143. To: Phaedrus (#127)
JewsNotZionists WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE --snip-- This site has a wealth of information about the distinction between jews and zionists:1) What is "The people of Israel" ?
-The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
-It has its own particular, essential, nature.
-The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
-Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
-Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of
Israel.
-The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
-Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.
2) What is Zionism ?
-Zionism is a new thing.
-It has only existed for a century.
-Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and
substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character.
- a materialistic worldly nation.
-Their misfortune is lack of what other nations have. i.e. a state and army.
-Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
- This is clearly speed out in the circles of Zionist though, and among the
leaders of the Zionist state, That through changing the nature and character
of the people of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set
before the People of Israel "their salvation." -- a state and an army.
#144. To: Phaedrus (#142)
See...I gave you a compliment on your ability to spin. Besides,calling people who oppose Zionism as anti-Semites is name calling. What else is would it be? I just said that you were trying to be a 'pain in the ass.' Where did I call you a name?
You did not respond. You are attempting to change the subject.
#145. To: Phaedrus (#142)
I find it interesting that you are going out of your way to find something insulting in Grumble's posts. If you don't know the difference between Zionism, and Judaism, then apparently the problem you really have is ignorance. There's a difference between Jewish people, and Zionists. Jewish people are just like everyone else. They work, they have families, they take care of their communities, and are mostly hard working, upstanding citizens, just like everyone else. They believe in the American Dream, and do not work to bring that system down, or destroy the country that gave them the oppurtunities to succeed. Jewish people are fine so long as they don't want the United States to be their bitch, which is what Zionism is about, ie, mopping up the middle east with unjust wars, killing off all of Israel's enemies, while selling sensitive technologies to America's enemies. Which Israel has done, by selling the Aegis systems we gave to them, to China. But I digress. Zionism, or Zionists are people who don't give a shit about anyone, but Israel, and think the world owes them everything they want, desire, and need. Such as the billions of dollars in aid we funnel to Israel every year, or how we are mired in the Middle East, with no exit strategy. American soldiers are dying so that Israel can have its own oil pipelines, again, built at the expense of the American Taxpayer. So, now that you know the difference between Jews, and Zionists, you have no excuse to find what Grumble says offensive, seeing as how you went personal before Grumble actually got a chance to educate you. Of course now, I'm probably an anti-semite right???
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#146. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#145)
That was another brilliant post but he probably still won't 'get it.'
#147. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#145)
Phaedrus did the same thing to me on the Scalia thread. You can find this by searching my posts to him. It should come up right away as I haven't really posted to him since. As Phaedrus' arguments fall apart he gets hypersensitive. He begins to take everything as a personal attack. Eventually he puts the person on bozo and then cowardly insults the person from behind the bozo filter. It's his MO. You can see this on the thread I referenced at the beginning of this post.
I find it interesting that you are going out of your way to find something insulting in Grumble's posts.
#148. To: Phaedrus (#125)
Indeed, that is a very bad thing. Just as bad, in fact, as doing the exact same thing in reverse -- which is what you do. It's really a simple thing to understand. You can grasp it, can you not?
My quarrel is with those who would single out the Jews to blame for unrelated social or economic problems, or for their own deficiencies and insecurities.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#149. To: Phaedrus (#112)
First: Data is not "anti-semitic" Second: I confirmed the table in about 30 seconds. Provided you will accept the National Center for Education Statistics as an unbiased source. http://nces.ed.gov/timss/TIMSS03Tables.asp?figure=7&Quest= Third: I don't really care either way, but when I see a disparty between what can and cannot be said of a people collectively, it bothers me. I see elsewhere you asked for a definition of the term "Zionist" I don't know what it means and I won't pretend I do, but speaking for myself the Jews I hate are just like all the other people I hate. They're the ones constantly on the march with some new and stupid idea about what freedoms or degree of sovereignty we should voluntarily give up to makes everything all nice and fair or multicultural or whatever. I'm fucking sick of it. We've been doing this dance to the bottom for years and all they can do is suggest new ways to inconvenience society for the express benefit of a select (and usually deviant) few. "Hate Crimes" and "Hate Speech" would be good examples.
