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Title: An Examination of Obama's Use of Hidden Hypnosis Techniques in His Speeches
Source: pennypresslv.com
URL Source: http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama%2 ... techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf
Published: Oct 18, 2008
Author: Unsigned
Post Date: 2008-10-18 21:04:19 by PeteCat
Keywords: Obama, Speech
Views: 3252
Comments: 132

A 67 page pdf. The article seems to be a serious-minded effort rather than a hoax. An interesting read at any rate.

It is unsigned and not dated - the contents suggest it was finished within past few weeks.

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#1. To: christine, Pinguinite, angle, Lady X, Cynicom, Tauzero, aristeides, wbales, Ridinshotgun, DeaconBenjamin, Horse, Ada, Ferret Mike, HOUNDDAWG, wadosy, nikki, farmfriend, Jethro Tull, Dakmar (#0)

I'd call it brainwashing rather than hypnotism. Every "Great Leader" uses these techniques.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-18   21:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PeteCat (#0)

Oops. Almost forgot ya.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-18   21:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PeteCat (#0)

Domain name: pennypresslv.com

Administrative Contact: The Penny Press Fred Weinberg (fred1340@gmail.com) +1.7027405588 Fax: +1.7029208215 5010 Spencer Las Vegas, NV 89119 US

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rack42  posted on  2008-10-18   22:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: rack42 (#3) (Edited)

Jews invented it. Mr Weinberg should know, eh?

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-10-19   0:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PeteCat (#0)

As usual, I smell the sweaty stink of desperation. No PeteCat, he is using talent and ability to do what elections are for, to sell oneself as the best candidate for the White House.

He's convinced me to an enthusiastic degree. I have deep confidence he will be at worst a very good president.

And no, he doesn't wave a shiny watch before his speeches.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   0:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: bluegrass, christine, Jethro Tull, Ferret Mike, Corn Flake Girl (#1)

I'd call it brainwashing rather than hypnotism. Every "Great Leader" uses these techniques.

Well, I guess "Corn Flake Girl" will have something witty or smarmy or vicious to say about that.

"You lied to me when you told me CFG was your girlfriend."_Fred Mertz

"My bad. Apologies Fred, the devil musta made me do that. ;-D"_Ferret Mike

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-10-19   1:10:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: HOUNDDAWG, Ferret Mike (#6)

I was falling in love with Corn Flake Girl 'til I found out she was a dude.

That was weird.


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2008-10-19   1:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: wudidiz (#7)

Now now, none of that. ;-D


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   1:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

he is using talent and ability

What has he done in the real world that makes him qualified?

Note the emphasis on real. I'm not talking about the world of politics or academia.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-19   1:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: HOUNDDAWG (#6)

Heh, I answered that already. I used to chat with Laz as a returning bannee at FR, until I realized I was being inconsiderate by giving stress and extra work he didn't need to complicate his posting life.

I only channeled aspects of the cover personality for a short while and occasionally when Goldi alerted she was getting suspicious by shortening the time my posting cookie was good for.

I consider Fred a friend. I also lied to Mud too, promising that CFG and I would look him up and visit when we went through Virginia on the I 95 corridor. (cup hands and yell; "SORRY MUD.") Hey, my bad. What can I say, I was channeling my inner stink weasel. ;-D

Oh well.....


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   1:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#6)

witty or smarmy or vicious

I excel at all three.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-19   1:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: bluegrass (#9)

I have done my homework and can talk about particulars in his resume. I know you don't expect to do a book report on him here for you.

I like what he has done with his life and what he has accomplished in his short career. He has tools as a person that has gotten him far in a short time, and the fact he is young bodes well for him not having the same ingrained institutionalization from the Senate John Kerry did.

I have been watching, reading and talking for a long long time about this campaign. I have a better then average feel for the candidates. Obama has convinced me to take the leap of faith I do in a very informed way to support him.

He is a natural leader, and he has been steady as a rock and weathered a corrosive and caustic process that takes incredible endurance, patience and willpower to do as masterfully as he has.

Sometimes Bluegrass, intuition and gut feelings play a role. In any event, we shall see how he does.

You see, there is little reason at this point to believe he is not going to be the 44th President of the United States.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   2:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: bluegrass (#11)

"I excel at all three."

We have a winner in the understatement of the week context. ;-)


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   2:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret Mike (#12)

Mikey, you dodged the question.

What has he done in the real world that makes him qualified?

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-19   2:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

Watch it or I'll break witty, smarmy and vicious on you.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-19   2:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: bluegrass (#14)

You get nowhere using a diminutive for my first name. Read the Wiki or whatever and get back to me when you are up to speed on his resume.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   2:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: bluegrass (#15)

"Watch it or I'll break witty, smarmy and vicious on you."