When I am shown data completely at odds with this (post #57) and undocumented as to source, I question it. This is appropriate since the site is clearly very anti-semitic.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#150. To: Phaedrus (#149)
PS: Now is it fair to pidgeon hole an entire people for the actions of a few? Of course not. However & likewise, when I note Jewish groups involved in this activity (ADL) I don't accept that mentioning this fact is "Anti-Semitic" either. I'm not a Jew, and if I won't willingly gloss over, say a Christian orginization's involvement in something decidedly stupid and detrimental to the way I believe things ought to be, then why in the world would I cut anyone else a break? Regards.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#151. To: Jhoffa_, Phaedrus (#150)
Nor have we. As a Baptist, I have joined in with the well-deserved beating we have given the rapture monkeys. They've all lost their collective minds. On this forum we take swings at many groups we are not allowed to on other forums. Most of us discern the difference between the Bush Family and other WASPS as well as the difference between fantatical Zionists and ordinary Jewish American citizens.
I'm not a Jew, and if I won't willingly gloss over, say a Christian orginization's involvement in something decidedly stupid and detrimental to the way I believe things ought to be, then why in the world would I cut anyone else a break?
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#152. To: crack monkey (#137)
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously? Especially your opinions. The town drunk has more credibility.
#153. To: willyone (#152)
You know, there's a whole Internet out there for your mommy to read to you. I don't think you'll be widely mourned or anything..
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#154. To: willyone (#152)
What brings you out from under the bridge this morning?
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously?
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#155. To: willyone (#152)
You should be able to answer that yourself. Why do you take the opinions expressed on this site seriously enough to log on and make a childish attempt to insult and disrupt? You do realize that your silly insult looks rather crude and poorly done. Glad to see that we got under your skin though. Be sure to come back and let us know when our jabs hit home. It's nice to know that we are effective - even if it's only against lame sounding goobers like you.
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously? Especially your opinions. The town drunk has more credibility.
#156. To: willyone (#152)
Oh, by the way. Glad to see that you agree with my take on Phaedrus, e.g., that he's a silly coward that hides behind the bozo when he can't defend his position. Judging from the childish insult that you tossed out as a response to my post, I gather that you examined the link and figured there was no rational come back. In short, what you are saying is that you agree with me, but it sticks in your craw. I think that's hilarious.
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously? Especially your opinions. The town drunk has more credibility.
#157. To: willyone (#152)
By the way, why are you being such a moronic dick? Don't you know that's ineffective? Eventually you'll just be banned and you'll then become a joke over here. If you had any brains you would have hung back and been a borderline case that was hard to get rid of. Jumping up and down and screaming that you're a troll is just dumb.
#158. To: christine (#143)
And so on. This not at all clear, Christine, and we encounter a new term, "The People of Israel". As I have done above with reference to Jews as a group, in your own brief words, please explain the essential distinctions between Jews as a group and Zionists, along with why the Jews are laudable people and the Zionists are evil. I don't think this is too much to ask if the thinking behind the verbal distinction is adequate. I note that the website you link is pro- Palenstinian and I think suicide bombing is heinous by any sane standard, particularly when children are used for this activity. More generally, link- chasing can be a way of attempting to divert the opponent in a debate and bury him/her in material. I don't think that is your intent, which is why I have responded in this fashion. I don't debate that way. I make my points in my own words and if there's some need to back up a particular point, I will cite a reference or link a website but the focus is very narrow.
What is Zionism ? -Zionism is a new thing. -It has only existed for a century. -Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character. - a materialistic worldly nation.
#159. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#145)
Well, this is debatable. I'm hearing three things. One is essentially that Israel has no right to protect itself and act as a sovereign state. Two is that we have no right to support them. I think we should. Three is that those who hate Jews can hide behind the label, "Zionist". Does that about sum it up?
Zionism, or Zionists are people who don't give a shit about anyone, but Israel, and think the world owes them everything they want, desire, and need. Such as the billions of dollars in aid we funnel to Israel every year, or how we are mired in the Middle East, with no exit strategy. American soldiers are dying so that Israel can have its own oil pipelines, again, built at the expense of the American Taxpayer.