There is a good answer to that that is a quote from Rhett Butler to Scarlet O'Hara in Gone With the Wind. I think is started with the word "Frankly."


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   2:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

You're still dodging the question.

I've read his resume. Obama has no real world experience or accomplishments. He's the ultimate superficial feel-good candidate for a superficial generation. The Money Powers certainly know the shepherds to pick for the flock, eh?

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-19   3:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#8)

It was fun and I still love you.


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2008-10-19   4:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: bluegrass (#14)

What has he done in the real world that makes him qualified?

He had done nothing except be a corrupt Chicago politician.

If he was white, he would be ignored as utterly unqualified. Since he is black and a Magic Negro, people delude themselves he'll be something besides as utterly terrible President.

Freepers: hearts full of hate and cowardice, and skulls full, to quote a favorite saying of one of their favorite cowards, of mush.

Turtle  posted on  2008-10-19   6:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

As usual, I smell

You sure do.

You stink like the RAT leftist turd you are.

It's the second mouse that gets the cheese

Flintlock  posted on  2008-10-19   8:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

He's convinced me to an enthusiastic degree.

If he weren't dark you wouldn't grovel. Would you please tell me what Obama initiatives you consider good for America, and why?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   8:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

"If he weren't dark you wouldn't grovel."

Who's grovelling?

Which initiatives do I like from Obama? I have looked at both candidate's health plans, and though it still needs some work, I much prefer Obama's. I also appreciate his willingness to prevent the reemergence of the criminal Taliban regime in Afghanistan and to end the illegal war in Iraq started by Bush.

One little known aspect to this which has been under reported is the stated intent of the Obama Administration to go after Bush criminally, and others and I plan on a campaign to put the heat to President Obama to do this vigorously.

I have absolutely no intent of reducing heat on Bush. Now he will be leaving office, he must face due process for his high crimes and misdemeanors.

President Obama will also be a better environmental president too, McCain is a hypocrite and a liar when he claims to be environmentally minded. I am howling angry at what Bush has done to the environment, and I want blood for this.

I am also aware too that in a government with checks and balances to power, the thing to look at is how well do I think the man coming in can get everyone on the same page and make things work. I am voting for Barack Obama because he is the new Great Communicator and he will definitely be a good remedy to gridlock.

I admire his consistency and skill he has shown to overcome overwhelming odds to sell himself to the American people.

He has passed the hiring interview with flying colors. More then anything I just flat acknowledge he has earned the right to be given this job.

The process of selecting candidates and electing a president is hardly a perfect one. But sometime in spite of itself, something good happens and a talented and immensely competent man succeeds in running the gauntlet, and that has happened this year, and his name is Barack Obama, Democratic Senator from Illinois, soon to be President Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   12:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

One little known aspect to this which has been under reported is the stated intent of the Obama Administration to go after Bush criminally,

yeah, that will happen. just like the bush admin was to go after clinton's. all will be swept under the rug. the mantra will be, as always, time to move on. they have the same masters. the democrats and the republicans are equal criminals and traitors against we the people. the plan is and always has been our enslavement for their enrichment and power. at the least, i would have thought that obama's selection of biden for his VP would have made it crystal clear that his claims for change are incredible.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-10-19   12:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: PeteCat (#0)

Neither Obama nor McCain are half as clever as either their biggest fans or harshest critics think they are. Obummer's not a diabolical genius who hypnotizes the masses, he's just another brand name product being sold through the media. He "controls people's minds" in the same way that ads for WalMart or Burger King control people's minds.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-10-19   12:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#24)

It sure would be pointless to run with that as a campaign pledge, as McCain would make hay with it.

Your concerns are noted, and this is why people must always realize that quite often the people must lead and make the leaders follow them.

I am convinced Obama will respond to an energetic campaign demanding justice. I am counting on it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   13:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

I am counting on it.

I can give ya 43 (presidential) reasons to quit counting !

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-19   13:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#24)

at the least, i would have thought that obama's selection of biden for his VP would have made it crystal clear that his claims for change are incredible.

Kosher denial bump

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-19   13:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

I am convinced Obama will respond to an energetic campaign demanding justice. I am counting on it.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-10-19   13:15:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

I have looked at both candidate's health plans, and though it still needs some work, I much prefer Obama's. I also appreciate his willingness to prevent the reemergence of the criminal Taliban regime in Afghanistan and to end the illegal war in Iraq started by Bush.

Exactly how much will Obama's health care plan cost the average American tax payer?

Same w/his environmental program.

Is he for a carbon tax?

Will this extend to individual citizens, or be left at the business level?

In either case, what will that cost, and how will it be implemented?

What has the Taliban done to us?

Why should Americans waste one dime, or one life changing the political landscape of Afghanistan?

Isn't this the Bush doctrine of preemption?

Please supply the referenced reasons for Obama's Afghanistan intervention.

As you know Obama never, ever stated all American troops are leaving Iraq, so how will this war end if we aren't leaving?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   13:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

One more question, Mike.

Do you personally believe some speech raises to the level of hate speech, if yes, can it, or should it, be elevated to the level of a crime?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   14:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

"Do you personally believe some speech raises to the level of hate speech, if yes, can it, or should it, be elevated to the level of a crime?"

Great Lt. Columbo routine, I am amused.

Some things people say are stupid and malicious to the extreme, but I support the First Amendment.

The First Amendment is absolutely beyond the reach of federal power to abridge; it says clearly; "Congress shall make no law..."

No federal agencies, including Congress and the Court, have power or authority to subordinate speech and press to what they think are more important interests.

Where free speech has been muzzled the muzzle needs to come off, I support the U.S. Constitution, not censorship the FCC and other agencies deal in.

The First Amendment works with personal responsibility for one's speech as the primary check making it work. For example, you should have the right to tell your boss he is an ignorant asshole and that you'd love to do his wife, but he should still have the right to fire you on the spot for it.

Now as far as racist speech goes, I do not support banning it as hate speech. The military and schools should have the right to restrict it in order to preserve the environment to accomplish what they are there to do.

But even then, if students wish to meet to belong to a Nationalist party club, or if soldiers on their own time associate to discuss racist material, this should be their right.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   19:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#32) (Edited)

Where free speech has been muzzled the muzzle needs to come off, I support the U.S. Constitution, not censorship the FCC and other agencies deal in.

So then you condemn the ADL and folks who 'monitor' hate speech forums. I recall you stating some time back that the ADLs work in this area (hate speech) was noble and you supported it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   19:32:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

More then anything I just flat acknowledge he has earned the right to be given this job.

More than anything he ain't earned the *right* (since when the fvck is a job a 'right'?) to "this job", or anything else. As a smokey voiced orator, he might be a contender for VO work in crime dramas and disaster films.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-10-19   19:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#30)

Mikey ping

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   19:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#24)

yeah, that will happen. just like the bush admin was to go after clinton's. all will be swept under the rug. the mantra will be, as always, time to move on. they have the same masters. the democrats and the republicans are equal criminals and traitors against we the people. the plan is and always has been our enslavement for their enrichment and power. at the least, i would have thought that obama's selection of biden for his VP would have made it crystal clear that his claims for change are incredible.

You know, there are those among us who can be beaten over and over with the obvious stick and none of it ever sinks in. Never.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-19   19:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

Well, you are mistaken, because my beliefs concerning the First Amendment are very old ones. I Was Hugo Black when my 400 level Political Science Supreme Court course at the University of Oregon did a mock-up of the court listing to arguments then working out and writing a Supreme Court decision.

I chose Hugo Black because he and William Orville Douglas' opinions on free speech are inspiring. I like allot about Hugo Black, but this one area of constitutional law he is largely the epicenter of what I believe free speech should be.

Interestingly enough, he did not consider say the burning of the flag to be free speech but conduct that the several states could regulate or ban.

I can see his point, but that is one area I might go even farther then Justice Black did to preserve free speech rights.

Now I don't know much at all about ADL monitoring of hate speech, but they should have the right to monitor it in open meetings where it is featured, but never should have standing to want to have it banned.

That would be unconstitutional, pure and simple.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   19:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: wudidiz (#7)

I was falling in love with Corn Flake Girl 'til I found out she was a dude.

That was weird.

BWAHAHAHA!!! Did you know that "Corn Flake" got $#it canned from LP for threatening the posters there with the secret service goons? Tickled me "BUT GOOD" as the Toddler would say.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-19   19:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

So you've never said the ADL does good work, or something to that effect. Gotcha.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   19:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Old Fud (#34)

"More than anything he ain't earned the *right* (since when the fvck is a job a 'right'?) to "this job", or anything else."

The standards are 270 electoral votes in a presidential election held every four years, and individuals are legally obliged the job twice for two terms if they can run the gauntlet and get elected.

Now what part of the obvious do you truly not understand here?


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   19:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

So then you condemn the ADL and folks who 'monitor' hate speech forums. I recall you stating some time back that the ADLs work in this area (hate speech) was noble and you supported it.

He even supports Secret Service goons "paying visits" to folks who don't worship his hero. Or so it appears.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-19   19:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: James Deffenbach (#38)

Show me a quote where the account 'Corn Flake Girl' stated that he was going to call the Secret Service?

I bet you can't. And I know why.

Nothing like that occurred. And honestly, I don't necessarily believe Murron intended to lie when she started her thread about the Secret Service, she just lacks the cognitive ability to analyze what is being said to her without short circuiting in her worst fears as she jumps to conclusions.