#160. To: Phaedrus (#158)
Pro palestinian??? You're calling the Neturei Karta jews pro palestinian? Interesting. I don't get that impression at all.
I note that the website you link is pro- Palenstinian
#161. To: Jhoffa_ (#149)
http://nces.ed.gov/timss/TIMSS03Tables.asp?figure=7&Quest= I accept your source. Table 7 shows math performance in the 8th grade and Israel is at the middle of the pack. Here's my citation again: The following is from The Bell Curve, Herrnstein and Murray, Copyright 1994, at page 275: "Jews - specifically Ashkenazi Jews of European origins - test higher than any other ethnic group. A fair estimate seems to be that Jews in America and Britain have an overall IQ mean somewhere between a half and a full standard deviation above the mean, with the source of the difference concentrated in the verbal component." Does your citation overcome mine? No, it does not.
Provided you will accept the National Center for Education Statistics as an unbiased source.
#162. To: Jhoffa_ (#150)
You probably won't like this but I think we agree as much as we disagree. I am not Jewish but am pro-Jew based upon their achievements and contributions. Are they all saints? No. Are there those in the world who hate Jews for no good reason? Yes. Fair and balanced is all I'm looking for.
#163. To: willyone (#152)
You are completely conditioned by neocon propaganda. You were probably a Conservative at some point, but then the Communist neocons took over the party and made real Conservatism illegal, calling such kooks and anti Americans. Yet you support neocons- you probably have adopted all of their positions. Whether you break this conditioning is up to you. I recommend reading sites that you loathe but don't have a specific reason for loathing. You can get your principles back.
Why would anyone with a functioning brain take the opinions of anyone on this anti American anti Jew site seriously?
#164. To: christine (#160)
It's your link, Christine. Go to the website and find it. This is irritating. Do your homework.
You're calling the Neturei Karta jews pro palestinian? Interesting.
#165. To: Phaedrus (#162)
I suppose I tend to lean their way (Toward the people themselves, not necessarily their leadership or foreign policy.) for 2 reasons. 1) Like SK and Taiwan, they're surrounded by forces that would like to instantly eradicate them. 2) The religious context, the Jewish people and Abraham.
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#166. To: Phaedrus (#162)
People don't hate for no reason. It's illogical. You simply disagree with the reasons, labelling them as nothing. You have been absorbed by the neocon collective. You are completely blind to the damage Jews are doing to this country thru their lobby and special interest groups. With the overwhelming support of US Jews. You do not tolerate any criticism of Jews. This indicates you are not looking at the situation rationally.
Are there those in the world who hate Jews for no good reason?
#167. To: Bayonne (#163)
My theory is that the conservative transformation began when conservatives began wearing bow ties. William Buckley (a bow tie wearer), befriended Ira Glasser of the ACLU. This was followed by Irving Kristol (a Trotskyite), George Will (his parents were worker ants for Norman Thomas) and lately Tucker Carlson (a steam bath queer for sure). I'm sure there are more, but the pattern is obvious; bow ties = neocons = pipe smokers.
#168. To: Jethro Tull (#167)
That's just odd.. Bow ties suck. No one I know would wear one at gunpoint. Personally, I'd summer in Gitmo before wearing one to the convenience store. Wonder if it's intentional? Like a secret handshake or something..
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#169. To: Jhoffa_ (#168)
What's next? An ascot? Yes, I'd summer in Gitmo before wearing one of those goofy things.
#170. To: Phaedrus (#164)
you're irritating, Phaedrus, arrogant, closedminded, and bossy too. i've done my "homework" on this issue. you're the one who hasn't. why don't you try heeding your own order.
Do your homework.
#171. To: Bayonne (#166)
Yes, they do. Hate is anything but rational.
People don't hate for no reason.
#172. To: Phaedrus (#171)
Some people hate for wrong or false reasons, but they still have their reasons. As for the value of hate, it is a perfectly legitimate and useful emotion under the right circumstances.