I don't care the account was close, I am not surprised at Murron's behavior, as I've known her online since at least 2002. She actually writes better with allot less mis-spelling and syntax errors.

I used to post here in Eugene with RaidedEyeBrows and she was always a source of high amusement for us.

I am glad she is doing well and glad she likes posting.

It would be nice to get her to admit what she already knows is true, that nobody threatened to call the Secret Service. And this is for her benefit, not mine. But don't think I am holding my breath for her to have a light bulb illuminate over hear noggin.

Thanks for an amusing post by the way. ;-D


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   20:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: James Deffenbach (#41)

"He even supports Secret Service goons "paying visits" to folks who don't worship his hero. Or so it appears."

I support the Secret Service doing their job, and one mission of this job is to protect people they are assigned to protect.

They are not there to deal with free speech, unless of course you were one to use free speech and personal expression as a defense in a counterfeiting situation.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   20:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

www.realjewnews.com/?p=304

real-debt-elimination

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-10-19   20:07:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: James Deffenbach (#41)

Just to let you know, this is also talked about on A K A Stone's forum, Libertysflame.com. Please, by all means, read the material posted by me as CFG on LP and LF and show me where I ever remotely indicated I was going to call the SS.

It never happened.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   20:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ferret Mike (#39)

ping to #30 and #39

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   20:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#44)

A lovely crew.....you know IATL, I'm not convinced the obamabots don't get this. I actually think they've willingly chosen to hop to the dark side. I have no respect for them.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   20:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: James Deffenbach, bluegrass (#41)

I'm thinking someone can come up with something. We need to know what we're dealing with.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   20:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#48)

We need to know what we're dealing with.

I can sorta understand young people--and when I say young I am talking about folks in the 18-22 or maybe 23 year old group--supporting Obama. It is hard to understand people who have been around for a while, if they have paid any attention at all, who say they support Obama. He is establishment whore through and through and I can't think why any sane person who has been around a while would ever vote for him. And the same goes for McCain.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-19   20:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: James Deffenbach (#49)

It is hard to understand people who have been around for a while, if they have paid any attention at all, who say they support Obama

Exactly. I'm talking about people w/access to the net, are capable of reading and research and have been doing what we do for a number of years. Nothing can explain their sudden bolt to the left, except for the color of the candidate. This guy is the most liberal (sorry if that term bothers people, but it still works for me) Senator in congress. Biden comes in third. Pure socialism and those who support him, enemies of freedom.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   21:23:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

"...those who support him, enemies of freedom."

So you want to criminalize supporting presidential candidates of choice?

Enemies of freedom, oh my, they must be imprisoned in right wing prison camps, perhaps even clandestine ones like they had in Argentina when the right was rampaging there.

Thematically you all sound like the mainland Chinese, "liberalism is mental illness," "enemies of freedom," what next? That liberals are building a wayback time machine to go back and kill Reagan as a baby?

You people are unraveling hemp rope and smoking it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   22:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

"Nothing can explain their sudden bolt to the left, except for the color of the candidate."

Han, that's just the shadow if your own racial bigotry scaring the common sense out of that brain housing group of yours'.

People who are drowning don't care what color the person throwing a life ring on a rope to them is. Same thing with Obama, he is the best man of the two to handle the presidency and people know this.

To many, the racial thing is old and doesn't play in their decision. To you definitely, but not to the vast majority of people voting Democrat this time around.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   22:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike (#40)

Now what part of the obvious do you truly not understand here?

I understand that he hasn't *earned* a goddamned thing. He will likely get the nod, but he nevertheless will not have earned the position. He is the greatest political fraud catapulted to the highest position of power in my lifetime.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-10-19   22:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: bluegrass (#1) (Edited)

Every "Great Leader" uses these techniques.

I have on very good authority that many political aspiriants use Hitlers videos to see how the master did it.

Notice the "baton blow" in many speech theatrics.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-10-19   22:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Ferret Mike (#12)

ou see, there is little reason at this point to believe he is not going to be the 44th President of the United States.

One bullet from a sole gunman.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-10-19   22:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ferret Mike (#52)

Ping to #30

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-19   22:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Ferret Mike, James Deffenbach (#38)

Did you know that "Corn Flake" got $#it canned from LP for threatening the posters there with the secret service goons?

You got banned?


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2008-10-19   23:18:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: wudidiz (#57)

Yep. Murron started a thread claiming falsely I called the Secret Service, but I don't care as I was actually unfairly banned a long time ago there when I was there as 'Ferret.' Unless I get an account that is me unlocked, retread accounts are nothing special.

It was interesting talking to you over there. That has become a viciously fascist forum. You need to take a shower after visiting the joint anyway. ;-)


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-19   23:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: wudidiz (#57)

Yeah, "she" did.

98. To: Corn Flake Girl (#90)

Posted here:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=241893&Disp=57#C57

I've read through your comments made recently on multiple threads, and I find a shocking theme.

You are attempting to intimidate other LP members from speaking freely on this site, by invoking various law enforcement agencies in a manner that is akin to KGB operatives controlling the proletariat!!

ANY attempt for censorship of any kind, including intimidation or veiled threats is anethema to Liberty Post and its entire purpose; it flies in the face of the First Amendment.

It is 100% NOT acceptable here.

Please take your educated, opinionated, and intimidating remarks over to a site that encourages that behavior. It is clear that you do not visit here to participate in the liberty of free and unfettered speech.

I have terminated your account.

Goldi-Lox posted on 2008-10-16 17:53:26 ET Reply Trace

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-19   23:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: tom007 (#55)

Careful, he will call the SS goons on you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-19   23:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

Pure socialism and those who support him, enemies of freedom.

Exactly. I feel sorry for the younger people who have been suckered by this con man but not for people who are old enough to know better. I think they deserve what they will get with Obama but the sad thing is that those who don't deserve it will get it too.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-19   23:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Jethro Tull, Ferret Mike (#39)

So you've never said the ADL does good work, or something to that effect.

Incorrect. Mike said it on June 5, 2006:

"As far as the ADL goes, I support Good work they have done just as I support Israel's right to exist." - Ferret Mike

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   3:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

I also appreciate his willingness to prevent the reemergence of the criminal Taliban regime in Afghanistan

Obama doesn't seem too interested in stopping the criminal regime in America.

Fuck the Taliban. They can run all of Afghanistan for all I care. When will Obama be as forceful about the Banking elite that rules Washington with more of an iron hand than the Taliban rules Kabul?

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   3:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: tom007 (#54)

I have on very good authority that many political aspiriants use Hitlers videos to see how the master did it.

I don't doubt it. Obama strikes me as dictator/stooge material.

Notice the "baton blow" in many speech theatrics.

Is that the forefinger/thumb move?

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   3:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, christine, wudidiz (#59)

"ANY attempt for censorship of any kind..."

Moldi-Lox

Now that's funny.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   3:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: bluegrass (#65)

theory:

in the interest of our fragile peace of mind, we should reject obama and go for the confirmed neocon.

once we've given the neocons enough rope, we wont have any qualms about hanging them.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   4:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Turtle, Ferret Mike (#20)

If he was white, he would be ignored as utterly unqualified.

Utterly correct.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   5:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: bluegrass, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, christine, Ferret Mike (#65)

"ANY attempt for censorship of any kind..."

Moldi-Lox

Now that's funny.

Exackattackly.


"It is like a trance. So what can break a trance? The only thing that can break the trance is the light of truth."
~ Canadian Philosopher John McMurtry as he comments on the psychological warfare that has afflicted us all

wudidiz  posted on  2008-10-20   5:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: bluegrass (#67) (Edited)

If he was white, he would be ignored as utterly unqualified.

Utterly correct.

palin, however, is qualified.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   5:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Ferret Mike (#58) (Edited)

This post to you may not be appropriate for this thread ... but here goes.

I was thinking that Obama's election will most likely bring every ugly component of American society to a head like a boil. Man, I am honestly concerned that it could get very, very nasty in the days to come.

I don't see a way to avoid it either.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   5:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: bluegrass (#63)

Fuck the Taliban.

No, Fuck the so-called U.S. authorities. It's time for men to get off of their collective asses and do something to thwart the banking terrorists !

Our day has come !

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   5:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: noone222 (#70) (Edited)

Obama's election will most likely bring every ugly component of American society to a head like a boil.

uh huh.

so it's a win/win situation for racists who oppose obama.

they can disguise their racism with mealy-mouthed concerns about racism in america.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   5:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: bluegrass (#67)

Results 1 - 10 of about 572,000 for palin kristol.

*yawn*

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   5:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: wadosy (#72)

so it's a win/win situation for racists who oppose obama.

they can disguise their racism with mealy-mouthed concerns about racism in america.

I see it as a lose/lose condition. Racism is the violin being manipulated by the PTB and the tune is chaos.

It's easy enough to determine that separatism is portrayed as supremicist behavior when it's actually nothing more than a normal/natural preference for ones own race.

That's not to say there aren't those willing to abuse any and all issues to create havoc in America. Those most often guilty of racist policies are the government that claims to be doing the opposite.

The country is in grave danger because the situation is becoming so susceptible to manipulation and the people easily herded into antagonistic blocks.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   5:51:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: noone222 (#74)

That's not to say there aren't those willing to abuse any and all issues to create havoc in America.