Yes, they do. Hate is anything but rational.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#173. To: christine, crack monkey, Jhoffa (#160)
You have to understand the conditioning. Everything is a dichotomy. It's no coincidence that Bush believes that people are either with him or against him and told the population so. It is a tactic. This is the way the Rep Party operates as well. My take on it is that the neocons had a major task on their hands when Bush became President. They had the dupe in place, by the constituents were a different story. They needed to change most of the positions of those who were Conservative- change them to neocon- Socialist at home, pro Israel as a #1 priority, and Empire abroad. So, the RNC, neocon thinktanks, their media, the President portrayed Conservatism as simply choosing good and fighting evil. They defined good and evil. This is a dichotomy and a false choice. Reps gladly sacrificed their principles to choose to neocon defined good on all issues. Patriotism was also heavily used. The neos defined Patriotism, and anti-American. There is that dichotomy again. By making Reps choose a or b, a false choice, they were able to drum out the Conservative ideology and replace it with the neocon ideology. They also won the election using dichotomy. Only 2 choices, Rep(good) and Lib(evil), and by defintition, libs are always worse than Conservatives, so there is only 1 choice- Rep. These dupes were so conditioned that holding the Rep Party responsible for not acting like traditional Reps never even crossed their mind. That was the beauty of it for Rep strategists and the Rep pols they represent. These dichotomies, reinforced with pos and neg emotions, limited the ability of Rep followers to think objectively and even rationally. This tactic has been a mainstay for Lush, Hannity and all of the 'pop' conservatives in the media. Republicans good, libs evil. They also narrowed the scope of all content on their shows so as to exclude anything paleoconservative or Libertarian. They promoted collectivism over individuality. Reps love god, Dems hate God. Reps love America, dems hate America. Reps are building the nation, Dems are tearing it down. Reps are moral, Dems are immoral. Reps are pro war, Dems are antiwar, Reps support Israel, Dems support Palestinians. Reps support the commander in chief, Dems support the terrorists. This also applies to paleoconservatives and Libertarian, but the neocons simply labelled those ideologies as that of K0oks, fringe extremists. This smear made sure that no issues were debated so as not to remind the neocon converts that they were not Conservatives anymore. The use of emotion was a key in the conditioning. During the Clinton years, especially during the impeachment period. neocons realized that making people hate Dems and love Reps... was a great way to control them. Principles could then be abandoned while maintaining control. If you listen to any amout of Lush or Hannity or Ingraham, you will find that they not only present dichotomies, but they use rhetoric that makes Reps hate the 'liberals' because they associate them with the evil half of the dichotomy. The talking heads present the threat aspect. "The evil libs are a direct threat to you." Later in the show, they will talk about Bush in glowing terms- 100% good, perfection in a man. They'll have icons call in like Gingrich, the pseudocon, to assuage those that used to be cons. Newt has all the right answers. 'Thank God for people like Newt." This relieves the tension from the hate fest that was just employed against those who oppose neocons and gives people a sense of relief. They then hear about how perfect the Rep Party is and feel secure. They see the Reps as saviours. They see them as the good part of the dichotomy. They become subconsciously subservient to the Neocon Party. So, when you see a poster like Phaedrus, he is conditioned on a deep level. He believes that jews are good, arabs are bad. Further, like the RNC dictates, he has to choose one or the other because it is a dichotomy and that is the only choice. This is false, and is used purely to CONTROL. It shuts down thinking on the issue, just like the emotion of hate shuts down thinking. There is no analysis of the Pali plight or Israel's evils. Israel good, Palis bad. 4um posters are either with the Jews, or against the Jews. If against the Jews, you are 100% pro Palestinian. He cannot even understand that a rational person sees both sides of the conflict and praises and criticizes both parties to the conflict. These are my ideas on BOT conditioning. By using dichotomies, principles do not exist. Things are black and white, a or b. And choosing b is punished psychologically by the Rep PTB, but I'll save that theory for a different post.
You're calling the Neturei Karta jews pro palestinian? Interesting.
#174. To: christine (#170)
From your link, JUDAISM VERSUS ZIONISM, IN SUPPORT OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. Apology accepted. You have not done your homework on this issue.
you're irritating, Phaedrus, arrogant, closedminded, and bossy too. i've done my "homework" on this issue. you're the one who hasn't. why don't you try heeding your own order.