...which probably explains why haim saban, an israeli american supporter of hillary, recently bought the biggest spanish-speaking TV network in america.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: wadosy (#75)

which probably explains why haim saban, an israeli american supporter of hillary, recently bought the biggest spanish-speaking TV network in america.

I was unaware of this isolated incident, but fully aware of the capability the moneychangers have to buy everything for nothing since they issue the currency out of thin air.

Lead poisoning appears to be the only deterrent remaining.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   6:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: noone222 (#76)

I was unaware of this isolated incident

ah.

that's cool.

ignorance is an excuse.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: noone222 (#76)

Among the Spanish-language networks, Univision averaged 3 million viewers in prime time, Telemundo had 820,000 and TeleFutura had 490,000.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: wadosy (#77)

ignorance is an excuse.

I'm wasn't making any excuses. What's your point ?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   6:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: wadosy (#78)

Spanish language television should be outlawed, period.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   6:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: noone222 (#76) (Edited)

haim saban quote: "i'm a one issue guy, and that issue is israel."

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: noone222 (#80)

is a pattern emerging here?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: wadosy (#81)

i'm a one issue guy

I find that the most dedicated researchers generally conclude that what we have accepted to be "Israel" is nothing resembling Biblical Israelites but something more aptly desribed as the "ABOMINATION of DESOLATION" that sitteth where it ought not.

The people we call Jews today are one faction of a larger grouping owing its origin to Babylon, where the MYSTERY OF INIQUITY also finds its beginnings.

Don't get me wrong ... Jews have a distinctive and disproportionate amount of direct participation in the destruction of everything decent on this planet ... my point is that they have a lot of help.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   6:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: wadosy (#82)

Spanish language TV has its place in Spanish speaking countries ... not here.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   6:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: noone222 (#83) (Edited)

how does israeli control of media play into your theory that america will be destroyed by race wars?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: wadosy (#85)

how does israel control of media play into your theory that america will be destroyed by race wars?

My theory might include race wars but isn't limited to that idea. I think every issue that can be employed to disrupt and destroy America as we have been instructed to think it exists (free-republican-constitutional based-etc.,) will be used. The race thing, economics, wars, food shortages etc., everything that can be used to destroy the family unit and the country itself is coming our way.

I think Obama is being set-up as is America. Should Obama's administration fall out of grace with the public it would be easy to manipulate the circumstances to cause a civil disruption such as has never been seen here before including the civil rights events of the 60's. And I want to say this could occur through no fault of Obama's.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   6:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: noone222 (#86)

this could occur through no fault of Obama's.

oh.

you are absolving obama of blame before he's elected.

that's nice.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: noone222 (#86)

in the meantime, why are you so reluctant to blame the people who are to blame?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: wadosy (#87)

this could occur through no fault of Obama's

Could being the operative word ... anything else would be pre-judging.

Let's try to discuss the subjects at hand honestly without putting words in each other's mouth ... OK ?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   6:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: noone222 (#89)

why are you so reluctant to blame neocons who said they needed "a new pearl harbor" a year before the new pearl harbor happened?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   6:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: wadosy (#88)

in the meantime, why are you so reluctant to blame the people who are to blame?

I don't think you'll be able to find this allegation supported by anything I've stated. You appear to make unfounded arguments in a wholesale manner simply to attach your narrow-view of geo-political activity, wanting to blame the Jews alone for all of it.

I certainly admit that Jews are disproportionately involved but they aren't operating alone.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   6:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: noone222 (#91) (Edited)

so PNAC, a spinoff of the AEI, didnt admit they needed "a new pearl harbor" in september of 2000?

the recount of the election in florida, governed by a PNAC member and brother of the installed president, didnt place the neocons in position to implement the neocon plan?

you dispute the fact that israelis have been agitating for decades to remodel the middle east to israeli spec?

you dispute the fact that oil production has been flat for the last four years, and that israel must be secured before israel's proxy american armies run out of gas?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   7:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: wadosy (#92)

(1).so PNAC, a spinoff of the AEI, didnt admit they needed "a new pearl harbor" in september of 2000?

(1). All Jews ??? Nope.

(2). the recount of the election in florida, governed by a PNAC member and brother of the installed president, didnt place the neocons in position to implement the neocon plan?

(2). All Jews ???

(3). you dispute the fact that israelis have been agitating for decades to remodel the middle east to israel spec?

(3). You obviously just arrived here at 4UM, otherwise you would know just how stupid your statement appears.

(4). you dispute the fact that oil production has been flat for the last four years, and that israel must be secured before israel's proxy american armies run out of gas?

(4). I don't think I've addressed this particular issue at all with respect to oil production. I have written ad nauseum about the illegitimacy and fraud of the State of Israel's existence.