#175. To: Phaedrus (#171)
Are you saying God is irrational?
Yes, they do. Hate is anything but rational.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#176. To: Zipporah (#175)
Are you attempting to put words in my mouth? I am saying hate is irrational. It's a twisted emotion based on fear.
Are you saying God is irrational?
#177. To: Phaedrus (#174)
How is this statement PRO Palestinian (which apparently you equate with being antiIsraeli or anti Jewish) and how can they be IF they are Jews? You're being illogical. "We seek the return of all Palestinian refugees to their rightful land. We seek to live in the land of Palestine as anti Zionist Jews. To reside as loyal and peaceful Palestinian citizens, in peace and harmony with our Muslim Brethren. Just as our ancestors lived in Palestine for centuries before the usurpations of this tragic century."
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#178. To: Jethro Tull (#167)
See my last post for my theory on the transformation of millions of conservs to necon slaves.
#179. To: Phaedrus (#176)
No.. I am not but what I am doing it taking your statement to the logical conclusion. You said hate is not based on logic and now on emotion based fear. Is God illogical and emotional?
Are you attempting to put words in my mouth? I am saying hate is irrational. It's a twisted emotion based on fear.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#180. To: Phaedrus (#171)
There are people who hate Jews for valid reasons.
#181. To: All (#180)
I should clarify- I mean the Jewish power structure. Not individual Jews. Neocons, ADL, Israeli govt, etc.
#182. To: Bayonne (#180)
Hate is a twisted emotion based on fear, it will burn you up and it is never justified. I flat don't agree with your statement.
There are people who hate Jews for valid reasons.
#183. To: Zipporah (#177)
I'm not particularly interested in discussing Palestine beyond my earlier comments. In my brief, overview opinion, it's a bogus anti-Isreal issue. If you want to start another thread, I'll have a look but I may or may not participate.
#184. To: Zipporah (#179)
Stay with my words. Your conclusions may or may not be valid.
I am not but what I am doing it taking your statement to the logical conclusion.
#185. To: Phaedrus (#183)
OH really? Seems you are the one that brought it up.. I didnt see anyone else in fact do so. My question again, are you saying that statement is anti-Jewish? It seems to me that the statement is propeace. Living in accord neither pro-Jewish or pro-Palestinian. Should I then surmise that, you are berating those here you say hate Jewish people but in fact you have those 'illogical, emotion filled' feelings for the Palestinians since you brought it up? Odd IMO.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#186. To: Phaedrus (#182)
Ahhhh....not so fast. Consider the typical Iraqi family in Baghdad. They've been invaded, their children and families killed or maimed, all under the ruse of a search for Wmd's (which never existed). Hate toward America, and our military, is a justified emotion. I certainly would hate invading imperialists, in fact, I'd kill as many as I could. It’s called nationalism, patriotism, and bravery. God bless the resistance.
Hate is a twisted emotion based on fear, it will burn you up and it is never justified.
#187. To: Phaedrus (#184)
Thats why I put it in question form..
Stay with my words. Your conclusions may or may not be valid.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#188. To: Zipporah (#185)
You are playing word games. I'm not interested. Play with someone else.
#189. To: Zipporah (#177)
It's the dichotomy I mentioned above. The neocon leadership presents Reps with choices in a dichotomy. Except it's not even a choice because they condition followers to be repulsed by the choice that doesn't support the neocons. So there really is no choice. It's almost totalitarian when I think about it. A form of US totalitarianism. Israelis good, Palis evil. No issues are ever introduced that might allow the follower to think rationally. There is no debate about which side is just. Just a simple choice: You have to pick 'the Jews.' Because you have been conditioned that the Palis are evil. There is really no more conditioning necessary at this point. Just managing info on Jews to be all positive and on Palis as all evil- to reinforce the conditioning regularly. Palis are also associated with negative, unpleasant emotions and Jews with the opposite. Reality has nothing to do with the process. Since it's a dichotomy, the follower never realizes that he can have positions against the Palis AND against the Israelis. It's either or. And he can only see adversaries as being 100% for the Palies, because he assumes the opponent sees the situation as a dichotomy- like he does! You are either with us or against us. If you do not support the Israelis totally, you support the Palestinians totally.