I think you like to argue for the sake of arguing. This isn't unusual on blogs, but I have a hard time playing.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   7:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: noone222 (#93)

All Jews ???

poor baby.

you have to resort to abe's tactics.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   7:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: wadosy (#94)

noone222: All Jews ???

wadosy: poor baby.

you have to resort to abe's tactics.

Your debate skills and ignorant statements leave you vulnerable to attack as a dimwit.

I'd appreciate a more capable opponent.

Next !

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   7:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: noone222 (#95)

dimwit

i spose readers will wonder why you have to resort to namecalling.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   7:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: bluegrass (#67)

Old Friend  posted on  2008-10-20   7:37:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Old Friend (#97) (Edited)

not to make a big production of it, or anything...

but i wonder what financial system lately killed maybe a million people...

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   7:40:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: wadosy (#96)

noone222: dimwit

wadosy: i spose readers will wonder why you have to resort to namecalling.

Just the newer members. The rest wouldn't have any need for me to inform them that your posts indicate that you're a dimwit, it's obvious.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   7:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: noone222 (#99)

naw.

it's obvious to everyone that you're out of ammo.

but that's just how it is.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   7:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: wadosy (#100)

it's obvious to everyone that you're out of ammo

Don't count on that ... but if you want to make claims without facts supporting the claims ... you're fuckin with the wrong guy.

And when you make the most ludicrous claims (like I support Jews) without supporting those claims with evidence ... I'll beat your ignorant ass into submission like the mental piss ant you so proudly portray yourself to be.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   7:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: noone222 (#101) (Edited)

you are frothing.

you dont want to acknowledge the fact that an israeli american runs the biggest spanish-speaking TV network in america.

you dont want to acknowledge that the rest of american media is controlled by zionist jews.

you dont want to acknowledge that there's evidence that zionist jews have been planning to remodel the middle east for decades.

you dont want to acknowledge that zionist jews wanted "a new pearl harbor" before they were installed into positions from which they could make their new pearl harbor happen.

.

there seems to be a disconnect between your perception of reality and reality, which isnt all that surprising, given the neocons' conviction that "we're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   8:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: noone222 (#101)

mostly, you dont want to acknowledge that the biggest faultline in american racial relations is between mexicans and blacks.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   8:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: wadosy (#102)

you are frothing.

I don't froth.

The balance of your post self incriminates you for the moron you are ... I'll let someone else tell you that in approx. 5 years that I have posted on this forum I've never uttered a word in support of the State of Israel or zionism. Quite the opposite is true.

What planet do idiots like you come from ... UR-Anus ?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   8:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: wadosy (#103)

mostly, you dont want to acknowledge that the biggest faultline in american racial relations is between mexicans and blacks.

The real faultline existing in America is the chasm between intellect and those like yourself that are monumentally challenged in that respect, which is what causes your myopic vision.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   8:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: noone222 (#104)

moron you are

if you didnt froth, you wouldnt have to resort to namecalling.

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   8:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: wadosy (#106)

if you didnt froth, you wouldnt have to resort to namecalling.

You appear to be hopelessly lost inside of your own empty head. Please get GPS and return to earth ASAP !

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is in prison.

Henry David Thoreau

noone222  posted on  2008-10-20   8:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: bluegrass, Ferret Mike (#62)

"As far as the ADL goes, I support Good work they have done just as I support Israel's right to exist." - Ferret Mike

Thank you bluegrass. In the past I dismissed FM as a wacky tree climbed, but with this information on the ADL, and his manic glee at a looming Black socialist president, I see him as the POS he really is. If he thinks the ADL does good work, he's on the wrong side of the coming fight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-20   8:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: bluegrass (#65)

Now that's funny.

Yeah, but "Corn Flake" threatening the posters with the goons from the Secret Service wasn't all that funny. Anyone who does that should be banned from the internet.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-20   9:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: James Deffenbach (#109)

Yeah, but "Corn Flake" threatening the posters with the goons from the Secret Service wasn't all that funny. Anyone who does that should be banned from the internet.

Do you have a link to that comment by McCarthy, James?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-20   9:15:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Jethro Tull (#110)

Do you have a link to that comment by McCarthy, James?

If it is still up I think I can get it for you. Might take a little time to find it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-20   9:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Jethro Tull (#110)

144. To: Murron (#142)

Murron: "Anyone, and I don't give a damn who they are, where they come from, who the hell they think they are, they had better know that if they intimidate any American, make public statements that they are "above the law", especially when reffering to our election process, they will be met with resistence."

Corn Flake Girl: And the Secret Service is in the modus to investigate the remotest possibility of a threat environment endangering someone on their 'A' list of whom they look out for. (There was no threat--James)

They will make sure that the candidate in question is safe in a very objective, thorough and dispassionate manner.