How is this statement PRO Palestinian?
#190. To: Bayonne (#189)
It's almost totalitarian when I think about it. A form of US totalitarianism. Precisely.. for me it is not an either or .. its the same for those who continually fall into the false dichotomy of left/right .. Democrat/Republican .. evil/good .. anti-American/patriotic .. damned fools all.
It's the dichotomy I mentioned above. The neocon leadership presents Reps with choices in a dichotomy. Except it's not even a choice because they condition followers to be repulsed by the choice that doesn't support the neocons. So there really is no choice.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#191. To: Phaedrus, Zipporah (#188)
What Phaedrus is trying to say here is that you nailed him. He has no rational response and so he begins tap dancing - again.
You are playing word games. I'm not interested. Play with someone else.
#192. To: Phaedrus (#182)
Hate is a human emotion, like any other. To deny it its proper place in the realm of human experience is to deny a portion of our humanity.
Hate is a twisted emotion based on fear, it will burn you up and it is never justified. I flat don't agree with your statement.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#193. To: Zipporah (#187)
It seems Phaedrus is practicing his neocon debating techniques. You ask a question - he refuses to answer. I guess that's better than trying to defend stupidity.
#194. To: crack monkey, Phaedrus (#191)
To what other conclusion can we come?
What Phaedrus is trying to say here is that you nailed him. He has no rational response and so he begins tap dancing - again.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#195. To: Jethro Tull (#193)
See #191. I'm seeing some word parsing out of Phaedrus that would make a Rove defender proud. Don't call him on his bullshit though. He'll run off and hide behind the bozo filter if you do.
It seems Phaedrus is practicing his neocon debating techniques. You ask a question - he refuses to answer. I guess that's better than trying to defend stupidity.
#196. To: Phaedrus (#188)
Says the person who has done nothing but dance in order to evade responsibility for the meaning of his own words.
You are playing word games.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#197. To: Jethro Tull (#193)
So it seems, thinking beyond the propaganda I suppose is difficult until you leave the matrix.
It seems Phaedrus is practicing his neocon debating techniques. You ask a question - he refuses to answer. I guess that's better than trying to defend stupidity.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#198. To: Phaedrus (#188)
I offer you this link so that you might have the opportunity to educate yourself, rather than to continue in ignorance.
- "Let me ask you this: A guy breaks into your house, but you don't have a gun. How are you going to shoot him?" ~~Dale Gribble
#199. To: All (#198)
This thread has gone sideways, sound and fury signifying nothing. Have your fun, y'all. Gotta do a little work. I'll look in a little later to see if all the hooting, hollering, grunting and scratching has quieted down ... shalom.
#200. To: Phaedrus (#199)
I've seen no "hooting, hollering, grunting and scratching".. all I've seen is you refusing to respond to a valid question on a topic that you in fact yourself brought up.. SO exit stage 'right' .. (btw fear is also an emotion.)
I'll look in a little later to see if all the hooting, hollering, grunting and scratching has quieted down ... shalom.
"...when a society believes in nothing, fear becomes the only agenda..."
#201. To: Zipporah (#200)
LOL. Right you are.
SO exit stage 'right' .. (btw fear is also an emotion.)
#202. To: Zipporah, Phaedrus (#177)
We seek to live in the land of Palestine as anti Zionist Jews. To reside as loyal and peaceful Palestinian citizens, in peace and harmony with our Muslim Brethren. Just as our ancestors lived in Palestine for centuries before the usurpations of this tragic century." Zip, here's an interesting article I found. It is basically an interview with a French Jew who was born in Tunisia, a Sephardic Jew no doubt. And I would imagine the Zionist Israeli and American Ashkenazi Jews (and likely their Christian Zionist sycophants) are livid with him for suggesting what he does in the article, that Arabs and Jews can live together in peace. New European Jewish leader: Let us handle our own challenges
"We seek the return of all Palestinian refugees to their rightful land.