Murron: "The rope is just a reminder that there are still enough Patriotic Americans left who remember what we once did to traitors and tryrants."

C F G: The rope has been used to kill so many black men by lawless mobs, to use it in the context you do is inflammatory at best and thoroughly tasteless.

It is also in the purview of the Secret Service to investigate any associations of violent intent toward high profile Government officials, especially if they are a presidential candidate. Your picture is ill advised, and can cause you much grief.

Corn Flake Girl posted on 2008-10-15 15:05:04 ET Reply Trace

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=242006&Disp=158#C142


And it is my understanding that that wasn't the first hint that the Obama worshipper might resort to siccin' the goons on someone that he thought was not as respectful toward his lord and master as he would like. As far as I'm concerned, neither Obama nor anyone else running for president, or whoever happens to be president, is any better than the peons almost all of them look down on and laugh at for supporting them.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-20   9:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: James Deffenbach (#112)

Thank you very much. The jury is in on McCarthy, a/k/a CC. His intent was to chill free speech with the threat of government power. He's a flat out socialist.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-20   9:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Jethro Tull (#113)

Thank you very much. The jury is in on McCarthy, a/k/a CC. His intent was to chill free speech with the threat of government power. He's a flat out socialist.

You're welcome. And yes, from reading his posts--back when I used to read them that is--I came to that conclusion some time ago.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-10-20   9:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: bluegrass (#64)

Is that the forefinger/thumb move?

No. It is a slow motion forearm swing with clenched fist just as if the speaker were beating the audience. Done to provide emphasis on some point, usually an emotive non-statement.

Vision Hillary saying "We have got to protect the little children." while swing her forearm down upon the crowd.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-10-20   13:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: PeteCat (#0)

He's either developed or always had a greater degree of charisma than most people. I experienced it first-hand when I met former House Speaker Jim Wright a few years after he left Congress: I totally despised the man but felt a great sense of kinship when he walked up to me and shook my hand and we exchanged a few words at the event we were at. I felt so used afterwards, it was eery....

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-10-20   14:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: tom007 (#115)

Ah. I know that move. Thanks for the clarification.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   16:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Jethro Tull, Ferret Mike (#108)

He has yet to describe what he thinks the ADL's "good works" are.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   16:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: James Deffenbach (#109)

To be honest, I missed the whole Corn Flake debacle. It sounds like the usual dirty tricks by some self-styled political operative from what I can gather.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   16:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Old Friend (#97)

Completely unnecessary. Obama's lack of experience in the real world is enough to keep me from backing him.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   16:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: bluegrass (#120)

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   16:51:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: wadosy (#121)

Rivero is pushing for Obama. It's a goddam shame.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   16:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: bluegrass (#122)

who are you pushing for?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   17:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: bluegrass (#122)

...but i guess the real question is this: why bother pushing anybody?

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   17:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

I have deep confidence he will be at worst a very good president.

No troubling thoughts then with a Powell endorsement?

angle  posted on  2008-10-20   17:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: bluegrass (#118)

And of course that crap falls under the auspices of conversation and posts right at the start of my time here at 4UM. I am going to always take references to it as harassment and not react to it. And that's just a word to the wise. I'm just going to scroll by references to it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-20   17:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: angle (#125)

"No troubling thoughts then with a Powell endorsement?"

Of course not.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-10-20   17:11:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#126)

You either have the same opinion of the ADL since then or it's changed. Which is it?

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   17:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: angle, Ferret Mike (#125)

A war criminal endorses St. Obama and the True Believers have no problems with it.

Classic.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   17:13:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: bluegrass (#129)

your hero

wadosy  posted on  2008-10-20   17:19:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: wadosy (#130)

LOL! My zero.

Ahmadinejad in 2008!
Everyone agrees that unanimity is hard to find.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-10-20   17:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: bluegrass, Ferret Mike, Obama socialists (#129)

While success against the armed enemy was rare, Powell’s ARVN unit punished the civilian population systematically. As the soldiers marched through mountainous jungle, they destroyed the food and the homes of the region’s Montagnards, who were suspected of sympathizing with the Viet Cong. Old women would cry hysterically as their ancestral homes and worldly possessions were consumed by fire. “We burned down the thatched huts, starting the blaze with Ronson and Zippo lighters,” Powell recalled. “Why were we torching houses and destroying crops? Ho Chi Minh had said the people were like the sea in which his guerrillas swam. ... “We tried to solve the problem by making the whole sea uninhabitable. In the hard logic of war, what difference did it make if you shot your enemy or starved him to death?” For nearly six months, Powell and his ARVN unit slogged through the jungles, searching for Viet Cong and destroying villages

Here

This is the black war pig McCarthy is orgasmic for.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-10-20   17:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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