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
#203. To: Phaedrus (#199)
Regard the MO of Phaedrus: Phaedrus first tosses out a bit of silly propaganda. Perhaps something Hannity or Michael Savage thought up for him. If someone then questions this unsupported spew, Phaedrus spins and moves sideways; perhaps claiming that the other person is playing word games or some such smokescreen. When Phaedrus is called on this dodge, Phaedrus resorts to personal attacks and runs off and hides - as he just did above. Phaedrus then wonders why people think he's a silly ninney and fail to respect him.
This thread has gone sideways, sound and fury signifying nothing. Have your fun, y'all. Gotta do a little work. I'll look in a little later to see if all the hooting, hollering, grunting and scratching has quieted down
#204. To: crack monkey (#203)
I've got him on BOZO simply because he immediately launched a personal attack against me after he sidestepped my question to him. Seems to fit.
Phaedrus then wonders why people think he's a silly ninney and fail to respect him.
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
#205. To: BTP Holdings (#204)
To be honest, that unreasoning stuffed shirt mentality that we see in him really reminds me of Becky Saunders over on LP. Could we be dealing with a sock puppet here?
#206. To: Eoghan (#114)
The Master Race, God's special pets
The Holocaust Historiography Project
#207. To: crack monkey (#205)
Cut from the same cloth perhaps.
reminds me of Becky Saunders over on LP. Could we be dealing with a sock puppet here?
"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of." Lord Byron
#208. To: Phaedrus (#159)
Debatable? Hardly. I for one, am all for the existence of Israel. Not only can they stand on their own, but they have nuclear deterrents, and the same capabilities as the US Military. How do I know this? Because Israel has been selling our most sensitive technologies to China and Russia. They can stand on their own just fine. Why should we give them billions of dollars in aid every year, when they can make their own way, selling their products to other nations? They do just fine, in fact, as an arms manufacturer, they do quite well. Why do we need to pay for their settler relocation program to the tune of $250,000.00 per person? We should help Israel why? Why is it our problem whether or not they get a pipeline at OUR expense? They certainly aren't paying for it, WE ARE. We give them billions of dollars, and we are building their pipelines, AND OUR SOLDIERS ARE DYING FOR ISRAELI INTERESTS. Tell me one good reason why we should do this? What purpose does it serve? Does it help us in the Middle East? No, actually it doesn't. You then tell me that people who hate Jews, can hide behind a label, such as Zionist. Well, it shakes both ways pal. If you're saying anyone who says there's a difference between Jews and Zionists is a hatemonger, it's because you know the difference, and you know the truth. You just don't want to lose your ethnic upper hand. People who are chronic victims always bleat the loudest, when they know they're losing an argument. I support Israel, and I believe they should be a sovereign nation. I also believe that after 60+ years of aid, they should be able to stand on their own. They fought the 7 day war, and annihilated their enemies WITHOUT our help. This country when it was conceived, stood on its own from DAY ONE. Israel should be able to do the same. They aren't in immediate danger, they can rout just about any enemy that comes across their border. Unlike you, I speak the truth, and know the truth. Israel can stand on its own, fight its own battles, and come out victorious. I firmly believe that if left to its own devices, Israel could literally mop the floor with every enemy nation it has in the region. I would applaud them for doing so. However, we have too many people in our government, and in their government who like things just the way they are. Israel should be free to do what it needs to, to wipe out their enemies, however, our government's need to be their personal hand holder, is obscene to me.
Well, this is debatable. I'm hearing three things. One is essentially that Israel has no right to protect itself and act as a sovereign state. Two is that we have no right to support them. I think we should. Three is that those who hate Jews can hide behind the label, "Zionist". Does that about sum it up?
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
#209. To: Phaedrus (#171)
You're right, hating something sometimes is irrational, but sometimes you can rationalize that hate. Hence, Nazism. If someone were to hurt you, your family, or friends, you'd probably hate them, if it were bad enough. Is that irrational, not really, it's being human. Do I hate Jews? Hell no, I have friends who are Jewish. Do I hate Zionists? No, I don't. Do I hate what their agenda is, I am averse to my country being used. Hating people for no reason, is irrational. Hating people for being evil, is justifiable.
| So many morons, so few bullets. |
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